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to delay controversial changes, but he declares he'll still push ahead with the judicial overhaul. what does this mean for his government coalition and the israel? this is inside story. ah. hello there and welcome to the program i miss darcy, attain now prime minister benjamin netanyahu announced a delay to his controversial judicial overhaul after major protests across israel. on monday he said he's taken that step to prevent a rift in the nation. thousands of israelis took to the streets following news that netanyahu had fired his defense minister. you'll have galant, who had spoken out against his plans to change the judicial system. natasha name reports now from western in the face of protest growing by the day

a reversal by a prime minister not known for compromise. a former national responsibility from the will to avoid the rift within the people are decided to suspend the 2nd and 3rd reading from the law. in this committee tenure in order to give time to get to a broad consensus to pass the legislation during the next class it mon benjamin netanyahu gave way as the country face growing paralysis. with a nationwide strike closing airport schools, banks and businesses. tens of thousands filled the streets to voice, their frustration here. fighting for this edition, for an attempt to overthrow the judiciary. and they controlled by the cohesion will be thrown away from the table. and we are also asking that benjamin at the now will resign and take responsibility for what he has done to this country. but netanyahu's delay came with a price hard line. national security minister,

m r bank of years, said his party only agree to the delay in exchange for the formation of the national guard. under the command of ben rivers office. there were divisions within the ruling coalition, some called for uniting behind netanyahu. hope did you do so overhaul and diffused the crisis. others dug in saying they would not surrender to violate energy and the tyranny of the minority. the far right governing coalition and supporters say they will not have the vote or the state stolen from that. i think it is a tremendous mistake to stop the reform. however, i can understand because of the heat of the moment and the fighting that's going on the as to make a calculated decision. but, but that reform is an absolute necessity for this country to continue in a democratic press, left unresolved,

the post of defense minister. it was netanyahu's firing of yo of glad on sunday that brought the crisis to her. oh, as of monday evening, the light had not received a horrible dismissal letter. netanyahu has 48 hours to name a successor. natasha name el jazeera was jerusalem. ah, oh, well let's bring in our 3 guests from tel aviv. we have young, have cigar. he is the head of the pink front. that's in israeli protest movement calling for the resignation of the prime minister benjamin netanyahu from washington d. c. we have a lisa, pavel, she is associate director of the middle east programs at the atlantic council and from west jerusalem, jeremy sultan and israeli political analyst, and also a former connect at faction director for the amino party. a warm welcome to you all . thanks for joining us on inside story. now we've been watching the situation obviously very closely here on out to 0. and there were times on monday where it

really felt amid all the chaos that netanyahu was political future could be hanging in the balance. i'm interested to know because we now see the majority of the strike action being called off. he is still hanging in there and the coalition is still intact. jeremy, how did he do it? well, we know, didn't it? see how is the chess grand master when it comes to politics? he always seems to find your way out of whatever trouble it might seem that he said he had to move in a way in which on one side he did not lose the right flank of his own coalition. and then the other side be able to say enough and do enough in order to convince enough members of the opposition to listen to president heard songs clea, to come and try to negotiate in the presence residence. and once again, to me, i was somehow able to pull another rabbit out of the hatch,

you say do enough for different politicians. i am curious about how it was enough for the protest movement because the judicial overhaul hasn't been scraps. it's just been delayed and given the amount of pressure that the politicians were under a yan, if do you think that perhaps the, the people who are on the streets could have pushed for more? i think that i am maybe it's the last rabbits that nathan jo has in his hat. it's, it doesn't walk. i mean i, we are all the protests or the process movement are now in declaring that we are not going to stop. we know netanyahu, everyone causing a liar, even is elijah nose is a liar. we know it to work for the past 12 years of his regime. and we are not going to believe it. we know that he's trying just to, to make the protest disappear. but yesterday, and the day before we so something that we have never seen in israel before. and

what happened yesterday is backing up is a huge victory for us not. it's not the end of the, of this struggle on their, their way a democracy of israel. but it is a huge victory against someone that, as you describe, this seems to be a magician. but his ran out of tricks and well, we are also seeing overtures from the u. s. i. c. biden's biden's administration has offered a carrot of sorts to nurse and yahoo, they hadn't invited him to washington dc, but he is now ostensibly going to visit the white house in the coming months. it still unscheduled in this all after the delay that he is now announced at least that how much swayed does washington hold right now? washington has as always, an incredible amount of way. i mean the u. s. is one of the most important allies, if not, is most important allied in the world. and president biden has reiterated time and time again to benjamin netanyahu,

that he will not withstand any overhaul to democratic principles. because democracy as president biden has that said is, is a hallmark to us is a relationship. he said that in his private phone call to benjamin netanyahu on march 19. and he's ready to read this yesterday when he welcomed natania proposition to push aside for a few months, the traditional overhaul because he did state again that democracies are strengthened by genuine checks and balances. and so, president biden has, has made this very, very clear to benjamin. it's on your own. well, clearly pressure building from the u. s. but also pressure been has been building within israel for many, many months now. and feels like everything really came to a head on monday after all these months of st. protests, jeremy, was it defense minister, you have glance dismissal that really pushed people on the edge? well, you know, we can definitely look at that as, as the catalyst. but this is,

we have to look at this from the beginning, from the formation of the government. already the 1st meeting of the constitution committee here in the, in jerusalem in israeli can asset was focused on the judicial reform and ready from the start. you saw that there were protesters taken to the streets, and frankly, i think that most people were surprised both in the coalition and opposition in terms of the intensity. the determination and the dedication of the protesters, we're talking about a movement that's been going now for a close to 3 months strong. just looking at yesterday's protests which lasted about 12 hours. i mean, those are things that definitely in terms of public opinion, is making sure she difference. so for sure, we can look at other aspects throughout the timeline in terms of specific loads, specific timing, in terms of when various aspects, words, baths, and of course,

the announcement of the dismissal defense minister, which is not yet actually taken effect, which in itself is a little bit of a peculiar type of situation, but it's just a collection of factors that ended up, you know, coming to a head yesterday to the point where frankly, would have been a surprise, have climate student and, you know, not called to put a pause and stop or legislation for moving forward. and the question became how he could do, like i said beforehand enough to be able to bring the 2 large parties of the opposition, leaded by opposition. we repeat and betty dance and he was able to provide enough for both of them to be willing to go to the president's residence while on the other side. be able to do enough to keep his coalition partners and maintain his coalition moving forward. you mentioned just how peculiar the whole case of galant was. i want to take a little bit of a look at what was behind that because galant spoke out of is about the opposition

to the judicial overhaul. partly because he felt that many reservists, huge numbers of reservists were actually refusing to serve in the military. now, at least i know that the u. s. was pleased about glance appointment as defense minister. you have a sense of potentially what's next for him in this very strange scenario or who might be his replacement? well, it's difficult to say it's important to reader is also that galant was actually not opposed to the traditional overhaul for firstly, but he only opposed that in a 2nd stand when he realized what it could do to is role security. as you rightly pointed out, once he saw that huge amount of the service, we're going to strike and not serve. and d i d f. you realize how the effects of that could happen is roles, security. and this is incredibly important also to the united states because we've

also seen how president been bite and has called of minutes now to strengthen it support to civil society. and so the idea and so whether or not we will continue seeing an appointment of gone for me to be seen. but what we need to remember is that he was firstly opposed not opposed to the traditional overhaul . and then he realized that it would become a significant security threat to the, to the country. when you start seeing forces within the military, 10 against the prime minister, you really understand just how wide spread the opposition to this is young. if you help to found the protest movement that you were part of back in 2020, obviously a lot changed since then. just how diverse is the crowd that you are seeing the streets now. first of all, 2020 was our 1st victory. a go smith and you know back then we already so what power we have, the citizens in israel and how much we are against a corruptions and corruption and govern government against em. i can say another

world jewish fascism that we see no a inside the government, and i want just to so it will be clear. the true opposition to nathan jo home is not the opposition that we see the can as it is in the streets. we are the opposition. i mean, nothing that le paid or guns or guns or anyone else would say, can just stop there, the protest even. i can stop it. no one can stop it. as you saw on sunday evening, it was a spontaneous m, a demonstration. not like all the others that we saw the past 12 a month, a week's sorry that we called we sent the messages. we said that in few days we're going to couple on no, i was at home on the couch, preparing to like to have dinner with my boyfriend and then like people said, go out now and just this street were filled with people. i've never seen something

like that. this is the true power. this is the true opposition to nathaniel because we think that le peed and guns they are not there. i. i personally think that they are waiting just to jump back from the nose arms or don't guns should know better after being tricked by nathan, you know, in the rotation a trick that he did him as some time ago. so we are the true position to nathan young. a. any of you say that what happened on monday was spontaneous, but there had been previous plan protests. a lot of this has really been driven by the groceries, but i see that there is a group calling itself the struggle h q. how is the grassroots movement organizing going forward? i say it's not that organized. i mean there was a lot of organ organizations. there is the head headquarter, and we are all talking actually. we should understand it's people from or the rainbow that political rainbow of israel, right, left, a jewish mo, set like

a jewish religious secret groove. all that together, different groups, doctors psychologies army. everyone together knows that all the other goals that we have for israel need to be pro spawned in order to defend it did democratic read the israel democracy. so we are now actually we prepared a big demonstration full to day. but what happened to do the past 2 days make us to day to take a small pause, to rethink ourselves. but one thing is certain in the order groups and order discussions, we are not stopping. that's for sure. well right at this moment seems to be a good time to take the temperature of public opinion in israel. obviously there's a huge amount of anger. most of it's directed at the coalition governance a lot of far right on to national parties. but this is a government that resulted from an election with people voting for who they actually wanted to. and i know there's been a lot of discussion over a normalization, so to speak of the far rice and politics, jeremy, i know you do

a bit of polling. is that what you see? lucca right now for looking at the polls from the last 24 hours. we see really the coalition just as a whole. all of the parties across the board taking a hitch. ah, we're looking at. busy overall situation of the coalition, which right now has $64.00 of a $120.00 seats losing about 10 seats, an average, they'll put them under the majority. so that's a very, very big hit. i'll stick that the search in terms of where we're seeing those folks go. they're going to betty dance, one of the opposition leaders of the one who said before repeat that he wanted to move forward with talking dialogue with the coalition. so again, if i'm looking at the numbers, it seems to be that most israelis, i guess like most countries are in the middle and that they might not necessarily be very happy with the way the coalition has been handling it. but they don't seem

to be so happy in terms of what the position has been doing, and they're looking for some other voice. one of the things that we've been seen a lot right now behind the scenes and private polling is scenario polls. what happens of this personality split so often creates a new party. what happens if the next superstar saves your messiah, comes either out of retirement or out of the different area, and then starts a new party. so those are the type of things we're seen right now. the point, very interesting times at this point, i want to take a look at some of the major figures and netanyahu's collection. now as well as coalition government consists of netanyahu's and could party to ultra orthodox parties and 3 fall right when it just factions. as it as much as the finance minister and he's a settler and he oversees the civil administration that and pre settlement building in the occupied west bank and also controls important aspects of palestinians lives in the bank of it is the security minister. he's also another settler, and an ultra nationalist politician who has been convicted of racism. an ard struck

is the national missions mustang. she is an end on the far right religious 9 as in ponti. she's 90 the has supportive and equal settlements and anti l g b teaching views. now i'm wondering about where this goes within the coalition because the push for the judicial label that we so came from a lot of these people within the coalition. do you think tell me that the coalition will hold up? i have a pass over. yes, i mean if we're looking at the current political struggle in terms of mid to neo because it's supposed to go into recess after the sunday session by going ahead and housing, the opposition parties, the large was agreed to a dialogue with the presidents, residents that will take him throughout the rest of this week and should the beginning of next week. and it will take that we get into the, into the recess where the parliament will be on break and with the pro and break the pro battery system that we have. there is no actual way to topple the

government, and that sort of gives him time to regroup. rethink put out a new strategy. and then when he comes back in the mound, so may, we'll have to see what type of nittany are. we see what the actual plan is in terms of the coalition moving forward and also where the opposition is. did they feel that they got what they wanted out of the president, or do they feel that job due to now did not go ahead and provide the goods they were hoping to get from him? and then of course, we'll probably have a conversation then in terms of what happens at that point. it does feel in the meantime that it has already been a bit of wheeling and dealing happening within the coalition. i see there is now a plan to create a national god under bank of is control. and lisa, are they concerns about that? especially given his history. absolutely. and bang beer is a convicted felon. and, and he was accused by israeli,

or it's of supporting terrorists. he's also known for having a portrait of goldstein in his house with a terrorist who killed 29 colored thing in so i'm giving him the power over a national guard is incredibly worried to many people who see this as a threat to israel democracy because once you hand over this sort of power to someone like beer. you really threatened security within the population and you really threaten the social cohesion within the population because people do not be or do not view the bank here positively. and yesterday we've seen time and time again, problem natania. oh and from and from president, hurts of before then that there is a legitimate fear of an outbreak of violence and a civil war. and so handing over to someone like bank year,

his own national guard is only going to increase those peers, especially amongst the the protesters in the population who are scared of a national rock down onto the protesters. you mention the phrase, civil war that all the broader concerns around security, especially given israel's nuclear arsenal. lisa, what that's, that's a really good question. and i think the main security, or the main challenge here is really trying to appease all parties involved. and especially yesterday we saw how the general population is strong and vibrant and can take to the streets and bring israel to a complete standstill. and so during yesterday's protest as well, we also saw bank beer as monitor each and it and yahoo! calling for their, their boy list to take to the streets again,

the protesters and so that really evokes fear of a civil war. and that is why when benjamin netanyahu went on camera really stressed the importance of avoiding that young. if i want to bring you in hand, because i could see you wanted to jump in, all the worries that you might see confrontations on the street. yeah. it's not what we saw yesterday. we were attacked by a green mob. i can't say any other war because yesterday our activists were attacked in jerusalem after finishing the demonstration that started in the canal it, we finished it in near their residency in a other street and beautiful. and then a we started going back to the train to go to tell of if to continue in copeland and we were attacked. and by the aggressively a some people needed medical treatment. and so what you're talking about,

we see it already, and that person and relations, the armed forces for benefit, which we don't know, they may or may not. he may or may not get it, but it's a direct threats on us. for now, we, even though we treated sometimes aggressively by the police, we still trust the police and the army, but we won't trust em. personal forces of benefit because it's a direct threat or know the life by our prime minister and we should fade bend. we'll talk this symbol of the car of robin a month before he was assassinated after a toxic propaganda buying it from jo in 1994 due prior to the assassination over over the truck hub. im so it's the same. it's violence that we already saw. it's a machine walking that already walked effectively, and now it's being aimed on us in the streets. we feel it already. we are afraid,

and we're not going to let that happen yet. if i want to pick up on something that you said there use the word trust and obviously a huge amount of what's, how it's going to play out in the coming weeks and months comes down to trust. i see there have been some moves quietly, seemingly to put into place some procedural measures to make it quicker to votes. the judicial overhaul through in parliament in the future is that potentially being viewed as disingenuous by the protesters. we really have an emergency of trust. we dont trust the government, we don't trust our representative indic nesbit, we don't trust them. we don't trust the coalition. that's for sure. but also we need, or just to keep one eye open on the opposition because we don't know, 1st of all, they don't control the situation. they rarely speak in our demonstrations, intel, of, if they never speak a because we are the one that moving that forward. mess amount of people. so we

have a trust because we dont, as you can say, but read before we had talked about the polls. so i would just translate it to the sentiment that we have. we don't trust the far right. a fascist representative. we don't want them. the majority of israeli people do not want a jewish supremacy in israel. we don't believe it. on my shirt, you see you see democracy for or in hebrew, aerobic and an english because we still believe, even though they try to erase the arabic language from israel. we still want democracy for every one and a we don't want those settlers inside the government. this is what we shout and we chant in the streets that we don't want homophobic racist and fascists. in thickness, if i mean the government and i think that we deserve better than his government, we deserve a government. it was for us. and let me let, let's remember we're in the middle of the, me, the least in crisis,

in our neighbors with, on, with different countries. so it's not like, you know, we talk about poland and hungary, we are not in the middle of europe. israel is an island state. i am, i am again, i'm a gay men. if they, i don't know they decide to prosecute, gave, well, so they go to aged to syria, to lebanon. if they close down the airport before they go to the fee. so we are really threatened, and we are really afraid, but this is what make us know that we have to go to the streets. i don't have any other. i want to bring daryl in here because you're talking very much about the rice and the left in israeli politics in it. it's obvious now that netanyahu is at the left of his coalition, and it seems that he is almost lost. his ability to play parties off against each other because he is so far at the left of that coalition and jeremy you talking earlier about benny gans, it does seem that he is now more popular. the nation yaki, do you think,

despite everything that netanyahu was already survived, can he survive this? i mean, like, as i think we'll find out in may, we have 2 very big things happening. one is again, the 1st no confidence motions. when we come back from recess, we have to see what came out from the charts from presidents residents is something that still both his right when coalition is well as the center and left wing opposition, parties are willing to live with on. the 2nd thing is the state budget, which comes up at the end of may, is 100 cl sales to pass the state budgets in the final reading by the end of the month. that triggers an automatic election with the 90 days. so those are 2 very big go landmarks and challenges the need to know needs to face and make. what are we going to be seen until then? i think again, we're going to be focused in terms of what's happening behind the closed doors of the presence residents were last 3 months. we've had

a public debate within each message constitution committee. many people viewed is a little bit of a circus. it's been very actual content going there. it's going to now move to close doors and most israelis are going to hope that there is something that comes out of it in the morning. and yeah, again, playing this game, we're will have also high on the indeed we'll have to see one imagine from those closed doors in the coming weeks, we'll have to leave it on the fade. but thank you to all of our guests yet. if they go least the pa, via, and jeremy salton and thank you to for watching. you can see this program again any time by visiting our website. that sounds era dot com. and i've had the discussion do that on facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. remember, you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is at a j inside story for me and this does it a and the whole team here and uh huh. bye. ah

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