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speech against sub saharan migrants and refugees from africa. the outrage follows xenophobic statements by tunisia, president i studied and other officials using anti black racist rhetoric. today we ask what's driving racism and violence against black people in tunisia and what can be done to address it. and of course, we always want you to join the conversation. so be sure to share your thoughts and questions with us on you to ah, joining us to discuss all this from tunis journalist elisia holcman with us from the car. how like cc activists and co founder of voices of black tunisian women. and also with us from tunis, amena galilee, deputy regional director for the middle east in north africa for amnesty international. i thank you ladies for joining us so much to discuss in today's show . i want to start with the basics for those who don't know what's happening, elisia, could you tell us what's driving the crack down on migrants here?

well, this is a police or accident buyer. black people i think he became aware forms for construction probably should be another 300 people have been arrested in the rescue and what the police are saying. but i says this is actually ridiculously difficult because people waited and they shot especially when police station

and they were supposed to be so kind of an explosion. fire. right. i think so. so so you know it's been going on for a long time. that context is certainly needed and i want to ask you how, i mean, when we talk about the context within which this is happening. we've seen these statements from the president, but there's also a broader economic context, right? people are suffering from social economic, political turmoil, our black migrants, and maybe even other black people living in tunisia being scape coded here. yeah, so i was like, my correct and my name. i'm how like 6060 i appreciate that work. well, in fact, i agree or what's happening indonesia, it's smoking rule, but i would,

i would like to contextualize a little bit because disney junior and anthony j a has a she in ration and then also acts. but this time it was institutionalized and the brilliant made the statement that accentuate this ration so early. in fact, i think that the response of the president is produced response. it's a classic you know, it. then we have the, we miss hill this everywhere in the word. and i think that the economic situation, the fact that tunisia are renew suffering from a huge economic crisis. and it's a grieving every day. it's so classic itself down there. do you see it everywhere? people always look for something to post for, for someone to put the burden on. it does act that took saroyan and black persons and migrant. and the research is,

are now in tunisia and they are visibly different. and we have, this is derrick in the early dodge of her agent of the great asian in phobia we always as she acts of racism. so i think that that the economic situation and the president statement made it worse for subsiding as we can migrate. and this is using to media, right? so i was gonna, i was gonna ask, you know, the perception, and a lot of the red x rhetoric seems to suggest that black migrants are taking over the country that there won't be a country laughed for others. i just want to clarify and the street, you know, larry madeau are saying there are 20000 subs aaron africans in tunisia compared to a population of 12000000. so not taking over the president's comments. echo the great replacement theory that's popular in right winged european and north american circles. he's being accused of racism. so is, is this, am that to you?

an example clear cut where the president is inciting violence against black africans and tunisia. oh, thank you for the question. i think it is quite clear from the statement of the presidency that the words that he used and the words were in he uttered and those that his you know, like that were published on his new official page. definitely. and can be interpreted as inciting violence because he didn't only, you know, like, mentioned that illegal, you know, like, and documented my words should be migration should because all right, it was brought it but he said like things which are really very serious and which incite violence against the migrants he,

i accused them of being a sewing, he, you know, like violence in tenicia. um, become, you know, like, inciting, also crimes. and so his stigmatizing them, he stigmatizing more community. and this is what we call racism. you know, like, this is like typical racism, the president and his entourage and like the people who are very close to him, including the minister of foreign affairs. try to why was the president and tried to, you know, like, don't play the racist aspect of his words. but this is what we call racism, is accusing a whole population of whole community of being at the heart of the problem that account is going through. um, you know, using them as scapegoats, as you rightly you know,

like asked earlier on. i think it's really very clear that the president and the official intellect. this course of the, of the is yeah, are using the black community in black migrants from sub saharan africa as kate goes her to lean their own feelers to tackle emma nomic. and of course, and of course, to clarify for audiences it's migrants, it's refugees. and then there's also a broader implication about just black people in general. all right, and either go ahead elisa, it's actually been going to long for stereotyping and there is a thinking about passed the star jasper a who are a pension over a ship. these are the people who are paying in are here

in higher state. yeah, they pay for the show, they stated are 80 and the minister this is a big problem. a remaining people. yeah. very so. so if i mean, if i may, i mean we have a lot of people on you too. before, before you get started, i just want to say lou, ganz on youtube saying there's a huge identity crisis with nations of northern africa. when i 1st started living there 5 years back, i had a big culture shock. and there's a lot of other comments where people are just very disappointed to be seeing the rise and anti black racism. so i want to ask you, let's talk a little bit if we can hold about the actual conditions for black residence in tunisia, a researcher with human rights watch who specializes in refugee and my grandma

research. lauren sent us this video. take a listen which yet say human rights watch is spoken with over a dozen individuals. black africans who have been targeted for arbitrary evictions for violent assaults and other abuses. and people are currently homeless in need of immediate assistance and shelter. but also people need effective protection by state authorities to ensure that actually those who have committed these attacks will be investigated, arrested, prosecuted, and that parent africans and will no longer face arbitrary arrest and detention solely on the basis of skin color. color there seems to be a kind of dismissal that they says even happening like they keep deflecting that. the president seems to be maybe gas lighting. what do you make of,

what can you tell us about what it's like for black residence and teenager, particularly these, these migrants in refugees. so i will follow up. in fact, what has dual said about migration. i would like to resize that 18000 collision migrated to italy on 2023. so, and that's what explain racism because normally tunisia are migrant and they go over the word. but when it comes to black persons coming to geneva, it's different and we treat them differently. the president has another treatment for them. we had syria, we had the been to the 15th, but we haven't ever seen this kind of discourse. so, and in fact i'm, i'm not in the best place to talk about what research is or migrant from subside in africa. our faith in sure, i think that they are the best in a better position to talk about. but i will talk about what the black person

indonesia is didn't, and i mean, i was like, well feeling well i was, i was gonna say, i mean, you must experience harassment and abuse on your own credit. as it is, of course i would share something. it's not my story, it's not the story of all the black journeys really wondering because it's an institution. i think it's a historical and it's systemic racism for my sense when i you want to relate to migrant from subsiding every day. sometimes they think that i'm looking asian, and in this like 2 minutes or 2 seconds in which people think that i'm not donation . i receive a dub or aggression. when people think that or not from tunisia, they incent they at that they sexually harassing me. and when i speak in arabic, sometimes they say stories that they know. so it's so clear that there is growth discrimination and they want to look at it from intersection. atlanta,

it's grossinger, nasal people are facing the newer phobia and racism in the same time. people just at facing it in institutional level because the state made their statement about it and they were so clear about it. yeah. facing social discrimination by me and anything you look vaguely. so what they want to highlights year is that we are, we are in case it's so complicated case of cross discrimination solution you with the wondering migrant or if it is that complicated situation, they are facebook a grizzly and it's so frustrating for them. and it's so much realizing for them and, and, and at that intersection, all sort of angle that you just shared with us, i think, is important because i want to share with our audience some other things that are happening sort of socially around this online black tunisians like yourself are posting photos of themselves online with their tunisian passports and idea ideas.

and this is because black people are being warned and you know that they should be carrying their ideas in case they get stopped or harassed. so, you know, this is kind of a beautiful act of solidarity online amongst black tunisians, with the migrants and refugees that are kind of getting the brunt of it. now come from the institutions and authorities. and as we see these pictures, i just wonder, you know, i'm not i, a lot of this racism that we just heard outlined from color. a lot of this is ingrained deeply in tunisia and culture and dare i say arab culture. i mean, this comes from the slave trade and i just wonder if you could comment on why you think beyond that economic situations. is this just a taboo topic? is it something that's become so normalized? the way that people in tunisia referred to a black people?

oh, it is a double topic in the sense that it hasn't been, you know, like, analyze enough for through like studies or discourse like, you know, the course tracking this said this course now on tunisians. and whenever you talk to 2 nations, for example, they would say no, we are not tracy or we don't have that in that in our culture. and so it's really a double issue. but just what i just also wanted to mention then, despite the fact that it is somehow at that will issue and the, the fact that there is a lot of racism and it's ingrained in denisia that there were some steps forward in the leg from a legislative point of view to tackle this racism. so in 2018 tunisia enacted the was the 1st county in the middle east to enact

a law to fight racism. and this law basically prohibits you know, discrimination and prohibits also all forms of dead racism mom. now the mom you forgive me for giving him for giving me, forgive me, forgive me for jumping in, but you know, so the laws are on the books and this is not often something that's unusual in other countries as well. the laws there to protect them. but is it, is it actually being used, or is it more just, i hate to say it, but for p r purposes it has not been really used. it's just the p r for a p r purpose. because this slow is the result of the fight of hundreds of people, including people in civil society. people who are, you know, like a very hard for, or this low. and people who are in, you know, like a seizures or organization to fight this nation on racial basis. so it is definitely something that was a success story in the sense that the fact that you need to inactive be slow was

really very good. but the problem is, the implementation on the grounds and the fact that the institutions, indonesia are still not prepared to implement the slow yes, most, most certainly, and you know, i want to hear directly from some of these migrants themselves who are kind of explaining their precarious predicament for lack of a better way of putting it on, in this case a sudanese, and avoid an migrant take listen. alien will. little will, the situation is getting worse and worse when we walk in the street. people bully and insult us and ask us to go back home. the situation has become unbearable. we appeal to the you and hcr. enough is enough. as it is new, people do not one refugees. in india, we ask them to be repatriated even to niger or a wanda. chic looney,

shall have to live near yet. had the little wonder mckinley won't leave, did. everyone is free to live in an african country where all africans, why so much racism, you live in your peace in your country, but here we do not live in peace. if you see on that button it luca, i want you to muddle severely. i ask the present to see all the small problems. we are brothers, ivory, coast, muddy all africans. we are brothers. we must help each other. we must love each other. that's the most important thing, frank. what luck it don't let him. now at the same time how now of course we've seen a lot of solidarity protests. people are speaking out about this online. i, i wonder, do you think this is a flash point? where do you expect this to go as people search for solutions for solving to use as economic and political situation, but specifically this, this issue of anti black racism do in test? do you anticipate it getting worse? so to answer to your question and to follow up, oh, what am i said about the low?

in fact, i mean my sense as a black tunisian person to relatively privilege it. yeah i, i don't to refer to this no, and i feel it a complaint one time and it has been now 3 years that i didn't get the response. i would say that this. no, it's for our reason because tunisia is one of the 1st companies that a british slavery is the 1st country that, that implement a low against racial discrimination. i would highlight that there is another activity and we did a lot and we are located below for the snow. but this no is i would say that it's ink on paper because this no normally is following by social cultural, economic discrimination policy. and we don't see this discrimination, this discrimination police put in a complaint to have to pay, you know,

you have to pay, not that he's, you have to pay a lot of person. and we know that black persons are much in the life on the economic scale. they are the bottom of the economic of the economic a scale into an issue. so what i suggest as a solution and what it's, it's kind of what i, what i blame this for is the fact that they want to treat the complicated subject and they will. yeah. it's a complicated issue in the thank you with the low, it's ok, it's good. we are so happy we are protecting people. we didn't know yet when they have enough privileges to go and to benefit from this. no, but we didn't see any cultural approach of inclusion that we didn't know the 11th african. it mentioned that tunisia commit to put place national strategic to fight against russian discrimination. i don't need it so they don't

work at 20282018221 nothing older grass so so count, i appreciate you speaking so passionately and personally about your experience with this and you know, part of why we're doing this show is we asked our audience, for example, what they think this is about why this resurgence, elisia and kalak awesome, right here on twitter saying the main cause of racism is ramping injustices of any form of community further. the reason for this injustice is politicians are elite of that society, but they're blaming minorities to divert folks his attention from themselves. i think the same is true in case of tenicia. so it seems like perhaps the president or, you know, the government is losing political support. there was a time not so long ago that a lot of if i speak quite frankly, and candidly, a lot of young arabs looking to tunisia after the arab revolutions about a decade ago looking to it as sort of the last hope for

a more progressive board did democratize them democratic society that tide has shifted and i wonder, you know, we have a comment from a 20 year old, a very young, i believe, 20 or 21. a young tunisia woman named fed up but liffey talking about how shame factors into all of this and how it's a bit embarrassing what's happening. take a look. so now more than ever to asians are most divided between those who support the presidents, teresa statements and try to justify it objectively and others. and there are also, and unfortunately demonizing guy each other and down, accusing each other of not wanting what's best for their country. so there is also a feel and gather general shame, especially regarding teenagers,

image and in front of the world. so i'm wondering elisia 1st, you know, we talked a lot about how to nisha has achieved all these 1st. so you know, so to speak and whether it's being done for sort of public relations or managing reputation or not. i'm wondering. it's not a signatory though, to the geneva convention on refugees. it doesn't really have a formal immigration law like many other arab countries. so where is the hope for you in terms of changing things on the ground? i a because as far as anything i most of the saying owner or a civil society did she the day or a statement and they go to the back.

i noticed that the people and i think age a bed. i a, a, she's people have a chance that eating or a yeah. that's, yeah, that's a very bad. well, that there is a lot of hope that is coming to me from this conversation and certainly not the 1st or last that we're going to have here. it's a story that we hope to continue to follow along with your guidance, your expertise. i want to thank elisia holland and for being with us and to you for

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