people, a veteran head of rail security says that mistake wouldn't have happened in the days when 3 people sat in this room. and as other wash had brush, there used to be an experienced train driver and an experience train inspector who sat with a traffic coordinator. they were in contact the station master's and train drivers across the country. if any mistakes happened, they were fixed within 2 or 3 minutes. he had a new train in away with that institution in late 2020. what is it with your line hellenic train is the hellenic railways. organization subsidiary that runs greek passenger trains. it was sold to the italian state railways group in 2017, to cut costs. the italian management abolished route checking inspectors on trains over examiners. if the inspectors duties had been left intact, train $62.00 wouldn't have left the station on the wrong track. and if he had, he would have used the emergency brake. yeah. if the italian company doesn't want

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manuel mac rollins proposals to raise the minimum retirement age. unions are pledging to keep fighting after the plan was approved by the senate. today we look at the standoff between workers and the government and asked how this bill could change life in france. aah! joining us today from paris is gail martinez. she's a spokesperson for union sin to call solid air, which represents a group of french trade unions also in paris as call spangler. he's a journalist, an analyst who covers labor in politics and france. and ariane bull gain is a professor of french politics and northumbria university. she joins us from new castle in the u. k. also joined by you in this conversation. you can join it by sending us your comments. your questions for our panel through our lied you to chat what you can see right there. all right, let's 1st go to the protesters. i want to hear what they have to say. so we can

roll this piece of video. ah, about 112, you're still asking mac ron, to listen to the workers. he's playing death until now. but he has seen that there are a lot of people that these reforms are really being rejected by all workers. he must step back. we are asking him to withdraw these were 4. i'm sorry to discover your pleasure. sicklerville no more. i know that the government does not listen to its people, but i'm hoping that this protests will be useful. in any case, if we do not think things will not change. so we have to be here and we must show that we're not giving in. the government doesn't want to get in either deliberately mongolia, human movie. hey call. thanks for joining us today. can you catch us up with some of the latest developments? yes, so we've had nearly 2 months of math protests going back to january. we just saw one of the biggest mobilization since the move and began according to government,

1800000 people nationwide turning out to protest last week, more than 3000000 according to unions. and we've also seen the opposition to the pension reform. it would raise the minimum level again from, from that minimum eligibility age from $62.00 to $64.00, we've seen opposition stay pretty steady. around 7 and 10 french people opposed to the reform. what we have seen also change in really the last few days is the government move along with this reform. we thought the senate gives a thumbs up to a version of the bill. and now we could have a joint parliamentary commission between the senate and the national assembly, taking up that bill on wednesday. it looks like and then a vote in both chambers potentially as early as thursday. really, a pivotal dates are coming up for the government and also the movement against the pensioner forms. we have another way to protest that scheduled on wednesday, another big day unions calling it to turn out in 4th. and then in the meantime,

rolling strikes that we've seen a number of different sectors across france. the railroads. we've seen garbage men go on strike here in france. the effects are in paris, excuse me, the effects of that are quite visible. we've also seen refining, rigorous, a lot of protest, you know, still under way. well, think so speaking to the government, we actually have a comment from chris christopher weisberg. he's a minister of parliament, check it out. so in france, our pension system is public. so in order to pay retirees for their pensions, you need to have active people to pay a retirement. and right now we have 1.7 active people paying for one retired person for 50 years ago. it was 3 for one. and when the system was created, it was for, for one. so you can see that this system in order to work out needs more workers

and more people working. and this is precisely why we have to do is perform as the math, as simple as that. a system that was built for, for workers to support each retiree now depends on $1.00 workers to support them. yes, there is a demographic group. yes. we know that this system might need to be change, but what people say in france with the vast majority of people are staying in france, is that the way it is, reform has been done is unfair. and that there are other ways of doing it that the government chose to increase from time and age fine, but they are all the ways of doing it, including taxation. so yes, there is a problem with demographics. we know this good to just say the only solution is you know, well, non good is wrong because there are other solution and that's what the people in the st opinion is saying, die out here. you're not in your head. jumping on that. yeah. yeah,

of course they are or the solutions if the government say that there is a demographic problem and that we need to find money to sustain the the system. but that's not true if you can find money elsewhere issue and tax profits, for example. we know that dividends so grow you by year. so we can the money that way. we know also that tax evasion can, can also be some way you can find money. tax vision in trends since or something like under a 1000000000 euros each year. so let's take the money where it is. ok, so it seems like everyone might agree on the problem, but just not the solution to it. why does the government game so focused on this singular solution girl? just i just wanted to, to add that to about the demographic problem that the committee

of the new to had translated in english and the retirement to orientation committee said that in this, in the next years the, the sustainability of, of the, of the system is not in question, so just put forward just don't, don't need though. you don't have to solve the problem now is not what you're saying. now the problem is not in the, in the next year the committee said that must be both. this is not the an issue around you know, if i can interject here, you know, yes, there is a problem long term. you know, and when you ask, why has the government decided to do the way it is to political decision? if you decide that you don't want to decrease pension, which obviously is the right way to do it. but more importantly, if you decide that you don't want to touch that session,

that you don't want to make companies contribute that you don't want to make retired people and especially to well say, retired people contribute. then there is only one solution which is to raise legal age where the government is wrong is to say that this is the only solution is the only solution what you have dismissed. everything else. i want to bring in another piece of video here. these are from a, some students and women processors here. it took the so the fun he only did, could i get the best in for women who work hard time or have precarious contracts, and who will therefore have smaller pensions. it is not their fault. it is not their personal choice or their economic choice. they are subject to assist in that pushes them to take care of domestic task to look after their children, to look after their home. and therefore they have to work part time. they will suffer this when it comes to their retirement, like with both of us for what they say, pension reform won't affect students. but in truth, if it concerns every one, even young people, we will be affected. if it's going to be pushed back to 64 years afterwards,

it could be pushed back to $66.00 or $69.00. it can go on indefinitely. obviously it's happening now too. so that's why i mobilized it affects my parents. the whole family likes a little busy whole. is this affecting different groups of people in unfair ways? yeah, i mean that's certainly what protestors, i think it certainly what the majority of the french public believe that this reform is disproportionately hurting the least well off in french society. so if you think about the people that are gonna be sent to benefit the most from retirement at the end of their career, the talent of their career, we're talking about blue collar. manual workers. people working difficult job, physically grueling jobs, construction. people that are janitors, people working in factories and these are the people that are essentially being asked to shoulder, the burden of that political decision made by menu in my, on that area i was just referring to. so blue collar workers across the board stand to lose the most for mr. farm and you can look at other categories the population

as well. we saw there is, are there national women's day protest against this or for me as well? because women, particularly mothers, stand to lose for mr. form, people have to take time off from their professional lives in order to help raise children. and they're gonna have to suffer from this for mr. for me as well. and you could go down, look at immigrant workers as well. i thought collective of undocumented workers as a protest in paris. they disproportionately work these, these tough by low, waged blue collar jobs as well. they're in and let you talk to the right what you say. i think the phone is also the fact that already know their life expectancy once you retire your health condition once you retire is very, very different. when you are a good color worker and only configuring. so if you are people to, to, to watch people longer than the disparity of life expectancy and health condition

would be even higher. so that's an additional additional source of unfairness about how it's deceived by the population girl. yeah. and also we know that in trans today, edgen gould health is around 63 years old. so if you go until 64, then you know that when you arrive at the retirement age, then you have a really lot of risk to be now thing not to enjoy the last 2 years of your life and not what, what people want in front is they want to leave, they want to enjoy the last unit and they just don't want to survive. life is already really difficult today because of inflation because of working conditions for all the workers as you said i and so just want to enjoy life and that's not something unbelievable. just to think of the way i want to read 1st. i just like

i'd like to, well, you know, it's very well into people. you have to work longer. but we already have a problem with high rate of unemployment amongst the older people. so, you know, if you are told to work to extra. yeah. but there's no job for you. then what are you going to do? you're going to be an employee to, to, to, to, to, to, to worry about people. ha, girl. yeah, and i wanted to had also that government say, but you will, you will be able to change work if you are, if you have a difficult job, you will be able to change shop. but i mean, if you haven't been all your life long, something like maybe i don't know, a garbage man. when you do that you won't, you won't be able to change ad 62 or 64 because of unemployment. and because you won't find anything else. and because your,

your body will be completely broken and your mind will be broken and does no solution. i want to rip on that. this is someone, i think there are twitter no there in the youtube, rather to call flower child messages. and they say, i hope not, i don't want france to become america, please know. and i kind of get this, not that they go to philosophically like, are people in france saying, wait a 2nd, we're more than just cogs in the machine. but we actually want to live our lives and enjoy it. may be outside of providing to the economic system. fulltime. yeah, i mean, i, you know, i, i certainly think that what we're seeing with the protest movement is that, you know, this goes beyond the question of just of just retirement itself and, and pension itself. that's something that both the left wing opposition and the trade unionists and the, the government can agree on that. this debate has gone beyond just that this precise question of retirement reform. you know, and i think that's why we're seeing so much opposition to this is well in france,

that if you look at the, if you look at a manual, my close presidency, he's taken a number of policies that adopt a number of policies that tend to benefit a leads the wealthier people in france and the lower segment of the population, people that are earning less money. i don't see the benefits of those changes. you can go back to the beginning of my cost presidency, where we're in his very 1st year upon being elected. he scrapped frances tax on a wealth which applied to people with, with $1300000.00 euros and more and assets. he imposed labor law reforms to make it easier to lay off workers. he's been opposed to hiking the minimum wage. so when you look at all these measures and then you say, well on top of that, the government's asking you to work 2 years longer to finance. again, that political choice that they made, people perceive it to be to be very unfair. so they look at the overall context of my call and they also look at, you know, really the question of work or to, and frank, which is certainly under, you know,

under inspection with that with the movement and the age used to be 60 ryan circle z brought it up to 62 over a decade ago. right. did that he place the same opposition? oh yes. it was. was it 14 or 15 days of action? you probably know better than me. yeah, it was the people on the street where you went to, it didn't work, you know, the pensions the pension went through, but it was already, you know, decision, resist, willingness not to go to 62. and i think the difference with today is that in 2010, no one said that it was about justice, about social justice, about it was we have to face the system. that specified was the big mistake for me that the government has done this, is to claim that it was done that i just don't understand it. it took about 5

minutes without to unravel because people perceive very quick click quickly, sorry, and very clearly that is not the case, but yeah, it happened in 2010. and so what happened if we have another reforming time now? and of course, that go far to go and then we'll go good. okay, good. just to get a little bit more context on that. on that last one we were discussing. you know, if you, if you listen to the last to listen to the later movement and friends, they consider the right to be able to retire with dignity to be really a pillar of social progress. something that they've thought for for decade. speaking with, with m. p 's who are posted their form. you know, they said that they put this in the long history of, of the fight to have less time or 2 piece. because me to have more time away from work. you know, the fight to end child labor than winning the right through the weekend. then winning the right to retirement and lowering the retirement age to 60, which we saw under contact me to hold the 1st socialist president in the history of

the french 5th republic. and then like you mentioned, faculty moving the opposite direction from 60 to 62, and so they view my call. the latest reform is mr. poster formerly that the latest step in the inner, in an erosion of the social progress progress people have been fighting for for generation. so it really goes beyond just again this, the specific issue of, you know, this sort of technical calculation of $6264.00 guy on have you jump in next, but i just want to bring out, i want to, i want to tell the viewers that we did reach out to the government for a response on this. we didn't get it, but we actually do have a bit of the video from oliver brand. he's a government spokesperson here. listen to this, the build new list of all we will not give up on our pensions, reforms. we are taking account step by step of all the signs that allow us to consider that we will be able to have our pension reform adopted. and therefore, we are continuing on the path we've embarked on that as consultation with political

parties, and we will get that. so he seems pretty confident. what would you say about that? well, i think the government is not continents at all. and that's because that's why blocks the vote on this innate. and then he, well, the government there is teela. rumors about using the article, $49.00 of the constitution, which permits which allows the government to impose the bill without without a formal vote in both assemblies. so i wouldn't say that the government is confident i. we know that the government tries to, to impose the thing, which is what we call a denial democracy. the government doesn't want to eat the people in the street. they don't want to really talk about the read the unions. the unions,

the all of the unions in friends wrote prison on my phone. last reach. he answered that he wouldn't meet the union. why? if, if he's not worried, why wouldn't talk with the unions just, you know, said with more than 3000000 people in industries for the, for the, for next last last week and, and people in protest for 2 months now. we think that he is not confident and that's not because the low will even be voted on on thursday that the, the protest will and the contestation will end. that's not right. the anger in friends is really, really big today because of everything that calling explain. well, i want, i want to bring in a lisky. she's a freelance journalist and she has

a little bit different view of it. let's. let's see what she has to say. background is not backing down the heavy impression that more french people are resigned to the bill, pushing through and becoming law. and while the majority support be ongoing strikes, i think okay, don't quote me on this. i think it's about 56 percent. some people are feeling strike fatigue. for instance, ordinary people who just want to get to work in the morning are getting tired of the train in the metro cancellations. there's garbage piling up on the streets of paris. and at the end of the day, people are starting to feel that the strikes aren't gonna make a difference. the government's going to push the agenda through anyway. so why punish ordinary people? go to respond or answer it, raising her hand area and go for several points. first of all, i agree with what i didn't catch to him anyway with what just being said. that seems to be so formal resignation, but will remain 2nd article $49.00. and so until democracy is

part of the constitution. but the optic are going to be parable is it that the government uses it. and finally, i agree with go, but i don't think the government super confident because it will really come down to 2 or 3. going to be a current bill right now. a lot of behind the scene calling up and paid and tried to convince them. so it is going to be really tight, mind using article $49.00, which going to few anger even more. but i agree that has been the feeling that we will go through anyway. and we see in the polls called the sense of strike fatigue . there is the trash piling up in pairs. yeah, i mean, i think the trashes is piling up in paris, but that doesn't necessarily necessarily mean people aren't supporting the movement . i mean, i think that that 56 percent number that was quoted is interesting. 56 percent of people support open ended strike to end to block the pension reform. that's

a pretty radical proposal. i think if you look at it, people thing they support open ended strikes, meaning that they're willing to have a personal sacrifice in order to stop this bill from, from being approved. so we have another big wave of protest on wednesday. i'm now everything, images of, of some of these, some of these blockade the, i think with the government wanted, was for people to very quickly turn against the protest movement. quickly turn against the sort of hardening of the protest movement. or you know them adopting more radical tactics, trying to blockade refineries. you know, having these open and instruct, we haven't seen that happen. and again speaks to the anger and so, you know, perhaps pulling also shows that people expect the building to pass. but i think people also oppose that, and i think we'll keep pretty big turn out for that for that next day of strike on wednesday. go on to our youtube body. and here the rest of the world is watching their comments about the netherlands, i think is there age at $67.00 now?

so i, i, they certainly seem to be pulling for the workers there your area and you, you are going to say, no, i mean, i would just say that this week is no one ever, no one ever putting in to really put the government back when i'm not paying the bill, go through. there won't be any more progress, but went up through the crucial and gal. i don't know if you could tell us whether you think that more strikes are going to affect. those are going to be affected, but dr. is no, never put a union with the government and i think they'll be all the kind of situation because the numbers going to be really, really, really tight. what do you think? well, we expect to let us fire people on strike. and in the protest on wednesday, and we knew that in railway for example, and on people as till now when you were was try. i also the case in iraq,

the refrain, reese and well down sectors that are on strike every day and. and we intend to have a huge, huge protest on wednesday cove got about a minute left. what should international watchers be watching for their francy? which way this is going to go? yeah, me, i think one of the, one of the other takeaways from this movement is, is we've heard so much about sort of this, this dominant political opposition. france being between a menu and my call and the far right, the incarnated diet by marine le pen. i think what this movement is showing is, in fact there is a, another source of opposition to macros policy. it does not come from the far right . it comes from the labor movement. it comes from the left. these forces that people assume to be dead actually are quite alive and actually can speak to the, to the preoccupations as concerns of the majority of the french population. so player movement is alive, the left is alive regardless of what happens in his book this week. i get

a reminder we did reach out to the government for a comment on this. they chose not to be a part of it next time i hope they will be. we will continue watching this important story on al jazeera english as it unfolds. and we'll see you back here at the train tomorrow. thank you for joining. ah, a ah, a a

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