hugging the coast of west africa as we go through the next couple days, joining up the showers all the way across. central africa towards the ethiopian highlands. big sway, the west, a weather coming through here. as per usual, some heavy down poles that i, which was the other side of the continent with some showers, the south africa ah, the jump into the stream. hen percent of the population globally is responsible for about 15 percent of carbon emissions. showing the debate. people have already lost that people, how close to that culture, people have to have your say, want to broaden this conversation by bringing more voices into it live on you to people commenting. i want to know that you are not headed over with this on al jazeera, what's driving the recent unrest in kenya, opposition?

leaders say they're protesting against the high cost of living. they also accused the president of stealing the last election. so can this be contained or will it escalate? this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm cyril benya. kenya has seen several days of protests and unrest sparked by a rising cost of living and political divisions. opposition leader reloading guys, leading the demonstrations while calling on his long to my rival president william rudo to resign a dingo last last year's election by a small margin to rudo. he says he was cheated out of victory. will join our guests after this report from malcolm web in nairobi. people that demonstrates against the

high cost of living prices, the food and fuel have been rising. and the government of president william retail has removed subsidies. opposition leader, right, we're doing. he's called people to the street. he's also just the thing the results of last year, the election. he's run for president 5 times before and he's never been declared the winner. but in some of the past polls, there was substantial evidence that he'd been rig out the victory. but last year the evidence was correlation presented to the supreme court was not found compelling by the judges. and they held the election result previous rounds of opposition protests in kenya have led to royal or being offered deals or positions in government. but they've done little to alleviate poverty to address the stock inequality on the grievances on july. the reasons for people coming to the street this time around the repair to have been attacked on people and property like

groups aligned to the government and the opposition side. on monday, businesses belonging to royal everything and say, the former president who re kenyatta, who fax wider in the last election were attacked, will say in the to be or informal settlement haven. i robi, a church and a moth burn. there were also widespread reports of violence targeting generally covering the protests by police by protested by gang religious leaders and rights groups, the cooling com people waiting to see if the tensions will escalate or if the politicians will come to the table and make more deals. malcolm web for inside story. last year's election results were very close and why loading guy has rejected the results. the long time opposition leader has run for office 5 times and says he was cheated each time. in 2017, the supreme court agreed with him and, and all the results. it said it found the irregularities in order to re run, but,

but dingo withdrew from that re run and at least a 1000 people were killed in the violence that followed. the 2007 disputed elections ahead, encouraged his supporters to protest at the time. ah, let's welcome our guest now far. moline is a member of parliament, a member also of the wiper, democratic movement. a member of the opposition is in your coalition and the former deputy speaker of kenya's national assembly. thank you for joining us on the show. being a miss n o is the executive director of the daily africa and n g o, which works to increase female participation in politics and governance. and herman menorah is a political analyst and professor at the university of nairobi who voted for riley dingo. all of you are joining us from nairobi today, a warm welcome to each of you. formally, let's start with you. you're a part of the opposition coalition, which is behind these protests, but i understand you don't support people taking to the streets on this particular

issue. explain to us why? well, i don't support people 2nd to the streets on this occasion. democracy. the basic, very fundamental rules of democracy is that when you go for elections and you lose an election, you allow, we have a, has won the election to begin running the government and being the governance. this trip will not be in office now for hardly 6 months. i mean the about 7 months. i think i'm usually takes the time for the government guy. it's so fun, too many challenges. yeah. you know, because it's not our business to now tell the same govern government will be future us in the last election. but we went ahead and even took that us in the parliamentary elections because of the speaker council. beside the deputy speaker council, the site and then again we tell them that you've both to we went to court the

supreme court, we lost them up in the court. we accepted it that they the judge bent though that holding up the quoted. so we said we're not happy with it, we accept it. and then we come back again until that some government look you. you want that election, not fairly, but it. and again, you have to do a, b, c, b, you must. oh, what to at? they're bringing down the cost of living in the country. you are mazda and check back a. i don't know the people who are called a chair and a for people who and then it shouldn't be full. so basic it has sent in conditions for a government that's there on an open the saba. i may be some of the things that the government can do because the sabbaths under the control of an independent body called b i. you see the dependent in it. so and bond is commission, so i, i think it's not fair. we just can go out into the streets because we lost the elections. we admit that we are september the 5th. we just have to give them an opportunity for them to start the planning the government. and then we will begin

taking stock decking and use whatever mistakes in bank and 5 years to inform kenyans and what i do in the next election. okay, there's a lot to unpack and everything you just did says a good thing we have like 20 plus minutes to do that. bina, it is not. i take far as point that you have to let government govern, but it has the same time. the opposition is there to oppose the government and your take on what's happening right now in the streets of nairobi and casino and other parts of the country. i think 1st of all, we have to acknowledge that some of the issues being raised by the opposition unit, the process valid reason or then also understand that we have a political issue and we have an economy issue and we have to see how to solve with of those issues, you know, we live in a country where we don't even trust the institutions that actually oversee election . and that's a form the basis upon which people don't trust whether the electrons are credible

or not. even though the supreme court did give our ruling and say that's the, legitimize election of our president, william, brutal so long. i haven't strengthened the institutions that over the lectures. but citizens can actually trust that elections were free and credible. we are still going to see most of this problems, even in the next lecture on the 2027 about the cost of living. are we struggling with the high cost of living? we are, you know, the media in this country is 1000 years old. we have so many people who job less, right. and as you know, as the, you know, the bottom line is even for the citizens, we did elect our leaders to actually stop or what needs does permit stuff like that . actually going to feel those promises when they are actually elected. so, i think also citizens a fed up when they see a little political and less work being done. and if i told walk in being done

behind the scenes, can that be explained to the public in such a way that we were supposed to be, let's say a month. but we are not able to achieve this because of these very reasons. so give us time to achieve abc, herman mon euro. we heard from both far and be know that there are really 2 issues at play here that are driving these protests. one is the high cost of living and there's just no denying that the, the price of petrol has gone up. the price of maze, which is essential for staple food has gone up. but another issue here is the political rivalry between a dingo, who narrowly lost the election to root ho and the president. do you think that these protests in your view are legitimate? do you think these 2 issues should be separated? i think there's no way you separate them because they're sorry, let's it on in terms of mobilizing on the part of the position

they are the efforts of the much less effective if the issue of cost of living more than part of the deal. so yes, the citizens are unhappy with the cost of living, but also a significant part of the citizen will discontinue, is also update with the election results. so these 2 walk together and window position is mobilizing, they're actually talking about the political issue, the legitimacy of the presidents under sometime using the cost of living as mobilizing workforce. so they can, you can also put them up. okay, well as far as the cost of living is concerned, then do you hear far as argument that the government and this president need time to turn things around where it is going to need i. e o. even true.

but in the circumstances where people could be dead by the time the time you're asking for is you will have to moving fast. you realize. ready into a number of kids. one of the reasons why the cost of living is high, especially mazel. food on july. i think for fuel and for the substance that crucial report attendance was removed. and many people have this feeling. the push from the i'm from the world by that is making the government do that. so there are certain things you kind of weeks you couldn't wait for long term measures to take place. but if people are guy, i'm not going to shoot, you lice in this country isn't better. and we're talking about waiting pops the other living is. and if it is so much gone, we can do in thomasville, for example, in the district, that is a much better option. you don't have to deal with option and see well,

this is the country that it can do later. i live is a lot more that are beyond the government's control that is beyond the government control. ready because of international issues, but years there are things that cannot wait. so far a farmer leave, do you support the austerity measures that were put in place by this president and his government in order to secure that i am f loan knowing that the same austerity measures have either driven up the cost of living or kept the cost of living high for ordinary canyons, the cost of living did not become high on the assumption, the office of this current government, the cost of living was high even before them. as a matter of fact, this double the cost of the simple food they, they, the mays mill, the mays may lose more expensive, bad time over 200. well over $200.00 now is about $200.00,

maybe less than some cases. and but, but you see, let me tell you, one thing you, we, we, this people, we, we were part of a kind of an informal cohesion through something called the handshake. when the mom of president and up either i was quoted and the, the basic i got together. so for, for, for the whole of the big, the bulk of the last time, the 5 years of that tom and i made a list in the very least about 4 years of that the current president was not in the mainstream. he was basically somebody was on it, i don't want it. and, and, and, and we will, this, a lesson was for us to moose. and we will austic nonetheless, because even to us, as we are going to closer to the elections, all the addictions, all the opinion polls did indicate that this was a very close cross election. i've been too close to court, and indeed it was too close to con because we will, we will, they want with a very small by to talk way. the 2nd. now for us to begin telling them that we're

going to people are going to die before you the year ends. and for the 4 years before that the current president was not. and nowhere near power, the power was basically concentrated. and the former president an hour on leader who we hoped to make the president, i think, to say, well this is betty unfair and it's extremely honest. and it gets when you go to there, even without the subsidies, the prices are more or less the same of what they want then. so, so basically what we have also kind of a custody to this country is broke. this people took over a brook a brooke, brooke, consistent. then there was no money, there were not reserves, there was nothing. and basically everybody believes that this, this, while things are abused, that the subsidies were abused and billions of p. a shillings was stolen through that. we need to have what is the credits of all that and things like that where

that money went. but it's only, it's only fair for us to give a little bit of time in the very least a year to this government for them to begin allow correcting the things and that the questions of things so. so i think if what has to come out into the open loop, you can help people demonstrate things like was to show, wait is not the spontaneous demonstration that is being done by chance who are unable to bear the cost of living? no, it is $1.00 that is confirmed by our own collision poses the leader by loading that is the one who called for this demonstration. far if i remember, if i can just jump on. if i can just jump in here, should you still be a member of the, of the opposition coalition? should you be in a coalition with ry loading a given that so far you have been critical of the positions he's taken and you've been brother supportive. at least in this program of the government and you're in favor of giving them a grace period. should you really still be politically in a coalition with relo dingum? can i explain to you one thing?

it might cost to tracy. i put in more and more resources to get all the votes for iowa. as a matter of fact that i loading i had over 20, about 23000 votes, my quasi trust the last election. well, router had only 508. most of them, one of the locals, not my own people, that they saw the government like us. so we did the thing we could have done. we were there on the on position. i have been in the position myself for the longest. and i'm out of a principal, but the country is, is i my loyalty is more so to the come to the planning to be to it has to be a principal. i made all it all to the best of it so much to an individual who's going to tend to wake up whitening this, that it's on the opposite direction and movement, the mo, most that you, many people in the country are the people of the country. because of ala was the one who was defending the high cost of living, just before the election, and recorded. and then he suddenly comes out and say,

the cost of living is the president. i'm calling for my section. it doesn't happen like that. when the cost of living is high, it becomes a spontaneous is the muscle and able to build with that cost of living and come out into the streets. this is different, this is the political, there was pressure on it. and by the way, the agenda can say about it and you promised to bring down the cost of living and you haven't broke it down. but who took a bath high up? there? it is a hulu. and layla was better cause team cut to sit there to listen to that time. so this one is the, in my opinion, is not somebody one house go loyalty to my loyalty to my country. i oppose them. i am not in the, in, in, in k k or what because that's what they call qualities. and now i'm still in my colleagues it, but i don't like the way my, my, the leader of that colleagues of our specialize this thing. and i'm taking it to a different level. okay. yeah. all right, you are getting, you are creating a situation. we have other stimulus addresses before. when, when mosse action i've done again,

sir. i've been thank that. thank you so much. and by the way, just for 4 years were less familiar with the with canyon politics when you say, or who is responsible for the high cost of living. you mean, of course, the former canyon president to who are kenyatta bean at herman. i saw some raised eyebrows. i saw some smiles. let me, let me go to you, been a, do you feel that the government deserves to be given more time to tackle cost of living issues? is it unfair for the opposition to try and put so much pressure on them now in the streets when they've been in power for what? just over 6 months, you know, facts of or if a toil actually this is a very critical election and to be go by the president winning the selection and honorable breski. so it's saying the cost of keeping did not begin with the st. james. also i think the reason perhaps for new leaders in there is going to what's needed is so that they can actually bring about that in your team that we envision

. it's because the promise in the right and on the promises and make this promises during an extra that you know, what if you're let me, i'm going to do x, x, y, and z. so we are saying, yes, the government is broke, but it, but then other spend time when they think the government is through us being a government, you see people are complaining. citizens are complaining because we inherited us that option empty. we just appointed 50 chief administrative officer that is double the number for the office as we head in the last regina the last year we had about 23. and this is an office very unclear to shuttle already. and if you look at also the individuals that we have actually appointed actually look, this struck me every day or the united kenyans. i'm not the struggling young people, the probably cost less that we actually said we want to represent them when we left it. so, you know,

like that's confusing made when we say we actually very book and then you come and also just, you know, ex tanya government and we don't have resources that can actually be channeled to the basic needs. but events are actually talking about right. there was such, i read that shows actually because i think a month ago, not 2 months ago. that's kenya spent with you 6 percent of their income. you know, whether it's net or call my employment, put a sense of the income goes directly to food. so how much are you left with to spread across the ad the needs where they said the patient when they show up what they see. oh, the question i need, you know, so how much are you next week? and that is what we're talking about. so guys, i think we're being employed who necessarily are not even struggling. kenyon, when we have the majority of the people who are jobless in this country. we have about a 1000000 people who graduate from institutions of higher learning, treasury education. as we have a, you know, to a job market that's can only accommodate 60000 people. where did the rest go to,

you know, the majority of the citizens also imploding then from what economy, how we invest thing. and then for my kind of me, i'll, we've regulating been for more economy given that to the same industry that accommodates the majority of the women and the young people in this country who are the most vulnerable when it comes to us struggling economy. so i think at the end of the day it's also for the president to understand that the now is the presidential as the, as i said, not just the people who supported support that he so even with some of the polarizing remarks that he in this country that or this government is for the shareholders, we are all supposed to be share with this. we are all share with you as having every other person in this particular country. you're supposed to be a national unity. and right now is the most important time to see how you actually promote day a such a time like this. when some people feel excluded. and it's not the fact that the building excluded. because if we don't handle these matters correctly, right now,

they're going to be low, but then next election and then next election. well, that's, that's undeniable. especially when you factor in that riley has run for office for the presidential office 5 times in a row last 5 times in a row contested the result multiple times. yes, there is a chance that some of this spills over into the next election. i think that's fair, herman. been your you were raising your eyebrows earlier. what did you want to say? oh listeners, my friend, marlene good friend of mine. and he sounded like a gunman apologised, 1st of all, right, loading. i was not part of the government. now he was perhaps friends with okay, that's either from a president and i think it was kind of fine, but it wasn't federal government is not as it may it is also to like

the good lady say's when you want to run gum and you can paint line, you know, the problems you are going to face so you cannot get the government again engaging next to this. and again, intellectually see which bottom mileage the other one doesn't seem to want to certain people going to give you time. if there are signs in the care of the tomorrow, would be better if you become president on the sort of team you put up, the government, you put together doesn't inspire confidence. is a government that perhaps made up of the was that you're going to collect in that country you stretching imagination too far to expect the student, the country, to give that kind of the government a chance to better things to model. secondly, the people can also bear with their government, understand that these are hard times and give the government times to put things

together. but if the government is doing good in excesses in its trouble, going in sitting aside, was $7000000.00 us dollars to buy cars for putting to be in excess appointment of one goes to general us in an excessive profit in flood little of gum. mendoza's well bloated delegations in running down the country and homecomings on those little things. we are gum into the saucepan. you will be expecting too much from the citizens of that country. if you ask them to give them at particular gum and tie. yes, gum and can be given time, and indeed this should be given time. but it must be indicated on the ground that that time am would be utilized in a, in a way that we couldn't believe will yield the fruit. but what is on the ground doesn't spot and it could have been of the dog. but again, what i said on these is

a bit of an important if the citizens of your country had died and you, i am tired. and you are listening to a 3rd party. who tells you, do not foot stubborn measures in place or put position measures in place. when you know the break the box of your people. if you listen to a on his to show, like i may have to tell you know, subsidies and yet, you know, get away. your people are going to die. surely, that cannot be acceptable. not in the 21st century where the prison accounting must make it is a responsibility to ensure the people with country at least slight and lead justice of i. and therefore these kind of things cannot wait. because if we wait, we are quoting disaster. you can see the numbers in the street to bear with rail aldinger. those numbers are not there bigger than the solid. believe in this issue was stolen election. the numbers are mainly there because of the challenges.

economic challenges of the problem of food, of transport. herman, i wanted, i want to jump in because we have just 2 minutes left and i am sorry to interrupt you respectfully, i want to ask all of you, does there need to be a handshake moment? so for background, the hit what's known as the handshake moment. in canyon politics is when a dingle stunned canyons riley dingus done canyons after being bitterly opposed to then present it to her kenyatta by turning around shaking his hand. and they had some form of informal coalition, and i couldn't call it co governance, but they came to an agreement after being bitterly opposed. formally new 1st. does there need to be a handshake more to be out between the president group when i load ingo, and we only have a few, a few moments left. i'll ask you to keep it short. to begin with, the cause that she part of mr to secretary is that he has now appointed was not something that's not that now there's a president that there was initially appointed by oh to pietro when it was the head

of state and not now but 10 years back. ok, number one, president a lot is something called president interesting as the bad before. and his mind is those followed by them. the numbers guess you would debate the numbers. the 2nd thing is up. every time is i like i need it. i need an answer. does there need to do a handshake moment? no, no, there is no need to be on sick between who you see. ready if we, if you're going to, if we're going to appreciate what's called a democracy, then we appreciate democracy within its complaints. and the way correct is the, all, not a democracy that's always of the election. negotiations that the elite, the power in the power it is that i mean by the president and the opposition guy now come again into another. another agreement that only some interests we have seen because many times before, right? we don't have enough time, but i will talk about it for days on end. and then they then my side one, another legal and i d, nothing gets corruption,

does not get. they're going to have to get employment book. it does not get them. it's just the 2 of them are going to sit somewhere and have a blanket between them. so i don't like myself. i've seen many of it before. ok, i'm afraid we're going to have to leave it there. but far molina been a messina, herman, and your i thank you so much for joining us. enjoying this panel today on al jazeera and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, delta 0 dot com. and for further discussion, good, our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter handle at a j inside story. from me several denise, i see here in ohio. like ah,

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