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this is inside store. ah. hello and welcome to the program i'm tom mccrae. protests have been held for days in am hora, against government plans to merge the regions forces into the national army and police. if the opiate has yet to recover from the war and it's to cry region that ended last year. thousands of people were killed in a conflict marked by wide spread human rights abuses. forces from m horror fought against to grind rebels alongside the national army. but since that 2 year war ended leaders in m hora have accused the government of ignoring violence against ethnic m. horace and the neighboring roy me origin. they believe if m horace forces are absorbed into the national army,
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the communities will be left open to more attacks. we'll be talking to august about the why the implications of all of this in just a moment. that 1st went in manhattan reports on days of violence and protests against the government's plans. plans by ethiopia, government to unify the national military of police was parked in major backlash. protest have been held in the region. many people want to ensure forces their stay under local control. outbreaks balances been reported and restrictions imposed in some city government that insists there won't be any kind of compromise in terms of ending the spatial courses in which them regents as well as other regions have benefited from in the past. they've said it's against the constitution of the country and they're going to fight them and they're going to put them under the yoke and for so the national force there. busy doesn't seem to be any compromise. the government plan will apply to regions that use their own languages and have
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their own fighting and law enforcement groups. but many of hara accused the federal government of ignoring attacks on ethnic horrors living in the neighboring romeo region. they say losing local control forces will leave them unable to protect themselves. i, mr. abby ottoman says he's determined to see the plan through. i will take what he calls appropriate law enforcement measures to make it happen. tensions are growing and many fear confrontation may prove difficult to avoid that. mullin al jazeera. ah. okay, let's bring in our guests now in addis ababa is a camel ha. she murmured. member of the ethiopian parliament in harrisonburg virginia is a town of duncan assistant professor of african history. at james madison university. he specializes in political history of ethiopia and africa, also and addis ababa is this. elaine cheney senior member of the national movement
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of m. how are the main opposition party in the ethiopian parliament? a welcome to all of you. thank you very much for being on inside story today. desolate if i can begin with you, can you just explain how large these protests have come? and i guess the anger that's fueled them at to this point. thank you very much for having me. so for this, this, we're very large and it almost every one of our agents are. so people are monday for the federal government to leave us the decision to dismantle the space on voters. ok, because current that he's on a hot agent is faced with a lot of treatise security breeders, especially for people if you got it wrong, because a lot of the past 3 years,
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the everywhere. so you have to read on aggression is and why or why not that by a front on the phone. so unless that is our disarmament and it's fun just didn't realize it. great, this is a key reason and it could be pretty fun. and that's why people are putting that issue to piece money because it's untimely. and yeah, because there was no plenty of consultations and discussions with us. ok. come out when the prime minister made this announcement, was there any expectation that there would be a backlash? like i was saying over the last 5 or 6 days? thanks. i think in terms of expectations,
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so whenever you're long and if there is a probably that might have been you know that there's a lot of negative movie that usually didn't want to fall or the did you want to anyway, you know, all it can be listed any plan that comes to me is going to change the keep. you have one. well, if people outside they want to come, i could see that people from my going to be on a mission. i would say this was a longer a wasted solution. then i mean, you know, at the secretion for a while, we shall go and if you would that whatever class you're going to country really to have one trunk, you know,
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national army. good. you great. i'm only under one, you know, channels. so i would say that is a lot of the vision because what they demand from the something you do for the check of the people positive expectation. but i would think that that a lot of people need to do the very noble idea. you know, i think the very strong one submission, i think would be more positive exposition, but i didn't even think it might happen to be a different way. okay. autonomy, if i can bring you in here, how, how worried are you? how concerned are you about what you've seen over the last week or so? you know, you've got both sides at the moment, refusing really to take it back. would staple compromise in any way. so what happens from here, do you think it's worrisome? but it's important to look into some of the merits on both sides 1st because
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this conflict goes much beyond what the both sides one to say in public, at least at this time. when at this about when to war was to gray. i do under the leadership of a b, i'm a bit at region and the correlation which even goes beyond the border of india. i'm our forces the regional spatial unit and find no way a key allies of these are in invading or fighting. again, instagram retreat is an answer. ok. now when i decided i wanted to make peace was to dry. at least there was some conversations about our forces. went a deeply angry and the amount of forces particularly is a nationalist movement rising and our region seems recent years are moving very fast and claiming a number of a number of progress. but the problem is, the claim coming from america,
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nationalism, and that region seems to be clear in many ways, particularly over the last several months is there has been voices that puts claim on power in a dc our now at this all by itself, claim design. i'm our forces one this to over 0, it's using using some violent method and for this it closed main highways leading to are these are claiming that amount of forces are sending forces on the ground to overthrow it in this along if you look at this claims the claim of these, on the other hand, is that it wants us to restore peace in the country. it wants to disarm every region for but the main intention behind disarming the regional forces, whether these are,
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are many other regions is to consolidate the am x power in d. s. i want to sell it for you and here. what's your response to that? yeah, i see, can i say the how, how clear the members that are people is clearly demanding that also increase you can we support a national unified defense process and national you find out of me we find the see a pretty comfortable and i think that to give back what i and i yeah for that to be, i mean we should all be monday because we should have a security gun we should have if, if you, if you got a key so that the courses would not ask for the 4th one because as part of the $320.00 agreement, it was a fight that was will be the summer and the movie last. but there is no need to
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decide on that is done and there is no end. it would be nice if you saw in that this little z the saw me and this month and i'm had a special course is like even got the results. any security arrangement or security mechanism. i get the grounds. but also we've been very do leasing the i'm had our region for example, i you was, that was a, it was not good at least 10 pounds, 50 pounds. and the security apparatus was not active, but he's funding for the st. the saw of the month is clear, it's not about a month, but you'd be able to get a security arrangement that the people, i mean, the main argument seems to be that it will leave the region exposed to attacks by neighboring areas and including the t p l, it, but wouldn't it more unified,
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a national army actually be able to better defend against those attacks you know, over the past year, for example, using the past 25 years. the if you've got national defense for was dominated by a by that you play during that time that you get that national defense call has to be about a given effective security for our by now the oral lead posterity party is on. so let me get that national defense forces. so we believe that unless the national security structures are fairly represented and properly for mac, it's very difficult for us too, because you got some as to the national defense for. so in the, at least we need to regain gum had a station process that has to get the defendant,
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our people from that to be an aggravation. but also because effectively i kept law. and one of the reasons that, okay, camilla, wanna bring you back in here. i guess one of the arguments is that the are of horror forces of actually be more effective against the t p l. if, as rather than the government forces that have been that i've been fighting alongside. what's your response to that that, that you know, that the government forces have been rather an effective over the last couple of years and, and fighting the tpl if thank you so much job, but i think because, you know, like say something to the ship and that came out from by the other one is that don't tell me great, this is miss mashing out before we commit the body. and now that he's also not much of a model, and the 3rd is going to be the national army is by
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when you click here and the creation of special forces is welcome to. so let's not make it, not only and what is it i don't, is it all my mission? i'm sure that i'm to give them a group us. we want to i didn't, and the very look at the golf law because oddly, and there hasn't been a lot of fun because that doesn't mean any part people get to like more or model what they don't like. like the way of having the matching a lot of us, they can't be in the confusion if it comes to the idea that you
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needed to be in that way that would be shut up and the palace worry of that because they will be who will be sent to you and he was saying he wasn't if they want to during the lunch and i said, well, let them dry. forget what the conclusion you have before. even now in addition to my daughter, the number of out of me that it was all, it could then mission like now those who are now to be submitted that we didn't do much of that. and then i don't know outside of that. so you see the very good and when you come to the last question, i'll of them. yeah, they do a lot again, if you feel that, but let us know, forget that people happen to come to you and it was all about an issue that jen
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together to make sure that the level grows back to, to, to, to the, to the fact that they did, and that the the what ended so i don't think it's only 2 been issues in watching for the child, the company. i get a pay less to say that it was only, you know, that my we, i met while, you know, in the, in the house that you know, if it was ok, i want to bring a ton of back in the prime minister. he insisted they won't be any type of compromise here, basically saying he will take appropriate law enforcement measures and vowed to prison, hidden court. even if a price had to be paid. do you think that if you, if you're at this point in time as you know, the governments prepared to tennyson to explode this into a, into a larger 5 since he came to office in a pre 2018 prime minister. these are the i am,
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it's dr. ease largely about centralization and centralization of power, not within his party, but in his own times. and this is, this trend is going from time to time throughout history since the empire was since it was founded as an empire by the close of the $900.00 century. despite the regime changes, this issue of centralize ation lingers on any end. it's a larger part of problems in the concert. so the attention of or the on the to centralized power by under putting region for forces, put him in confrontation was to grow and late into image or war. it put him in confrontation with oral forces. and now romeo is in another round of war, it put him was a number of regional forces including was gambiola and body shop will most. and now
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that term is for, i'm higher. so the price that i b, m a claims. again, that's no question drugs as a country into another round of violence, but the point must be made here. even if our b, i am at the government is not committed to this other regional units. there are enough reasons in place to disarm our forces. i'm had our forces have been accused by humanitarian organizations for atrocities they committed into drive in romeo embellish angle and was in their own region. the silent and then previously mentioned about the problem in the city of at are you. and the main problem is the city of it are, you were caused by an armored regional forces including the spatial unit. and our regional forces were accused alliance again, a, me and body shop was and it was a and just said,
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didn't finish very quickly. and then i'll bring you in on out on the 2nd line. atalla. just finish that point and then we'll move on. yeah. let me finish this point. so there isn't a united states and one report on here, but human rights are called out. i'm a regional forces for atrocities a comedic. so from the perspective of these and international organizations, there are enough reasons to disarm our regional units and the one dangerous points that usually comes with claims for the modern nationalism like both because this aren't putting downs it now is, is that issue of oral more domination was in the us government, if you count the federal key federal offices today in this over most of them are already taken over by my officials. both of his army is on it. okay. but just to let the selling, i'll give you a chance to, to respond to this. now this government i in that are more inmates despite the fact
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that the prime minister and his colleagues never claimed to be, or on what both ideologically and by or region, they always claims that they work for oral, but a model nationalist. this always make to no one to make the, at this about government in the image of oral more because they want to mobilize. it forces there, there are people against the central government in a dc of. and this is a big, dangerous, because the is, is a conflict again as or against or st. comerica, you are a debt job president. okay. i wanna thank you, donna, i want to let to selina respond to, to what you've been saying. number one that i was preventing by the only variation out of me and he the center of station in the speech on to a region. so that down i you for 10 down this number to read. that means
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all more. do me. she is clear, getting that to be a lift is going to be nation 90 percent of the major people use this reason they got national defense force was completed by the us. what are doing right now is to really that we picked up today by the end. by now they started throwing ziki was all, they just got the things for us. but let me come to the most important point. the most important point for us is our, the i'm how you doing house is security so that people get monday. i'm be the kind of security of the problem, the only one a, b, b we don't mind about the dismantling or the it so as of this patient for this that but the people,
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the i'm out of special forces has been the back and have some of the see here, these are on so i have, i have to mention the fact that i'm a special forces and other special forces are going to be along because if you see that you get a constitution article, 52. so it clearly stipulate is the fact that the read, you know, government to stop the power to organize your own police forces not going to be able to provide security for, for the readers. so i'm a regional ponies sort of the yamaha station close to. so if you see legacy is a lot in the future, it's lego. unless you put a rationale is under and that you feel if you could be solved
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with and i'm the new problem. it's very difficult for people to this, but that's people. yes. ok, kamala, want to talk to bring you back and get, i mean, how much instability are you willing to risk over this issue? i mean, how much more violence in the country going to put up with? how much more can it take? how much more pressure can the prime minister be under before he has to, i guess, come to a negotiating table and the next party need to get passed. so these people, national park has all missions in the shop and we have almost so model is the only party. so if you lead by a party not by nature, and in fact the problem wasn't there, but it's been a national month. he gave one of the few that
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was an issue or not even i think part of the elected by the name of formal there were to give them a live wire. and i don't need to say that over the mission and call it telling me that somebody did it office. i'll be happy if you get this number that made by a little that we have. but the big news and also all the, the, i mean the good and bad you, if you see then there's always need to be quite the vision of i don't see any, don't know if he got come to question of how the water is. if they get ready, what the better, i hope that i can only tell how, what the where the where my descending vision. i come up that he said to give a month. but i wouldn't, i would say that we give them a very, i thought i,
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if we need to because you're very mobile. i'd. yeah, it's something that's already, you know, i've been to the ones that we have just everybody will be we have other people as well. yeah because of the medical and people and i'm. 6 what are you not only just misled? what are the, what are the why do i don't understand what they don't need to do? i think i think they're going to give a lot of fun discuss my model. because a lot of these, i'm how do you, because that is the but i'm not, i'm obviously that's kind of while we know that they do work. but that's, that's too late. they were running special with only go to a minute or so left a ton. i want to finish with you. how is this going to be resolved? are things going to get worse from here? thank you. 11 important point is that role of at this hour, again,
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the award integrated, like i said earlier, was closed because of interest. this in these are particularly the interests of prime minister abby. i am at am sock, unless there is a station and means and place to, to lay mate the power of the prime minister and his growing power from time to time . or even there is, if there is a constituent means to get him out of office. i don't think this problem is going to be resolved immediately. because since he came to the office, he was opening. he has been opening conflicts after conflict in order to consolidate his power. like decided, john is now trying to sate, you know, a dangerous precedent of making this conflict like or against amara, the prime minister himself is make,
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trying to make those conflict something of our own more again as amara, which is a very dangerous path. but let me say one point before before i finish that kind of piece of clay from our national is this about to grad to grow has already been disarmed. there is not trait of whatsoever for i'm our region from to african union is already satisfied about disarmament. and that's a great region. listen to, i'm a nationalist, especially you guys hear the salad and whatever he talks is not about marriage. it's about territorial claimants, a guy, territorial claim. and but sean will territorial going on here. and this is a major fuel in their own going conflict entity. ok, and that is why it is so problematic to resolve it immediately. but this problem is i'm a new wrong in the country and we're just going to have to read out now. so i want to desolate and so one final word, what would you,
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how would you like to finish this? the funding is that the federal government should at least for the decisions for this month, and i'm happy for this and there should be consultation with yamaha horseman, but we have people and we with a, a people even that to grade the neighboring body shop was what kind of got aunty, can you give 4 neighboring people being invaded by our forces daily on daily basis just today? yeah, i know there is a lot of people suffering from invasion violence of our forces that territorial know, claims of i've got from and to what kind of got on the would you give to people
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under traits from other groups and the region. they're out of town, we're going to have to leave it there. i'm really sorry we have we've run out of time. we really appreciate all of your input. thank you for all 3 of our guests camel. how she mahmud atlanta, decker, and distilling chinese. thank you very much for being on inside story today and thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com. forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is add a j inside story from the ta mccrae and the whole team here. bye for now. ah.
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