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month's head on collision between a passenger train and freight train. the crash killed, 57 people on the loss of loot services on that track and some longer roots still suspended. those are the headlines on our 0. do stay with us. the stream is coming up next. thank you very much for watching. in north korea, supremely to kim jones sister is emerging as a likely successor one. 0, one east investigate. north korea's most powerful woman on l. g 0. have a welcome to the sherry mom, josh rushing. government leaders and uganda. and tanza. nia say a major oil project supported by french and chinese companies will transform the region, but environmental activists. they will harm sensitive lands and undermine efforts to reduce carbon emissions from fossil fuels. in the 1st of 3 shows,

related to the global climate emergency, we're going to look at the east african oil initiative and see what it means for communities and the environment. ah. joining us for today's conversation, ernest bondo is executive director of the petroleum authority of uganda government organization. he's in kampala, patience knob, who color is a climate justice activist affiliated with fridays for future movement. she's also represented of the most affected people and areas, organization and completing our line up for me. gone in capital is ellison kado honda? he's an oil and gas lawyer and is also secretary of the uganda chamber of mines and petroleum. hey, there's one more person in this conversation that you, if you're watching this on you to help me out, join me, see the box over there. we have a producer there waiting to get your comments to me so i can share it with our guest and you and i will, we can do this thing together, right?

right now let me tell you about this oil project. there are 2 oil fields in western uganda that are now under development. what will eventually be the world's longest, electrically heated pipeline and will carry crude oil to appoint an eastern tanza, nia, export exports are expected and 2025. ernest, i want to begin with you tell us about the benefits of this project. thank you very much, and i'm happy to be on this show that you were watching me. well, thanks for being harassed. the oil projects i a and a very exciting and significant development opportunity for both uganda and tons. and here they are very significant because a one day investment, they represent over $20000000000.00 united states dollars, the investment. and this is in comparison to the g, d p. for instance of uganda, which is about $47000000000.00. they also significant because they are providing

opportunities for employment. tens of thousands of people are going to be employed on these projects. they also provide opportunities for skills development. they provide opportunities for, whoops, ah, provision of providing goods and services that is for companies and enterprise is they also provide opportunities for the training and capacity building of these enterprises. also importantly, they provide opportunities for technology transfer. these projects are not just going to happen in future. we are now seeing them happening, and that's why i said it was very exciting. earnestly can see people get, can i ask you because i've seen these products happen internationally over and over again. they promised local jobs, but then they bring in experts from other places. do you have a minimum threshold of that? the percentage of jobs that will go to locals there? where we think that's an area that is called a local content or national participation. and he said an area that uganda has

concentrated on and it does. and he has gone, said renting on i, the petroleum effect of uganda, which i hid, is charged with the responsibility of ensuring that national content happens. that weight supposed up. and, and i think we are doing quite well because the 5 areas that we are looking at specifically under local. but spatial is skews development. ah, employment ah, enterprise development, us building the capacity of companies. then provision of goods and services by these companies. and then technology transfer and what we're seeing so far, ernest, i got a country answer just a little bit short so everyone else can get empty. do you have a minimum percentage of employment that will go to locals? has one been said number? yes, yes, yes. what's the number in the national but special that we expect is 40 percent and we expect that this is the investment is going to be made. 40 percent is going to come to uganda and this is not just poured out of the box. we have x. okay,

as during the experiment period where we achieved 28 percent. so now now we have a 40 percent. ok posting. so risha. so we're talking 40 percent going to local workers as it is that is that good enough patience? oh, thank you so much and my name is patience. i'm from uganda. an effective to be off top of his chair. and i'm so disappointed by that miss being made by the picture again, the retail uganda. because 1st of all, this pipeline is to only benefit the rich, especially those in power and those that how can really access that benefee giving jobs to local communities. i don't think it will be as dated because we have seen these company not only like in that in such projects, but if any infrastructure, the bombing where they bring expense from other countries. because the contracts

have been taken off by, by foreign countries. and these, i don't think it will really suckle into communities in my, in my country is united ways. um, could i pass your, your the, your data that people did george hold on? i did go to 5. 0 clarify. clarify which point let. let's drill down on this patient with linsmith her earnest. what do you need to clarify that? i'm just saying that when we talk about local but special onto aspects, it has the national but special which is for the entire country. and it has community but special ah community, but special needs also measured. and already we are seeing about 20 percent of the national but special needs community, but special both in terms of employment. i didn't damsel provision of would some services. these are numbers that bit roy, i'm afraid of uganda measures and reports i'm, this is my joke. i want to bring in another video here. this is

a video comment patience and i'm to come right back to you, but this is from landry, an interstate interest day. he's worth 350 africa dot org. and i think he's touching on one of your points here. it rolled us it's her uncertain does, does oil and in come with st. paul development in both your gun in carson here for 3 men. reason. reason one is that both countries are, are minority. she who does in the joint project, we've respectively 15 percent her versus 70 percent said between our total and smoke are it's extracted model which make it really harder for the low chords. are to be the weird beneficiaries of it and officially the practitioner so leaving along our game plan route to 3rd one is how did both government again are going to prioritize and at in come if a directed towards our priorities, strategic areas like infrastructure, agriculture, tourism de could be

a real benefit, but if not, the wind full of from the project is likely to go to the country's leads, are growing directed into depth and interest payment for quasi duration of the minute in. so i live across the daresha. oh, hold on a 2nd, i gotta hold on a 2nd. harness. eleanor peyton, i'm let me finish where i haven't gotten ellison into the show yet. honestly, i get that did take apart for just a moment. fact, let's get everyone. if everyone else in the back the report to be brought pages, do you feel like now i want patients to finish her quote will come back to you or not. okay. so patience was landry. touching on what you were talking about, how the money will be shared here. honestly, i want to be frank with people who are viewing us here. that the money will not be equally distributed among the people, the people who are victims already. right now those ends up being displaced,

way have they not be compensated already asked you that have been compensated? it's not equivalent to what they really had before. this is actually evidence of the outcome of this. i'd like to vote this this pipeline before like setting it up, it was like a human population project. i don't know how much they will make these the right way because it is already been letting human rights children another level going to school because that there is, that can be benefited from a fish. i mean can not get that. you're going to school. people have those jobs and that job that played a job job up to go. if you was earnest, we got a whole happening and i'm not confident with what is happening. and when we look in that this whole system, the pipeline is an ecological disaster. it is also not minding the purchase

agreement that was a colon and even of the late delayed because when it comes to human resource, natural resources patients, well the aside, i feel like victoria is already i reasons very simple covering a lot of ground natural resources on patients, i want to break this down. sure. hold on ernest, i want to bring in some people who actually have a replacement book. let's bring in these 2 video comments from people who actually have taken a different perspective on displacement. pretty sure i don't when you to me it is not a bad project because it is changing people's life. the 1st impact that i have seen are you said in the village who were not going to school, they stayed at home and life was hard for them. but right now because of the projects, these have got jobs and they have money. and that is what i can see right now in my village, even if the money does not come to me, the use happens when i look a lot on my way to lot of money for some people will sign in to see that we are

going to take a little so with them to do lose their money. so they decided to fly. but fortunately, who's our ellison ellison, i want to go to you. we have one person there said that some people are benefiting from being moved. another person who said no, they're going to fight moving. and i also want to bring in for you this is a comment from our youtube audience named david a bog, who says, how would this oil exploration explore inclusive green economy by blending petroleum products with biofuels. and opening avenues for energy farming. if so at what ratio? can you answer that? allison with one so that maybe i could just go back to the composition in housing. and if i could also say good evening to those, we're watching osland. good afternoon. good morning. from where were they watching us from? i think the important thing is when you talk about the benefits of this project is to give it up. we'll listy realistic view. we can city or i'm said that um

some people are happy, cyclical and not happy. but ultimately what this project is supposed to do is suppose to, to bring development into uganda. thou just want an argument saying that some of the jobs that have been gotten at temporary jobs, and after those jobs, after those people down the temporary walk, then what happens to them at the moment they don't have jobs. so a temporary job and no jobs, better than temporary jobs. we have to understand that if we are going to develop our country for going to develop uganda, we have to look at development in a holistic manner. we have to understand that we have a resource in this country that needs to be developed. and once this resource is developed, it will bring of various benefits. this project is available upon the month. maybe it is under construction of that home address check invasion binary, which is the construction of our pipeline. those to does that, that integrated budget is about and commercializing gas making it liquefied

petroleum gas. at the moment, the moment we start production, our 100000 metric tons of liquid by petroleum gas will be available, which shall help to replace trees that are be wasted. i'll meet that, you know, must district to hamish, up on him. we must ellison distinguish between how many must distinguish between poverty, conservation and environmental conservation. hey, elephant. sorry, like bishops, that much, that in our interest near waldron kiss for public dickens of mission. how about else that number you just threw out? how many tons, did you say there would produce of liquid natural gas machine latest liquid? ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, thought you know, like in franklin, indiana, i thought my name is leanne and the emissions off a down of the over 300000000. the time of fiction? no, no, not sorry. i didn't hear you josh. that the emissions off of that that would that you're talking about would be over $300000000.00 tons of emissions of carbon into the atmosphere? no, no, no, no, no, josh,

i'll give you an example. if you google this, anyone can google this. norway produces 2000000 barrels of oil by di, but they are said to emit 33000000. by what science of logic is it that your gun does 200000 barrels will emit to mo, carbon dioxide than norway's. the figure 34000000 metric tons of carbon dioxide by yet is fiction. it is produced. fictitiously, it is the product of imagination, the highest order paid on fact, you know, that, that uganda oil project will produce not more than 15 kilograms of carbon dioxide for every banner of oil, which is lower than the global average pace. i'm fact, is that the entire argument against least african kudos by blake is an argument that is really written more fictitiously than allison one patient. can you respond to that? yes. um they stuck a bunch of uh, met and then go to emissions plus the low. you're going to go for development,

or rather, you cook is going to just what's the us? because what this i plant is cos truck to get used to meet again, that's an emissions it gets to meet that one. a community, georgia. we already had to bother with us. i was like so i can hear patients in the middle. got go, your patients, hold on, i'm going to come to you just next to you going to is that 12 level country when it comes to the climate crisis. people have already lost their life. people have those that culture as people have the tradition. people have on the already look that property. how much more legs should we lose already in the puts of car and my job is heating up. people are dying. thousands are dying down and you are continuing to, to support such an ecological and it's just such a claim. it won't in i'm making,

i believe that he does, should resort to something else. it doesn't go by not really. what's the book meant for you guys? it should invest billions of money in renewable energy because it is actually the cheapest, what to you, but they resort to profits, but not the people they resort to exploitation they but they, they resort to continue to continue to hold on young ladies. nation of this, these nations. i don't be name with the a call project and i believe this call project to western africa, not uganda on ok to come from here. if we all know you already got, you know, a long list of on a mission. listen, listen, listen we're, we're all talking over each other. no one's got you. what do you want to say? but i'm looking at are you too bought right now? we're going a lot of activity here. ernest, i'm gonna throw this question to you. this is from allen charity,

and i'm also going to bring in a video comment here before we go to ernest, stand by for just a 2nd. allan wants to know from our guest, the government of uganda and the petroleum authority of you got to have kept all the petroleum agreements confidential secrets from the general public, or citizens. i want to know why. ok now was bring in. baba berry, berry, j. he is an environmental activist here. check this out. lindsey custodian de la slick in africa is facing and lost danger because of this pipeline. that is, he did over 50 degree, says yes, drilling over $500.00, which is in lake alba has causing disruption in that she species. and the people that cleveland clinic have no way to have the likelihood. and when you talk about one of these, you are listed good organization network. we have been closed and we think that

december say i don't least pipeline is unnecessary yet. that was actually a picture of bob in arrested there. what's going on with the secrecy of the contracts? ernest josh did environmental standards. let me just talk about these fust. the environmental standards of the oil and gas projects. are they international one sit by the international finance corporation? this is what happens all over the world. so it's not correct to come to uganda, which is implementing this m standards and begin to give the impression that it's wrong. secondly, as i said at the beginning, the oil and gas projects in uganda, it developmental but unity. they're not a war like these people are trying to present because in a wall, the biggest casualties it truth. what we're listening to here is half truths. if i go to the income before i come for the agreement with the parties of uganda is not

just to focus on the money that will be. and when you said oil, they're 40. so of uganda is to make maximum benefit over there. but special ugandans before the oil comes out of the ground. and already we are seeing that out of the $6000000000.00 that has been invested close to $2000000000.00 has gone to uganda and companies. no country in the world would not appreciate an opportunity. like that when it comes to the i'll agreements being available. this international standard of transparency is the extract div industries transparency initiative. this is international standard. uganda is the member of this initiative and has made available the document in accordance with that initiative. members of parliament have these documents, the people who want uganda as agreements in the libraries. and when the websites need to go to need to show us agreements of countries that are best practice. pete,

the united states bt united kingdom, b, norway, where the album in. so those countries in libraries on websites. okay, aren't there, i'm going to bring him, peter, anybody want louisa from info corporate affairs, all. but that was done that officer from he's a corporate affairs officer from the do gone to national oil company. and it was the 2nd what he says about national parks in uganda, got put in and you got to execute it based on even my decision. but the assessment that have been executed at the highest level internationally. i'm the aim to, 1st of all, avoidance impacts with the natural habitats that have animals who haven't got the human beings and where we can't avoid. we minimize impact international international bugs, and that's where the under one national bank is affected. and we have made an impact to get to 0 point one percent on the land, and i saw this national park ellison, i want to go to you,

i'm showing the years my computer right now. this is from the new york times, and it is about the message that came out this week from scientists. i just want to read this quote. now i'm going to highlight this on my computer so that our viewers can see it. there is a rapidly closing window of opportunity to secure a livable and sustainable future for all this is backed by hundreds of scientists and 195 countries agreed to this one more part that it says here. the report plainly warns that the world is on track to exceed the threshold at least temporarily for the 1st half of the 20 thirty's. that's less than 10 years away. the actions taken during this decade will largely determine what happens for centuries to come. the secretary general is 9 nations antonio terrorist called it a quote, a how to guide to diffuse the climate time bomb. how can opening a new oil project, a new fossil fuels project,

not speed this up to date. thank you very much, just for that and then the trend, the fix my answer, how can opening up the new fossil projects. don't speed that up is up. frankly speaking, a very simplistic way of looking at it as we speak right now. the united states of america consumes 20000000 barrels of oil. patty, we are look talking about a project that is consuming 250000 barrels a day. it would, it would make more sense if watching america to cut its consumption by just a 1000000 barrels at t, though well is not livable for some people right now i had visions talking about you're going to being vulnerable to climate change. we only vulnerable more vulnerable than people in los angeles because of poverty were only more vulnerable than people in los angeles because of lack of opportunity, climate change and poverty are 2 things that need to be forced together. when what we, what we are being asked to do right now is to set

a new project student to come on board to meanwhile, historical producers counter that in the you, in the united states, that the people that are consuming 20000000 barrels of wealth at the should continue by both of us are consuming 37000 barrels should stop, you know, happening. josh was now alice. anyway, we're talking about cautious this new time consuming rather than production. and i don't think anyone would disagree with you. it was western countries who name the should lower their production and their consumption as well. yes. yes you just the point is, this is the point. is this on, on the thought elephant is this, are you increase? if you increase, we have seen, if you, if you sort of don't, don't bring your projects on board, let the price of well go up. we saw what happened last year when the appraisal will goes up. the only thing that happens is will companies become richer? joe biden said, one of the oil companies is rich of an god. what happens to the poor people, the higher the prices he knows of hear what you're saying, allison, but the scientists are saying we will not add more fossil fuels to the problem. we

need to reduce it. awesome. all control you josh. josh. the 3rd is antisocial. sadness. i must see josh does have to stand that and i would like to say that the agreement around a word is that you're going to transition from ah, foresee of fears to clean energies quickly. arnett won't come into the opening out when you come with a fence. he says that it's happening. is it happening fast enough moving from fossil fuels to green energy? no, i'm saying it's happening differently from each country. uganda's problem now is not forcing fears. uganda as biggest contribution to climate change is the cutting donald forests on this oil and gas project is actually going to help the cutting down old forest by having that going to be g used instead of jock or on failed. so you need to look into the 2nd guys. i think i've got to stop you there, ernest and i want to thank you, earn us ellis and patience for being on the show today with us all the time we have

now. look, we're not just looking at uganda, this is the 1st, the 3 shows looking at this. so join us for the 2nd show tomorrow, where we look at the global climate emergency. we're going to turn to alaska, where the oil and gas industry has a controversial new drilling project that the u. s. government has just approved. thank you for watching. ah ah ah, louise knows to move this

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