15 celsius as you guys please hast, i say things cheering up here, but it will be pretty wet to cross. but he central western parts, if you a little bit of rain that into northern areas of spain as well, much as spain and portugal will be fine and dry as the case cross northern parts of africa. and we got the usual showers just around west africa. ah, the latest news as it breaks evidence in a place like this, where people say just a few bodies have been covered compared to the number of people missing. with detailed coverage of the government policies are making it difficult for them to export on climate change has also impacted a supply from around the world to their rescue play and showed their confidence in 1st republic bank. so all sides of which are critical to the functioning of the financial system. ah, what's driving the recent unrest in kenya and opposition?

leaders say they're protesting against the high cost of living. they also accused of stealing the last election. so can this be contained or will it escalate? this is inside story. ah, ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm cyril. danielle kenya, has seen several days of protests and unrest. sparkly a rising cost of living and political divisions, opposition liter riley did gaze leading the demonstrations while calling on his long play. rival president william root o to resign. but then last, last year's election by a small margin to rudo, he says he was cheated out of victory. will join our guests after this report from malcolm web in their robi, people are demonstrating against the high cost of living prices. the food and fuel

have been rising and the government of president william retail has removed subsidies, its opposition leader rider. we're doing, who's called people to the street. he's also just the thing the result of last year is election. he's run for president 5 times before and he's never been declared the winner. but in some of the past polls, there was substantial evidence that he'd been rig out the victory. but last year, the evidence was correlation presented to the supreme court was not found compelling by the judges. and they held the election results. previous rounds of opposition protests in kenya have led to royal, are being offered deals or positions in government. but they've done little to alleviate poverty, to address the stock inequality all the grievances on july, the reasons for people coming to the st. this time around the repair to be an attack. some people on property like groups aligned to the government and the

opposition side. on monday, businesses belonging to royal everything and say, the former president who re kenyata, he fact wider in the last election were attacked, will say in the to be or informal settlement here when i robi a church and a moth with then there were also widespread reports of violence targeting generally covering the protest by police by protested by gang religious leaders and rights groups are cooling for com people waiting to see if the tensions will escalate or if the politicians will come to the table and make more deals. malcolm web for inside story. last year's election results were very close. and why lou dingo has rejected the results. the long time opposition leader has run for office 5 times and says he was cheated each time. in 2017, the supreme court agreed with him and, and know the results. it said it found irregularities in order to rerun but,

but didn't go withdrew from that re run. and at least a 1000 people were killed in the violence that followed the 2007 disputed election . so did go ahead, encouraged his supporters to protest at the time. ah, let's welcome are gifts now foreign. moline is a member of parliament, a member also the wiper, democratic movement, a member of the opposition vimeo coalition, and the former deputy speaker of kenya's national assembly. thank you for joining us on the show. been a mistake. 0 is the executive director of the daily africa and n g o which works the increased female participation in politics and governance. and herman menorah is the political analyst and professor at the university of nairobi who voted for riley dingo. all of you are joining us from nairobi today, a warm welcome to each of you forum. really, let's start with you. you're a part of the opposition coalition, which is behind these protests. but i understand that you don't support people

taking to the streets on this particular issue, explain to us why? well, i don't support people 2nd to the streets on this occasion. democracy. the basic, very fundamental rules of democracy is that when you go for elections and you lose an election, your law, we have a, has won the election to begin running the government and being the governance. this trip will not be in office now for hardly 6 months. i mean the about 7 months. i think i usually takes the time for the government to organize itself on too many challenges here. in any case, it's not our business to now tell the same government government will be featured as in the last election who went ahead and even defeated us in the parliamentary elections because of the speaker council of the site. the deputy speaker come from the site and then again, we tell them that you've both to, we went to court the supreme court,

we lost them up in the court. we accepted it the judge bent though, that holding up the quoted. so we said we're not happy with it, we accept it. and then we come back again until that some government look you. you want that the election mouth fairly but it and again you have to do a, b, c, b, you must, oh, what to at? they're bringing down the cost of living in the country. you are mazda and check back a. i don't know the people who are called it, you're in a for people who and then it's recent before. so basic it has sent in conditions for a government that's there on an open, the saba i'm. it is done of things that the government can do because the sabbath under the control of an independent body called it i, you see the amendment in it. so and bond is commission, so i, i think it's not fair. we just can go out into the streets because we lost the elections. we admit that we accept that benefit. we just have to give them an opportunity for them to start the planning, the government. and then we will begin taking stock decking and use whatever

mistakes in bank. i'm 5 years to inform kenyans on what i'm doing the next election . okay, there's a lot to unpack and everything you just did says a good thing. we have like 20 plus minutes to do that. bina, it is not. i take far as point that you have to let government govern, but it has the same time. the opposition is there to oppose the government and your take on what's happening right now. in the streets of nairobi and casino and other parts of the country. i think 1st of all, we have to acknowledge that some of the issues being raised by the opposition. you didn't protest a valid reason. but then also understand that we have a political issue and we have an economic issue, and we have to see how to solve with of those issues. you know, we live in a country where we don't even trust the institutions that actually oversee election . and that's a form the basis upon which people don't trust whether they are credible or not.

even though the supreme court did give a ruling and say that's the legitimize election of our president william, brutal so long. i haven't strengthened the institutions that over the elections, but citizens can actually trust that elections were free and credible. we are still going to see most of this problems, even in the next and actually 2027 above the cost of living. are we struggling with the high cost of living? we are, you know, the median is in this country is 19 years old. we have so many young people who a job bless, right. and as you know of, you know, the bottom line is even for the citizens, we did elect our leaders to actually stop or what needs need as a permit stuff that's actually going to will fill those promises when they are actually elected. so i think also citizens a fed up when they see a little political and less work being done. and if i told walk in being done

behind the scenes, can that be explained to the public in such a way that we were supposed to be? let's say a month, but we are not able to achieve this because of these reasons. so give us time to achieve abc, herman juris we heard from both far and be know that there are really 2 issues at play here that are driving these protests. one is the high cost of living and there's just no denying that the, the price of petrol has gone up. the price of maze, which is essential for staple food has gone up. but another issue here is the political rivalry between a dingo, who narrowly lost the election to root ho and the president. do you think that these protests in your view are legitimate? do you think these 2 issues should be separated? i think there's no way you separate them because they are, sorry, let's on in terms of mobilizing on the part of the position,

they're the efforts of the much less effective if the issue of cost of living more than part of the so yes, the citizens are unhappy with the cost of living, but also a significant part of the city and this country is also an update with the election results. so these 2 walk together and window position is mobilizing, they're actually talking about the political issue, the legitimacy of the presidents under sometime using their cost or living as i mean, mobilizing workforce. so they can, you can also read the matter. ok, well as far as the cost of living is concerned, then do you hear far as argument that the government and this president need time to turn things around where it is possible you need i. e o even true.

but in the circumstances where people could be dead by the time the time you're asking for is you will have to moving fast. you realize. ready into a number of kids. one of the reasons why the cost of living is high, especially muslim food on choose just for fuel and food subsidies that crucial report attendance was moved. and many people have this feeling. the push on the i am from the world by that is making the government do that. so there are certain things you kind of weeds. you couldn't wait for long term measures to take place. but if people are dying, i can assure you, life in this country isn't better and we're talking about reading pops doesn't live in this country. and if it is so much gone, we can do in terms of, for example, in the district that is so much port rupture. you don't have to deal with and see,

well, this is the country that it can do later. i live and it's a lot more that are beyond the government control that is beyond the government's control because of international issues. but years there are things that cannot wait so far. a farmer, liam, do you support the stare at the measures that were put in place by this president and his government in order to secure that i am f loan knowing that the same austerity measures have either driven up the cost of living or kept the cost of living high for ordinary canyons, the cost of living did not become high on the assumption, the office of this current government, the cost of living was high even before them. as a matter of fact, this double the cost of the simple food they, they the mays mill, the made me lose my expensive bedtime was over 200. well over 200. it now is about

200, maybe less in some cases and bad, but you see, let me tell you, one thing you, we, we, this people, we, we were part of a kind of an informal cohesion through something called the handshake. when the mom of president and up either i was quite a sunday the basic get it got together. so for, for, for the whole of the big, the bulk of the last time, the 5 years of that tom and i made a list in the very least that was 4 years of that. the current president was not in the mainstream. he was basically somebody was until unwanted and, and, and, and we were this a lesson was for us to lose. and we, we lost it nonetheless because even to us, as we are going to closer to the elections, all the addictions, all the opinion polls did indicate that this was a very close cross election. i've been too close to court, and indeed it was too close to court because we will, we will, they want with a very small magic talk. wait a 2nd. now for us to begin telling them that we're going to people are going to die

before the, the year ends. and for the 4 years before that, the current president was not. and nowhere near power, the power was basically concentrated. and the former president an hour on leader who we hope to make the president, i think, to say the, this is betty unfair and it's extremely honest. and it, because when you go to there it even without the subsidies, the oil prices are more or less the same of what they were then. so, so basically what we have also kind of a catch $22.00. this country is broke. this people took more of a brook a brooke, brooke, consistent. then there was no money, there were no reserves, there was nothing. and basically everybody believes that this, this, while things are abused, the subsidies were abused and billions of p. a shillings was stolen through that. we need to have what is a bit of old up and things like that where the money went. but it's only,

it's only fair for us to give a little bit of time in the very least a year to this government for them to begin allow correcting the things and that. but the questions of things so, so i think if what has to come out into the open loop, you can have people demonstrate things like with to show, wait. it's not a spontaneous demonstration that is being done by chance who are unable to bear the cost of living. no, it is one that is confirmed by our own collision poses the leader by loading that is the one who called for this demonstration far farm. and then if i can just jump on, if i can just jump in here, should you still be a member of the, of the opposition coalition? should you be in a coalition with ry loading a given that so far you have been critical of the positions he's taken and you've been brother supportive, at least in this program of the government. and you're in favor of giving them a grace period. should you really still be politically in a coalition with relo dingo? can i explain to you one thing?

it might cost the trends i put in more and more resources to get all the votes for iowa. as a matter of fact, i love being, i had over 20 about 23000 votes, my quasi trust the last election. while ruth had only 508, most of them on the look of my own people that they saw the government like us. so we did the thing we could have done, we were there on the on position. i have been in the position myself for the longest and out of a principle, but the country is, is i my loyalty is more so to the country and planning to be to. it has to be a principal. i made all it all to them nationally. so not to an individual who is going to tend to wake up. well in this direction, i mean the opposite direction and movement, the mo. most that you better people come to the people of the country. because layla was the one who was defending the high cost of living just before the election, and recorded. and then he suddenly comes out and say, the cost of living is the president. i'm calling for my section. it doesn't happen

later. when the cost of living is high, it becomes to spontaneous is the muscle and able to build with that cost of living and come out into the streets. this is different, this is the political, there was pressure on it. and by the way, the agenda can say that you promised to bring down the cost of living and you haven't broke it down. but who took it that high up? there? it is a hulu. and layla was better cause team cut to see of their relation to that side. so this one is the, in my opinion, is not somebody one has got okay, loyalty to my loyalty to my country. i oppose them. i am not in the, in, in, in, in k k or what because that's what the call is and now i'm still in my colleagues it, but i don't like the way my, my, the lead of that colleagues of our specialize this thing. and i'm taking it to a different level. okay. all right. you are getting, you are creating a situation. we have had a similar situation before. when, when mosse action. i've got a little again, sir. all right,

but thank the thank you so much. and by the way, just for a 4 years, we're less familiar with the with canyon politics when you say, or who is responsible for the high cost of living. you mean, of course, the former canyon president, to who can yetta been a hermit? i saw some raised eyebrows. i saw some smiles. let me see, let me go to you, been a, do you feel that the government deserves to be given more time to tackle cost of living issues? is it unfair for the opposition to try and put so much pressure on them now in the streets when they've been in power for what? just over 6 months. you know, 1st of all are if a total, actually this is a very critical election and to be go by the president winning the selection and if possible directly. so it's saying the cost of keeping did not begin with the rate jim also, i think the reason perhaps for new leaders in there is under what's needed so that they can actually bring about that new chief vision. it's because they promise,

you know, they're right on their promises and make this promises during an extra that you know, what if your next me am going to do x, x, y, z. so we are saying, yes, the government is broke by that, but then other spend time when they think the government is group people as being a bluetooth government. you see people are complaining citizens are complaining because yesterday we inherited, you know, call us that option empty. we just appointed 50 chief administrative office that didn't double the number for the office as we had in the last regina the last year. we had a birth certificate and is an office very unclear to shuttle already. and if you look at also the individuals that we have actually appointed actually most strongly every day or the united tenants, i'm not struggling young people. the probably cost less that we actually said we want to represent them when we left it. so, you know, like that's confusing made when we actually very book and then you come and also

just, you know, x time your government and we don't have resources that can actually be channels to the basic needs. but events are actually talking about right. there was such i read that shows actually because i think a month ago if not 2 months ago, that's, can you spend a sense of their income? yeah. whether in business or my employment, put a sense of the income goes directly to food. so how much are you left to spread across the ad the needs? well, they said new patient where they show up what they own plus and i need, you know, so how much are you next week? and that is what we're talking about. so guys, i think we're being employed who necessarily are not even struggling. kenyon, when we have the majority of the people who are job less in this country. we have about a 1000000 people who graduate from institutions of higher learning treasury education . as we have a, you know, to a job market that's can only accommodate 60000 people. where did the rest go to,

you know, the majority of the citizens also employed and then for more economy, how we investing. and then for my kind of me, i'll, we've regulating been for more economy given that to the same industry that come with the majority of the women and the young people in this country who are the most vulnerable when it comes to struggling economy. so i think at the end of the day it's also for the president to understand that now is the presidential as the, as i said, not just the people who supported support that he so even with some of the polarizing remarks that he in this country that or this government is for the shareholders. we are all supposed to be share with this. we are all share with you as having every other person in this particular country. you're supposed to be a national unity. and right now is the most important time to see how you actually promote day a such a time like this. when some people feel excluded. and it's not the fact that the building excluded. because if we don't handle this matter correctly, right now,

they're going to be low, but then next election and then next election. well, that's, that's undeniable. especially when you factor in the riley has run for office for the presidential office 5 times in a row last 5 times in a row contested the result multiple times. yes, there is a chance that some of this spills over into the next election. i think that's fair herman menu or a you were raising your eyebrows earlier. what did you want to say? oh, listening. my friend, marlene good friend of mine and he's sounded like governor just 1st of all. right. loading. i was not part of the government was perhaps friends with them from a president engaged in candle disuse via but it wasn't. federal government is not as it may it is also to like the good lady say's when you

want to run gum and you can paint line, you know, the problems you're going to fail. so you cannot get the government again and gauging excuses. and again, let's just say you see which bottom mileage and others in one doesn't seem to want to certain people going to give you time. if there are signs indicators of the tomorrow would be a better if you become president under sort of jim, you put up the government, you put together doesn't inspire confidence. is a government that perhaps made up of the was that you're going to collect in that country. you're stretching imagination too far to expect the city of the country to give that kind of the government a chance to better things to model. secondly, the people can also bear with their government, understand the hard times and give the government times to put things together. but

it's not government is doing good in excesses in its trouble. going in, sitting aside over $7000000.00 us dollars to buy cars for putting to be in excess appointment. no one goes to general us in an excessive club in in flood little of gum. mendoza's well bloated delegations in running down the country and homecomings on those little things we are going into the saucepan. you will be expecting too much from the seats in the back country. if you ask them to give them up but to le gum and tie. yes, gum and kind of be given time and indeed it should be given time. but there must be indicated on the ground that that tire am would be utilized in a, in a way that we couldn't believe will yield the fruit. but what is on the ground doesn't spot any, could have been of that all. but again, what i said on this is

a bit of an important if the citizens of your country or die and you are in charge . and you are listening to a 3rd party who tells you, do not put that in measures in place or put existing measures in place. when you know the break the box of your people. if you listen to a on his to show, like i may have to tell you know, subsidies and yet, you know, get away. your people are going to die. surely that cannot be accepted or not in the 21st century where the prison accounting must make it is a responsibility to ensure the people with country at least slight and leap just to survive. and therefore this kind of things cannot wait. because if we wait, we are quoting a disaster, you can see the numbers in the streets debate with railroad being got. those numbers are not there because then necessarily to believe in this issue was stolen election. the numbers are mainly there because of the challenges. economic

challenges of the problem of food, of transport. herman i wanted, i want to jump in because we have just 2 minutes left and i am sorry to interrupt you respectfully, i want to ask all of you, does there need to be a hand shake moment? so for background, the head, what's known as the handshake moment in canyon politics is when a dingo stun kenyans relo. dingus done kenyans after being bitterly opposed to then president to who are kenyatta by turning around shaking his hand. and they had some form of informal coalition, and i couldn't call it co governance, but they came to an agreement after being bitterly opposed. formally new 1st. does there need to be a handshake move between the president group when i load dingo, and we only have a few, a few moments left. i'll ask you to keep it short. to begin with. the cost that she brought to mr. secretary is that the has now appointed was not something that's not that now there's a president, there was initially appointed by oh to pietro when it was head of state and not now

but 10 years back. ok. number one, president in law is something called president when this thing has been there before. and this one is just followed by then the numbers guess you could debate the numbers. the 2nd thing is up. every time i need it, i need an answer. does then, is it handshake moment? no, no. there is no need to be handshake between who you see. well, if we, if they're going to, if we're going to appreciate what's called a democracy, then we appreciate democracy within its confines and the way i like this or not that democracy that's always of the election at negotiations that the elite, the power in the power it is that i mean, that the president and the opposition guy now come again into another. another agreement that only subs their interest. we have seen this many times before. all right. we don't have enough time, but i put a talk about it for days on end. and then they then massage one another. ringback and i d, nothing gets deb,

corrosion does not get him. they're going to get him employment book. it does not get them. it's just the 2 of them are going to sit somewhere and have a bunch good to share between themselves. i don't like myself. i've seen many of it before. ok. i'm afraid we're going to have to leave it there. but far molina been a messina, herman menorah. i thank you so much for joining us. enjoying this panel today on al jazeera and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, dashes, your dot. com, and for further discussion good. our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter or handle at ha, inside story. from me several venue in the entire team here in doha life. ah ah

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