he that runs greek passenger trains. it was sold to the italian state railways group in 2017, to cut costs. the italian management abolished route checking inspectors on trims over examiners. if this bets his duties had been left intact, sir train 62 wouldn't have left the station on the wrong track. and if he had, he would have used the emergency brake. yeah. if the italian company doesn't want to enforce a safety rules, they can return the shares in hellenic train under the greek states. go home. hello latrene didn't respond to our requests for comment. what's clear is that the greek state failed to install 21st century safety technology, and that the italian train operator cut stuff with safety rules. 57 people died in the crash real expert, so was utterly avoidable. jobs are awful, us al jazeera atoms. ah,

just a quick look at main stories of falling now, and the us is condemned, or it called a reckless maneuver by russian jack that brought down one of its valence trans mannequins. as the russian fighter jack collided with the propeller of the american drone. as it was flying over the black sea, south of ukraine, u. s. military sat, the unmanned craft was over international waters and posed no threat. russia's defense ministry has denied its jack came in contact with the drown, saying the u. s. drone crash tutor, sharp maneuvering state department is summoned at the russian ambassador over the incident. this incident demonstrates a lack of competence in addition to being unsafe and unprofessional. u. s. air forces in europe, air forces, africa, routinely fly aircraft throughout europe, over sovereign territory and throughout international airspace in coordination with applicable host nation and international laws. in order to bolster collective european defense and security, these mission support allied partner and

u. s. national objectives. as the u. s. air forces in europe, air forces, africa, commander emphasized and european command statements, quote, us and allied aircraft will continue to operate in international airspace. and we call on the russians to conduct themselves professionally and safely. al several people have been wounded in clashes, but thin pakistani police and supported the former prime minister in ron khan, who are blocking his arrest, police to fight gas and water canada. hundreds, of course the porters gathered outside his home and the whole fucking stones interior minister said on tuesday that com would be arrested by the end of the day . 2 prime minister is facing several charges including corruption. the death from trump will fight from friday in malawi, mozambique, and madagascar has risen to 220 after ripping through southern africa for a 2nd time. in a month, 190 of the dead are in malawi, which is declared a state of emergency after devastating floods in landslides,

while mature logical organisations as it might have broken the record for the longest tropical side. were you more on that story that later on in the news our that's in about 90 minutes time, but the stream is the program coming up next, looking at the mystery surrounding the missing malaysian airlines flight 370 talk. the law will the law, when with neither side, willing to negotiate is the ukraine war becoming a forever war is america's global leadership, increasingly fragile. what will you s politics look like as we had to the presidential election of 2024. the quizzical look us politics, the bottom line with hey, welcome to the sri mom, josh rushing to day, the mystery surrounding the missing malaysian airlines flight 370 nearly decade

later, the disappearance remains unsolved. let's take a step back. remember what we know about the case on march 8th, 2014. mh 370 was flying from column port to beijing when it disappeared from radar over the to south china sea. on board 227 passengers and 12 crew members. because satellite data had last recorded the plains location, heading westward toward the indian ocean and international search effort lasted there for 3 years, but yielded no new evidence. 9 years later, there been no bodies, found no fuselage, no black box, no proven answers, and yet still so many questions. and with us to try to answer some of those questions in new york city were joined by jeff wise and aviation journalist and doha, alex becerra us and aviation analysts, and florence de shockey, an investigative journalist in hong kong based foreign correspondent for le monde. welcome to you all, alex,

i just want to begin with you. i gave us facts that are 9 years old. what are some of the updated facts that we know since then? i know there lot of theories out there, but to some of the things we can actually accept as fact very few. and that is why this remains one of the greatest mysteries because ordinarily, over a period of time that is past. i mean, we've had the end of the such 2017. we're now in 2023. there are almost no updates . what we do know is that there have been credible examples of debris that have been linked with case numbers to have been linked to the m h 370 across the burn, triple 7 that was involved in this flight. but since that, that has been no such and a continuation in a starch operation, the militia government has not renewed its commitment to such. and they say that they are just waiting for credible evidence. but of course, if there is no entity out there searching for credible evidence, and what updates are we going to have? so the answer is that between the end of the such and now not while i was check out

the trailer for, there's new series on netflix as 3 episodes that dives little deeper into this way of breaking is melita air life confirmed that as la contact with a plane, very few 127 passenger seems to vanish with what you were told of family members with linkedin, i see where it is up to. so i'm imaginable. i fell on p, shed it a believe, get denial about the plea and having some sort of fresh move. sorry, food is supersonic cushman over you more. what happens next is like a rip in the fabric of reality series about the missing plane, heartily virus possible it was hide. all right, so we actually are joined by 2 of the people featured in that documentary before we go there. we're also joined by you if you're watching live on youtube, i want you to join this conversation, get some questions to me, so that i can get them to our guest and we already have some questions. so i'm

gonna go to youtube now and bring and let's, let's bring in. this is maria renee says maybe the pilot was depressed and took everyone down with them. maybe went through trauma when he was young. florence will come to you to talk about the pilot, and there was another one about the pilot. they want to bring as well. the said somewhere out there, someone knows the truth about $77.00 of me, maybe that's maybe that's true. let's see. so florence, let's begin with you because it seems to me the most obvious explanation has to, to involve the pilot. but you've actually looked in to the pilot to mit. tell me what you think about what you know bottom well, just like you, when i realized i was going to dig a little bit deeper in that story and that was just to revisit the 1st anniversary of the disaster. i went back to quite a new pool and i gave myself a week to find out who exactly was this man because there had been so many

rumors, so many, all kinds of crazy stories about him, his personal life, his political commitment that i moved and everyone knows that on a, on a plane, the keepers and the pilot. right. so i wanted to clear that and i can't describe the feeling i got saw early in my research. i, i actually remember it physically thinking was a relief. i never soaked, i would get. so quickly, the conviction that this man is absolutely fine, he was kind, it was not the best of mine. you don't want to hear that you just want a good man. and not only it was good in his mind, in his health, in he's in his life. he was also an excellent fondest and i've seen some people who said, look, if you ever added trouble in a plane, you want. i re,

did their friend. he's friends used to call him ari. you want captain's a hurry, shaw in the cockpit. so once you know that you have one of the best pilots, most trustworthy reliable guy in the cockpit, it narrows enormously the potential of what may happen to you. now, i tried my best to clear his name during all these years, and i must say i am a poor and sidon and ashamed that ease name, not only has not been clear, but has actually been actively smeared by different reporter, including jeff, i'm afraid o to these day who's faking you go, i mean, he's fake scope to the day. he's still on internet available to accuse him as the greatest country. and this is an enormous shape to me because i'm, i'm partly reliable. i mean, get you off the thing that jack did,

but she's very sorry for his family and for everyone. and i think the families of imagery 70, they do know by now, most of them that harry harry shackleton's a hurry. she was a good man. and this is a key thing, and if i can stop by another dollar correction or just that we've alex and that shows you how much misconception and how much misinformation, there is a round the story. actually the debrief that i've been validated. highly, probably my he can, we couldn't get back to that later. is it, i mean, is it, if virus is it problematic? when, when we know, i mean is, is it, would you accept the fact that pot, at least part of the debris in 8 cases have been linked with the same serial number? i mean, of course, if we, if we're going to be speaking with the, with, with respect to, to the family situation and the captain, if we're going to treat that as a fact and rule things are, why are we ruling out that why, why are we not taking seriously the fact that deborah, from an h 370 has been categorically linked,

you know the 8 cases with the same serial numbers that are consistent with the exact triple 7 involved. that's the part of the document i wanted to come to you about actually what, why should that not be taken seriously? i mean, alex with no offense. i don't think you are fully aware of the situation with the debris defense there brewery was a flap room. fine in your reunion island, right? um and the other that was eventually vetted by the, by the french and a if you look at the, you look at the report, it's a 100 pages. and, you know, immediately they say immediately that they do not vouch for the proven all because the proven, also as been declared by your political statement. and everything about these flood prone is highly problematic. first of all, the fact that you to ride in reunion, you know, after 15 months off floating you, you won't know why because it's

a broken piece of composite material. it managed. sure for me. then finally, as we forget, i'll since i got it, and i get the suggestion that there are questions of that, you know, the, the way in which it appeared. and, and of course the coincidence is that you guys both explored in and in the documentary, but do you accept that there are categorical, factual examples. all the serial numbers being the same of international aviation organizations confirm that there was a link. absolutely not. and you know, it's, it's extraordinary to read in the report from the australian that they dare to see that they thought it was not necessary to check these piece. we've boeing. i mean, if there is one entity on earth who would have been able to say, well, yes, this is truly a piece, not just from a b triple 7, but from imagery 70. it might have been boeing. and for some reason you australians, i thought that it was not necessary. i mean it's, it's a bunch bigger guys. off identifying this piece. i want to bring jeff and jeff,

you've looked at this thing for years and years since it happened were can, can you talk about these pieces? and they've been categorically, categorically identified as belonging to that or point? well, i think it's important to maybe pull back a little bit understand why we think what we think. ok. so most of the search is predicated on the 7 pieces of satellite data that in mar, sat discovered, quite to their surprise that they had in their possession they'd been recorded automatically after the plane had disappeared. nice. if you've watched the documentary, you understand that at 1st, most people will leave that the most likely thing that the plane had crashed right there over the south china sea. and then they subsequently found the use radar returns that suggested plane had flown to the west and then disappeared again. so the plan actually disappeared 3 times effectively. and so the whole mystery really hinges on this, this set of mar sat data that once it really is, i think it's important for people understand. no plane had ever transmitted data

like this before. this plane had found itself, ne, in an unprecedented electrical configuration where it was only broadcasting this kind of very arcane metadata. once the in march, that scientists figured out. and they understood how these signals had been generated. they did some very stamp. they had to basically invent this math to figure out what it meant and what it meant. once they rolled up their sleeves and did it was at the plant had gone south. ok, so he, in marseilles data unequivocally says the plane went south and wound up in a pretty tight area in the southern indian ocean. now a major problem with that is that when they search that area and it's showing, no aircraft was found and they haven't really explained why they haven't found it. i have my own ideas and why they didn't find it. you can watch the documentary and find out my explanation. just a quick point of clarification for us said that i have insulted her by implying that he committed suicide. i actually have explained away that he might not have taken it. there is a way that he actually was a victim of a hijacked by somebody else. and so i actually agree with their, i seems like

a nice guy and i written it some way. i think she's, i had written about how investigators had found i pads on his home simulator that's i was reporting that i didn't create that or make that something that happened. i wrote about it. so i just want to make it clear that i, that, that to me is that, that piece of information actually one's counter to the theory that i have kind of publicly become associated. so it didn't really do me any good to talk about this. but just to clarify, to, from my perspective the, the home simulator data is against my theory, but i don't find it as positive. i think it could actually just be a coincidence. this case is so strange when you really get down into the nitty gritty of it. there is no one simple explanation that that in a simple and easy way tells us what must have happened. there's a lot of weird stuff we have to really, really dial down into it to really understand, you know, the, i found

a story doing some research on this that isn't included in the documentary came out in december. and it's about another piece of debris that experts say suggest that the, the plane, the landing gear was lowered before it hit the water. and they said it would take an active pilot to do that. so i have you guys looked into into that i have so i can i familiar with that piece of evidence. ok. basically there's people that are kind of running around and kind of throwing in their $0.02 in the media. at this point, there's kind of marginal media that will just take any random person's claim and run with people who are more familiar with the aircraft. parts of have read the claim and kind of dismissed it. it may well be a piece of m. s 370. but this idea that you're able to prove all sorts of things about the crashes. i just it, i would consider it not very serious of florence. you're jumping in there. oh well about her, you know, the fact that her, some people more than others have very,

a gifted i finding a flat salmon jet. sam on a very regular bees are to me. i mean, it does not make sense for god's sake. i mean, i, i'm a sailor, i actually live on a boat, or i'm on to see more often than on land. and i know that you do not get, ah, basically debris floating for thousands of miles a year's lead there things sink. unfortunately, andy's debris hands that started almost 2 years actually after the plane had crashed. and remember that 50 days after or the crash tonia. but not that is that the greatest the person to to call it. but anyway, it did say that was common sense that after 50 days, everything would be would her log the end without saying by now, yet, 500 these liter, we start finding a fight, a flap room. and 2 years later, we start finding all kind of our fur booter of clean debris. sorry,

it makes no sense. well, let alex i want to ask you, let me bring an a comment from you to business from ask when come are and says, does the black box not admit signals to be located after the crash? yes, it does. i was just really somebody about this earlier today, but i'm sure you're going to talk to alex a good go fordox. oh, should i say that it does, and those, you know, they signals what when, when not detected are members in the very early days that they, they thought that they were hearing something, although they were discovering those, those out committees like pings up to the, to the surface but, but no, and no, no black box has been found. and what i think, and this is the issue i have with the netflix documentary, is that i'm not sure they left enough room for the facts because the facts, there are very few of them because we simply do not know. and i think it's ok to be able to say, we do not know because we do not know. and we know the malaysian government and a the cause for the result of the return of the,

of the search and things that conversation can still take place while also admitting that there is very little we know. and because we do not know a lot, i think we should immediately be taking a variety of different theories and somehow treating them as close to facts than the other. when the facts are so few an a not so kate, this is an unprecedented aviation mystery because of the nature in a way that this, if and if i me a jump in here. i like that. we don't know all the things ease highly in itself. problematic any cheese or clue, you know, there is a good a saying with discounts i think, which is that raising tracy's leads tracy's. and when i started my investigation, i essentially had to look for all the, a raised tracy's. and so you don't find the fact you find the missing facts, because if that m h 370,

had you turn had flown over these 7 of species had crushed in the indian ocean. we would have all this evidence that we don't have. and so at some point, you have to ask yourself why as malaysia not been able to provide credible and consistent of read are image same for, i mean asia, clayton and also re senior radio or. and if it's not, if they don't have the facts and if they don't have the images, et cetera, it's because the playing was never there. remember has well, if i can add another i can, i can fly flux not, it doesn't say, well just let me finish. this just isn't. it is with imagery $70.00 also flew over the pen ang at the butterworth air base internet, which is supposedly under australian command. they did not scramble jets with a rogue b triple 7 flying. 2 on the roof, the only good explanation for that is because there was never a massive

b rogue or plane on above their head. so just just bringing a bit of common sense and not let's not say that this is too technical. a big triple 7 is not technical, it's massive. it's as big as a building and 239 people is not technical. all of dismissing is not minute and is not microscopic. it's massive. oh i look, i want to bring again why it's not ok to not know and that's for the loved ones of these more than 200 people that are just gone missing. that's a face worse than death because there's no closure to it. here we actually have a comment from, from one i'm, this is great not hm. who watches? so much has happened in these 9 years. there was a baby who wasn't born yet. one of the next of kin was expecting wind mean disappeared. and that baby who was in bonnet is now in school. i think our again may be extended to already 8 years old, 9 years old. and that's how much time has passed as me, who was

a student at the time. and now a my, the so much has changed where people here who have become grandparents will become buyers, become husbands. 9 years is a really long time. but i think what we've always tried to see said image 317, not history. it's the future. because if we don't know what happened to him, it's 378. we cannot prevent it from happening again. so it could aid us, but more it could be any one who bods a plane, and that is something that should be prevented at all costs. this is not a mystery that should be left in the street forever. it's just, it's just not acceptable. yeah, for more than 200 people. they just stopped but they haven't died. there's no carry with them or i think she's as, i think she so right. you know, we can find a higgs bows on, we should be able to find a $210.00 foot long airplane. and to the idea that like hey, there's so much, we don't know. we don't know. we don't know. i have argued for 9 years that

actually there is a lot that we can do with what we have in here. we have the radar data. we have the in mar sat data. we have a, we know a lot of information actually. and even the failure of this, of the c bed search is itself a very important and significant dataset. so what can we do? i feel that we can move forward. i don't, i'm not willing to say that this is a 9 year old cold case. i want to move forward. i think there's 1st of all, and i think this, this documentary is an important 1st step to explain to people that look, we have a very rich dataset when it's hard to understand. and i really need to kind of break down and explained for you. what is this in marsetta? what is a b, f o data? what is b t o data? what does it mean? how do we use it? what does it tell us? it's, it's not data like people have ever encountered before. it works in a slightly different way. and it leads us to have different, i think. and i just say well might just, yeah, something like spanish and i just that can i tell or the audience that the realize

that these are famous in my sad that i, which i know from a very good sources from the beginning to be flowed. number one, as never been used before, to locate the plane number 2 as a, as not achieved to locate a painting 9 years. and number 3 as never been tried to look at the plane again. so as far as i'm concerned in my said, that thought is good for the does been and whether it has a can you or he needs to say? is that a well that it is something that you want to wait? hold on, alex. i hold alex that 30 seconds to finish lawrence, and then we're going to come to alex, finish lawrence, please. so basically whether he took some value then whether he sees related to another plane or to some extent to him, which he $70.00. i've also had all kinds of explanation, but in all we cannot try and find 259 people on the base of a sheet of data. that's not good enough, alex. i just, i don't see. i think his,

we're in a dangerous place if we are absolutely stating on air is fact that image that data is flawed. 0, one thinks it's flawed. the other one thinks it was vague, you know, at, with respect and questioning how if the i coughed is not there, it's because it's not there. and you know, do, do we really need to revisit the subject of the size of the southern indian national, the indian ocean, you know, as a. busy ho, this was where i took issue with netflix from a platform being theories that in some aspects what you know, okay, you could, oh theories are on the table because there is very little that we know. on the other hand, we can't be seen a throwing out opinions. you started your centered self with as far as your consent . and that is absolutely true. that is your opinion, that as far as you are concerned, but we can't be treating this as well is no it's, it's less of a just an h. yes. dr. geisha was not least because of what we just heard from the families where they all the ones caught up in this rollercoaster, clinging on to every what and theory instead i one dot did with legitimate wonder

why there hasn't been more epa of governments to come together to resume the such why we haven't had china applying pressure on malaysia given there was so many chinese nationals on board to resume the such. we are in even my clinician, today's like we are, we are in a different place in 2023 than we was even when the search engine in 2017 with intervention with technological advancements. i think, you know, of course to action cross government for little bit of unity just for the sake of the, the on board. the $200.00 on board would be where i would like that conversation to shift not to continue to for that. if it's like this, and if it means that then it means it's simply a fake door or quote good for the dustbin, which we ought the investigators have. what with the dates that have had, and you guys are familiar with the date set. i just think we're in a little bit of a dangerous place if we stop immediately claiming it to be an outright lie. it's not an alex, i'm sorry it's absolutely. i don't see such an outrage. i don't make such an outrageous claim. likely. it is based on

a lot of research and needs based on excellent information that i got early on. and later on i keep receiving people. former employees off in my site will try to convince me and to explain to me that the what he must have did with these that that doesn't make any sense. so, and i'm like, thank you guys, but i've worked that out already so i'm not wasting time anymore. honda, in my said that i'm not seeing the slightly, i know it's a becoming to make, but i think it's very important to clarify, at least indeed athens i am. come say florence, after i got it, i've got to stop you because i've got one minute left in the show and i really want to ask jeff a question. and unfortunately i don't have time to set up your whole theory. jeff. but part of it depends on the point being able to be flown from the avi onyx room or cabin and the point, do you believe that this point could be flown from that, where the avionics are on the plane and i've got 40 seconds to walker. i think

jeff's frozen alex can appoint, be prone front blown from the avionics cabin. no, absolutely. okay. that, that's why you know, this is why there's been such a backlash and a from, from the industry to that very specific claim. i know. yeah. i'll give you the quick on that note. perfect short answer alex, i appreciate it because we are at the end of the show, but not the end of the story. it's only 9 years on the search will go on until these $200.00 plus families have an answer about what happened with their loved ones. thank you so much for joining us today. we'll see you next on ah ah,

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