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more than $100000.00 somalis have crossed into kenya since last year. this is in addition to refugees who have been in the camps, some of them since 1991. when they fled to civil war. some of the refugees come to camp like this one where they have relatives that have the problem, some government official, c, this could compromise national security. my name is lukea. r. abdi osmond mike has just arrived. she says, have village in la juba is under the control of alger. bob, over the phone over we came here because of drought, but i also had security concerns. armed men will take my property. i was afraid of my daughters. it's easy for them to be forcefully. married off, i cannot protect them. yeah. oh, oh buck. other refugee verification center. some managed to get through. they now have a food talking and a government alien cards. they say they don't want to trouble. they just want to be
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safe. catherine saw alta 0 dub refugee camp in north eastern kenya. ah, it is good to have you with us. hello, adrian finnegan here in doha. the headlines on our 0 australia has announced that it will buy at least 3. you asked manufactured nuclear submarines as part of a security alliance, which also includes the u. k. paging a strongly oppose the move calling it dangerous. u. s. president joe biden has approved a multi $1000000000.00 oil drilling project in alaska climate activists. suppose the plan se, but it undermines the administration's plans to slow the effects of climate change . the project could produce up to 180000 barrels of oil a day. and using that oil could produce more than 278000000 tons of greenhouse gases. stock market in hong kong and tokyo have closed more than 2 percent down on
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tuesday after fear spread. after the collapse of 2 us banks. that said, despite job by does assurance is that the countries financial system is safe. russia has agreed to extend the ukraine gray and export deal after talks with the u . n. but only for 60 days, half the top of the previous agreement. the agreements helped to ease the global food crisis triggered by russia's invasion of ukraine last year. stephanie deca reports from keith. it's a deal that is vital to when it comes to calming global food prices in particular, which is why it was really pushed out to be, you know, i implemented ukraine is one of the world's biggest supplier of wheat, 49 percent of sunflower oil, wheat, and grains going global really also supplying things like the world food program which then filters that through to places like yemen and somalia and south to dance and gives you an indication of just how global the reach of this deal is. malawi
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has declared a state of disaster after a powerful storm hit the country for a 2nd time. in less than 3 weeks tropical cyclone freddy, unleashed more powerful whims and torrential rain over the weekend. at least 100 people have died in malawi and in laboring mozambique. and those that headlines that he's continues here on al jazeera after the stream, which is coming up next in the face of a cost of living crisis, the u. k. chancellor is set to announce his spring much it, but with thousands of civil servants set to strike overpaid conditions. will jeremy 100 be fools to announce money the public services? $1.00 of the story as it breaks on al jazeera. i welcome to the stream. i'm josh rushing. people across france had joined huge protests against president emanuel microns proposals to raise the minimum
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retirement age. unions are pledging to keep fighting after the plan was approved by the senate. today we look at the standoff between workers and the government and asked how this bill could change life in france. ah, joining us today from parents as gayle martinez. she's a spokesperson for unions and to call solid air, which represents a group of french trade unions. also in paris as coal spangler is a journalist, an analyst who covers labor in politics and france. and ariane bo gain is a professor of french politics in north ambria university. she joins us from new castle in the u. k. also joined by you in this conversation, you can join it by sending us your comments, your questions for our panel through our live you to chat, which you can see right there. all right, let's 1st go to the protestors. i want to hear what they had to say, so we can roll this piece of video.
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awe about women too. you're still asking mac round to listen to the workers. he's playing death until now, but he has seen that there are a lot of people that these reforms are really being rejected by all workers. he must step back. we are asking him to withdraw these reforms are due to cover. yeah, i just think that well, no more, i know that the government does not listen to its people, but i'm hoping that this protests will be useful. in any case, if we do nothing, things will not change. so we have to be here and we must show that we're not giving in. the government doesn't want to get in either deleted around the mongolia human movie. hey, call. thanks for joining us today. can you catch us up with some of the latest developments? yes, so we've had nearly 2 months of math protests going back to january. we just saw one of the biggest mobilization since the movement began, according to government, 1800000 people nationwide turning out to protests that last week,
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more than 3000000 according to unions. and we've also seen the opposition to the pension reform. it would raise the minimum level again from, from that minimum eligibility age from $62.00 to $64.00. we've seen opposition stay pretty steady, around 7 and 10 french people opposed to the reform. but we have seen, also change in really the last few days is the government move along with this reform. we thought the senate gives a thumbs up to a version of the bill. and now we could have a joint parliamentary commission between the senate and the national assembly, taking up that bill on wednesday. it looks like and then a vote in both chambers potentially as early as thursday. really a pivotal, a few days here coming up for the government and also the movement against the pensioner forms. we have another way to protest that scheduled on wednesday, another big day unions calling it to turn out in 4th. and then in the meantime, rolling strikes that we've seen
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a number of different sectors across france. the railroads. we've seen garbage men go on strike here in france. the effects are in paris, excuse me. the effect of that are quite visible. we've also seen refining, rigorous, a lot of protests still under way. well, thank. so speaking to the government, we actually have a comment from chris christopher weisberg. he's a minister of parliament, check it out. so in france, our pension system is public. so in order to pay retirees for their pensions, you need to have active people to pay a retired. and right now we have 1.7 active people paying for one retired person. 50 years ago it was 341. and when the system was created, it was for, for one. so you can see that this system in order to work out needs more workers and more people working. and this is precisely why we have to do is perform as the
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math, as simple as that. a system that was built for, for workers to support each retiree now depends on $1.00 workers to support them. yes, there is a demographic problem. yes, we know that the system might need to be a change, but what people i say in front, but the vast majority of people are staying in france, is that the way this reform has been done is unfair. and that there are other ways of doing it that the government chose to increase the time and age fine. but there are other ways of doing it including taxation. so yes, there is a problem with demographics. we know this, but to just say the only solution is, you know, was longer is wrong because there are other solution and that's what the people in the street are because it is saying guy out here, you're not in your head. jumping on that. yeah. yeah, of course they are or the solutions if the government say that there is
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a demographic problem and that we need to find money to sustain the the system. but that's not true if you can find money elsewhere issue and talk to the profits. for example, we know that dividends so grow you by year. so we can the money that way. we know also that tax evasion can. i can also be somewhere where you can find money, tax vision, friends, since or something like a $100000000000.00 euros each year. so let's take the money where it is. ok, so it seems like everyone might agree on the problem, but just not the solution to it. why does the government game so focused on the singular solution? gail? just and i just wanted to, to add that to about the demographic problem that the committee
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of the new i was who had translated in english, the retirement to orientation committee said that in this, in the next years the, the sustainability of, of the, of the system is not in question, so just put forward just don't, don't need though. you don't have to solve the problem now is what is not what you're saying? no, the problem is not in the, in the next year the committee said that most of this is not the an issue around you know, if i can, then you can check it. you know, yes, there is a probably long term, you know, and when you're, why has the government decided to do the way it is the political decision? if you decide that you don't want to decrease branches, which obviously is the right way to do it. but more importantly, if you decide that you don't, you touch tech station that you don't want to make companies contribute that you don't want to make retired people. and especially to well say,
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retired people contribute. then there is only one solution which is to raise legal age. a government is wrong is to say that this is the only solution is the only solution what you have dismissed everything else. i want to get another piece of video here. these are from a, some students and women processors here took the cell the fun he only because i yes . yeah. and for women who work hard time or have precarious contracts and who will therefore have smaller pensions. it is not their fault. it is not their personal choice or their economic choice. they are subject to assist in that pushes them to take care of domestic tasks, to look after their children, to look after their home. and therefore they have to work part time. they will suffer this when it comes to their retirement, like with a sample of a school, what they say pension reform won't affect students. but in truth, if it concerns every one, even young people, we will be affected. if it's going to be pushed back to 64 years afterwards, it could be pushed back to $66.00 or $69.00. it can go on indefinitely. obviously
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it's happening now too. so that's why i mobilized it affects my parents. the whole family likes a little busy whole. is this affecting different groups of people in unfair ways? yeah, i mean that's certainly what protestors, i think it certainly what the majority of the french public believed that this reform is disproportionately hurting the lease to a law in french society. so if you think about the people that are to be sent to benefit the most from retirement at the end of their career talent of their career, we're talking about blue collar. manual workers. people working difficult job, physically grueling jobs, construction. people that are janitors, people working in factories and these are the people that are essentially being asked to shoulder. the burden of that political decision made by menu in my, on that area was, was just referring to. so blue collar workers across the board stand to lose the most from this or form and you can look at other categories the population as well . we saw there is of international women's day protests against this or for me as
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well because women, particularly mothers, tend to lose for mr. form. people have to take time off from their professional lives in order to help raise children. they're going to have to suffer from this for mr form as well. and you could go down and look at immigrant workers as well. i thought collective of undocumented workers as protesting parents. they disproportionately work these, these tough by low, waged blue collar jobs as well. there in your talk to the right, what you say, i think the phone is also the fact that already know their life expectancy once you retire your health condition, once you retire is very, very different. when you are a good color worker and only configuring so often people to, to, to why people longer than the disparity of life expectancy and health condition would be even higher. so that's an additional additional source of unfairness
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about how it's deceived by the population girl. yeah, and also we know that in trans today, edgen gould health is around 63 years old. so if you go on kion 64, then you know that when you arrive at the retirement age, then you have a really, a lot of risk to be healthy, not to enjoy the last 2 years of your life and not what, what people want in friends is the want to leave, they want to enjoy the last unit and they just don't want to survive. life is already really difficult today because of inflation because of working conditions for all the workers as you said, i. and so just want to enjoy life, and that's not something i'm volleyball, just to think of what i want to read 1st. i just like i'd like to, well,
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you know, it's very well into people, you have to work longer. we already have a problem with high rate of unemployment among older people. so you know, if you are told to work to extra. yeah. but there's no job for you. then what are you going to do? you're going to be an employee to, to, to, to, to, to, to worry that people. huh. yeah. kyle: yeah, and i wanted to add also that the government says, but you will, you will be able to change work. if you are, if you have a difficult job, you will be able to change shop. but i mean, if you haven't been all your life long, something like maybe i don't know, a garbage man. and you deal with that. you won't, you won't be able to change at 62 or 64 because of unemployment. and because you won't find anything else, and because your, your body will be completely broken and your mind will be broken and does no
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solution. i want to rip on the way. this is someone i think there are twitter no there in the youtube rather to call flower child messages. and they say, i hope not. i don't want france to become america, please know. and i kind of get this, not coal. just philosophically, like, are people in france saying, wait a 2nd, we're more than just cogs in the machine like we actually want to live our lives and enjoy it. maybe outside of providing to the economic system the whole time. yeah, i certainly think that what we're seeing with the protest movement is that, you know, this goes beyond the question of just just retirement itself and pension itself. that's coming that both the left wing opposition and the craziness and the government can agree on that. this debate has gone beyond just the precise question of retirement reform, you know, and i think that's why we think so much opposition to this is well in france. but if you look at the, if you look at a manual my course presidency, he taken
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a number of policies that a doctor, a number of policies that tend to benefit lead the wealthier people in france and the lower segment of the population. people that are earning less money, don't do a benefit to those changes. you can go back to the beginning of my cost presidency where we're in. it's very 1st year upon being elected. you scrapped, frances, taxed on a wealth which applied to people with, with 1300000 euros and more and assets. he impose labor law reform to make it easier to lay off workers. he's been opposed to hiking the minimum wage. so when you look at all these measures and then you say, well on top of that, the government's asking you to work a few years longer to finance. again, that political choice that they made, people perceive it to be to be very unfair. so they look at the overall context of my call and they also look at, you know, really the question of work to insurance, which is certainly under, you know, under inspection with that, with a movement, an age used to be 60 right and start cosy, brought it up to $62.00 over
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a decade and you know, right, did, he pays the same opposition? oh, yes. it was. was it 14 or 15 days of action? you probably know better than me. yeah, it was the people on the street where you went to, it didn't work, you know, the pensions the pension went through, but they were already, you know, decision, resist, willingness not to go to 62. and i think the difference with today is 21. no one said that it was about just about social justice about it was we have to face the system specified. was the big mistake for me that the government has done this is to claim that it was done in that i just don't, i'm offended. it took about 5 minutes without to rumble, because people perceive very quick click quickly. sorry, i'm very clearly,
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that is not the case, but yeah, it happened in 2010. and so what happened if we have another reform time now? and of course, that go far to go and then we'll go good. okay, good. just to get a little bit more context on that. on that last point we were discussing, you know, if you, if you listen to the left, if you listen to the later movement in friend, they consider the right to be able to retire with dignity to be really a pillar of social progress, something that they've thought for, for decade speaking with, with n p 's who are opposed to their form. you know, they said that they put this in a long history of, of the fight to have less time. or just because me to have more time away from work . you know, the fight to end child labor than winning the right to the weekend, then winning the right to retirement and lowering the retirement age to 60, which we saw under contact me to hold a 1st social as president in the history of the french 5th republic. and then like
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you mentioned, faculty moving the opposite direction from 60 to 62 and so they view my call. the latest reform is mr. pose reformatory that the latest step in the, in are in an erosion of the social progress progress. people have been fighting for for generation, so it really goes beyond just again, this specific issue of, you know, this sort of technical calculation of 60 to 64 guy on have you jump in next, but i just want to bring out i want to, i want to tell the viewers that we did reach out to the government for a response on this, we didn't get it, but we actually do have a bit of the video from oliver brand. he's a government spokesperson here. listen to this bill. you know, list of all we will not give up on our pensions. reform. we are taking account step by step of all the signs that allow us to consider that we will be able to have our pension reform adopted. and therefore, we are continuing on the path we've embarked on that as consultation with political parties, and we will get there. so he seems pretty confident. what would you say about that?
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well, i think the government is not continent had all. that's because that's why blocks the vote on the scene 8. and then he, well, the government there is teela. rumors about using the article 49.3 of the constitution which permits which allows the government to impose the b l without without a formal vote. in both assemblies. so i wouldn't say that the government is confident i. we know that the government tries to, to impose the thing which is what we call a denial of democracy. the government doesn't want to eat what the people in the street need. don't want to really talk about the read the unions. the unions, the all of the unions in friends wrote prison on my phone last,
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which answered that he wouldn't meet the union. why? if, if he's not worried why wouldn't talk with the union's just, you know, said with more than 3000000 people in industries for the, for the, for next last last week and, and people in protest for 2 months now. we think that he is not confident and that's not because the low will even be voted on on thursday that the the protest will end, the contestation will end. that's not right. the anger in friends is really, really big today because of everything that calling explain. well i want, i want to bring in a erin zaleski, she's a freelance journalist and she has a little bit different view of it. let's. let's see what she has to say. background
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is not backing down the have the impression that more french people are resigned to the bill pushing through and becoming law and while the majority support be ongoing strikes, i think okay, don't quote me on this. i think it's about 56 percent. some people are feeling strike fatigue. for instance, ordinary people who just want to get to work in the morning are getting tired of the train in the metro cancellations. there's garbage piling up on the streets of paris. and at the end of the day, people are starting to feel that the strikes aren't gonna make a difference. the government's going to push his agenda through anyway. so why punish ordinary people? going to respond or answer it, raising their hand area and go for several points. first of all, i agree with what i didn't catch to him anyway with what just seems to be so formal resignation, but will remain 2nd article 49.3 oven. so that it didn't process
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part of the constitution. but the optic are going to be parable is it that the government uses it. and finally, i agree with go, but i don't think that government is super confident because it will really come down to 2 or 3 vote. there's going to be a lot currently right now behind the scene, calling up and paid and tried to convince them. so it is going to be really tight. it might end up using article $43.00, which going to few anger even more. but i agree that it has been the feeling that it will go through anyway. and we see that in the polls called the strike fatigue. there is the trash piling up in pairs. yeah, i mean, i think the trashes is piling up in paris, but that doesn't necessarily mean necessarily mean people aren't supporting the movement. i mean, i think that that 56 percent number that was quoted is interesting. 56 percent of people support open ended strike to end to block the pension fund. that's
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a pretty radical proposal. i think if you look at it, people thing they support open ended strikes, meaning that they're willing to have a personal sacrifice in order to stop this bill from, from being approved. so we have another big wave of protest on wednesday. i'm now we're seeing images of, of some of these, some of these blockade the, i think with the government wanted, was for people to very quickly turn against the protest movement. quickly turn against the sort of hardening of the protest movement or them adopting more radical tactics. trying to blockade refineries, you know, having these open and instruct, we haven't seen that happen. and again speaks to the anger and so, you know, perhaps pulling also shows that people expect the building to pass. but i think people also oppose it, and i think will keep pretty big turn out for that for that next day of strike on wednesday. go on to our youtube body. and here the rest of the world is watching their comments about the netherlands, i think is there age at 67 now? so i, i, they certainly see the pulling for the workers there your area and you,
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you are going to say, no, i mean, i would just say that this week is over. no one ever for the union to really put the government back. and when i'm not saying that the bill goes through, there won't be any more progress. but once that absolutely crucial and gala, don't know if you could tell us whether you think that move strikes or go into effect, those are going to be affected. but dr. is no, never put a unit of the government and i think they'll be edge of the kind of situation because the numbers going to be really, really because what do you think? yeah, we expect to let us fire people on strike. and in the protest on wednesday, when we knew that in railway, for example, and, and people as till now when you were, was tried i. it's also the case when i write the refrain, reese and were're sectors that are on strike every day and,
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and we intend to have a huge, huge protest 100 state cove got about a minute left. what should international watchers be watching for their francy? which way this is going to go? yeah, me, i think one of the, one of the other takeaways from this movement is, is we've heard so much about sort of this, this dominant political opposition in france being between a menu in my call and the far right, the incarnated by marine la, penn. i think what this movement is showing is, in fact there is a, another source of opposition to macros policy and it does not come from the far right. it comes from the labor movement. it comes from the left. these forces that people assume to be dead. actually are quite alive and actually can speak to the, to the, the preoccupations as concerns of the majority of the french population. so player movement is alive, the left is alive regardless of what happens as both this week. i get a reminder we did reach out to the government for a comment on this. they chose not to be a part of it next time i hope they will be. we will continue watching this
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a jessia smiling through the coals. tamara and her colleagues at the school for peoples with special needs, wants to pay royce that meets the rising cost of living and keeps people in the profession with these teachers are making sure that jamal i heard on what is clearly a sizable demonstration, very lumber, and the real sidewalk, wave of industrial action taking in various parts of the economy, calling on the government for pay arises, that meets inflation if there is no. so hey, we likely to be seeing more protests look just from people like tomorrow, but work as in other key professions who enjoy brought support from the public. ah, a rising death toll on destruction laid back the effects of.
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