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driving racism and violence against black people in tunisia and what can be done to address it. and of course, we always want you to join the conversation. so be sure to share your thoughts and questions with us on you too. ah, joining us to discuss all this from tunis journalist elisia holcman with us from the car. how like cc activists and co founder of voices of black tunisian women. and also with us from tunis, amena galilee, deputy regional director for the middle east in north africa for amnesty international. i thank you ladies for joining us so much to discuss in today's show . i want to start with the basics for those who don't know what's happening, elisia, could you tell us what's driving the crack down on migrants here? well, this is a police or accident buyer. black people

i think he became aware forms for concession published the 300 people who've been arrested in the rescue and what the police are saying. but i says this is actually ridiculously difficult because people waiting for the shot, especially when police station and they check it down because they're

exposed to be so kind of an explosion. fire. right. i think so. so, so it's been going on for a long time that context is certainly needed. and i want to ask you how, i mean, when we talk about the context within which this is happening. we've seen these statements from the president, but there's also a broader economic context. right. people are suffering from social economic, political turmoil, our black migrants, and maybe even other black people living in tunisia being scape coded here. yeah, so i was like by correcting my name. i'm how nick 6060 i appreciate that work. well, in fact, i agree or what's happening in indonesia. it's smoking rule, but i would, i would like to contextualize a little bit because disney junior and anthony j a has

a. she in ration only knows one acts, but this time it was institutionalized and the britain made the statement that accentuate this ration so early. in fact, i think that the response of the president is produced response. it's a classic you know, it. then we have the, we miss hill this everywhere in the word. and i think that the economic situation, the fact that tunisia are renew separate from a huge economic crisis. and it's a cream every day. it's so classic itself down there. do you see it everywhere? people always look for something to post for, for someone to put the burden on. it does act that success in black persons and migrant entries are now in tunisia and they are visibly different. and we have, this is derek in the early dodge of our agents,

of the good engagement in phobia, we always as she acts of racism. so i think that the economic situation and the president statement made it worse for subsiding ethnical migrate and decisions into media. right. so i, i was gonna, i was gonna ask, you know, the perception, and a lot of the red x rhetoric seems to suggest that black migrants are taking over the country that there won't be a country laughed for others. i just want to clarify in this treat, you know, larry madeau are saying there are 20000 subs aaron africans in tunisia compared to a population of 12000000. so not taking over the president's comments. echo the great replacement theory that's popular in right winged european and north american circles. he's being accused of racism. so is, is this, i'm not to you an example clear cut where the president is inciting violence against black africans and tunisia. and thank you for the question. i think

it is quite clear from the statement of the presidency that the words that he used and the word word he uttered and those that here he's you know, like that were published on his official page. definitely. and can be interpreted as inciting violence because he didn't only you know, like mention that illegal, you know, like, and documented my words should be migration should because all rod it was brought it but he said like things which are really very serious and which incite violence against the migrants he, i accused them of being a sewing, you know, like violence, internees. yeah. um, because you know, like, inciting,

also crimes. and so his stigmatizing them, he stigmatizing more community. and this is what we call racism. you know, like this is like typical racism, the president and his entourage and like the people who are very close to him, including the minister of foreign affairs. try to whitewash the president and try to, you know, like, don't play the racist aspect of his words. but this is what we call racism, is accusing a whole population of whole community of being at the heart of the problem that account is going through, you know, using them as scapegoats, as you rightly you know, like i said earlier on, i think it's really very clear that the president and the official intellect,

this course of the authorities in tunisia are using the black community in black migrants from sub saharan africa, as kate goes, are to blame their own feelers to tackle the i'm a nomic and of course and of course, to clarify for audience it's, it's migrants, it's refugees, and then there's also a broader implication about just black people. is it under? all right, and is it go ahead? elisa, it's actually been calling the, i'm sorry, i missed a decision making about past the south. jasper. a guys who are paying a pension over bank trending solution. these are the people who are paying in are here in higher state. yeah, they pay for the show,

they stated are $1280.00. and the minister said this is a big problem. a remaining people. yeah. and it's not very so, so if i mean, if i may, i mean we have a lot of people on you too. before, before you get started, i just want to say, lou, ganz on youtube saying there's a huge identity crisis with nations of northern africa. when i 1st started living there 5 years back, i had a big culture shock. and there's a lot of other comments where people are just very disappointed to be seeing the rise in anti black racism. so i want to ask you, let's talk a little bit if we can hold about the actual conditions for black residence in tunisia, a researcher with human rights watch who specializes in refugee and my grandma research. lauren sent us this video. take a listen which yet say human rights watch is spoken with over

a dozen individuals, black hair and africans who have been targeted for arbitrary evictions for violent assaults. and other abuses. and people are currently homeless in need of immediate assistance and shelter. but also people need effective protection by state authorities to ensure that actually those who have committed these attacks will be investigated, arrested, prosecuted, and that her and africans, and will no longer face arbitrary arrest and detention solely on the basis of skin color. color there seems to be a kind of dismissal that they says even happening like they keep deflecting that. the president seems to be maybe gas lighting. what do you make of, what can you tell us about what it's like for black residence and to needs? are particularly these, these migrants in refugees. so i will follow up. in fact,

what has said about migration. i would like to precise that 18000 television migrated to it, and on 2023. so, and that's what explain racism because normally denisia are migrant and they go all over the world. but when it comes to black persons coming to geneva, it's different and we treat them differently. the president has another treatment for them. we had seriana, we had the been referred to you, but we haven't ever seen this kind of discourse. so, and in fact i'm, i'm not in the best place to talk about what research is or migrant from subside in africa. our faith in sure. i think that they are the best in a better position to talk about. but i will talk about what the black person indonesia is didn't with. and i mean, i was like, well, you didn't. well, i was, i was gonna say, i'm in a you must experience harassment and abuse of on your own,

cracked as it is. of course. well, i would share something. it's not my story. it's not the story of all the black. one, usually woman, because it's an institution. i think it's a historical and it's systemic racism for, for my sense when i, you want to relate to migrant thumbs upside in every day. sometimes they think that i'm looking asian, and in this like 2 minutes or 2 seconds in which people think that i'm not donation . i received a dub or aggression. when people think that or not from tunisia, they incent they at that they sexually harassing me. and when i speak in our book, sometimes they say stories that they know. so it's so clear that there is growth discrimination and they want to look at it from intersection. atlanta, it's gross discrimination. people are facing your phobia and racism in the same time. people just at freezing it in institutional level because the state made

their statement about it and they were so clear about it. yeah. facing social discrimination by me. i mean anything. could you look vaguely? so what i want to highlights year is that we are, we are in case it's so complicated case of cross discrimination solution. you with the woman migrate or if it is complicated situation, they are facebook a great and it's so frustrating for them. and it's so much realizing for them and, and at that intersection, all sort of angle that you just shared with us, i think is important because i want to share with our audience some other things that are happening sort of socially around this online black tunisians like yourself are posting photos of themselves online with their tunisian passports and idea ideas. and this is because black people are being warned and you know that they should be carrying their ideas in case they get stopped or harassed. so,

you know, this is kind of a beautiful act of solidarity online amongst black tunisians, with the migrants and refugees that are kind of getting the brunt of it. now come from the institutions and authorities. and as we see these pictures, i just wonder, you know, i'm not a lot of this racism that we just heard outlined from color. a lot of this is ingrained deeply in tunisian culture and dare i say arab culture. i mean, this comes from the slave trade and i just wonder if you could comment on why you think beyond that economic situations. is this just a taboo topic? is it something that's become so normalized? the way that people in tunisia referred to black people. it is the old topic in the sense that it hasn't been, you know, like, analyzed enough or through like studies or discourse like, you know,

the calls tracking this course now on tenicia or whenever you talk to tunisia for example, they would say no, we are not tracy or we don't have that in that in our culture. and so it's really a double issue. but just what i just also wanted to mention then, despite the fact that it is somehow at that will issue and the, the fact that there is a lot of racism and it's ingrained in asia that there were some steps forward in the leg from a legislative point of view to tackle this racism. so in 2018 tunisia enacted, that was the 1st country in the middle east to enact a law to fight racism. and this law basically prohibits you know, discrimination and prohibits also all forms of dead racism.

i'm, i'm now in the, forgive me for giving him for giving me, forgive me, forgive me for jumping in, but you know, so the laws are on the books and this is not often something that's unusual and other countries as well. the laws there to protect them, but it is it actually being used or is it more just, i hate to say it, but for p r purposes it has not been really used. it's not the p r for p r purpose because this lol is the result of the fight of hundreds of people, including people in civil society. people who are, you know, like a very hard for, or this low. and people who are in, you know, like a seizures or organization to fight discrimination on racial basis. so it is definitely something that was a success story in the sense that the fact that you need to be slow was really very good. but the problem is, the implementation on the ground and the fact that the institutions,

indonesia are still not prepared to implement the slow yes, most, most certainly, and you know, i want to hear directly from some of these migrants themselves who are kind of explaining their precarious predicament for lack of a better way of putting it, in this case a sudanese, an invoice and migrant tick. listen. hi, leon will little will the lead say a situation is getting worse and worse when we walk in the street. people bully and insult us and ask us to go back home. the situation has become unbearable. we appeal to the you and hcr. enough is enough. as it is, new people do not one refugees and to nicea, we asked them to be repatriated even to niger or a wanda. she could only charlottesville and near, yet had the little wonder mccula mon libra did. every one is free to live in an african country where all africans, why so much racism,

you live in your peace in your country, but here we do not live in peace it you see on that, but like it look of my want you to bundles of really, i ask the present to see all the small problems. we are brothers, ivory, coast, muddy all africans. we are brothers must help each other. we must love each other that the most important thing frank. what'd deal? nothing. now at the same time how now of course we've seen a lot of solidarity protests. people are speaking out about this online, and i wonder, do you think this is a flash point? where do you expect this to go as people search for solutions for solving to uses economic and political situation, but specifically this, this issue of anti black racism do in test? do you anticipate it getting worse? so to answer your question and to follow up, what am there said about the know, in fact, my sense as a black tunisian person, relatively privilege it yeah, i,

i don't refer to this law and i, i feel a complete one time and it has been now 3 years that i didn't get the response, i would say that this know is for be reason, because denisia is one of the company that a british and slavery is the 1st company that, that implement a low against tradition discrimination. i would highlight that there is a lot of activists and we did a lot. okay, to look for the snow. but this know is i would say that it's in on paper because this no normally is followed by social cultural, economic discrimination policy. and we don't see this discrimination, this discrimination police talking a complain to say you're not going to have to pay, you have to pay a lot the person. and we know that the black person much and that's on the

economics game of the economic can you make me scale indonesia? so what i suggest as a solution and it's, it's kind of what i, what i blame this look for, is the fact that they want to treat the complicated subject and they want to accomplish issue in the psyche with the low. it's okay, it's going to be so happy we are protecting people. we did grow. yes. when they had enough privileges to go and community if it's from the snow, but we didn't see any cultural approach of inclusion. we didn't know the article. it's mentioned that tunisia commit to put in is lashona strategic to fight against russian discrimination. i really don't need it. so the know was 820282018221. he and nothing older

grass so so cold. i appreciate you speaking. so passionately and personally about your experience with this and you know, part of why we're doing this show is we asked our audience for example, what they think this is about why this resurgence, alicia and calc awesome right here on twitter saying the main cause of racism is rampant injustices of any form in community further. the reason for this injustice is politicians are elite of that society, but they're blaming minorities to divert folks is attention from themselves. i think the same is true in case of tenicia. so it seems like perhaps the president or, you know, the government is losing political support. there was a time not so long ago that a lot of if i speak quite frankly, and candidly, a lot of young arabs looking to tunisia after the arab revolutions about a decade ago looking to it as sort of the last hope for a more progressive board did democratize them democratic society that tide has shifted and i wonder, you know, we have a comment from a 20 year old, a very young,

i believe, 20 or 21. a young, twenties and woman named photo would liffey. i'm talking about how shame factors into all of this and how it's a bit embarrassing what's happening. take a look. so now we're than ever tv has our most divided between those who support the presidents, teresa statements, and try to justify it objectively and others. and there are also, and unfortunately team amazing guy each other and down, accusing each other of not wanting what's best for their country. so there is also a feeling as a general shame, especially regarding tedious inmates and in front of their world. so i'm wondering elisia 1st, you know, we talked

a lot about how to nisha has achieved all these 1st. so you know, so to speak and whether it's being done for sort of public relations or managing reputation or not. i'm wondering. it's not a signatory though, to the geneva convention on refugees. it doesn't really have a formal immigration law like many other arab countries. so where is the hope for you in terms of changing things on the ground? i think and we can just like getting over the case as far as anything i most is saying or, or a day or a statement. and they go to the bank. i noticed that the people and i think hell

age a bed or not a a sheet. people have a chance that eating or a yeah. yeah. yeah. so, you know, with that, well, there's a lot of hope that's coming to me from this conversation and certainly not the 1st or last that we're going to have here. it's a story that we hope to continue to follow along with your guidance, your expertise. i want to thank elisia holland and for being with us and to you for watching the next time. ah

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