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since britain voted to leave the blog. so is breaks it finally done. this is inside story. ah hello, welcome to the program on the hill, robin u. k. an e u leaders have clenched a new deal for northern islands, trading arrangements solving, one of the toughest challenges caused by breaks it. prime minister wishes to night, calls it a decisive breakthrough and represents a new start for relations with the e. u. european commission. president s live on de lion says the deal will allow both sides to begin a new chapter. it comes nearly 7 years since britain voted to leave the e u, before this northern ireland and the republic of ireland, which is part of the

e. you shared the same trading rules, but the change caused a problem. how to avoid a hard border in the sensitive region. disputes about the deal have prevented a government from forming in northern ireland. well, we'll get to our guests in a moment. first, this report and jonah hall it's not often in u. k. e. u relations that optimism winds the day. so this was a rare moment, a smile that said a deal had been done. today's agreement delivers smooth flowing trade within the whole the united kingdom protects northern islands place in our union and safeguards sovereignty for the people of northern ireland. the used chief executive hailed a new honesty in the relationship and spoke of her pride in the so named winds of framework. updating the original northern ireland protocol that governs post brags in trade between the u. k. and the i you, this new frame that will allow us to begin

a new chapter. it provides for long lasting solutions that both of us a confident will work for all people and businesses in northern ireland. the deal provides for smooth trade between the u. k. mainland and northern ireland eliminating most checks on basic food stuffs, plants and medicines. it said to safeguard the good friday peace agreement while upholding the sovereignty of northern ireland. allowing its devolved assembly a veto of a future rules decided by brussels. a so called storm on to break, but no deal can overcome the fundamental briggs that contradiction that northern island remains in both the u. k and the e use single market for goods. and so the role of a you law though diminished won't disappear entirely. there may be a deal breaker for northern ireland democratic unionists and the hard core of pro bricks it m p 's and the conservative party, both of whom the prime minister appealed to when he addressed parliament later he

does what many said could not be done. removing thousands of pages of e u lord and making permanent legally binding changes to the protocol treaty itself. the prime minister has confirmed that a vote will take place inside the house of commons before this new deal can become u. k. law. there's no chance of losing it, he's already been promised the support of the opposition labor party. what mister sooner will hope to avoid, however, is for yet another new divide to form inside the conservative party of the brakes. it breaks it was supposed to have been done at the end of 2020. in truth, it was never going to be done until the problem of northern ireland was done. the u . k and e. u. leaders are hoping it finally has been jonah, how al jazeera london richie snack should know not to be too soothed by this warm scented bath. the praise that he's been receiving since monday in westminster and

a large part of the british press for his new deal with the european union. people genuinely surprised by the depth and the scope of this deal and encouraged by this new atmosphere of co operation and dialogue with the european union, where some of rich su next predecessors had chosen a more competent, adversarial approach. but pretty soon that we'll know that the real acid test for this deal is how it goes down here in northern ireland. and if you speak to people in the business community here, i think that generally encouraged, if you speak to people on the streets, i think many of them a genuinely encouraged as well. but the main power broker here for this is the d. u pay. the main unionist party, we pulled out the power sharing in the store want assembly more than a year ago in protest over the protocol. it is they who have to be satisfied and

they are not going to be rushed into passing judgment. they're going to go through it line by line as jeffrey donaldson, their leader said, and make sure that when they come to this decision, it's the right one. and it's a consensus why that within the policy they will once they know that they steal basically safe guards, the northern islands constitutional positions within the united kingdom. and that the role of european law is kept as minimal as possible in northern ireland. and that trade is essentially unfettered. why does it matter? well, until the d u p. are content with this deal, they will not return to power sharing here at store month and northern ireland will effectively remain without a function in government. and that is having a real impact on services like health and education, things that matter. perhaps more than the protocol, perhaps more than this winter framework to normal people in northern ireland where we talents inside story in belfast. here's how the so called law mile protocol has

been changed when the u. k. left the e. u. a customs border was drawn between all the island and the rest of the united kingdom. which angered unionists. but now under the new winds, a framework goods will be separated into a green lane for items traveling to northern ireland and a red lane for those. moving into the e. u ah, let's bring in, i guess, for this edition of inside story in london, we have jill rutter, a senior research fellow at u. k. in a change in europe. she's also a senior fellow at the institute for government and works on policy and breaks it in belfast, buying feeney, a historian, author, and a columnist with the irish news and in dublin decor back on professor at the school of law in government at dublin city university. is also author of the book from partition to break it, the irish government and northern ireland. are all welcome to all of my guests, mister fini. can i come to you 1st?

it seems an intractable problem may well have been solved. it does make you wonder why they didn't think of this before. well, he didn't think of it before. the problem has been for the last 2 years is pretty storm and under or johnston, for a short period live trust, be refusing to operate the protocol. in fact, brought in legislation to try to remove the protocol which would have been the breach of international law. and the you had begun to intrinsically proceedings against the british government because of the other 2 they taken so that they, the solution of or what we believe is the solution was sitting there a sense of over 2021. but the british government, under its prime minister, was refusing to take it. when richie should i came to par, he very quickly decided to reset the relationship with you. and really

all the emphasis of the mothers on northern ireland and a response. this is about as resetting the okay, relationship with you very much and i'm sure we get more of that in the day. so we have lots of like, coming to you in london clubs. you worked on breaks that, you know, inside out from behind the scenes was the northern island issue and trade and the trade barriers and board is always a problem. wasn't always in the, the mindset of the british government from when the vote was taken back in 2016. what's your take on it? i think it's sir, as a game or 2 halls, you might say, i think it will probably wasn't sufficient in the mindset either. david cameron, the prime minister, who announced the referendum, nor during the campaign featured when john major and tony blair, to prime minister, you've done a lot to bring peace in northern ireland, went to north on the said,

i vote for brett's. it could cause problems, but it wasn't a big issue in the campaign. and i think it really any turned on the british government quite late in the day, in to 2017, after they'd set off negotiation withdrawal agreement. this really was going to be a big problem. and the e u is very much going to side with the irish government and demanding a solution up front. but then when the irish issue, the northern ar, she, she did take center stage, it became a huge big issue. it's effectively what caused the downfall of theresa may when her back stop proposal fail to gain the consent of her year. a skeptic members of parliament, it triggered the advent of birth. johnson. he then did this protocol deal, which richie syriac has been trying to make more workable in order to allow the u. k. to exit the e. u at the end of the in 2020. so it's been

a long running subject, and it's been a thorn in u. k. u relations ever since it really emerged as a really difficult issue to solve this issue of how to avoid a land border in the island of island while protecting the integrity of the eas single market. while also allowing northern ireland to remain part of the u. k. internal market. that's good to, to look at a buck owens opinion on this in dublin. obviously we'll get into the good friday agreement little bit later in this conversation. that's what the whole board ritchie was about as well. but how to think dublin is reacting to the news of the last 24 hours. because doubling with very aware that the border between northern island and the republic would always be an issue even before the 2016 referendum and the, and the, and the way the british government muting this referenda was going to happen. they were on the bull, were they with the you telling them this is going to be

a problem. oh absolutely. i mean, during the breaks of referendum, the irish government were acutely aware of the negative ramifications that would arise in what would be a transformational act if, if, if actually the united kingdom left the european union. i mean, ireland and united kingdom joined the european union together. they'd never be in a situation before where they were one was outside and one was inside. and despite their advice and petitioning the british government, they proceeded without really looking at the implications they didn't even really decide what kind of breaks that they wanted. it wasn't here in 2016 whether they would, for example, leave the single market, the customs union, all those things were decided after the decision was made to leave the united kingdom. and then of course, it was complicated further by the fact that the majority people in northern ireland voted against breaks it voted to stay in the european union. and that's something that sometimes lost in this debate because the d p get such attention because of its opposition to the european union and each the protocol. and of course, many,

the changes that have come about as a result of this agreement had been made to assuage the fears of the d u p. but it's worth remembering that g p got 21 percent of the vote in northern ireland during the most recent elections. brian fini, in belfast, i mean where do you see the process as is at the moment with prime minister soon like heading to northern ireland in terms of the way that he's got to deal with the unionists now and the dare i say the power that they hold is that power that they hold? well, it's very important for sure not to try to get the d u p on board to get them to support this thing. i mean, it is a good day on a certain day people in britain elsewhere said would never happen, that the european union wouldn't agree the problem for sure not as an, as the d u p. decide not to go back into the executive installment. then

people are going to say, well, he did all this for nothing, and e u is also going to be in the position of saying, once again, we've been in the ghostly ations with a british government. we've done all this in good faith. we have stretched ourselves out at the end of the day. nothing has come of it. so there will be a much darker mood and brussels if the executive isn't up and running again. so we should not, is trying very, very, very hard. so people say, you know, we're selling that the, to try to convince the d p to go back into and to start because there's no executive and there's no local government devote government here. then the whole place is likely to be stabilized. mr. back in dublin, you're agreeing in your agree with mr. phoenix in belfast? yeah, i mean there's a, there, there is a lot of frustration and we don't you think that breaks it was voted upon 7 years ago and, and since that time we've had 5 british prime ministers and the european union has

been negotiating with our british government at war with itself, and it's been the same conservative party in government all the time, but such as the factionalism within the conservative party that sometimes when a new prime minister comes into power in britain is almost like it's a new change of government. and you have to remember that the european union is 27 countries. each of them a democracy, sometimes coalition governments, sometimes they have to take regional governments into account and they, every time the agreement was signed, you know, more or less stuck to the agreement, but no sooner wasn't agreement signed before whether it was with morris johnson or with reason may the british government imploded and found that it couldn't implement or, or stick with the agreement that it had signed. and sometimes it was being disowned as in the case of ours. johnson he moralist is on the agreement that he's signed in 2019. thus, the attempts to move away from the protocol. so i think from the european union's perspective, they are very much hoping that this is the beginning of the ends. because of course,

the relationship will still evolve. i mean breaks, it really hasn't even taken at ruesch just yet. i mean, this is just about laying down the framework of what the relationship will be going forward other than the mood music was very good yesterday. and there was our sort of underline was describing sooner because, dear, dear issue with that that, that could change quickly if disagreement is not not to follow through in the united kingdom, this was going to bring you in from london because either as a naka said, you know, it's all about the mood and the murmurings that come because for northern ireland and for the government in westminster, it has to think about a whole load of things, isn't it? you know, not integrity. it's relationship with the e. u. issues of nationalism and republicanism or people, or do they feel a british or did they feel that they're irish? they have to take that into consideration when they're dealing with parties. i'm with the public in north light. i mean, since in your position dealing with government ministers at that time, what's your opinion about how the difficult road the government has to now tread to

try and make sure this agreement works properly? so i think it's very interesting, i think actually are slightly disagree with your other contributors. i think a to challenge jewish is to knock one, which i think is the really big one for the e. u. in many ways is, can he actually get his party to buy this agreement so he doesn't have to go back. try to reopen it or indeed be pressure eyes to proceed with an old on protocol bill, he agreed to drop it. it could always be resurrected. so i think from the use point of view is do they finally have a british government that is prepared to do a deal? can sketch it through parliament? i manage it politically and then move to implementation. the 2nd big sort of domestic issue is can he persuade the d u p. first of all, to acquiesce in this agreement than ever going to embrace it with open arms, but will they regard it at some point in the not too distant future as providing

the basis for resurrecting the power sharing institution. so i think there's the to test that he needs to apply. but one of the big problems over the long i think with the unionist community is yes they do you p campaigned for brett's it are the unionist parties, didn't, campaign spreads the d. p. did. but they never really address the issue of have the border would work. post brack says i don't think they could expected brett's it to when most people didn't in the u. k. establishment. i know they never really had came up with that in the thinking that was done in ireland was never really replicated pre referendum in the u. k. but there was definitely a feeling during the brett's it negotiations that the nationalist voice had very good expressions through the actions of the government of our and, and at 3 the european union reflecting those concerns. whereas the unionist voice was subjugated if you liked the wider concerns of the u. k. government determined

to cure the sort of brett's it. it wanted allowing a hard breaks it with a lot of divergence. and basically at the end of the day when push came to shove, maurice johnson sacrificed the unionist interest in the interest of the sort of breakfast that he felt he had to deliver for the conservative party mythical, bring you in in belfast, were quite sure whether you were shaking your head in agreement or disagreement there, but also, you know, i just wanted was bringing that to you. p. say they're going to look at this agreement and go through with a fine tooth comb. so, you know, george could just come in with their thoughts. yeah, i mean, 1st of all, the dps position wasn't subjugated by the british government. the unionists supported the hardest line. in fact, the deputy leader in westminster nigel dogs was a member of what was on the board of a vote leaf. so they wanted a hard border and they voted for the hardest bricks. it. and they're the authors of

their own misfortune. ah no, they are going to have to take a big decision whether or not to accept this agreement. and there's another issue isn't just accepting it the long term. our local government elections on the 18th of may in northern ireland. and the d a p is quite concerned that they may be severely criticized by a hard line party called the traditional unionist voice who are pulling out about 7 percent at the moment. and that means the d. p who will lose votes to them. the last 50000 votes last year and the assembly elections to the t u v. they may lose console saints as well. so they have to decide, do they jump before the council elections? or do they provide kid until afterwards on the side to accept? if they don't, they are going to be isolated because this dale is going to pass through

westminster. it's going to get a big majority. let me, let me just jump in that is because it is because a coffee, the labor party, a consent that going to support the government. i know that 10 o'clock in dublin is green, but let me just ask you for that very brief answer then from belfast, as you add to this, you talk about elections in may. your sense on the ground of people in north an island. they haven't had a functioning government for some time now that seem politicians take the salary, but not do the job that they were actually voted in to do good. this will back fire on the politicians that have actually, you might say in a step that the foot in the door not allowed, not allow the door to be shut properly on this deal. it certainly could back far. i mean, there is a huge crisis in house. there's the longest waiting lists in britain and ireland here, the shortage of money and education. and there is no, there is a 500000000 time black hole in the budget in the north of ireland. and the d u p

are being planned by business or not getting back in business before the day. so there are big decisions for jeffrey donaldson to make. and the next few days, they're having a meeting on saturday to try to decide what line they will take. but it's just a matter of where he's going to have to decide. do they go in, in the short term, or in the long term? or do they simply stay are which kids are going to be isolated? okay, let me begin mr. baton in dublin obviously, you know, you don't just come to these agreements overnight. there's a lot of negotiations even behind the scenes. and i was wondering from your take, how much input has that been from dublin through the e u to bring the u. k. and, and mr. soon acts ideas to fruition to what to the point that we are right now. well, the irish government has a vested interest in finding the closest possible relationship between united kingdom and,

and the european union is certainly in our interest as the only frontier between the european union and, and the united kingdom. we are the full line of war. i just want to address briefly the point about about the union is position not being paired during the negotiations. it's worth remembering that the u. p. held the balance of power in westminster during trees amazing ministration between 20172019. and indeed, the reason may have to humiliatingly withdraw from an agreement which he had already entered into because of d u p. leaders and said it wasn't hard enough from their perspective. so there's no question that the union, as perspective was an integral part of the british governments negotiating position . but it's brian pointed out in a way they have become the victim of their own success and getting the kind of breakfast that they campaign for. and it's, it's kind of a utopian practitioner, it's an ideological one, it's not one that serves the interests, economically north nations. and indeed, what has been trying to happen now with this agreement is to salvage what can be done. because it breaks the price of which is generally considered to be an octave

economic self harm. there is an opportunity here for north americans and richey stone. i put the point to people in belfast today to business people today because being within the u. k. single market being within the u. e. using the market, it don't have a privilege position. and so next said that it perhaps was the best economic zone in the world now, because again, he's over selling point. yeah. let me just come back to deal with it because, you know, we talk about opportunities here in terms of opportunities. you know, some people say that sooner cause play to master stroke or even to his cabinet members who are broad breakfast. he is, the secretary said no nyland and also one of the ministers. chris eaten harris and steve baker, part of the e r g group hard wing right wing past the conservative party that you know, was the hard breck that they've actually had disagreements. ok, i'm just wondering about what the status is if the hot right in the conservative policy. if these 2 individuals are reflective of the right wing and under the eeoic

g or what the suspects in the parts either. so one of the big debates is how powerful is the e r g hotline? now we saw it reduced to around 20 people who voted against to res. amazed deal the 3rd time and people are right. of course the do you pay misjudged things terribly. they rejected trees amazed deal, which was trying to help them help reconcile this dilemma. but then they were comprehend to be thrown under bus by forest johnson when he signed up to the protocol that they just liked so much. but coming back to this, we don't know yet, it's clearly a huge win for richie soon act that he's managed is through with no resignations from his cabinet. quite old to be. we're on resignation. watch that steve bay. can kristen harris have supported the deal? and yesterday and paula was a very, very different mood to earlier discussions on breakfast we've heard and went to resume, presented her back stop to parliament. it took well over an hour,

i think for any other conservative, but spoke in favor of it yesterday. quite a lot of a blue been big figures in the vote, leave campaign. we're losing where she's to next to the deal that his landed. that said these that of e r g o tris, have said that they want to take time to study the deal. they're convening what they call the star chamber of roy is to go through the massive documents that were published yesterday with a fine tooth comb and they will find things in it. they don't like. they will find that the prime minister has slightly over. so some of the gains, and if you don't want to deal, then you will find reasons not to like this deal. but if you think that basically you only get a good solid relationship with the you going forward and bring stability to know the island by having some sort of negotiated settlement. then you probably reckon that this is pretty, pretty well as good as it can again, well let me jump in there with to brian fini, in dublin and in buff ask is quinton very close the end of the program because i

did mention we talk about the soft and hard border between northern ireland and the republican. of course, the good friday agreement revolves around predominantly the border between the north and the south. and president biden has always said that the good friday agreement, it is untouchable. you have to keep it in place, and richie soon act knows if he can agree with all the parties involved, that they can have a workable solution to the intractable, intractable problem of northern ireland. it could open the door to washington and that trade deal that soon act would like with the united states. i was wondering whether this is the opportunity that soon ioc is looking for that the long term vision and that would help load nyland as well. yes, this really is a but resetting the u. k. e u and u k. u ass relations to biden has already endorsed this agreement. sure not in fact, promised to buy that the g 7 summit and bali in november that he would have

a day before the 25th anniversary of the going to try your favorite, which is coming up in april. so it's more than just about more than i thought it was interesting. yesterday that are sort of underlined immediately offered the u. k. access to the e use horizon program for research and innovation which is 95500000000 euro over the next 5 years. so it's important that this gets up and running, but it's a part of the e u, u k. and us relationship big recept after 2 or 3 really bad years. we shall see how quickly the old does get reset. unfortunately, we have to leave it. i'm not saying all of my guess, jill letter, brian beany demeka back and thank you so much for joining us on this edition of inside story. and you can see the program again anytime by visiting our website at

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