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restitution africa stover. episode to return on our jazeera ah, donald trump's defendant in cold defines on the stage, the 1st sitting or former president of faith prosecution called the case of political which hm. what is it? what does it mean, puts presidential bid and america's democratic system. this is insights, thought ah hello there, welcome to inside story, i'm nick clock. so tuesday was a historic day for america's democracy and is judicial system. donald trump becoming the 1st person to hold the office of the presidency to be charged in a criminal case. he pleaded not guilty to at 34 felony counts before flying back to

florida and attacking the district attorney. the judge and the judge's family remy against what he called political interference in his 2024 presidential campaign. so will this extraordinary moments hom will help his chances and how far will it test the limits of the us? legal and political system is plenty to discuss. the 1st gabriel elizondo sets it up for us, their images that will go down and us history. donald trump, arriving at a court in manhattan. gone was the traditional swagger that is defined trumps persona. to day, the former president was uncharacteristically somber, as he became the 1st current or former president to ever be charged with the crime . and dis is what he's been charged with. the indictment being unsealed before trump in the court room. $34.00 felony counts, including falsifying business records, and other charges stemming from

a $130000.00 hush money payment to a former adult film star. donald trump pleaded not guilty to all the charges. the case against trump laid out later by the manhattan district attorney alvin brag. 34 false statements made to cover up other crops. these are felony crimes in new york state. no matter who you are. we cannot and will not normalize serious criminal conduct. however, the indictment did not impress trump's legal team. he is frustrated, he's upset, but i'll tell you what he's motivated and it's not going to stop him and it's not gonna slow down. earlier outside the court house, the anticipation had billed to a fever pitch as both supporters and detractors of the former president gathered outside phony case. everybody knows that political persecution today is the

beginning of a long series of potential passengers. and finally, after hours of waiting trumps motorcade arrived right past our camera. donald trump's motorcade arriving here at the court house. he's in one of these vehicles a historic moment. it's a very scary times, a very fragile time for american democracy. and not only should americans be nervous, good people around the world should be as well. this is just the start of what likely will be a long legal battle. the next phase will be a trial. trump's lawyers argued to the judge that they don't want that trial to begin until the middle of next year, putting it right smack in the middle of a presidential campaign, one in which it's probable trump himself would be a top contender for the republican nomination. trump left court without comment

after more than 2 hours inside. later in the evening when trump returned to his morrow lago, a state in florida, he broke his silence. this fate case was brought only to interfere with the upcoming 2024 election. and it should be dropped immediately from showing his defiance against. did you dish or process that is very much in motion. gabriel's hondo out is eda new york. ah. all right, let's now get the thoughts of our guests. joining us in chicago is bradley mos attorney at mark zayed law firm is a national security lawyer who's handled litigation against the united states government. ryan wiggins joins us from an undisclosed location for her safety. and she's the chief of staff for the trump opposing lincoln projects, a republican strategist and former member of god in washington. d. c is david bolger, national security consultant and former staffer with then senator joe biden.

greetings to you all at ryan. if i could start with you, if i may, at once upon a time, this might have finished a candidate for presidency, but for trumpets just supercharged his hopes of running his neck. absolutely, i mean, i think, you know, i think your intro here, you talked about how trump is likely going to be the nominee for the republican party last night. i think what we actually heard was his acceptance speech for his work to take the nomination from the g o k. this next cycle you saw that all of his people, all the people who were thinking about challenging him or had already announced that they were going to challenge him. all came on bended knee this past week and stood in line got right behind the president, a former president again. so, you know, i think that absolutely, this is supercharged him. um, i think it is super charges base. i think he's trying to use this to get more

people fired up. i the man lives on chaos. he strives on chaos. and so i think that that's what you're seeing here. i think you're seeing him try to take something that is a legal court proceeding. and as the da sad you know, is, is their bread and butter. and manhattan, i take on these cases all the time. this is a case that has been in the works since 2017 michael cohen has already gone to jail for aiding and abetting in the us. and so i think what you're saying is him trying to take something that is very legal, very much of part of our democracy and our judicial process and turn it into a media circus. and we're generally his followers. follow that. david, let me take up the concept about american democracy, a very fragile time for american democracy. i don't think so. i think that the, the, the grist ng activities that we witnessed yesterday, which is essentially the modus operandi of donald trump and has been since

he, it pretty much all his life. but it probably beginning since 2015 in the political arena. ah, continues, this is a just a pattern of the same activity. ok. and what was not discussed in the piece that the segment that you opened with was how much money he has raised since his and diamond last week. i think it's probably over $10000000.00 already, which none of the other candidates and the republican party can even get close to. so i think that the democrats have a, have a real opportunity here to do nothing. and essentially let the, the president's former president's actions of fall on where they may and really don't give him much attention. but i know, considering what happened over the last 72 hours,

i think that will continue and it will dissipate a throughout the year. and broadly did, let's just be clear on what this actually means for donald trump as a candidate he can proceed to run even though he's being charged right? correct. he could proceed to run. he could win the election and we could be faced with a rather unique constitutional question of whether or not someone who had been tried and let's say for the hypothetical, convicted and sentenced to prison time could. nonetheless, when the presidency it's never happened before. we have no real idea of how we would handle it, but there's nothing that prohibits him in that context, from winning the presidency in from somehow becoming president. we'd have to have some type of procedure there because it a state crime. so even if he was became president or even if now life is became brother. no one can pardon him, but the governor of new york, which isn't going to be happening, so that would still remain in place. so this is

a, is an interesting time for historical, political and legal nerd. the rest of the countries just wanting to know when this is going to be over with. right. i didn't realize that, i mean there is precedent for people running for president from prison, but i didn't realize that if he actually is convicted, he could still be president. there's nothing in the consultation that prohibits it . there's nothing that specifically addresses it. and anybody who says they know for certain what would happen really just a pining on their best guesses, because we've never contemplated that position. there's never been a serious candidate. anybody who realistically was going to win the presidency while running from prison. so we're all just guessing here, ron, what did you make of the charges? did you anticipate that to be more in terms of what we've got with the what the former president is not defending himself against? no, i don't think so. i mean, you know, there, there are several other cases that are currently pending beyond this one with stormy daniels, that is in the new york cape courts. right now. i mean, you know,

you haven't watched an interference that it is currently happening. you know, in georgia, they are looking at his, at what he wanted to do there. and we've all heard the recordings of trump, asking them to find the votes that he needed. so, i mean i, there's still that it's, you know, they're still the investigation and the classified documents that they found at mar, logo. i mean, all of these things are still happening. so no, this is, this is, you know, the opening shot across about, but he isn't a lot of legal trouble throughout the country for a law for a different charges. and so no, i was not surprised about this one. i mean, again, this one came from when he was running for president in 2016. there is still, you know, 4 years of bad behavior in the white house to, to look into. and there's still the 2020 election cycle to look into when they're. so what happened after the 2020 election cycle with his involvement and $16.00 that they're looking into. so he is in a world of trouble right now, and this is just,

you know, one of the many cases that are currently pending against this, this former president. right? more to come. i will come on to that in just a 2nd. but david, what about this is the move from misdemeanor, which was potentially the original charge on to the concept of a felony. and is it clear how that leap is being made and how much of a problem could that be when it does? and if it actually comes to quote that i'm not that familiar with the newer criminal criminal code, or is this for ryan? no, david, please. carol. ok. i'm not that familiar with the new or criminal code, but i felt the 34 felony counts. what was was appropriate concerning the fact that michael a his former michael con is former counsel served time force some very similar charges, but you know, i've got a chuckle,

you know, ryan just ticked off all these things that happened during president trump's term, as well as after and it just continues and continues, and the question i would have is, where are all the republican other other candidates? why are they really sticking by this guy? and that it just seems so strange that in light of what happened yesterday and the coverage to day and his caustic remarks last night, why anybody will, would vouch for the former president. do you not think that that is just a temporary thing that, that people like desantis will you know, the foreign country that he will come out and it be more persuasive in put himself on? well, i think that it, you know, used to be, i've worked on political campaigns for a while and, you know, used to be when, once you say something that's get picked up by the media. that's your record.

donald trump turned that upside down, and i think the people who are less and less griffin being in their approach to life like de santis, like lindsey graham, like a number of other candidates. and they, they are, they think that they can do it too. and so it's really unfortunate that that is that one of the parts of a president trump legacy is that he say one thing, 11 minute and then and say, just the opposite of a minute later i brought it. i just want to come to something that rhyme mentioned and that is that the fact that there is more to come and this is the thing, isn't it? because he could face criminal charges in at least 2 other cases. tell us about those and how that will fit into the whole picture. yes, so this is going to become sort of like a traffic jam over the next couple months with what we expect to be multiple more

indictments. this is just the opening salvo. this was, as ryan mentioned, this was tied back to 2016. the other ones that we've got there is the probe in fulton county where the district attorney had that special grand jury that concluded a report. we're just waiting to see what indictments, if any, the district attorney brings tied to that, you know, perfect phone call with the georgia secretary of state. but then you've got the 2 federal probes. you've got jack smith inquiry into the class by documents issue and the obstruction related to that. and of course, you have january 6 than what we, many of us expect to be. a conspiracy to defraud case brought against the former president, tied to his efforts to overturn the election in the weeks and ultimately days leading up to january 6. so he, if these indictments do come out, he's going to have a traffic jam, not just the various pre trial motions and hearings, but of trial dates. you know the new york case currently scheduled for early 2024, just as the voters in robinson primary 1st. that going to the polls to to cast

ballots. he could have these other cases. he could be facing trials throughout the winter in spring of 2024. and while you know, i have a lot of, you know, i think of a lot of credit to donald trump on how he holds onto the public in bass. i do think there will be a point where even republican primary voters have said enough is enough. we can't take on whether it's joe biden or another democrat. we can't go into the general election with someone who's facing multiple criminal trials. that can be a lot of political hedwood for him, putting aside the potential criminal headwinds as we speak, that isn't the headwinds is firmly in his favor, isn't it? yeah, from a political standpoint. yes. i'll start with that for me or for david. now you carry on and then we'll bring in rod. that's like, yeah, so from a, from a short term perspective, from political perspective. yes, it's absolutely in his favor is going to get a fundraising boost. there's going to be an initial rally around the liter effect in the republican primary mind you, we are what, 8 months, 9 month away,

at least from the 1st balance being cast on public and primary. that's a lifetime if not 3 lifetimes in american politics, in the context of a presidential election campaigns of residence hall and in presidential primaries the past in, during that kind of timeframe. so any number of things can happen. what will be interesting to see is if there are more documents, particularly at the federal level, over the course of the next 2 to 4 months. does some of that support within the republican party, primary based start to erode? do they start looking to iran to stant this or somebody else who doesn't have the criminal baggage of donald trump? is it wrong? respond to that and then move on to the timeline for this and what your thinking is about how this will pan out in terms of you know, coming primaries in the election itself. i think that, you know, what we just said about, you know, there been 8 months before the 1st voters house and all that is a very true with a normal candidate. but trump is not a normal canada, even after $16.00,

the most there, the lowest approval rating he had inside of his own party was 40 percent. ok, it's a cold guys. it is a cult. these people believe everything he says, i don't see that number moving. i think that he will continue to have 40 percent if not more because they are believing what he's saying about it being a witch. and while we all know this is the digital system playing out, this is his, his people are not thinking that way they live inside a bubble. they are getting their news from fox news and o a n and other write new sources. i say news very, very loosely, their entertainment sources, but this is who is based lessons to they listen to q and on their entering sphere. see theories. i mean last night that rally was 100 percent greatest hits at his propaganda. and so no, i don't think i think he becomes the nominee regardless of what happens if anything . i think the spires up to space. now whether the american people will accept that or not is a totally different ball game. but i don't think rhonda santos has

a chance and hell of being a nominee for the republican party. i think it will definitely be trump. now, as far as the timeline goes for all of this, i don't know, you know, the judicial, the, the d o j, and i know most of these cases are not before d o j, but some of them are the d o. j tries very hard to stay out of politics or even looking like they are involved in politics. so the fact that this is all coming to a head during the presidential election year where he is an announced candidate, i think that it, i think that he will try to drag it out because that's what's not does i think that he will try every appeal every legal, you know, shenanigan there is in the book to try to prolong this to get it to not happen until after the election. and i think d o j is probably not in a big hurry to look like they are trying to, you know, tampa with our election either. i wouldn't, i wouldn't be surprised if some of these don't come until after the election. 24. now the conversation will continue through that and whether that helps or i think we will see that i have

a strong suspicion that it will help in the primary and potentially her kind of general vulture. what you're thinking about this is the is, it was not long ago that trump's political popularity seemed to be waning. he was waiting as a political force. and it funny, it's funny how things turn around, isn't it? well, i think it's a, it's a blip. actually the, and this is his play book, or the roger stone play book, you have the political playbook and then you have the legal play book on the political playbook, is what we want to take every opportunity. we can every crisis we can and turn it in a way that where we are the victim. we have nothing to that shouldn't be blamed for this. we've done everything right? every call is perfect. every action is the best. and so that's kind of the way he goes right now on the legal side, just as

a ryan mentioned, it's going to be delay delay delay. if we think, i think yesterday there was a discussion of a, maybe a trial or a parents in december. and then maybe, or an early trial in january. that's not going to happen. i think there's going to be motion after motion after motion filed to extend all these cases. but i think what is going to happen as, as a bradley mentioned, is that there's a traffic jam. you're going to have all these cases happening at once, and it's going to make it very difficult. and i think you were going to see a few of the republicans peeling away and essentially saying enough is enough. and do you think, bradley, that's the best approach for democrats. well, this is all unfolding is to keep silent like the president like joe biden. yeah,

found the democrats right now. i want to be as quiet and normal and calm and presidential that contact the job, buying as possible right now. and give a completely different side by side comparison to the chaos that is donald trump, right now, your enemies punch myself in the face, don't stop them. you know, donald trump is going to keep doing what he's going to keep doing because back to the playbook, if there was mentioning. and to an extent there is a port part of the republican base, he's going to go with it no matter what. but think of all the people who had decided to go with donald trump in 2016 who then abandoned him in 2020, and elected joe biden. think of anyone who's looking at this chaos and going, oh sure, i want to go back to all that for another 4 years of a presidency. now, the last thing democrats should be doing is coming anywhere near this new cycle. let him self implode. he will to it eventually around. is that something you agree with a 100 percent, a 100 percent?

i think that, you know, one of the things that is frustrating about being a former republican strategist and now working against the republican party is to look at this and say, the democrats are buying and to the republican talking points when it comes to buying biden has been an incredible president. he has gotten things done that we have not ever seen. we have, we have a lower, you know, want employment rate. you know, inflation is actually coming down. you know, he inherited just a bag of pride and has made it so much better. they need to stop talking about, you know, what is he too old now? he's not, he's not. he's only a couple years older than trump. trump is definitely going to be running. so you know, i'd be grateful that you have a candidate who is so knowledgeable about the issues that are facing this country right now, facing this world right now. it's so well accepted on a global stage and you're absolutely right. keep your mouth shut. sit back and watch the republicans beat themselves up. bradley, i'm just wondering if from the point of view of what all 3 of us say,

i'm just wondering if it's you're putting too much faith in the fact that the american people as a whole will consider that trump is ultimately on the way out because he's shown in such a fighter in the course of things, and these cases, as we've just seen in recent weeks, really boasted his position reverse his position in many would argue that you think there's, there's more to his chances and all 3 of your say in like i think like, i think all 3 of us have said in the short term, particularly in the primary it may both chances and, and you know, i might be wrong. he might still win the nomination here, even if there are these ultimate indictments. but for the general election populous for you think about this is that this band with a fighter, he's a fighter at 2017 probably in the last 2018 mid terms of public and the last 2020 trump last being a fighter only gets him so far it plays like gang bus there is with his base,

they love it. but the critical, you know, 5 to 10 percent particularly independence. the ones who sway elections back and forth. the ones who abandoned hillary in 2016 and then abandoned trump between 20, none of them are looking at this going oh yes. we identify with someone who falsifies business records to cover up a hush money payment. we want more of this chaos. that doesn't mean they love joe biden right now, but they don't want to go back to back. that right, i just want to ask you why you wanted us not to disclose your location is a reflection of the state of united states right now. and the pin arrives ation that we see. well, you know, it's, like i said, i was a former g o p strategist and in florida and you know, with what's going on in florida right now with rhonda santas. and i mean, just this past week, he had his former political opponent and had of the democrats in the state arrested . you know, when i started, my career being a political consultant wasn't

a dangerous thing. it was an interesting thing. and many would say were very boring bang. i'm ready for it to get back to that. i mean, there have been death threats. i've had people try to come after my children and my family and it happens to everyone at lincoln project because we are, you know, the tip of this year we are in the fight. we do stick our thumbs and trumps eyes regularly. and so unfortunately, because of that, because of what i do for a living and because of the turmoil in this country right now, it is very dangerous. and i do have 2 children and i just, i, i prefer to not let you know the enemy. no, i may be sure this does such a culture. what's your sense of where this whole legal process leaves the united states and, and actually exaggerating these extremes? is polarization we're seeing in american politics and in the american discourse is a hope. well, i think, you know, the people on this show probably were glued to our computers and mobile phones and

t v. 's. but it's my hope that during the day yesterday, most americans were at their jobs and working and really don't, don't really give, give too much of a, an interest in this. we still have a just over 53 percent, i think of the public voting. so it's not as if we're breaking any, you know, there's people are that politically engaged, but you know ryan's comments. there are extremely sad. i mean that's, that's a tremendously, that's dangerous. it's unfortunate. and it ends quite scary. so i, i, i'm sorry, you have to go through that. i think what donald trump brought to the game and there was a, it, was, he, he's not the main reason that this has happened. but there's been a turnover over the last few decades in american politics. of essentially not going,

not reaching a compromise, not doing it for the good of the american people. it's what's in it for me. what do i need to get reelected and, and repeat? that's how they year. your opponent is your enemy and it's not, it's just, it's just a terrible way to go and it's not the way you govern. so i think there's on both sides of the political spectrum, but i think it's more trumps base is being are essentially fed red meet every single day. and i think it just that's what gets most of the coverage. all right, it's going to be very interesting to see how it all unfolds. thanks to all i guess, to bradley most run weakens and david bolger, thanks very much indeed. and thank you to you for watching. you can see the program

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