sheeting thing they're speaking in the kremlin, of course, or the transmission and in very quickly there as he's hosted by the russian president and of course our, our correspondence. so we're listening. let's listen, take go to katrina. you in beijing and katrina. it seems that to present, she was short and sweet, ready with his speech, but confirming the very strong ties that he wants to make sure both russian and chinese audience is understand, is still very strong between the 2 countries. that's right, so he said that the russia trying to relationship is going from strength to strength . and this is mutually beneficial for both sides, especially when they work together in the areas of energy investments, trade people to people exchanges. and he said that the air is a corporation between beijing and moscow eroding getting wider and wider,

and you said that they have already been of it's cooperation and he told more about the chinese advantages in house isn't benefited china. so i think speaking to the chinese public care, said that it's been promoting high quality growth, and china is effort to modernize going forward. but he said that the ties between both countries are really help the development of both beijing and moscow and that he look forward to more deepening of those ties in the corporation that we had earlier as well from chinese state media talking about hi the, this is really the highest level of corporation that the 2 countries have seen and basically making the statement to the world. but china, russia ties this kind of rush relationship. it's here to stay with the fight pressure from the west or pressure from european countries a forward to weekend for rb aging. do use influence of russia to other ends that aging really is focusing on its relationship and not eulu to any other pressure

from the outside. but of course, katrina this visit, obviously very important to both need is that this covert moment in time, but no mention about the the issue of ukraine is not very short addressed by both leaders. ah, that's ready. i was listening for that, you know, mention of ukraine hassle. really focusing on specific issues between china and russia. i know that so st needed did. mentioned earlier that this was a complex issue. that student pink said that particularly to bruton into other russian leaders. if this is a complicated issue, i think that is very much china state media signaling that we may not see any concrete immediate fruits of that discussion. but really china is trying to get the ball rolling rather than setting any very, very high expectations here. katrina forest i in beijing. thank you and have cool. so we've just been showing you the joint or you might say press conference between

both president putin and present treating ping as the chinese leader visits. beijing gathers a whole raft to all information about the trade between the 2 countries. and that's increased by a $165000000000.00, but no mention of ukraine will get more analysis on this. in the arc 0 news, i wish somebody's aidan coming up in just a half now's time. but next is the stream to stay with us in north korea supremely to kim jones. sister is emerging as a likely successor. one. 0, one east investigate. north korea's most powerful woman on l. g 0. hey, welcome to the tree mom josh rushing to day. the mystery surrounding the missing malaysian airlines flight 370 nearly decade later, the disappearance remained unsolved. let's take a step back. remember what we know about the case on march, 8th, 2014. m

h 370 was flying from column port to beijing when it disappeared from radar over the to south china sea. on board 227 passengers and 12 crew members. because satellite data had last recorded the plains location, heading westward toward the indian ocean and international search effort lasted there for 3 years, but yielded no new evidence. 9 years later, there been no bodies, found no fuselage, no black box, no proven answers, and yet still so many questions. and with us to try to answer some of those questions in new york city were joined by jeff wise and aviation journalist and doha, alex becerra us and aviation analysts. and florence de shockey, an investigative journalist in hong kong based foreign correspondent for le monde. welcome to you all, alex, i just want to begin with you. i gave us back at or 9 years old. what are some of

the updated facts that we know since then? i know there a lot of theories out there, but to some of the things we can actually accept as fact very few. and that is why this remains one of the greatest mysteries because ordinarily, over a period of time that has passed. i mean, we've had the end of the such 2017. we're now in 2023. there are almost no updates . what we do know is that there have been credible examples of debris that have been linked with case numbers to have been linked to the m h 370 across the bar in triple 7. that was involved in this fly. but since that, that has been no such and a continuation in a starch operation, the militia government has not renewed its commitment to such. and they say that they are just waiting for credible evidence. but of course, if there is no entity out there searching for credible evidence and will update so we going to have so the answer is that between the end of the such and now not wow, ok, let's check out the trailer for there's new series on netflix as 3 episodes that dives

little deeper into this. where breaking is melita l i confirmed that is my contact, but a plane during 227 passengers seems to have vanished into the live. what do we tell the family members with linked order? i see where it is, but it is. so i'm imaginable. i tell i'm patient it a beauty denial about dupree and having some sort of fresh, i'm sorry to include with some cushman over, you know, what happens next is like a rip in the fabric of reality. to read about the missing plane or killing blind as possible, it was hide. all right, so we actually are joined by 2 of the people featured in that documentary before we go there. we're also joined by you. if you're watching live on youtube, i want you to join this conversation, get some questions to me, so that i can get them to our guest and we already have some questions. i'm gonna go to you to now and bring an let's, let's bring in. this is maria renette k says maybe the pilot was depressed and took

every one down with them. maybe went through trauma when he was young, florence will come to you ah, to talk about the pilot. and there was another one about the pilot. i want to bring as well, that said somewhere out there. some one knows the truth about 77, so maybe that's maybe that's true, let's say to florence, let's begin with you because it seems to me the most obvious explanation. hasta, tim balled the pilot, but you've actually looked and to the pilot to make tell me what you think about on what you know bottom well, just like you are, when i realized i was going to dig a little bit deeper in that story and that was just to revisit the 1st anniversary of of the disaster. i went back to the quello pool and i gave myself a week to find out who exactly was this man because there had been so many rumors. so many, all kinds of crazy stories about him. his personal life,

his political commitment, and that i moved and everyone knows that on a, on a plane, the key person is the pilot, right? so i wanted to clear that and i can't describe the feeling i got saw early in my research. i, i actually remember it physically thinking what a relief i never thought they would get so quickly. the conviction that this man is absolutely fine. he was kind, he was not the best of man. you don't wanna hear that you just want a good man and not only he was good in his mind in his health, in his, in his life. and he was also an excellent pilot. and i've seen some people who said, look, if you ever added trouble in a, in a plane you want, or i re did their friend that he's friends used to call him ari. you want captains

a hurry shot in the cockpit. so once you know that you have one of the best buy lot and most trustworthy, reliable guy in the cockpit, it narrows enormously or the potential of what may happen to you. now, i tried my best to clear his name during all these years, and i must say, i am appalled and saddened and ashamed that ease name, not only has not been clear, but has actually been actively smeared by different reporter, including jeff, i'm afraid. who to these they whose fe can you, i mean, is fake scoop to does they, he steal on internet available to accuse him as the greatest country. and this is an enormous shame to me because i'm, i'm partly reliable. i mean, get off this thing that jeff did on, but i feel very sorry for his family and for everyone. and i think the families of

imagery 70 the you know, by now most of them that harry is a hurry. shackleton's a hurry shy, was a good man, and this is a key thing. and if i can start by another dollar correction, or just the with alex, and that shows you how much misconception and how much misinformation there is around the story. actually the debrief that i've been validated are highly, probably my he can, we couldn't get back to that later. is it, i mean, is it, if virus, is it problematic? when, when we know, i mean is, is it, would you accept the fact that part, at least part of the debris in 8 cases have been linked with the same serial number? i mean, of course, if we're, if we're going to be speaking with the, with, with respect to, to the family situation and the captain, if we're going to treat that as a fact and rule things are, why are we ruling out that why, why are we not taking seriously the fact that debris from an h 370 has been categorically linked, you know the 8 cases with the same serial numbers that are consistent with the

exact triple 7 involved. that's the part of the document i wanted to come to you about actually what, why should that not be taken seriously? a minute. annex with no offense. i don't think you are fully aware of the situation with the debris. or the 1st there bri was a flap room. fine in your reunion island. right. um. and the other that was eventually, ah, vetted by the, by the french and a if you look at the, you look at the report, it's a 100 pages and notes immediately. they say immediately that they do not vouch for the proven all because the proven also as been declared by your political statement . and everything about this flapper is highly problematic. first of all, the fact that you to ride in reunion, you know, after 15 months of floating you, you wonder why because it's a broken piece of composite material. it managed. sure for me. and finally,

as we forget the islands, i got it and i get the suggestion that there are questions of that, you know, the, the way in which it appeared. and, and of course the coincidence is that, that you guys both explored in an, in the documentary, where do you accept that there are categorical, factual examples. all the serial numbers being the same of international aviation organizations confirm that there was a link absolutely not. and you know, it's, it's extraordinary to read in the report from the australian that the there to see that he thought it was not necessary to check the speech. we've boeing. i mean, if there is one entity on earth who would have been able to say, well, yes, this is truly a piece, not just from a b triple 7, but from imagery 70. it might have been boeing. and for some reason you australians, i thought that it was not necessary. i mean it's, it's a botch. ok guys, off identifying this piece. i want to bring jeff and jeff you, you've looked at this thing for years and years and had happened were, can,

can you talk about these pieces and they've been categorically, categorically identified as belonging to that or point? well, i think it's important to maybe pull back a little bit understand why we think what we think. ok. so most of the search is predicated on the 7 pieces of satellite data that in marseilles discovered quite to their surprise that they had in their possession. they've been recorded automatically after the plan had disappeared. if you've watched the documentary, you understand that at 1st, most people believed that the most likely thing that the plane had crashed right there over the south china sea. and then they subsequently found these radar returns that suggested plane had flown to the west and then disappeared again. so the plan actually disappeared 3 times effectively. and so the whole mystery really hinges on this, this set of, in my sack data that once it is, i think it's important for people understand. no plane had ever transmitted data like this before. this plane had found itself in an unprecedented electrical

configuration where it was only broadcasting this kind of very archaic metadata. once the in march, that scientists figured out. and they understood how these signals had been generated. they did some very stamp. they had to basically invent this math to figure out what it meant and what it meant. once they rolled up their sleeves and did it was at the plane had gone south. okay. so the marseilles data unequivocally says the plane went south and wound up in a pretty tight area and a southern indian ocean. now, a major problem with that is that when they search that area and notion, no aircraft was found. and they haven't really explained why they haven't found it . i have my own ideas and why they didn't find it. you can watch the documentary and find out my explanation. just a quick point of clarification for us said that i have insulted to hurry by implying that he committed suicide. i actually have explained a way that he might not have taken it. there's a way that he actually was a victim of a hijacked by somebody else. and so i actually agree with. there are, seems like a nice guy and i written it some way. i think she's,

i had written about how investigators had found i pads on his home simulator that's i was reporting that i didn't create that or make it happen. i wrote about it. so i just want to make it clear that i, that, that to me is that, that piece of information actually one's counter to the theory that i have kind of publicly become associated. so it didn't really do me any good to talk about this. but just to clarify, to, from my perspective the, the home simulator data is against my theory, but i don't find it as positive. i think it could actually just be a coincidence. this case is so strange when you really get down into the nitty gritty of it, there is no one simple explanation that in a simple and easy way, tells us what must have happened. there's a lot of weird stuff and we have to really, really dial down into it to really understand, you know, the, i found a story doing some research on this that isn't included in the documentary. it came

out in december. and it's about another piece of debris that experts say suggest that the, the plane, the landing gear was lowered before it hit the water. and they said it would take an active pilot to do that. so i have you guys looked into in into that i cannot familiar with that piece of evidence. ok. basically there's people that are kind of running around and kind of throwing in their $0.02 and the media. at this point. there's kind of marginal media that will just take any random person's claim and run with people who are more familiar with aircraft parts of have read the claim and, and kind of dismissed it. it may well be a piece of em, $370.00. but this idea that you're able to prove all sorts of things about the crashes. i just it, i would consider it not very serious of florence. you're jumping in there. oh well about her, you know, the fact that her, some people more than others have very gifted, are finding a flood salmon jet sam on a very regular basis to me. i mean,

it does not make sense for god's sake. i mean, i, i'm a sailor. i actually live on a boat, i'm on to see more often than on land. and i know that you do not get ah, basically debris floating for thousands of miles a year's lead though things sink. unfortunately, andy's debris hands that started almost 2 years. actually, after the plane had crashed and remember that 50 days after or the crash tonia. but not that is that the greatest the person to to call it. but anyway, it did say that was common sense that after 50 days, everything would be would her log the end without saying by now, yet, 500 these liter, we start finding a fight a flap wrong. and later we start finding all kind of our fur booter of clean debris, sorry, it makes no sense. well, it ality one out, let me bring in

a comment from you 2 bits from asked. one come are and says, does the black box not admit signals to be located after the crash? yes, it does. i don't really somebody about this earlier today, but i'm sure you're going to take the alex a good go products. oh, should i say that it does, and those, you know, they signals what when, when not detected are members in the very early days that they, they thought that they were hearing something, although they were discovering those, those out committees like pings up to that, to the surface but, but no, and no, no black box has been found. and what i think, and this is the issue i have with the netflix documentary, is that i'm not sure they left enough room for the facts because the facts, there are very few of them because we simply do not know when i think it's ok to be able to say, we do not know because we do not know and we know the malaysian government and they the cause for the result of the return of the, of the search and things that conversation can still take place while also

admitting that there is very little we know, and because we do not know a lot, i don't think we should immediately be taking a variety of different theories and somehow treating them as closer to facts than the other. when the facts are so few and not so kate, this is an unprecedented aviation mystery because of the nature in a way that this, if and if i me a jump in here. i like that. we don't know all the things ease highly in itself, problematic any cheese or clue. you know, there is a good a saying with discounts i think, which is that raising tracy's leaves traces. and when i started my investigation, i essentially had to look for all the a raised traces. and so you don't find the fact you find the missing facts. because if that m h 370 had you turn had flown over these 7. a

species had crashed in the indian ocean. we would have all this evidence that we don't have. and so at some point you have to ask yourself why or as malaysia not been able to provide credible and consistent of read are image same for, i mean asia, clayton and also really senior radio are. and if it's not, if they don't have the facts and if they don't have the images, et cetera, it's because the plane was never there remember has, well, if i can add another disliking fact that it doesn't say, just let me finish this just edition is dismiss imagery 70, also flu over the pin ang at the butterworth air base internet, which is supposedly under australian command. they did not scramble jets with a rogue b triple 7 flying over the roof. the only good explanation for that is because that was never a massive b rogue or plane on above their head. so just just bringing

a bit of common sense and, and not, let's not say that this is too technical. a, b, triple 7 is not technical, it's massive. it's as big as a building and 239 people is not technical. all of dismissing is not a minute and he's not microscopic. it's massive. oh, okay. i want to bring why it's not ok to not know, and that's for the loved ones of these more than $200.00 people that are just gone missing to face worse than death because there's no closure to it. here we actually have a comment from from one i'm, this is great not. hm. watch us. so much has happened in these 9 years. there was a baby who wasn't born yet. one of the next of kin was expecting when the man disappeared . and then b b who wasn't born yet, he's now in school. i think already and may be extended to already 8 years old, 9 years old. and that's how much time has passed as me, who was a student at the time. and now,

and so much has changed where people here who have become grandparents will become buyers, become husbands. 9 years is a really long time. but i think what we've always tried to see that image is 317, not history. it's the future. because if we don't know what happened to him, history, 78, we cannot prevent it from happening again. so today's us, but tomorrow it could be anyone who bods up name and that is something that should be prevented at all costs. this is not a mystery. there should be left in the street forever. it's just, it's just not acceptable. yeah, for more than 200 people. they just stopped but they haven't died. there's no contract with them or i think she's actually, i think she so right. you know, we can find a higgs bows on, we should be able to find a $210.00 foot long airplane. and to the idea that like hey, there's so much, we don't know. we don't know. we don't know. i have argued for 9 years that actually there is a lot that we can do with what we have the radar data. we have the in mar,

sad data. we have a, we know a lot of information actually, and even the failure of this, of the c bed search is itself a very important and significant dataset. so what can we do? i, i feel that we can move forward. i don't, i'm not willing to say that this is a 9 year old cold case i want to move forward. i think there's 1st of all, and i think this, this documentary is an important 1st step to explain to people that look, we have a very rich dataset when it's hard to understand. and i really need to kind of break down and explained for you. what is this in mar, set data, what is a b, f o data? what is b t o data? what does it mean? how do we use it? what does it tell us? it's, it's not data like people have ever encountered before. it works in a slightly different way and it leads us to have different, i think. and i just say, well, might just, yeah, something to explanation. i just that can i tell or the audience that the realised that these are famous in my said that i, which i know from

a very good sources from the beginning to be flowed number one as never been used before, to locate the plane. number 2, as another, as not achieved to locate a plane in 9 years. and number 3 has never been tried to look at a plane again. so as far as i'm concerned in my said, that thought is good for the does been. and whether it has a key to you, or he needs to say, is that a well, that is his thought. thumbs that you want to wait. hold on, alex. i hold alex that 30 seconds to finish. lawrence. and then we're going to come to alex, finish lawrence, please. so basically whether he some value then whether he sees related to another plane or to some extent to imagery $70.00. i've also had all kind of explanation. but in all we can not try and find 259 people on the base of a sheet of data. that's not good enough alex, i just, i don't see. i think his, we're in a dangerous place if we are absolutely stating on heiress fact that image,

that data is flawed. one thinks its flow, the other one thinks it was fake, you know, at, with respect and, and questioning how if the i coughed is not there. it's because it's not there. and you know, do, do we really need to revisit the subject of the size of the southern indian national, the indian ocean, you know, as a. busy how this was where i took issue with netflix, my platform being theories that in some aspects were you know, okay, you could, oh theories are on the table because there is very little that we know. on the other hand, we can't be seen a throwing out opinions you started your sentence off with as far as you are concerned. and that is absolutely true. that is your opinion, that as far as you are concerned, but we can't be treating this as well. no it's um, it's just an atheist. the geisha was not least because of what we just heard from the families where they are. the ones caught up in this rollercoaster, clinging on to every what in theory, instead i one dot it with legitimate wonder why there hasn't be more epa of governments to come together to resume the such why we haven't had china applying

pressure on malaysia given there was so many chinese nationals on board to resume the such we are in even my clinician, today's like we are, we are in a different place in 2023 than we were even when the search engine in 2017 with intervention with technological advancements. i think, you know, of course to action cross government for a little bit of unity just for the sake of the, the on board. the $200.00 on board would be where i would like that conversation to shift not to continue to throw out that if it's like this. and if it means that it means it's simply a fake door or quote good for the dustbin, which we are. the investigators have what with the dates that have had, and you guys are familiar with the dates that i just think were in a little bit of a dangerous place. if we start immediately claiming it to be an outright lie. it's not alex, i'm sorry it's absolutely. i don't see such an outrage. i don't make such an outrageous claim. likely. it is based on a lot of research and needs based on excellent information that they got early on.

and later on i keep receiving people former employees off in my site or try to convince me and to explain to me that the what he must have did with these that that doesn't make any sense. so and i'm like, thank you guys, but i've worked that out already so i'm not wasting time anymore. honda in my said that i'm not saying the slightly i know it's a becoming to make, but i think it's very important to clarify at least indeed as far as i am concerned, part after i got it. i've got to stop you because i've got one minute left in the show and i really want to ask jeff a question, and unfortunately, i don't have time to set up your whole theory. jeff, but you have a theory this explored in the documentary. people can go on there and watch it, but it, it is entirely based on someone be able to sneak into the avionic cabin and control the plane from there. is that possible in this type of aircraft? oh, you're frozen jeff. okay. alex, can you answer that? is that possible in this type of aircraft? no, absolutely okay. that that's why you know, this is why there's been such

a backlash and a from, from the industry to that very specific claim. i know. yeah. i'll give you the quick on that note. perfect short answer alex, i appreciate it because we are at the end of the show, but not the end of the story. it's only 9 years on the search will go on until these $200.00 plus families have an answer about what happened with their loved ones. thank you so much for joining us today. we'll see you next on ah ah a i is not

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