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ha baron, welcome to the program. i'm dick clock. so junior, he is president chi said is under fire once again after he made comments about african migrants. he said there's a plot to replace. chin is his arab and islamic identity by bringing people from other countries in the region. many have strongly condemned the comments as racist and xenophobic hundreds of people protested in the capital tunas to denounce discrimination and express solidarity with migrants. opponent say the comments are a distraction from a worsening economy and growing government crackdown a gates critics. the african union says the president statement amounts to racialize hate speech. thousands of african migrants travel through tennessee on their way to attempt the dangerous crossing to europe. did you school the in luck,

the hate speech, the call to violence, the call to hatred against our sub saharan brothers and sisters does not represent to nicea does not represent tennesseans. it's a shame, it's true that we all have suffered, but we will not give up. we will go all the way to rebuild tennessee as reputation a tin is yet known as a welcoming land and not a racist one. i told them clearly that if we have castrated their voices, there are a 1000 voices that rise to demand rights. but the human to day i came to the demonstration to say no to racism and fascism. and to say that to nicea is an african country in land and that all africans are welcome. while the president made the controversial remarks on thursday, his some of what he had to say. and the doors are you looking for all leaders at every level? look after our brothers from sub saharan africa, who are in a legal situation. lumniss maha. this is a matter of state, it must take its responsibility. there is no question of allowing anyone in any

illegal situation to stay in tunisia that is a state and the institutions i've done another year. it is, if i prefered with the objective of changing the demographic make up of twenty's yet, by the end of this year, the un high commissioner for refugees estimates nearly half a 1000000 asylum seekers will pass 3 north africa morocco, algeria, to nicea, and libya are the preferred routes for human trafficking networks to get people towards europe, thousands of believe to have died and the dangerous crossing of the mediterranean sea to discourage this morocco has become the 1st country in the region to give legal status and benefits to migrants. ah. all right, let's bring in our guest since stroudsburg, we have a mean it's new. see his search in his ear and north african specialist. and we're about to suffer cas roy who's chief of staff at the americo world news world. welcome to both of you to the program at, sorry, if i could start with you. so,

i'm just curious when the president says this is all a conspiracy, and the goal is to change the, the demographic make opportunity. whose goal is he saying that is exactly. i think you style seaman that came from the president of tenicia, who's the head of states of an african country, brought up the urgency or how it's urgent to tackle irregular migration as a humanitarian and not a political issue. the racist comments prompted. backlash across the world, particularly africa, even in denisia. a lot of people into media reacted through. he's hey paul, he just mentioned that there were process there to condemn. he is hateful statements and people a protestant there to answer your question. north africa is part of africa. we have divers mixed marriages roots in colors that make our identity. africa is our

identity. it's also part of morocco's constitution. exactly, but it's a who do you think he is referring to me? who is, he's saying is behind this as he present conspiracy? i, if i think, i mean he's statements were really vague, but i think what he's meant, he meant, he's a target in sub saharan migrants. he's targeting people who are making, you know, our identity that are part of our identity. i mean, what do you think you'd call that a criminal arrangement made since the beginning of the century to alter the demographic structure of june is yet said, what's his tactic here? do you think, well, it was the same tactic as he always, you know, just like we've heard now. it's vague statements, always accusing people plotting against the state against chinese. yeah. always accusing people of conspiracy without naming anything. so really did that. they did that with his political opponents by the could the post decreasing them for

plotting against the page without saying, what's the plot or what's the conspiracy without proofing? proving if that's true or not. they said that about shortages and food shortages for food shortages. and he said that there was a conspiracy among business business, men's and women's engineers that are plotting against against the states. so really, he's been doing and the building conspiracy theories for the last 2 years. so this come, does not come as a, as a shocking statement. when you know i side project, he always just defy his act by fighting against a dog conspiracy. without naming behind it, he says there are parties, he received huge sums of money after 2011, to settle irregular migrants into new year. again. who does he mean? are they just making it up?

well, he's his, if you, if you ask me, i think he's making it up. but, but i think accusing all political parties because science project is to build a political system without political party. that's why he got rid of the parliament . that's why he got treated the old constitution. his main project is to build an individual system based on himself, so he can not have political party being popular engineers in need to destroy the reputation. and that's what he's doing by accusing them of being involved in human trafficking or this or this issue. so it's really the same strategy he's been using since his coo, in 2021. so what, what do you think suffer within that? you knew about how people perceive this, and let's start with those who support president said in the 1st place. would they be some of those be surprised by what he said here?

absolutely. like the he's statements like we did controversy, not only indonesia, as i said, everyone like was shocked of what he said. i think i agree with. i mean with what he said regarding his policy. he's, i mean, ruined in tunisia, his ruin and everything was that was built to help reform in the country to go out from the crisis in conflict that created division among tunisians themselves . and the evidence of the least intention between tunisia and rocco, he so how he, i mean we're, we're, we called him bassinger from tunisia in response to the technician. rather than toasting the police that he will be there brought him i think he's just like, acting from out of the blue like to the introduce policy that is acting against

denisia developments because he does have a lot of support into that is a fact that they're all those you have been campaigning recent weeks from the authorities to spell and documented migrants from the countries. so what i'm ask is it's those sort of steadfast supporters. do they still really filled stand by him? absolutely not. i'm sure that there are against what he said, and i mean, whatever you go there are people that support, you know, their head of states and those that are against. but i, i, i have a strong belief that those people who are supporting him would disagree 100 percent . but what he said, we are in africa and it's part of our identity. and i don't see any body like thinking to agree with hostile statement and hateful statement and remark, full of patrons and what's inside hatred actually among our society. i mean, would you agree with that? because to disagree with the president would give power to the opposition?

goodness spent it as it is. i think, i think we need to establish how popular science we've seen to in the last election that has still a page of people that support him. but the majority of teaching people did not go to vote. so they are not approving this political project that kind of building. so when it comes to that, i think that his fully support comes from a group of people that have been campaigning for his election in 2019, etc, etc. and that are approving his project, those specific people i think are supporting what they're doing right now because they, he gave them as a proper stick and switch to a complex problem. you made soups to hire and bigger in the scapegoats for the economical issues in geneva. so right now what you're having issues multiple actual

violence against, oops, are in mid grants. we've seen it yet through day in the city of facts where they've tried to the people tried to physically abuse to hire in the family. we've seen it 2 days ago in the city of suca where they tried to burn down. houses were soups, to hire me grants, who were living. so really we are seeing active violence against me going into media because people desperate people believing that those me grants are responsible for the economic issues. and that's what i made them believe. so really i think that there is a group of people into the up he's strong support that can believe anything that tells them because he built all the political system around him and is not only he's, not only there were their political choice, he's their only choice right now they can not,

they cannot think of anything else besides fights projects, but for the opposition and for the, the people that left valued after his multiple abuses of power after the cool. this is, this is a strong this is a strong disbelief for them. they did not expect side to be this, this filled with hatred with, with politic words against against people. so. so we're the, i think you still have a strong base. but i think most of the people that believed in him are now filled with disappointment. if you do think this tactic, i mean will work this effort to create the smoke screen around the problems that the political problems, economic problems, that food supply issues and several it could ruin it until when i mean people will, will, people will realize that that economy coal policies are simply not

working, i was complaining of them. he cannot, we cannot get to deal with him if he cannot get for an aide that he cannot build economy, economy, core programs that, that reduce inequality that creates more a move companies, etc, etc. it did not present to really any economical project that could to help people . so really, i think it's cool work for the time, just as is old, back to work through time, the parliament, the justice, etc. it was all for a few months. and then you find a new scape goat, but will you blame next will be the next victim. that's the the, the main question and he said the question really suffer. the african union has expressed shock and deep concern. should they, could they do more? i think yes,

i think rather than just condemned him because i mean even not like let's talk about not only the, the a you but also that you, you and like you have being like condemned in similar acts, similar actions like repeatedly adopt in that is illusion. to condemn this income, them that but are we seeing any changes really? i don't think so. a lot of challenges are still hampering. are you know, or, or affecting my grants across the world across the continent. so i'm not really see in like any changes like helping to overcome such challenges. if you take into account the situation and you and the european union or europe be in countries, there are a lot of defections and a lot of loopholes and a lot of issues target in my grade book are they sold? we only see like resolution adopted and, you know, of that are condemned in african countries world for full for not be when enough to

tackle the situation. but are they doing anything to tackle the situation? i only see was solutions and you know, targeting some countries in africa, but whether the giant economies and you are do with or shoulder and their responsibilities and that issue, i don't see any action. let's take into account the wrong. as if situation in france, i see local official repeatedly target in my grants, from rock, from area, from and from across the region or from across africa regions. but are they held accountable? are there any actions taken against those officials? the are true when doug statements about again, african migrants. there was a local official in montpelier. i think frank, we were recently said harkins and africans are not welcomed and,

and the european or in france are the frank take any legal action against what he said. i don't think so. no, i think yes, there are still some some i mean a lot to do in order to tackle the situation of my friends across the world. and of course, i mean, you could indeed all you, that is more of a european union problem than the african problem. yeah. i mean, carol. yeah, i was, i was, i was actually questioning. why do we, why do we give responsibility through the, my group countries in the north african countries to tackle this situation? i mean, we are not supposed to be the pull the, the police for the repeat union. they need to handle the migration at the end, held accountable once there is the abuse,

i don't like when the countries gets involved in, in north african countries to, to, to, to, to, to deal with migration issues. i mean, since i've inside position to begin intermediate we have, we have, we have, we've been working with friends to expel people, changing people from friends, people who never lived in chinese. just we're just, we're, we're there for 20 or 30 years and they've been, they've been expelled, feel free from friends after one minor one minor infraction or, or because their, their visa permit expired to catch up before that we used to always or she was, we used to always give those people the chance to get back into get back into the into, in a legal situation, etc, etc. now we're just dealing with the, with the friends and the migration policy,

we are doing it for them and suffers it. let's get down to the nitty gritty that the migrant story if you like. so you have the migrants coming from these countries . they end up in north africa and they bid to get to the, you know, the streets pay with golden europe as they may think. they are and then what happens, why are they trapped? if i can, if i may only like add up to what i mean is saying, for instance, just recently in 2021, france decided to slash the number of visas to moroccan in oregon. and also the chinese in migrants, there was no, no condemnation about this from the you itself. i mean there was no actual theme and frank claimed that it solve this issue. what did did it do it because i, i so report as a journalist, i still write about this continuously writing about how americans are frustrated

about like how they are applications get denied without any specific justification . false claims that i solve the issue and the counselor services were restored, fully restored, which are still claim. alright, and suffers on the other hand, morocco itself has become the 1st country in the region to give legal status and benefits to migrants. how is that working? ok, so this is part of morocco's migrate jury policy. that's a king, 106 launched in 2013. and this enabled the operating of moroccan office for silent and civil persons and this gave migrant children access to public education as well as the integration of going into morocco society. maroka is one of the 1st african to have such a migration policy. and that goes beyond that, we go or live in the status of migrant. i think the number of migrants,

you know, benefited from this policy goes beyond the 50000 mark and as part of to campaigns that were launched under the moroccan migrate migration. and then when they had a granted this, do they settle a given opportunities for work and so forth? how would they assimilated in the community? absolutely, they get residential permit that would allow them to get access to education, health care and also have the right to apply for job in addition to that morocco also grants 1000 scholarships. we have like 12000, i think a students of studying enrol or include in sit in sub saharan africa and eventually they get job opportunities either here or when they are back to their whole countries. in addition to that, we all of so, or we all witness morocco's initiative and commitment towards the african

developments and the best evidence to prove that is a more awkward contribution to food security in the continent. the country donated thousands of fertilizers to a several small hold their farmers across the continent. so i think the country is doing a great job. of course, just still some challenges that morocco should take into account, including communication. but i think we're doing so far. so good, right, and i mean, that differs massively from how migrants received. and soon as he had tell us a little bit about that, what did life of migrants in their families who went to the country? yeah, just to react to what i said about about the, the french polity. when it comes to visa, it was a part of an international negotiation between friends and the my group of friends

wanted to expel the citizens from migrate citizens in friends that were not legal anymore. and for the last 10 years, my roku, while julia and junior always refused to me just accepted 2 years ago. and that's what made the french, i mean to say that you need yeah. the good students of the, my group, when it comes to, when it comes to migration policies, because we accept that french expelled people that are living there, that build their families that have families there cetera, et cetera. so really, well, all, all migration policy is, is badly thing to not think in human human, italian way. it's picked in terms of politics. how can we benefit from it? and now the situation is absolutely horrifying from migrants. i've been saying that the word going to need to be either black, either an opponent of ty, it then,

god forbid you're both. and really, they're always there is they always there always generate to the mention is of course, the reason everywhere. but now since the sides communication, it has become difficult for them to go to the doctor. i mean, the medicine university had to put out a statement to, to, to tell the doctors you are supposed to treat everyone equally. and there is even difficult to get them to private, private transportation, because we've seen pictures yet to day of private, private transport thing. they will not welcome any and yet, as we can, negro and we are african. and they, they just, they just seem to forget that he suffer migrants across the country to just on your head. one comment to react to. i mean, what i mean said, i think like the statement you said, you mentioned about like morocco,

algeria and i mean, i'll talk about morocco specifically since it's part of my, my, my expertise, this what you said, it's part of tenicia and what's, what from said. it's a version of the french government, claiming that morocco refuse to, to get back. it's the migrants who are residing in front, irregularly bucks a morocco. like, has been the renewal and its commitment towards bringing them back, migrants who are like, residing in france, a girl irregularly. but of course this will take a lot of process, a lot of security back check, and a lot of things. it's not just as easy as that, not like as easy as it seems. and of course, i mean france didn't justify its decision. they just like how i mean, how it,

how was visa related to not more or not being able to, to treat or the poor bring back. it's a regular migrants in france. i don't be like there is a connection between this because those who are, you know, applying for visa are applying legally through legal. i'm going to jumping them because we're just running out of time. i mean, i just want to come to you on the this idea that the micro cross constant facing so much hostility that many calling it's kind of no borders policy that nobody know african should be regarded as a foreigner anywhere on the continent. is that a possibility? is that a good idea? i love that. so i agree with that. i think that borders are just human, construct a political construction that nobody will see will mean that we will have a mixed country where the risk of going to phobia will be it will be

lower and would be would be would be impossible really. so i think that's, that's the thing that we could, we could, we could get something from europe on that end and try to build an african country without butchers without need for permits or we suffered. can it work like a large part of your absolutely, absolutely. i definitely agree with that. i would see i would love to see some initiatives that would allow africans to move freely. and again i'll, we need to tackle this as a humanitarian issue and not a political issue. and mean, finally to you, we've seen all too clearly the tragedy of migration, even today, this shit rec vessel in italy, doesn't that ultimately? where is the solution? is a solution where they end up all or where they're trying to get to where they're coming from. i think we could learn that finger to from morocco. i think we could,

we could welcome people. that's our, that's our, that's our, your internet. yeah. and that are searching for a better life and because offer them as much for life we have we have been trying to attract migration to private universities and to and to live in 20 years. now there was a policy really to, to bring african subsided in african people through to private university. and i think that we could, we could benefit from that. we could benefit really from giving work permits and jobs true to the people that are here. and i think that the hope that they are the hopes of a better life. they're expecting from europe. we could offer them new. yep. a challenging, ongoing problem. we run out of time. appreciate your thoughts, your perspective. thanks very much indeed. thanks. so i guess,

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