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racist rhetoric. today we ask what's driving racism and violence against black people in tunisia and what can be done to address it. and of course, we always want you to join the conversation. so be sure to share your thoughts and questions with us on you to ah, joining us to discuss all this from tunis journalist elisia holcman with us from the car. how like cc activists and co founder of voices of black tonys and women. and also with us from tunis, anna galley, deputy regional director for the middle east in north africa for amnesty international. ok, thank you ladies for joining us so much to discuss in today's show. i want to start with the basics for those who don't know what's happening. elisia, could you tell us what's driving the crack down on migrants here? well this is a police fire people

there was, i think he became aware for concession commission, be another 300 people have been arrested in the rescue and what the police is saying is this is ridiculously difficult because people waited and they shot especially when police sererow station and they take it down because they're supposed to be

an explosion. fire. right. i think that so so, so it's been going on for a long time that context is certainly needed and i want to ask you, i mean, when we talk about the context within which this is happening, we've seen the statements from the president, but there's also a broader economic context, right? people are suffering from social economic, political turmoil, our black migrants and maybe even other black people living in tunisia being scape coded here. yeah, so i was like by correcting my name. i'm how like 6060 i have received that one. well, in fact, i agree or what's happening in indonesia, it's smoking rule, but i would, i would like to contextualize a little bit because disney junior and anthony j a has a,

she in ration only knows what the act, but this time it was institutionalized and the brilliant, made the statement that accentuate this ration so early. in fact, i think that the response of the president is populous to response. it's a classic we know it. then we have the we miss hill this everywhere in the word. and i think that the economic situation, the fact that tunisia are renew separate from a huge economic crisis. and it's a craven every day. it's so classic itself down there. do you see it everywhere? people always look for something to post for, for someone to put the burden on. it does act that success in black persons and migrant entries are now in tunisia and they are visibly different. and we have, this is dora, can the early dodge of her agent,

the great asian ups in formula we always as she acts of racism. so i think that the economic situation and the president statement made it worse for subside and ethical migrate. and this is using to media, right? so i, i was gonna, i was gonna ask, you know, the perception, and a lot of the red x rhetoric seems to suggest that black migrants are taking over the country that there won't be a country laughed for others. i just want to clarify and as treat, you know, larry madeau are saying there are 20000 subs aaron africans in tunisia compared to a population of 12000000. so not taking over the president's comments. echo the great replacement theory that's popular in right winged european and north american circles. he's being accused of racism. so is, is this, i'm not to you an example clear cut where the president is inciting violence against black africans and tunisia. and thank you for the question. i think

it is quite clear from the statement of the presidency that the words that he used and the word word he uttered and those that here he's you know, like that were published on his official page. definitely. and can be interpreted as inciting violence because he didn't only you know, like mention that illegal in the like and look, a mentor. my parents should be caught migration should because all rod it was brought it. but he said like things which are really very serious and which incite violence against the migrants he, i accused them of being a sewing he, you know, like violence internees. yeah. um, because you know, like,

inciting also crimes. and so his stigmatizing them, he stigmatizing more community. and this is what we call racism. you know, like this is like typical racism, the president and his entourage and like the people who are very close to him, including the minister of foreign affairs. try to whitewash the president and try to, you know, like, don't play the racist aspect of his words. but this is what we call racism, is accusing a whole population of whole community of being at the heart of the problem a going through. um, you know, using them as scapegoats as you rightly you know, like asked earlier on. i think it's really very clear that our president and the official intellect. this course of the authorities in tunisia are using the

black community in black migrants from sub saharan africa, as kate goes, are to blame their own feelers to tackle the enemy. and of course, and of course to clarify for audience it's, it's migrants, it's refugees. and then there's also a broader implication about just black people. is it all right, and is it go ahead? elisa, it's actually been calling the, i'm sorry, i missed a decision making about passed the star jasper a few who are paying a pension over bank planning solution. these are the people who are paying in are here in higher state. yeah. they pay for

the show. they stated are 1280, and the minister this is a big problem or a remaining people. yeah. a very so, so if i mean, if i may, i mean we have a lot of people on you too. before, before you get started, i just want to say, lou, ganz on youtube saying there's a huge identity crisis with nations of northern africa. when i 1st started living there 5 years back, i had a big culture shock. and there's a lot of other comments where people are just very disappointed to be seeing the rise in anti black racism. so i want to ask you, let's talk a little bit if we can hold about the actual conditions for black residence in tunisia, a researcher with human rights watch who specializes in refugee and my grandma research. lauren sent us this video. take a listen which yet say human rights watch is spoken with over

a dozen individuals, black hair and africans who have been targeted for arbitrary evictions for violent assaults. and other abuses. and people are currently homeless in need of immediate assistance and shelter. but also people need effective protection by state authorities to ensure that actually those who have committed these attacks will be investigated, arrested, prosecuted, and that her and african continues will no longer face arbitrary arrest and detention fully on the basis of skin color. color there seems to be a kind of dismissal that they says even happening like they keep deflecting that. the president seems to be maybe gas lighting. what do you make of, what can you tell us about what it's like for black residence and to needs? are particularly these, these migrants in refugees. so i will follow up. in fact,

what has said about migration. i would like to precise that 18000 collision migrated to italy on 2023. so, and that's what explain raising because normally tunisia are migrant and they go over the word. but when it comes to black persons coming to geneva, it's different and we treat them differently. the president has another treatment for them. we had syria, we had to keep in refugees, but we haven't ever seen this kind of discourse. so, and in fact i'm, i'm not in the best place to talk about what research geez, or migrant from subside in africa are faced ensure i think that they are the best in a better position to talk about. but i will talk about what the black person indonesia is didn't, and i mean, i was just like, well feeling well her i was, i was gonna say, i mean, you must experience harassment and abuse of on your own cracked as

a teacher course. well, i would share something, it's not my story. it's not the story of all the black one, usually woman, because it's an institution. i think it's a historical and it's systemic racism for, for my sense when i, you want to relate to migrant from subsiding every day. sometimes they think that i'm looking asian, and in this like 2 minutes or 2 seconds in which people think that i'm not genuine . i received a dub or aggression. when people think that or not from tunisia, they insult they at that they sexually harassing me. and when i speak in our book, sometimes they say stories that they know. so it's so clear that there is growth discrimination and they want to look at it from intersection unless it's gross discriminate. so people are facing the new fabia and racism in the same time, people just at facing it in, in just

a little because the state made their statement about it and they were so clear about it. yeah. facing social discrimination by me and anything like that. so what i want to highlight to year is that we are, we are in case it's so complicated case of cross discrimination pushing you into one migrant or if it is that complicated situation, they are facebook a group and it's so frustrating for them. and it's so much realizing for them and, and at that intersection, all sort of angle that you just shared with us, i think is important because i want to share with our audience some other things that are happening sort of socially around this online black tunisians like yourself are posting photos of themselves online with their tunisian passports, an idea idea. and this is because black people are being warned and you know that they should be carrying their ideas in case they get stopped or harassed. so,

you know, this is kind of a beautiful act of solidarity online amongst black tunisians, with the migrants and refugees that are kind of getting the brunt of it. now come from the institutions and authorities. and as we see these pictures, i just wonder, you know, ah, a lot of this racism that we just heard outlined from color. a lot of this is in grain, deeply in tunisian culture and dare i say arab culture. i mean, this comes from the slave trade and i just wonder if you could comment on why you think beyond the economic situations. is this just a taboo topic is it's something that's become so normalized. the way that people in tunisia referred to a black people in the old topic in the sense that it hasn't been, you know, like, analyze enough or through like studies or discourse like, you know,

the goals tracking this course now on tunisians. and whenever you talk to, to nations, for example, they would say no, we are not tracy. or we don't have that in that in our culture. and so it's really a double issue. but just what i just also wanted to mention then, despite the fact that it is somehow at that will issue and the, the fact that there is a lot of racism and it's ingrained in asia that there were some steps forward in the leg from a legislative point of view to tackle this racism. so in 2018 tunisia enacted, that was the 1st country in the middle east in that low to fight racism. and this low basically prohibits you know, discrimination and prohibits also all forms of dead racism.

i'm now in the, forgive me give you for giving me, forgive me, forgive me for jumping in, but you know, so the laws are on the books and this is not often something that's unusual and other countries as well. the laws there to protect them. but it, is it actually being used, or is it more just, i hate to say it, but for p r purposes. it has not been really used in the p. r for a p r purpose because this slow is the result of the fight. hundreds of people including people in civil society, people who are, you know, like a very hard for, or this low. and people who are in, you know, like a seizures or organization to fight discrimination on racial basis. so it is definitely something that was a success story in the sense that the fact that you need to inactive be slow was really very good. but the problem is, the implementation on the ground and the fact that the institutions,

indonesia are still not prepared to implement the slow yes, most, most certainly, and you know, i want to hear directly from some of these migrants themselves who are kind of explaining their precarious predicament for lack of a better way of putting it on, in this case a sudanese, and avoid an migrant to glisten. alien were little does say a situation is getting worse and worse when we walk in the street. people bully and insult us and ask us to go back home. the situation has become unbearable. we appeal to the you and hcr. enough is enough. as a to ninian, people do not one refugees. in tunisia, we ask them to be repatriated even to niger or a wanda. chic looney, shall have to live near yet. had the little wonder mckinley won't leave, but did. everyone is free to live in an african country where all africans,

why so much racism, you live in your peace in your country, but here we do not live in peace. if you see on that, but like it remember you demanded severely. i asked the president to see all the small problems. we are brothers, ivory, coast, muddy. all africans, we are brothers must help each other. we must love each other. that's the most important thing we're doing now at the same time, of course we've seen a lot of solid verity protest people speaking out about this online. i wonder, do you think this is a flash point? where do you expect this to go as people search for solutions for solving to use the economy and political situation, but specifically this, this issue of anti black racism do in test? do you anticipate that getting worse? so to answer to your question and to follow up, oh, what emma said about the low in fact, at me my sense as a black tunisian person to relatively privilege it. yeah i,

i don't to refer to this low and i feel it a complete one time and it has been now 3 years that i didn't get the response. i would say that this. no, it's for be our reason. because tunisia is one of the 1st country that a british in slavery is the 1st country that, that implement a low against racial discrimination. i would highlight that there is a lot of activists and we did a lot and we advocated look for the snow. but this know is i would say that it's ink on paper because this no normally is following by social cultural, economic discrimination policy. and we don't see this discrimination, this discrimination police who can complain will have to pay, you know, you have to pay, not that he's, you have to pay a lot of person. and we know that black persons are much in the light on the

economics cancer. they are the bottom of the economic of the economic early scale into an issue. so what i suggest as a solution and what it's, it's kind of what i, what i blame this for is the fact that they want to treat the complicated subject and they won't read a complicated issue in the thank you with the low, it's ok, it's good we are so happy we are protecting people. we did know yes, when they had enough privileges to go and to benefit from this. no. but we didn't see any cultural approach of inclusion that we didn't know the 11th at you can. it mentioned that to use your commit to put place national strategic to fight against rational discrimination. i don't need it so they don't work at 20282018221. he and nothing older grass so so

cold. i appreciate you speaking. so passionately and personally about your experience with this and you know, part of why we're doing this show is we asked our audience for example, what they think this is about why this resurgence. elisia and koch awesome right here on twitter saying the main cause of racism is ramp and injustices of any form and community further. the reason for this injustice is politicians are elite of that society, but they're blaming minorities to divert folks is attention from themselves. i think the same is true in case of tenicia, so it seems like perhaps the president or, you know, the government is losing political support. there was a time not so long ago that a lot of if i speak quite frankly, and candidly, a lot of young arabs looking to tunisia after the arab revolutions about a decade ago looking to it as sort of the last hope for a more progressive board did democratize them democratic society that tide has shifted and i wonder, you know, we have a comment from a 20 year old, a very young,

i believe, 20 or 21. a young tunisian woman named fed up with liffey, talking about how shame factors into all of this and how it's a bit embarrassing what's happening. take a look. so now more than ever collisions are most divided between those who support the out presidents teresa statements and try to justify it objectively and others. and there are also, and unfortunately demonizing guy each other and down, accusing gam, each other of not wanting what's best for their country. so there is also a feeling, a general shame, especially regarding teenagers, image in front of the world. so i'm wondering elisia 1st, you know, we talked

a lot about how to nisha has achieved all these 1st. so you know, so to speak and whether it's being done for sort of public relations or managing reputation or not. i'm wondering. it's not a signatory though, to the geneva convention on refugees. it doesn't really have a formal immigration law like many other arab countries. so where is the hope for you in terms of changing things on the ground? i and we can just like getting over the case as far as everything that i most is saying or, or a big city the day a and they go to the back. i noticed that the people and i think hell age

a bed or a a she people have a chance that eating or a yeah. yeah. yeah. so, you know, with that, well, that there is a lot of hope that is coming to me from this conversation and certainly not the 1st or last that we're going to have here. it's a story that we hope to continue to follow along with your guidance, your expertise. i want to thank elisia holland and for being with us and to you for watching the next time. ah,

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