donald trump, the 4th vehicle glimpse of donald trump. he was in the 4th vehicle there a historic moment, as we've been saying before. as the former president of the united states, leaving the courthouse here, after surrendering to authorities and having his arraignment. 44 charges against him, all of which he pleaded not just within their own life television, the president leaving the court house right there. we saw him in the 4th vehicle there course i shouted question, but of course, you know the motorcade didn't stop. not surprising. did not appear that trump made any comments as he left the court. clearly, he was surrounded by lots of secret service. new york police department as well now

is either headed back to trump tower, which is about 6 kilometers in north where we are or to the airport to head back tomorrow. lago florida expected to get a speech a little after 8 pm and gabled, seeing their medicaid, the whole security service detail. this has been an extreme me to them. logistics and security operations surrounding what for a normal citizen would be straightforward and straight up and down. parents in court, and this has been far from that for sure, unprecedented. of course, i mean, some of the procedures of what transpired over the last couple hours, or what anyone else would go to the negotiated surrender after an indictment by a grand jury is what trump had negotiated under that. that's what happened in other

cases. well, the suspect is the person arriving in court with his lawyers just as from did. that's the normal procedure. getting fingerprint grabs having a mug shot photo taken. then being walked down to a court room for an arraignment. that is all standard procedure. what trump went through and what anyone else would go through that was it would, would have been charged with the same alleged crimes. what of course is different is this is a former president united states. this is amanda running for president, one of the most high profile figures in the world, of course. and that's why you see the scenes you're seeing now. roads would not be blocked off for a normal surrender under normal situation. so this is, this is obviously the difference. the number of police officers were told over 20000 new york police officers just assigned to this area of new york city. just

today the f b i involved with security as well. and the secret service. that is what makes it so unprecedented. you would not see rhodes blocked off like this under normal circumstances. of course. now it's important to point out just kind of resetting here for a minute. we are waiting for the indictment. it has been unsealed, but we're waiting for it to be released. so we can go through the day and get a better sense of what all 34 of the charges are against drunk, all 34 of which he pleaded not guilty to give her. thank you very much indeed. let's watch that medicaid heading away from the court house that's bringing the james davis. republicans just talked to them to go to the law from arlington, virginia, to as gabriel mentioned, actually, president trump, for president trump is running again, isn't d for the presidency? some of this attention around the court case appears to galvanized his base. they seem to be more keen to donate to campaign. perhaps some of them you know,

port him back into limelight but, but how do you think it would play with other voters who are not necessarily died in the war? trump supporters. well, i think you see, we talked about, you mentioned the polarization of the country earlier. i mean, he got narrow election in the last election. there not many people who don't already have an opinion of donald trump at this point, assuming joe biden is the harmony on the other side. both folks have a opinion on joe biden. i think you would see it fairly narrowly contested electorate right now. i don't think anything is going to move the trump supporters off of where they stand. but i do think that there are many other candidates out there who are kind of having to reassess their campaign strategies and figure out, okay, how do i break through now, given that there's so much focus on donald trump and he's getting all the headlines

and, and obviously, giving them something to galvanized baseline and did you see your impression that trump is likely to testify in this case if you think that would be something he would be wrecked, it would be recommended for him to do not to well, i don't know. it probably will be recommended at justifying, but i don't know, it takes a lot of orders from books or how much he'll put weight into that. so i think we'll have to see on that perspective. one thing i would know is we talked about gabriel's talking about the mens staff, 20000 officers in new york city. you know, this is a significant investment resources by the district attorney and for the local law enforcement. and this is, comes at a time when new york has, you know, rising violent crime, you know, 32 percent or era, 32 percent and carjackings this year. you know, we're seeing

a ton of violent crimes in west. they have a massive bomb show, kind of revelation here. i think then, you know, constituents, they are going to ask themselves, is this where i want my resources being spent, or do i want to being focused on public safety in my community? i mean, this is gotta be overwhelming for those offices, just all of the media, attention alone, much less, you know, building out all of the supplemental documents that you would need to have $34.00 different points. so i will see how history judges that. but i think they would be serving their communities really well to focus on the public safety aspect. the d o j already looked at this, presumably, and passed on it. and so what do they have that makes them think that they have a better case? maybe they do well, what do they have that makes them have a better case? also, historically, we've seen something similar in the democratic primary process with john edwards.

and you know, that case, ultimately just one we're getting dismissed and most people remember it now, but it was also, you know, kind of moving funds around and a campaign finance violation that was in questionnaire and just go back to the, the charges. so the $34.00 felony counts of linked to falsifying business records for an international just can you tell us what the, you know, the level of those kind of charges is and whether they come with potentially prison sentences if, if someone is found guilty. so again, i haven't seen all the details here and so i have to speculate, but the analysis that i've seen is that, you know, the maximum would be somewhere around 40 years and that you would get senates and likely for these kinds of crimes could be dismissed and put down to misdemeanor. that's if you're found guilty. and also for, you know,

the charges of falsifying records. it doesn't necessarily require jell, time with it. so it's just, it's loaded with so much here and there's so much that we don't know right now. so i think speculating, father on that, james, ever thank you very much indeed for your thoughts on the subject. appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. thank you. alone, let's bring in gabriel. andre, who's outside the court house in new york. so gave, it's been an extraordinary day so far. it's not over yet a tell us about the sphere and the people that you've talked to them, what they've been saying to you about how they feel about a form president appearing in court like this. yeah, in the morning when i arrived here, i went to in the middle of the protesters, both pro trump protesters and anti trump. protesters of which there were several 100 on each side is the day progressed. the trump supporters basically said they

felt he was a victim of political persecution, echoing a lot of what trump has said since in dayton. it was handed down. and the people that do not support the president former president and who were in favor of this containment, they feel that this is finally trump reaching some justice or that the judicial process. finally, moving to hold the president former president accountable. and you know, we've been talking today a lot about the judicial process because that was what was happening in this court house behind me. and it's important that traditional process, the legal process. it's very critical. the 1st time trump is really faced any sort of legal process like this, but there's also a political ramification to this as well. and i want to bring in a guest that will help us understand that and talk about that era. can political analysts let me just ask you 1st. thank you for joining us. your 1st impression,

take off your political analysts hat per 2nd. what do you feel about what you have sort of seen here outside this core and what's happening? well, you can't really take away the political because the constitution was the bedrock for which the nation of law stands. and you have donald trump, a presidential candidate, who if he succeeds, will actually, it will be his job to uphold those very laws that he's now attacking. and so what we're seeing here is a perfect melding. i think of both the political and the judicial and i think that's what we're going to see play out in this entire process. in fact, donald trump has made a political argument about these charges, saying that this is a witch hunt, and that this is an effort to try to warn his candidacy. so we're seeing politics

written all over this, this, this particular case right now, and i suspect we're going to continue to see this. if in fact we see charges from georgia, as well as from the special prosecutor jack deck smith as well. how much political danger is trump in right now? right now, trump is actually writing a way of success. so he has done very well politically. as a result of these charges, he has separated himself from the pack of other presidential contenders. he has raised more than $7000000.00 since this indictment has come down. so short term, this has been a political bone for donald trump. and just to be clear for an international audience, he's been charged with his indictments and people might be thinking, well, how is he allowed to run for president if he's been indicted? can you explain that? that's the central question that i've gotten all day. how does he, how does that mean? and what does that say about the qualification is to be president of the united

states. president united states is considered one of the most powerful positions in the world of commander and treat you whole the nuclear cold. you have access to the most powerful military in the world, but all you need to be is over 35 and a us citizen. and here's something else. if in fact the term was convicted, that does not necessarily stop them from actually serving as president of united states. that's true. it's distinction that he's been indicted and charged, but not convicted that we'll go to a jury months down the road. it could be a trial in this case that happens next year during a presidential campaign where he is the republican nominee. is that far fetched or is that a real possibility? no, i think that is actually what we're going to see play out. that's why this is so compelling . that's why this is so charged. you know, we have a former president who has been indicted, but we also have that same former president who is running for president and he's also running. and as he's running,

he's attacking the country. he's attacking democracy, he's attacking that bedrock of laws that govern this country. and so all of this is uncharted territory for the united states. we have seen leaders from around the world. western leaders who have been indicted and convicted of charges in italy and france and south korea. but never has there been an instance where those very leaders were also attacking the system itself. that's what makes this so different . donald trump is on attack of the very system that governs this country. what about the timing of this? when i spoke to some of his supporters, they all said, listen. the only reason these charges are being brought against him is because he's gonna run for president and he has a very good chance of winning the timing. is it coincidence or do they have a point there that the timing is off? we conspicuous that it's right before another presidential campaign of which is

running donald trump actually made that the issue and we know that he was staring down these investigations even when he and now. and this has been a, an effort to try to stave off these investigations, possibly indictment and possible prison time. and so i think we have to look at this with a bit, a cynicism that donald trump is running, not just because he wants to be present and again, but he also wants to potentially stay out of prison. fair enough. and what about the in think, how dangerous are the next few months given the situation where i mean dangerous, i mean how, how much danger is this country in this democracy perhaps given what we're about to face moving forward. and i say we, i mean, the people of the united states are facing, you know, the country breathed a sigh of relief after the elections of 2022. everything went very smoothly. people

except that the result republicans didn't do as well as they'd hoped. but they accepted the results and democracy was able to live another day. now democracy is back in the crosshairs, fascism, and we see donald trump attacking the very existence of democracy. he's attacking the nation of lot. he's attacking states right. in the constitution, the founder of framers actually made it so that states were, had a level of independence and we see donald trump attacking that very bedrock which was established in the constitution centuries ago. and so i think what we're seeing right now is it's a very scary times, a very fragile time for american democracy. and not only should americans be nervous, the people around the world should be as well. i'm going to ask you to look ahead. if we talk to you again in april of next year, where do you think we're going to be? i mean, nobody knows. but do you have any sort of clarity of, you know, we might so much hinges on what prosecutors are prepared to do. we do know that

there are some very serious charges confronting donald trump right now. but will those prosecutors be brave enough to actually bring those charges against donald trump? this is 2023. we know in georgia, donald trump has been under investigation for 3 years. we know, and we know that the, the department of justice has been looking at donald trump for years as well. and so i think so much of what will happen will be determined by what, in fact the government is prepared to do due to institutions in the united states to do work. but more importantly, do they even still matter? and this could potentially not be this for the, the only indictment potentially because as you mentioned, georgia is looking in, they have a grand jury looking into donald trump, the potential election interference that grand jury is not issued indictment yet, but they are examining the issue this could be a play that has a 2nd act. perhaps this might not be the end here. and with these charges perhaps i

think there's more than there's a 2nd act. there's a 3rd act as a possible for that. and one thing that we haven't talked about when we talk about the politics of all of this, what does, what happens if, in fact, donald trump is not the nominee? what happens if somehow donald trump walters as a result of these and died? donald trump simply walk away. what is donald trump take his power? his influence in turn that insurrection that we saw in 2021. does he turn it against his own political part? so i think that's something that we need to look at. that's something that needs to be weighed as well. and we also need to think about this case will most likely go to trial. there's a chance he could be found not guilty, in which case, what would that do to the political realm if he's found not guilty, which is a possibility of course. but we've seen that play out when donald trump was he called a vindicated from a quit old during his in peach. and so i think donald trump would say this was

always a witch hunt that this didn't work. but again, we're talking about going after a former us president, and you need to, prosecutors need to make sure they have not only their i's dotted and t's crossed, but they need to make sure that they can sell an argument to a jury. that is going to have to convict a former president who we know and who we have seen from evidence that he is willing to turn the higher of the supporters against those who may go against them . and that could potentially include jurors as well. sure, we're particularly last question here. donald trump is to get back to leader of the republican party right now. what our republic, we interrupt just to take you straight to georgia tech athena trump for president times lawyer is outside the court lesson. and that may cause it's not going ask a non going act right. don't after did that, the da is angry because the da has block it up to 5. i dial credit. i'm

just saying you may disagree with the way we spoke. i wasn't going to bring to was there a moffatt off by was their room. okay, thank you. okay, got you. i got a. busy favorite, i'm talking with my mom to feel in a couple meters. i don't have a feeling, right. i'm not ready to fight it by. and what does that mean? like in court? i don't want to put a man from a political standpoint that for me to ask for, i don't know the power cord to the both, but i'd stop and do you think the target was absolutely a the

job and the good up the way the way i got i guess, you know, and just leaving the court that he said the president trump was ready to fight and then he added quickly. he's ready to fight in court. i should add that's bringing jennifer victor, who's a professor of political science at george mason university, shown this lie from fairfax, virginia. and i suppose one thing that we, we should say about the way things are played out. today's was some concern. there was some concern before the court case that the protest might become violent. there was a warning from the city police to, you know, to, for everyone to, to take it easy if you'd like to leave things to go off quite smoothly. there was no, there was no, no violence there. yeah, probably a fair amount of credit goes to the local security services and

a fair amount of advanced planning on behalf of all of the other parties involved here who took this seriously. so tell me i agree that come on the, on the, on the court case itself, trump, please be not guilty to 34 counts. but he's also very made it very clear that he feels that this is a witch hunt against him. and he's attacked the very kind of nature of the judicial system in a way. how damaging is that for the country to have people questioning whether or not the judicial system is, is fair and, and is when organization is suggesting that it's politicized. yeah, no, i think that's exactly the right question. because what we've seen throughout sort of the trump era is a gradual degradation of respect for political institutions and particularly the types of norms that uphold democratic values. and one of the key things that democracies need to function is

a respect for the rule of law. and so what we're seeing here is we've, we've seen this in the past, of course, from donald trump. but what we're seeing here is him underscoring this strategy of undermining the idea that there, that the rule of law is being used with a sense of justice here that it is. he is the victim, and it has been turned as a political tool against him. and so forth. this, on the one hand, should be sort of the expected rhetoric that we should hear from him. it is the type of defensive legal strategy that he has used a number of times previously in his life. on the other hand, i think that you are correct to call that out as not just a personal legal strategy for him, but rather a strategy that has potentially truly consequential damaging is consequentially damaging for the united states in terms of how the general public respects the rule of law and the legal system in general. so as, as trust in those things degrade as a result of his sort of defensive strategies,

personal defensive strategy. it winds up having a negative military effect on all of us. just to go back to the political ramifications of this case. clearly some of trump supporters will be energized by the fact that he's back in the limelight. but what about the democrats? i mean, that's been a strategy. it seems from the white house to, to say nothing at all about this. a pretty money is because they realize that any publicity for trump is good publicity. i think that could be the case and they may want to just not try to give trump more of the limelight. on the other hand, to the extent that they jump into the fray or get defensive about the claims that he is making, they may inadvertently give credence to his claim that it is a political thing, right? so if joe biden or any other democrat jumped in to say, no, donald trump, maybe you really should think about the fact that you've done some crimes or something like that. then that just gives fodder to the rhetoric trumps claims.

that it is a political witch hunt. so i think perhaps democrats are using an appropriate strategy and in just sort of staying out of it and, and letting the legal system work its way through. and that's it. there's, there, there sort of is no other strategy. i think for them to, to follow at this point, tell us though about the, the system. i mean we've, we've got this prosecutor who's the, going to be the 1st procedure to, had not had a former president of and brag, i mean, he, those positions the district, any positions, all elected, don't they do it for people who don't know system in the u. s just remind us how that works and you know what, why that would have an impact on what cases june. don't go to court. yes. so a district attorney is, you know, the, the local prosecutor, they are the people who are elected. so they were chosing, through a political process to represent the state in legal, in any,

you know, bringing charges against a, anyone who is accused of of crimes. so, you know, in the united states would, there is the, you know, for the most part, when people come into contact with legal system, it's either through civil law or through criminal law. and if it's civil law than it's private parties typically suing one another over things which happens a lot. and donald trump has been involved in a lot of those over his career. but if it's criminal law that it's usually the state who has brought charges against somebody for engaging in a crime and, and that's the case that we have here. it's notable though that the crimes that he is being charged with you know, so this is a, a state level prosecutor that's bringing the crime a charges, but the felonies have to do with and i haven't seen all the churches. yes. like, i don't know exactly what they have to do with my, the little bits that i've seen so far, suggested it mostly has to do with the illegal use of campaign funds related to having paid off. i the, the, the point actress. and so it's,

it becomes at this sort of complicated nexus of both state and federal law that this is being prosecuted at the state level at this point for crimes that occurred on, on that have to do with federal law. so the federal system in the united states, when it comes to the criminal code, in this case, it gets, gets fairly complicated. to add to that, of course we still have the potential of pending indictments or pending charges coming from to other entities that a lot of people are anticipating may wash out here or come for it in the next couple of weeks or so. one coming from the department of justice that would be federal level and, and having to do with this turnover of documents from our logo, when he, as when trumpet done, being president. and his failure to do so in a timely way. and the other coming from the state of georgia having to do with potential crimes that he committed there and trying to overturn those election

results. so there is the potential for even more complication to be entering into the legal trouble that donald trump finds himself. and jennifer victor, thank you very much. indeed. i appreciate your time. and just to let you know we're keeping an eye on the manhattan district. attorney is alvin brags a news conference that's due shortly and will bring you that as soon as it starts. he's the prosecutor who's indicted to the former president. meanwhile, let so return to gabriel on his outside the court house in york and gave i'm told that we've been sort of watching those ariel shots of the, of the cause. heading off the convoys, limousines heading off and, and i'm told it is heading to la guardia airport. that appears to be the case. yes. and it's not much of a surprise because trump has already announced that when he gets back to florida morrow. lago is a state there that he plans to give a speech or make comments at moral lago, and he even put a time on

a little after 8 p. m local time. it's. it's about 4 pm here local time right now. it's about a 2 and a half hour flight, so it's not unusual that he would be going back to the airport directly. he does made it clear that he doesn't want to spend any more time in new york than he needs to. he was only here last night for one night arriving in the late afternoon and then he's off now back to morrow. lago are on his way to the airport to go back tomorrow. lago. not unusual. sort of expected and interesting on the was that apparently the judge said you will not impose a gag order at this time to tell us that tell us about why that significant yeah, that means that the lawyers can talk. that means that the da can talk that trump's lawyers can speak about this case pretty much all they want. and that's the significance of that. we've already seen that, and the fact that one from the main defense lawyers came out of the front of the

court house, which is just on the other side of where i'm at right now. and briefly spoke to journalists that were shouting and questions that we saw there just a few minutes ago that we showed. i didn't say much either that, that trump would fight these charges. but the fact that anyone that judges not for hibbing any of the lawyers to speak about this case, significant because they'll be able to try to spin this any way that they so choose moving forward. the trial, assuming this goes to trial, and that's probably a pretty good assumption that it will, is months away. a trial is not gonna happen immediately. that you dish system here as it doesn't, many countries goes very slowly. and so it's going to be a process for a trial to even begin trial, still many, many months away. so there's a lot of time for people to comment about various aspects of this case. moving

forward. the judge basically say no gag order. you're free to talk about just as more of the lines have been emerging from the, from the court has said the prosecutors said they intended to request a trial date of january 2024. and trump lawyer had called that time on a little aggressive and suggested spring $224.00. we've also seen just in the was about 3 minutes that they took the next court here in december, the 2023. so some of the, some of this is kind of coming out now because there were many, a few people allowed into that to that court room and to, and it's kind of emerging piecemeal and it isn't. let me explain why. video cameras were not allowed in the court room. only 5, still photographers, and only a small handful of journalists were allowed in the court room. but without any electronic devices. therefore, as things were.