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alabama and welcome to the program. i'm nick clock. so juniors is president chi said is under fire once again after he made comments about african migrants. he said there's a plot to replace. chin is his arab and islamic identity by bringing people from other countries in the region. many have strongly condemned the comments as racist and xenophobic hundreds of people protested in the capital tunis to denounce discrimination and express solidarity with migrants. opponent say, the comments are a distraction from a worsening economy and growing government crackdown against critics. the african union says the president statement amounts to racialize hate speech. thousands of african migrants travel through tennessee on their way to attempt dangerous crossing to europe. did you school the in luck, the hate speech,

the call to violence, the call to hatred against our sub saharan brothers and sisters does not represent to messiah does not represent tennesseans. it's a shame, it's true that we all have suffered, but we will not give up. we will go all the way to rebuild tin is yours reputation . a tin is yet known as a welcoming land and not a racist one. here. i told them clearly that if we have castrated their voices, there are a 1000 voices that rise to demand rights. but the new melinda to day i came to the demonstration to say no to racism and fascism. and to say that to nicea is an african country in land and that all africans are welcome. while the president made the controversial remarks on thursday, his some of what he had to say on the darcy look good for all leaders at every level. look after our brothers from sub saharan africa, who are in a legal situation. lemme, this is a matter of state. it must take its responsibility. there is no question of

allowing anyone in any illegal situation to state in tunisia that is a state and institutions a month of the year. it is. if i prefered with the objective of changing the demographic make up of twenties, yet by the end of this year, the un high commissioner for refugees estimates nearly half a 1000000. and simon seek as well passed through north africa, morocco, algeria, to nicea, and libya are the preferred routes for human trafficking networks to get people towards europe. thousands of believe to have died and the dangerous crossing of the mediterranean sea to discourage this morocco has become the 1st country in the region to give legal status and benefits to migrants. ah, all right, let's bring in our guest. since strasburg, we have, i mean it's new, see his church in his ear and north african specialist. and we're about to suffolk cast rai, who's chief of staff at the americo world news war. welcome to both of you to the

program at sat for if i could start with you. so, i'm just curious when the president says this is all a conspiracy, and the goal is to change the, the demographic make opportunity. whose goal is he saying that is exactly. i think you style statement that came from the president of tunisia, who's the head of states of an african country, brought up the urgency or how it's urgent to tackle irregular migration as a humanitarian and not a political issue. the racist comments prompted backlash across the world, particularly africa, even in to nisha. a lot of people into media reacted to he's hey paul, he just mentioned that there were process there to condemn. he is hateful statements and people a protestant there to answer your question. north africa is part of africa. we have divers mixed marriages, routing, callers that make our identity. africa is our identity. it's also part of morocco's

constitution. exactly, but it's a who do you think he is referring to? who is, he's saying is behind this, as he puts a conspiracy? i asked, i think, i mean, he's statements were really vague, but i think what he's meant, he meant he's a target in the heart and migrant. he start getting people who are making, you know, our identity. there are parts of our identity. i mean, what do you think you'd called it a criminal arrangement made since the beginning of the century to alter the demographic structure of june? is yet said the what's is tactic here? do you think? well, it was the same tactic as he always, you know, just like we've heard now, it's vague statements, always accusing people plotting against the state against chinese. yeah. always accusing people of conspiracy without naming anything. so really he did that. they did that with his political opponents by which the post decreasing them for

plotting against the page without saying, what's the plot or what's the conspiracy without proofing? proving if that's true or not. who said that about shortages and food georgia, it's a cool food shortages. and he said that there was a conspiracy among business business, men's and women's engineers that are plotting against the, against the states. so really he's been doing and building conspiracy theories for the last 2 years. so this come, this does not come as a, as a shocking statement. when you know, i side project, he always just defy his act by fighting against a dog conspiracy. without naming behind it yet, he says there are parties, he received huge sums of money after 2011, to settle irregular migrants into new year. again. who does he mean or is it just making it up? well, he's, it is. if you, if you ask me,

i think he's making it up. but, but i think his accusing old boy's school party because science project is to build a political system without political party. that's why he got rid of the parliament . that's why he got treat of the old constitution. his main project is to build an individual system based on himself. so he can not have political parties being popular engineers in used to destroy the reputation. and that's what he's doing by accusing them of being involved in human trafficking or this or this issue. so it's really the same strategy he's been using since he's qu in 2021. so what, what do you think suffer within its unique about how people perceive this? and let's start with those who support president said in the 1st place. would they be some of those be surprised by what he said here?

absolutely. like the he's statements like we did controversy, not only indonesia, as i said, everyone like was shocked of what he said. i think i agree with. i mean with what he said regarding his policy. he's, i mean, ruined in tunisia, his ruin and everything was that was built to help reform in the country to go out from the crisis in conflict that created division among tunisians themselves . and the evidence of that as the least intention between denisia and rocco, he so how he, i mean we're, well, we called him bassinger from tunisia in a response to the canadian rather than toast. dana, what is that? he will be there him. i think he's just like acting from out of the blue like to the introduce policy that is acting against them. easier developments because he

does have a lot of support into that is a fact. and when they're all those, you have been campaigning recent weeks from the authorities to spell and documented migrants from the countries. so what i'm asking is, is those sort of steadfast supporters do they still really filled done by him? absolutely not. i'm sure that there are against what he said, and i mean, whatever you go there are people that support, you know, their head of states and those that are against. but i, i, i have a strong belief that those people who are supporting him would disagree 100 percent . but what he said, we are in africa and it's part of our identity. and i don't see any body like thinking to agree with hostile statement and hateful statement and remark, full of patrons and what's inside hatred actually among our society. i mean, would you agree with that? because to disagree with the president would give power to the opposition?

goodness spent it as it is. i think i think we need to establish how popular science we've seen to in the last elections that has still a page of people that support him. but the majority of teaching people did not go to vote. so they are not approving this political project that i did building. so when it comes to that, i think that his fully support comes from a group of people that have been campaigning for his election in 2019, etc, etc. and that are approving his project, those specific people i think are supporting what they're doing right now because they, he gave them as a proper stick and through to a complex problem, he made soups to her and meager and the scapegoats for the economical issues, indonesia. so right now what you are having multiple acts of violence against,

oops, are in me grants, we've seen it yet today in the city of facts where they've tried to the people tried to physically abuse up to a higher in the family. we've seen it 2 days ago in the city of suca, where they tried to burn down houses were soups, to hired me grants, who were living. so really we are seeing active violence against me. and because people desperate people believing that those me grants are responsible for the economic issues and that's what i made them believe. so really, i think that there is a group of people into the up. he's strong reports that can believe anything that i tell them because he built all the political system around him and is not only he's not only there were their political choice, he's their only choice right now they can not. they cannot think of anything else

besides 5 projects, but for the opposition and for the, the people that left valued after his multiple abuses of power after the q. this is a, this is a strong this is a strong disbelief for them. they did not expect fide to be this this filled with hatred with, with politic words against against people so. so, so really i think you still have a strong base, but i think most of the people that believed in him are now filled with disappointment. if you do think this tactic, i mean will work this effort to create the smoke screen around the problems that the political problems, economic problems, the food supply issues and so forth. it could work that until when i mean and people will, will, people will realize that that economy,

coal policies are simply not working or complain of them. he cannot, we cannot get to deal with him if he cannot get for an aide that he can not build. it can, it can only cool program that, that, that reduced inequality that creates more, a move companies, etc, etc. it did not prevents really and you can on the cool project that could help people. so really i think it's cool work for the time just as it is old, back to work through time, the parliament, the justice, etc. it was all for a few months and then you find a new scape goat, but will you blame next? what will be the next victim? that's the, the, the main question and the said question really suffer the african union has expressed shock and deep concern should they, could they do more i think yes,

i think rather than just condemned him because, i mean even not like, let's talk about not only the the a you but also the you, you and like a, you have been like condemned and similar, similar actions like repeatedly adopt the resolution to condemn this income them that but are we seeing any changes really? i don't think so. a lot of challenges are still hampering up, you know, or, or affecting migrant across the world across the continent. so i'm not really see in like any changes like helping to overcome such challenges. if you take into account the situation in a, you and the european union or european countries, there are a lot of defections and a lot of loopholes and a lot of issues targeted migrant. but are they sold? we only see like resolution adopted and, you know, of the, are condemned in african countries world poor fool. we're not doing enough to

tackle the situation. but are they doing anything to tackle the situation? i only see was illusions and you know, target in some countries in africa, but whether the giant economies and you are do with or shouldering their responsibilities and that issue, i don't see any action. let's take into account the wrong. as the situation in france, i see local official repeatedly target in migrants from rock from algeria, from sub and from across the region or from across africa regions. but are they held accountable? are there any actions taken against those officials? the are true when doug statements about african migrants, there was the local official in montpelier. i think frank, we were recently said calkins and africans are not welcomed. and, and the european,

or in france are the france take any legal action against what he said. i don't think so. no, i think yes, there are still some some i mean, a lot to do in order to tackle the situation of migraines across the world, of course that maybe you could indeed all you that it's more of a european union problem that the african problem. yeah. i mean, carol yeah, i was, i was, i was actually questioning, why do we, why do we give responsibility to the group countries in the north african countries to tackle that situation? i mean, we are not supposed to be the pull the, the police for the repeat union. they need to handle the migration at the end, held accountable. once there is the abuse,

i don't like when it will be in countries gets involved in, in north african countries to, to, to, to, to, to deal with migration issues. i mean, since side inside presidential term begin intermedia we have, we have, we have, we've been working with friends to expel people, changing people from friends, people who never lived in just the, we're just we're, we're there for 20 or 30 years and they've been, they've been expelled from friends after one minor one minor infraction, or, or because their, their visa permit expired, etc. before that we used to always, or she was, we used to always give those people the chance to get back into get back into the, into, in a legal situation. etc, etc. now we're just dealing with the, with the friends and the migration policy. we are doing it for them and

suffers. let's get down to the nitty gritty that the migrant story if you like. so you have the migrants coming from these countries. they end up in north africa and they bid to get to the, you know, the streets paved with gold in europe is as they may think they are. and then what happens, why are they trapped their if i can, if i may only like add up to what i mean is paying for instance, just recently in 2021, france decided to slash the number of visas to moroccan in james. and also birch, uneasy and migrant. there was no, no condemnation about this from the you itself. i mean there was no actual theme and frank claimed that it solve this issue. but did, did it do it because i, i so report as a journalist i still write about this continuously writing about how moroccans are frustrated about like,

how they are applications get denied without any specific justification from claims that i solve the issue and the counselor services were restored, fully restored, which are still claim. alright, and suffers that on the other hand, morocco itself has become the 1st country in the region to give legal status and benefits to migrants. how is that working? ok, so this is part of morocco's migrate jury policy. that's a king, 106 launched in 2013. and this enabled the operating of moroccan office for silent and seedless persons and this gave migrant children access to public education as well as the integration of my going into morocco society. morocco is one of the 1st african to have such a migration policy. and that goes beyond that. we go or lives in the status of migrants. i think the number of migrants, you know,

benefited from this policy goes beyond the 50000, the migraines of as part of 2 campaigns that were launched under the moroccan migrate migration. and then when they had a granted this, do they settle a given opportunities for work and so forth? how are they assimilated in the community? absolutely, they get a residential permit that would allow them to get access to education, health care and also have the right to apply for a job in addition to that morocco also grants 1000 scholarships. we have like 12000. i think a students of the studying in morocco including students from sub saharan africa and eventually they get job opportunities either here or when they are back to their whole countries. in addition to that, we all of so, or we all witness morocco's initiatives and commitment towards the african

developments and the best evidence to prove that is a more awkward contribution to food security in the continent. the country donated thousands of fertilizers to a several small hold their farmers across the continent. so i think the country is doing a great job. of course, still some challenges that morocco should take into account including communication . but i think we're doing so far. so good. right, and i mean, that differs massively from how migrant received and soon as you tell us a little bit about that, what's life of migrants in the families who enter the country? yeah, just to react to what i said about about the, the french polity. when it comes to these, it was a part of an international negotiation between friends and the my group. friends

wanted to expel the citizens from migrant citizens in france that were not legal anymore. and for the last 10 years, my roku algeria engine is always refused to me just accepted 2 years ago. and that's what made the french mean to go into a method that you need. yeah. the good students of the my grew up when it comes to, when it comes to migration policies, because we accept that's french, expelled people that are living there that have built their families that have families there, etc, etc. so really well, all, all migration policy is badly thing. it's not think in human human, italian way, it's picked in terms of politics. how can we benefit from it? and now the situation is absolutely horrifying from my grants. i've been saying that the word going to need to be either black, either an opponent of ty, it then,

god forbid you're both. and really, they're always there is they always, there always have been to the mention is of course, the reason everywhere. but now since the sides communication, it has become difficult for them to go to the doctor. i mean, the medicine university had to put out the statement to, to, to tell the doctors you are supposed to treat everyone equally. and there is even difficult to get them to private, private transportation, because we've seen pictures yet to day of private, private transport thing. they will not welcome any and yet as we can negroes to, we are african and they, they just, they just seem to forget that he suffered migrants across the country to mon, you're had one comment to react to. i mean, what i mean said, i think like the statement you said, you mentioned about like morocco,

algeria and i mean, i'll talk about radical, specifically since it's part of my, my, my, my expertise, this what you said as part of tenicia and, sorry, what's, what from said it's the version of the french government, claiming that morocco refuse she to gets back the migraines, who are residing in france. erica, literally, bucks a morocco like has been when you, when it's commitment towards bringing that back, migrants who are like residing in france, a girl irregularly. but of course this will take a lot of process, a lot of security back check, and a lot of things. and it's not just as easy as that, not like as easy as it seems. and of course, i mean from didn't justify it's decision. they just like how i mean, how it's,

how was visa related to not more often, not being able to, to treat or poor bring back. it's a regular migrants in france. i don't feel like there is a connection between death because those who are, you know, applying for visa are applying legally through legal program. i'm going to jump in there because we're just running out of time. i mean, i just want to come to you on the this, this idea that the migrant cross constants facing so much hostility that many calling to that's kind of no borders policy that nobody know african should be regarded as a foreigner. anywhere on the continent is other possibility. is that a good idea? i love that. so i agree with that. i think that border is just human, construct political trucks and that i know boys are both see will mean that we will have a mixed country where the risk of going to phobia will be it will be

lower ends would be would be, would be impossible, really so i think that's, that's the thing that we could, we could, we could get something from europe on that end and try to build an african country without borders without need for permits or we suffered, couldn't work like a large part of your absolutely, absolutely. i definitely agree with that. i would see i would love to see some initiatives that would allow africans to move freely. and again i'll, we need to tackle this humanitarian issue and not a political issue. and mean, finally to you, we've seen all too clearly the tragedy of migration, even today, this shit rec vessel in italy, doesn't that ultimately? where is the solution? is a solution where they end up all or where they're trying to get to where they're coming from. i think we could learn that finger to from morocco. i think we could it could

welcome people, that's our, that's our, that's our, your intermedia. and that are searching for a better life. and because offer them this much for life, we have we have been trying to attract migration to private universities and to, and to live in 24 years now. there was always the really to, to bring african subsided in african people to, to private university. and i think that we could, we could benefit from that we can benefit really from giving work permits and jobs true to the people that are here. and i think that the hope that they are the hopes of a better life. they're expecting from europe. we could offer them new. yep. a challenging, ongoing problem and we run out of time. appreciate your thoughts, your perspective. thanks very much indeed. thanks. so i guess,

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