or the intense heat wave, it's like it's set up as we go on into the we can fish, i was an over towards the west, wanted to shout to the far north of pakistan and a few showers to across the radiant peninsula. central parts of saudi arabia, which was the west looking unsettled with some dust and sand. ah, we are all mom. i'm not a problem, but we have arrest is a problem when a manchester based check born, laurie driver decides to take to the internet to tackle racism. he quickly becomes a significant figure in the fight for the rights of roma. people giving a voice to those least her and launching a charity for those most in need. pongo, calling a witness documentary on al jazeera ah violent hotel in ethiopia is i'm horror of region plans to integrate local military forces into the

national army and police have spots a backlash. the government says the change is essential for national unity. so why is this such opposition and doesn't risk instability? this is inside store. ah. hello and welcome to the program i'm tom mccrae. protests have been held for days in am hora against government plans to merge the regions forces into the national army and police. if the opiate has yet to recover from the war and it's to cry region that ended last year, thousands of people were killed in a conflict marked by wide spread human rights abuses. forces from m horror fought against to grind rebels alongside the national army. but since that 2 year war ended, lee is in, am hara,

have accused the government of ignoring violence against ethnic and horace in the neighboring roy me of region. they believe if m horace forces are absorbed into the national army, the communities will be left open to more attacks. we'll be talking to august about the why the implications of all of this in just a moment. that 1st went in manhattan reports on days of violence and protests against the government's plans. the plans by governments unify the national military of police, the spark to major backlash, protest have been held in the region. many people want to ensure forces their stay under local control, outbreaks involved and reported, and restrictions imposed in some city government that insists there won't be any kind of compromise in terms of ending the spatial courses in which them regents, as well as other regions have benefited from in the past, they've said it's against the constitution of the country and they're going to

fight them and they're going to put them under the yoke and for so the national force there. busy doesn't seem to be any compromise. the government plan will apply to regions that use their own languages and have their own fighting and law enforcement groups. but many of hara accused the federal government of ignoring attacks on ethnic horace living in the neighboring romeo region. they say losing local controlled forces will leave them unable to protect themselves. i, mr. abby ottoman says he's determined to see the plan through. i will take what he calls appropriate law enforcement measures to make it happen. tensions are growing in many fear, confrontation may prove difficult to avoid that. mullin al jazeera. ah . okay, let's bring in our guests now in the addis ababa is a camel ha! she murmured. member of the ethiopian parliament in harrisonburg virginia is a tenant, anchor assistant professor of african history. at james madison university. he

specializes in political history of ethiopia and africa, also and addis ababa is this. elaine cheney senior member of the national movement of m. how are the main opposition party in the ethiopian parliament? a welcome to all of you. thank you very much for being on inside story today. desolate if i can begin with you, can you just explain how large these protests have come? and i guess the anger that's fueled them at to this point. thank you very much for having me. so for this, this, we are, are very large. and it almost every moment of our agents are. so people are monday for the federal government to leave us the decision to dismantle the space on voters. ok, because current that he's on the region is faced with

a lot of treatise security breeders, especially for people if you got it wrong because a lot of the past 3 years, the everywhere. so you have to read on aggression is and why that was funded by a front on the phone. so unless that is why the summit and it's fun just didn't realize it create. this is a key reason and it could be pretty form, and that's why people are putting that issue to the money because it's untimely. and because there was no appropriate because of issues and discussions with us. ok, come out when the prime minister made this announcement, was there any expectation that there would be a backlash,

like i would say over the last 5 or 6 days. thanks. i think in terms of sufficient, whenever you lung to any lie, now there is a probably that might have been, you know, that there's a lot of negative movie that jelly didn't want to fall or the did you want to anyway? you know, come, i believe any plan that comes to women is going to keep you have one. well if you go outside there was because when a creature that people are going to be honest. so i would say this was a longer awaken solution. when i read the great the, you know, at the supreme court, well, we shall go. and if you believe that whatever class you've got

a simple we can't really do. so we have one trunk, you know, national army would you be under one channel? so those are sufficient, i would say that a lot of was the vision because it was a demand for something you do for the sake of the people, one of the addition, but that, that a lot of people need to do the very noble idea. you know, i think they're very strong. one submission, i think would be more positive efficient, but i didn't even think it might happen to be that differently. ok, atlanta, if i can bring you in here. how. how worried are you? how concerned are you about what you've seen over the last week or so? you know, you've got both sides of the moment, refusing really to take it back with staple compromise in any way. so what happens

from here, do you think it's worrisome? but it's important to look into some of the merits on both sides 1st because this conflict goes much beyond what the both sides want to say in public, at least at this time. when at this about went to war was to gray, at least under the leadership of a bit of a regional correlation, which even goes beyond the border of india. i'm our forces the regional spatial unit and find no way a key allies of these are in invading or fighting against the drive. train is another. now when these i wanted to make peace was to dry. at least there was some conversations about our forces went deeply and great. and the amount of forces for people is a nationalist movement rising and our region seems recent years

are moving very fast and claiming a number of a number of progress. but the problem is, the claim coming from a matter of nationalism and that region seems to be clear in many ways, particularly over the last several months as there has been voices that puts claim on power in at this hour. now at this hour, but it said claim design amount, our forces one to still over 0. it's using using some violent method and forces it closed main. highways leading to these are claiming that amount of forces are sending forces on the ground to overthrow it in these are, if you look at this claims, the claim of these, on the other hand, is that it's one just to restore peace and

a country it wants to disarm every regional force, but the main intention behind disarming the regional forces, whether it is r, for romeo or many other regions is to consolidate our b. i much power in d. s. a for you and here what's your response to that? yeah, i see. can i say the a clear demand that is clearly the binding on? so in principle, we support a national unified defense process and a national unified army. we find that the c i pre cut and i can but to give back what i and i yeah for that to be, i mean they should all be monday because we should have if you, if you go, we should have if, if you, if you got out of the so that the course would not ask for the foreground

because as part of the $320.00 agreement, it was a fight that was will be the summer and the movie last. but 0, you need to decide on it, please don't. and there is no any you will be nice if you saw in that they sort of z the saw me and this month means i'm had a station is like leading got the results. any security arrangement or security mechanism i get is that the grounds, but also we can very do reason. i'm her agent. for example, i you was, that looks at all of that. i was not good at least 10 pounds 50 pounds. and the security apparatus was not active, but he's funding for the st. the saw of the month is clear. it's not about a month that you'd be able to get a security arrangement with people. i mean,

the main argument seems to be that it will leave the region exposed to attacks by neighboring areas and including the t p l. it. but wouldn't it more unified, a national army actually be able to better defend against those attacks? you know, over the past years, ah, for example, during the past 25 years, the, you got that national defense part was dominated by people is the majority of leadership was eliminated by that. you've been a, during that time that you get that national defense counsel has to be about it, even if it take you to keep people by now the oral lead posterity party is on. so let me get that national defense forces. so we believe that unless the national security structures are fairly represented and properly for mac, it's very difficult for us to because you got some as to the national defense for.

so in the, at least we need to regain gum had a station process that has to get the defendant, our people from a nation that on. so you can effectively i kept law and one of the reasons that okay, camella wanna bring you back in here. i guess one of the arguments is that the are of horror forces of actually be more effective against the t p l. if, as rather than the government forces that have been that i've been fighting alongside. what's your response to that that, that, you know, the government forces have been rather an effective over the last couple of years and, and fighting the tpl if thank you so much job, but i think because, you know, like, say something to the ship and that came out from by the other one is that no afraid of me, greatly mashing out before we can commit the body. and

that is also a bag which model and the 3rd is going to be national army is dominated by on one. when you click here and this would be the creation of special forces, it should be i. so let's not make it not only and what is it i don't all my mission. i'm sure that i'm to give them a group us. we want to i didn't in the very look at the golf law because oddly, and there hasn't been a lot of fun because that doesn't mean any part people get the like are more or model because i'm like, you know,

that like the way of having the nation, a lot of you every day, but i think that can't be a problem because if it comes to the idea that you needed to be, i guess that's the way that we should up it and the worry of that because they will be who will be sent to you, i think what i'm saying is if they want to drain the, like we said, well, let them dry. forget what the conclusion will have before. even now in addition to the daughter, the number of out of me that it wasn't all, it could be a mission, like those who are now to be that we didn't do much of that. and then i've thrown outside of it. so you see the very good and when you come to the last question, i'll of them. yeah, they do

a lot again, if you feel that, but let's not forget that people happen to come to you. and it was all about an issue that jen together to make sure that the level goes back to, to, to, to the, to exactly and that the, the, what ended so i don't think it's only 2 been issues in watching for the sort of the companies i get a pay less to say that it was only, you know, that might be, i mean, while, you know, in the, in the house that you know, if it was ok, i want to bring a ton of beck and the prime minister is insisted there won't be any type of compromise here, basically saying he will take appropriate law enforcement measures and vowed to prison he'd in court, even if a price had to be paid. do you think that if you, if you're at this point in time, as you know,

the government's prepared to turn this into a explode this into, into a larger 5 since he came to office in a pre 2018 prime minister. these are the, i'm as dr. ease largely about centralization and centralization of power, not within his party, but in his own times. and this is, this trend is going from time to time through our history since the empire was since it was founded as an empire by the close of the 1900 century. despite the regime changes, this issue of centralize ation lingers on any end. it's a larger part of problems in the concert. so i tend to say over the i'm the to centralized power by and they're putting region for forces. put him in confrontation was to grow and late into image or war. it put him in confrontation with oral forces. and now romeo is in another round of war.

it put him was a number of regional forces including was gun below and body shop will most. and now that term is for, i'm higher. so the price that i b, m a claims. again, that's no question drugs as a country into another round of violence, but the point must be made here. even if our b, i am at the government is not committed to disarm other regional units. there are enough reasons in place to disarm our forces. i'm had our forces have been accused by humanitarian organizations for atrocities they committed into dr. in romeo, in bench angle and was in their own region. the silent and their previously mentioned about the problem in the city of at are you and the main problem in the city of us are, you were caused by an armored regional forces including the spatial unit. am our

regional forces were accused alliance again a, me and body shop was and it was a and just said didn't finish very quickly and then i'll bring you in on out on the 2nd line. atalla. just finish that point and then we'll move on. yeah. let me finish this point so there isn't a united states unlike report on here, but human rights are called out. i'm a regional forces for atrocities, a comedic. so from the perspective of these and international organizations, there are enough reasons to disarm amada regional units. and the one dangerous points that usually comes up with claims for the modern nationalism like both because this are putting downs it now is, is the issue of or more domination was in the us government. if you count the federal key federal offices today in this over most of them are already taken over

by officials. both of his army isn't it ok, but it's a little in a get a chance to, to respond to this. now this government i in the or a more inmate despite the fact that the prime minister and his colleagues never claimed to be, or on what both ideologically and by, or region, they always claims that they work for oral, but a model nationalist. this always make to no one to make the, at this about government in the image of oral more because they want to mobilize, it forces their, their people against the central government in a dc of. and this is a big dangerous because it is a conflict again as or against, or st. america or a way that the president ok. i wanna thank you and i want to lead to saline and respond to, to what you've been saying. number one that i was preventing by

the only variation out of me and he, the senate, a horrible speech and i'm hungry. so that down i you for 10 down this number to read that these are all more to me. she is clear getting that to be only discovery, nation 90 percent of the major people. this reason they got national defense force was completed by the us was almost out of green, right. not used to really let me fix that by the end. by now they started throwing ziki was all, they just got the things for us. but let me come to the most important point. the most important point for us is on the, on how to do house is security. so that people is monday. i'm be the kind of security of the problem, the only one a, b,

b we don't mind about the money order it. so as of this patient for this that want to come up, people the, i'm out of special forces has been the past and have some of the see here. these are on so i have, i have to mention the fact that i'm a special forces and other special forces are constitutionally i love because if you see the, if you can constitution article 52. so it clearly stipulate is the fact that read, you know, government are the power to organize your own police forces that going to be able to provide security for, for the readers. so i'm a regional police for the i'm had a station poster. so if you see legacy, if this a lot in the future,

it's lego, unless you put a rationale is, again the and that you feel if you could be solved with and i'm a new product. it's very difficult for people to this, but i thought that's people thinking yes, okay, come all i want to talk to bring you back and get i mean, how much instability are you willing to risk over this issue? i mean, how much more violence in the country going to put up with, how much more can it take? how much more pressure can the prime minister be under before he has to, i guess, come to a negotiating table and the next party need to get passed. so these people, national park will have all missions in the shop and we have almost so much as long as the party. so if you lead by a party not by nature. and in fact the i wasn't,

if i could have been there last month, he gave me one of the few classes that minimum of an issue or not even i think part of the elected by the number there were to give them a little while and i don't need to say that over the mission and call it telling me that number. so many students office. i'll be happy if you get this number that made by a little more on that we have different but the big cookies. and also all the, the, i mean they go to bed. if you see them, they all want me to be quite vigilant. i don't see any, do not come to the question of how water is if they were ready, what to be honest. i hope that i can only tell how what the where the where

my descending and vision. i cannot that he said to give a month. but i wouldn't, i would say that we give them a very, i thought i, if we need to because you're very mobile. yeah. it's something that's already, you know, i've been to the one that comes up with that. i'll call john, we have just everybody who we are. we are never you people out because of the medical is let's special and people and i'm. 6 what are you not only just misled? what are the, what are the why do i don't understand what they don't need to do? i think i think they're going to give a lot of fun discuss my model. because a lot of these, how do you? because that is that, but i'm not, i'm obviously that's kind of why we know that they do work, but that's, that's too late. they were running special with only go to a minute or so left

a ton. i want to finish with you. how is this going to be resolved? are things going to get worse from here? thank you. 11 important point is that role of at this hour, again, the award integrated, like i said earlier, was closed because of interest. this in these are particularly the interests of prime minister abby, i am at am sock, unless there is a constituent means and place to to limit the power of the prime minister and his growing power from time to time. or even there is, if there is a constituent means to get him out of office. i don't think this problem is going to be resolved immediately. because since he came to the office, he was opening. he has been opening conflicts after conflict in order to consolidate his power. like decided, john is now trying to sate, you know,

a dangerous precedent of making this conflict like or against amara, the prime minister himself is make, trying to make those conflict something or of or more against amara, which is a very dangerous path. but let me say one point before before i finish that kind of piece of clay from our national is this about to grad to grow has already been disarmed. there is not trait of whatsoever for i'm our region from to african union is already satisfied about disarmament. and that's a great region. listen to, i'm a nationalist, especially you guys hear the salad and whatever he talks is not about marriage. it's about territorial claimants, a guy, territorial claim. and but sean will territorial going on here. and this is a major fuel in their own going conflict entity. ok, and that is why it is so problematic to resolve it immediately. but this problem is

i'm a new wrong in the country and we're just going to have to read out now. so i want to desolate and so one final word, what would you, how would you like to finish this? the funding is that the federal government should, at least for the decision for this month's bill. and there should be consultation with yamaha horseman, but we have people and we, with a lot of people, even that took right the neighboring body shop was what kind of got aunty. can you give 4 neighboring people being invaded by our forces daily, on daily basis? just today. yeah, i know a lot of people

suffering from invasion violence of our forces that territorial, no claims of i've got from and to what kind of got on the would you give to people under traits from other groups and the region they out of town. we're going to have to leave it there. i'm really sorry we have we've run out of time. we really appreciate all of your input. thank you. at all 3 of our guests camel, how she, mahmud atlanta, decker, and distilling chinese. thank you very much for being on inside story today and thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com. forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is add a j inside story for me, tom mccrae and the whole team here. bye for now. ah

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