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announce is era. the united nations is appealing for nearly $900000000.00 to help roha, who fled to bangladesh from their native me a month. so how will the international community respond and can the rowena ever hope for an end to the state this limbo they're trapped in. this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much of jerome we're taking a further look at the plight of our anger refugees in bangladesh. the you in refugee agency has launched an urgent international appeal for vital aid to help them. some call it a forgotten crisis, yet the conditions for about a 1000000 were hang or refugees and bangladesh remain as grim as ever. they fled from me and more after the military. there began its crack down in 2017,

which the un has called a textbook example of ethnic cleansing. on sunday, a huge fire burned thousands of their makeshift homes worsening and already dire situation. $12000.00 refugees have now lost their shelter. before we bring in our panel, let's 1st speak to roja scene of the one up in cox's bazaar. he's a photojournalist and a ringer refugee for the past 6 years. yes, seen thanks for being with us. i'm so glad to hear that you and your family are all safe. this latest fire happened on sunday. you've been documenting what's been going on in the camps since then. what is the situation like for all the refugees who lost their shelters in that devastating fire? i and this is louis enough, doesn't up. i have a link that you could g a live in the wall or just if you can saw s n g i have been documenting the life of you almost says yes. now that he sent via i saw on my with my own eyes, and they tell us, you know, a district. yes. and you know,

as mr. pio for the if you use. so now it has been taught us. i have been and you know, i have to comment in the life of that it was you of the fire to stop. so not buss situation of that he was use maybe you know palmetto. so because you know, most of the images are almost no $200.00, and that's where abundance also melt most of the if would use from bush of us or display. so there is no shall and no i have to, it's part of them. days, no flaws, days no family didn't see the a's. no, i says as did like brambles and couple in who make the us and tell us we will now because you know, and most of that he would guess guess in, in, in, in not me out of the pyre. you know, because it, everybody was just a part of the pie before it has been, you know, many to as the video and porthos that people are a party at fish in this kind of chilly. just especially about the pie indicate this

time. this is really a 30 minute tuition part of them because they lost everything except the out of i. yes, let me also ask you about the situation in the camps. when it comes to the food vouchers, the u. n. has been trying to raise more money for their were hing a response. they've not been able to get the funds that they need. and as a result, the w. f. p a has had to cut food vouchers for rominger refugees and their worry they might have to cut more going forward. how worried are you about that and what that could do to the situation in the camps? ok, so therefore, and therefore the capital food ration is you know, am biddy, you know, video set, call me not only for me but also for the hold of the end when get so many because you know they the food. yes. hey, i don't have any like you hold dead air. no, don't have it written, it is an opportunity to make money. most of these are just like on public b dash on you and russia. so i already was of that if you just are not getting

enough to, to sort of buy but this time the u. n. is cutting that i, since again this make me biddy, you know, feel better. but as it, if you do, because you know, for me this is not enough but not, not for me, but models for the whole community. this is not an app. so i had been meeting i had been talking with so many of them who just, they're always as best they are. but you know, an appealing desk. what will we do with the shinnecock or to us because we don't have any income source here. we don't have any and so says to make money. so where we, we buy that, that i sent it to the russian lily, which is the, since i taught you, not the russian is nor am is in beacon paul. and between like hell and, and men and meant to mentally sickness also, you know, other kind of where is impacting for ebit themes that he would use. all right, that's roja scene abdomen up in cox's was are he's a photo journalist and also

a ro hang a refugee. i seen. thank you so much for joining us on inside story. we really appreciate it. all right, my pleasure. all right, let's recap how there were hanging ended up in bangladesh. in the 1st place, a crack down by me and more security forces in 2017 targeted the mainly muslim are hanging in rack hines state. more than a 1000000 people escape to neighboring bangladesh. the ringo are in a legal limbo and are effectively stateless. they are denied citizenship and me and more, and those in bangladesh don't have refugee status. ah . all right, let's go and bring in our panel now in cox's bizarre rosie esl turner, founder of our w welfare society, a women's rights organization at an undisclosed location on the thailand, me and more border is mathew smith, chief executive and co founder of fortify, right? a human rights organization, and also in cox's, was our athena de la part the you and hcr communications officer for cox's bazaar.

a warm welcome to you all, and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story rosier. let me start with you today. i have heard you say in the past that no refugee camp is a life for people. it's like a detention how difficult is life for ro, hunger refugees in these camps. and how much worse has it gotten these past few years? the admiral estate may have their own land going to have their own land, and this is their a painful and dad, this is the 5 years or this is bizarre. and her dad, he didn't know i changed and gave i be able to run all on the situation. become was sandra. we said, yeah, i any but yeah, we are called me ah, yeah. and that people are expecting by voluntary position, but after the pool, ah,

it's almost finished and data hold and or in bangladesh or i can say they're just me. ah, like, yeah. and even for me, because of that is denied ignition. no bro, bye. i need a skill level app, man, no profile program in the line, even her and sure about her livelihood. matthew, you heard rosier there talk about the fact that she doesn't like hearing the ringa called stateless because they are from men more and belong in me. and more, i want to ask you about that because a lot of your work has documented the fact that the ringer are denied citizenship by me and more they are in this legal limbo. what has to happen in order for them to be able to get past that? well, you know, ross is absolutely correct. roha have an indigenous homeland and reclined state it being more, i think,

significantly since the could me and mar the national unity government that formed in opposition to the military junta has committed itself to resolving this issue to, to recognize in roker citizenship in the country. they need to do more to, to, to bring that to fruition. but right now, of course, the, the biggest problem facing the, rowing in me and more is the military hunter. but this is a longstanding issue. governments military's and me and mars history the last several decades have denied the rowing of people access to citizenship rights and all of the rights that come under it. and it is a fundamental problem. and until that problem is solved along with a litany of other issues that have now been created by the me, a more military regime and being more until these problems are solved for the the struggle will continue. robina, we should point out 1st and foremost,

that no matter how long this crisis has been going on, the needs of rowen go, refugees remain urgent. i mean, this group is one of the most persecuted minorities in the world and the situation only seems to be getting worse for them. the u. n. is now appealing for nearly $900000000.00 in order to better help ra hangup refugees. but you've been coming up against funding shortfalls. how is this latest appeal going? so indeed, i think the, the recent fire shows us that. and despite there being a lot of advancements in the last 6 years, this is still an emergency and it still requires humanitarian assistance. and most of the refugees in the camps are completely dependent on humanitarian assistance. meaning that we are launching this appeal because we need to cover all of the services, all of the basic rights from 4 to health,

to protection to water and sanitation, to education, to nutrition. so it's a lot of things that we're calling for, and it's over a 100 and it's a 116 organizations. and more than half of them are local bangladesh and deals responding. and indeed the needs are still grades and we are facing a funding shortfall. it has to do with several things. we are seeing some of the donors stand by, but we also need to recognize that we need to change things. this cannot continue to be business as usual. so on one side we need to prioritize. we need to streamline. we need to see how we're going to support the most vulnerable, but we also need to start scaling up education and skill development and capacity development so that refugees access also some livelihood so that they themselves can support each other. that they can be self reliant. that they're resilience is built because it will depend on this on,

on the situation become more sustainable for them and at the same time it will prepare them for an eventual return. once conditions allow them to return raja when we talk about this latest fire that happened, we have to talk about the trauma that's been encountered yet again by rohan go. refugees who suffered because of that fire were impacted because of that fire. i'm . you've been dedicating yourself these last several years to providing psycho social support, especially for ro hang a women in the camps. and the level of trauma that women refugees have experienced is shocking. is horrifying. i've interviewed many rowing women over the years who were raped by members of me and mars military, many who saw their children killed before their eyes are ro hinder, refugees able to get the kind of psychological support that they need to be running on with dies then every day facing the problem and it's not only accept the

implants, but if we didn't look at the fire today, but the not on is if i get a minute to happen every day and what me and tell me what i said me to you in the when the got there also you know, death, but it and put it on kind of from this day we had, we come near a live human. we are not that i live setting. so why do we go and we are not allowed because we are not allowed to say anything. what we should be here. why reina? i saw you nodding along to a lot of what raja was saying that it looked like you wanted to jump in. please go ahead. i think she is completely right. i mean they live in a limbo where they don't know what is and what is their future. they hope to return home, but they can't. and they live in this complete in leg situation where they don't know what's happening and all of

a sudden they hear that their rations are being cut. and you can imagine like they live with $12.00 a month, it's being cut to $10.00 a month. that's nothing one cannot even imagine and fathom this. and that is just one of the, one of the cuts that will affect everything their health will probably from it a bit. and we're also top rated something about an anemic population, high levels of malnutrition. and it can also lead to other negative coping mechanisms we, we could even expect the arising child marriage. so we are aware, we are worried about the situation. this is why we're calling for more support sustain supports. and we fear that if we don't get the funds, then we will have to make even more difficult choices. that in turn, will have an impact in the day to day lives of the ringer, which we already heard from wrong as well. how difficult it is to live in this conditions in an overcrowded camp, in bamboo and our pole and shoulders were you faced maybe fires in the dry season,

and strong winds and rains that might wash away or shelter in the monsoon season. so there is a lot of work that need to do to, to prevent from escalating matthew, one of the things i hear most often from the ringer refugees that i speak with. they asked, why are they not able to get justice for the atrocities that were committed against them? they say we have documented this. we have shared evidence. we have spoken to prosecutors and investigators. where is justice? i know that there are various cases that have been brought against me and mars military accusing it of the crime of genocide. there is a, there's a case was brought to the international criminal court of justice. there's also an investigation going on at the international criminal court. your organization fortify rights recently filed a criminal complaint against me in mars, military in germany. what's different about that case and how is it going and why is it taking so long for these cases to play out? yeah, thinks that mohammed, we had 45 rights. we share the frustration with the ro,

anger, community, and others throughout me and more that the wheels of international justice move too slow. and certainly there are a great number of people trying to speed those wheels up. we have seen a number of cases crop up, as you mentioned, that the cases are the complaint rather that we filed in germany in january this year, along with 16 individual complainants from me and mar, including roha and representatives from several other ethnic groups throughout the country was filed under what's called universal jurisdiction. so this essentially enables perpetrators of genocide, crimes against humanity in war crimes, to face prosecution in germany, despite the fact that the crimes were committed outside of germany's borders. so right now we're hopeful that the federal prosecutor in germany will launch an investigation. that's cool. number one,

goal number 2 would of course be for the issuance of arrest warrants, and then hopefully down the road. the not too distant future prosecutions, but there are a number of other universal jurisdiction cases. there's a case in argentina as well. and there's another effort in turkey. and so this is, this is part of what we hope will be a constellation of accountability mechanisms that will essentially in circle to be a mar, military regime. the hunter, these are people that must be held accountable for these atrocious crimes. and i will just add as well that the rank of genocide and the atrocities that we're still seeing on a daily basis in be in mar, they really do represent a historic challenge for the international community. is the world going to sit by and watch, or is the world going to act and act speedily? and we do. we are working towards the latter ra. i know that you yourself have

presented evidence to different bodies. you've spoken to the you in about what the ringer have faced. are you hopeful that there will be some accountability going forward, or are you frustrated that it is taking far too long? i am consented, but when i can spare, i only hope because i see ah, yes. now i met and said, we are now the gentleman in the case, i think some time make me whole. but that did, because when i go in the chimney, but when they come back home, when i read and i'm an ally to then make me because i'm able to, why need that? and now we're not on the side of the all the numbers and the info proceed. and so i see paul and i believe is the one that

was maybe the find a solution. but the mean time, perhaps to about more think about the role he should be. it's true, right. what is that? it's not that i didn't even, ah, and do. and what about the any see not the nice as the actually. so this is, and this thing is very important for us because everyone is asking about the double men of a demo. print government can not when you are not accepting the if either 100 you for will access. why not the got there? why do you that kind of says a new name, but out of class, we are in the junior reina. let me ask you about another dimension to the ring. a crisis in bangladesh. something that i've heard

a lot of concern about from ring refugees. the past few years, over the course of the past few years, bangladesh is transferred. i think it's around $30000.00 range refugees to boston char, that's a remote island in the bay of been gone. there's a lot of rights groups that of express concern about conditions there, bangladesh, governments of bangladesh and government is said that transfers are only on a voluntary basis. the conditions are good. does you and hcr have a presence there? and what has the assessment of those conditions? been on bus on char? yes, so last year in october, the un signed by you and hcr, we signed the memorandum to support the government funds on bass. i'm char, and to help them scale up the services we were getting calls from romania, who were already on the island, were asking us to come to the island to provide further support in terms of services. so since the end of last year, we have been scaling up services, mainly focusing initially on port on health,

on wash on education and support overall in the basic services. and so we now have a presence in on by sunshine. we have a team that works there and then we have missions that go often depending on the needs that we identify on the island, the condition it, it's different than in the camp in the sense that instead of them all and so pulling shoulders, the stronger structures so there's a bit more of a housing situation within the island, the refugees feel safe, they can move really is a different situation in a sense that we also see more skill development projects and logical projects. in contrast to what we see in the, in the cost of our camp. but at the same time, it is isolated and we have repeatedly said that there's just an ability of the project depends on the government. ensuring that the connectivity with the island and the mainland is in hands, that refugees can go back and forth to visit families for medical purposes,

maybe for other purposes as well. and this needs to be strengthened and enhance. this is trends you not, where it should be to project sustainable. matthew, i want to get back for a moment to the issue of international justice and accountability. there are many rights groups that have called on the un security council to refer the abuses committed against the rank me and more to the international criminal court. is that simply not happening because of russia and china? is that the main impediment here? it certainly isn't. it has been for a very long time, and it's worth mentioning as well that it's, it's not even a veto at the security council that we've encountered. and it's been an obstacle, it's, it's, it's more the threat of a veto. and so we've been advising security council member states to put forward a resolution that would not only call for the situation in be

a more and for the rowing a situation to be referred to the international criminal court. but it would also mandate a global arms embargo, there's been resistance to advance a resolution in that regard. we do hope member states will, will move forward with that. but if i may mohammed, i just want to comment briefly on the situation in the camps of bangladesh. the situation in the camps as well as the situation on boss and char interview, really constitutes the situation of mass arbitrary detention. we have to call it what it is. this is a community of people whose human potential is being completely swallowed by these violations that they're facing on, on a daily basis. so the justice, justice and accountability will be a big part of that. but the government among the desk can make some very quick movements right now. new address some of these issues with regard to the right to work with the freedom of movement and other human rights. matthew, let me just quickly follow up with you. we only have a couple of minutes left. let me just ask you with regard to the association of,

of southeast asian nations as yon. they've been criticized in the past for failing to respond effectively to the writing a crisis. do you think we're going to see them do more and what kind of role can, can they play when it comes to what's going on in me and more i see on has been largely ineffective. and arguably, part of the problem with regard to the trustees would be in more of a situation, whether it's a failure to, to push for justice and accountability, or whether it's no authorities in us. united states participating in running a human trafficking of growing or which we've documented at length. and so there, there are some glimmers of hope. malaysia has certainly found its voice with regard to calling for justice and accountability and advocating for the rights of the rank and all the people be a mar indonesia, the chair right now boss yon. and so we are hopeful that indonesia will be able to

move that block a little bit closer to a more respectable position with regard to human rights. right now, the way that i see on is dealing with the military hunting me and mar, and the way that i see on has dealt with the rank of genocide, another mass atrocity primes happening, right. and it's neighborhood is, is really, you know, it's, it's, and it's indicative of this box inability or, or unwillingness rather to address these issues. it really needs to change. robina, there are so many crises going on simultaneously in the world right now. i mean, the ukraine war being just one of them. how difficult does all that make it for you and your colleagues to ensure that they're working, go get the attention that they need because so many of the refugees i speak with say they just feel that the world continues to ignore them. indeed it is a great challenge that we are facing and there's

a crisis everywhere and we just started with escalade in syria and turkey. it's something new and they will also need support. so we're thinking differently and we need to do that fast. so we are tapping into new funds, looking into development funds, looking to work with new partners like the world bank or the asian development bank . but also we need to start thinking about the private sector, and we have a very nice project here now where we are providing women who are heads of households for widows, where maybe mostly is sustaining their family on their own skill development and with access to livelihoods in the sense that they're learning to, so they're producing sanitary napkins. and this project is now funded by fast reaching japanese company. and this makes it easier to find funding if we can scale up the skill development projects and access to livelihoods, which would benefit everyone, including in and in particular the refugees. then we can also tap into private

funding. and this will be very important because we need to diversify as we see that other crisis is coming up. all right, we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much. all of our guests, roger. so tom mathew smith and looking at the airport to you and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website or dot com . and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also during the conversation on twitter handle is a j inside story name. i'm a jim jim in the whole team here. bye for now. a ah, along with

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