i been in power in the 1st place, but on the other hand, the civilians have failed to unite. they'll act, they have failed to speak in one voice. they have failed to agree on a power sharing that is meaningful. and that can convince the other side to give them power. and the countries of these images that, that this, i mean you have the people who are or why been demonstrating the streets over the last couple of years. they are completely against the civilian parties. they say the civilians, civilian parties are failed. just like the army has failed. these civilian components of the political scene have failed because they couldn't unite their voice. they are fighting over the sharing of power for the shares of power for the individuals. and they don't represent us. so we have been, we have seen a move, a popular movement, industries calling for both the political class and the army to stay away from power and to leave it for a general election. and the people, the people themselves should elect

a leadership or i am humbled fowl. thanks for sharing that perspective. it's top of the hour now it's just gone 10, g m t. let's listen in for a 2nd. to very dramatic and depressing images that broke a few hours ago in sudan. and i'm willing to look on the geometry video that a little over a month in advance should model it . a

lot of you don't wanna yamaha to 9 pm hot and i my them you didn't want that. my v would not be on the bill that might it got the aids one minute after 10 g m t m rob matheson, you are watching all to 0. is continuous coverage of the unrest in sudan coming up in the next 60 minutes. ha, ha, ha! a violent escalation and sudan, there's been heavy fighting between the army and a pot of military force. all flights have been cancelled khartoum international airport, but alms man are on the tarmac. the fighting is extended to the northern cities sign of norway. ah,

you are joining are continuing, breaking news coverage from sudan. there's been a heavy fighting across the country as tensions between the cities army and a powerful pot of military force spill over into the streets. now i me says is defending itself from raw tax by the rapid support forces across the capital call tomb. it's now designate in the force as a rebel group. the rapid support forces say their bases were attacked by the army. on thursday, the army reported the potter military unit was mobilizing in the area. let's go straight to have a morgan anyhow to me who is going to be bringing us out today. we're going to get to her in just a couple of minutes, but joining us on the phone from khartoum as asked got me say, see the chairman of the l. j. m, the national liberation and just as party. thank you very much. indeed for being with us, what is the situation that you are aware of at the moment?

the situation where the confrontation, we can say, if i'm just basically didn't want to see what's going on. unfortunately, because nobody, it didn't happen that there was some, i mean, there's some truth to the, to do this. and they agreed that they should, they should. how surprising is the fact that this, those statements were being made just a few hours ago and now stood on, is finding in the itself, in this very extreme situation. what is that? something upon the issues, not order $200.00 to be malicious. and this is definitely

a big into kind of being with regard to who is actually doing the fighting. there has been some degree of speculation about the parties that are involved in this, the 2 sides. it appears on the face of it to between be between the r s f and the military. is there any indication that it could actually be elements within either of those 2 groups who are carrying out this action? or do you understand that this is actually the military against the r s s go far from the formation that the, from the media. and i'm from friends only brought it to the news. no use of any other groups to being in. is there any indication? yes. or go on my way? yeah, my worry that if i can go on, this was if it is it a roof?

i mean, who would not be, but you know, the country in the country over here and that we definitely encourage 2 departments, probably their audience. that is, if it does not appear as though the leaders of the 2 organizations involved in this are going to be able to, to find a solution to this in your opinion. where would that solution come from? oh, great wouldn't be that they wouldn't be able to come to the solution to this issue . otherwise the country would be a part of the solution for them to get together and then set to the problems that have been that have been calling the company. but

i think many quotes from, i mean it's nice and some of the read it, what is it got to be i'm not to allow people to mediate in this as i mentioned before. so your chairman of the national liberation and justice party. is there any pressure that you and part of your party in parties like yours might be able to bring to try to facilitate some sort of contact between the 2 military leaders? we have always been doing that. i mean for, for quite a long. 5 i there was a move that, that, that, that actually met him at the, including a member of a letter of a group plan. and they were very, very promising news. but i don't know what happened this morning. one of us in

company broke out. i was gonna say, we appreciate you being with us. thank you very much. indeed we're going to go to have a morgan whose life for us in the how to have. i just bring this up to date with our viewers who are just joining us about what's happening while heavy gunfire is still continuing around the vicinity of the presidential palace. so it's not clear yet who is still in control, whether the rapid support. 4th is how the upper hand of the presidential palace or whether the food in these forces are the ones in control of that palace. we also don't know who is still in control of the airport. there is still heavy fighting ongoing between the 2 sides. lots of areas around the capital, we can see more from the northern parts of the capital, as well as the southern parts of the capital residence being told to stay indoors. and we have also a statement from dakota needs, dr. physician that they have been the rural injuries amongst civilians who were

caught in the crossfire between the rapid support forces and the military. now both sides are accusing each other of being the ones to thought a big, big one behind the thoughts of this a confrontation. but the tension have been there for a while now, rob and it doesn't look like it is going to be d escalating anytime soon. especially with statement from the army that they are doing their constitutional duties and have declared the rapid support for a rebel group. now defy being, it's like just a week ago and then you have to statements from the rapid ward 4th thing they will do anything to defend themselves. and that the head of the rapid support for that is personally commanding the battle between the rapids support. 4th and the army. you said that the tension hadn't actually been in place for, for some time. no. just give us some of the background to this. what were the 1st signs that this situation could start to arise? well, the early sign, the early warning signs that we thought was when the head of the rapid,

before the 4th is described, the october 21st military takeover as a mistake. and, but it has let prevent further political turmoil, despite the fact that one to take over happened in october 2021. he ambled hon. we're both allies. he would be head of the deputy. he was the head of the sovereignty council here, the deputy head of the conference council and han was the head of that buffering to counsel. and the other sign that things were going bad between them was during the few period sector reform discussions. and that the discussions between political parties and the armed forces including b, r, a military, rapid support. 4th of, on how to reform the army during the transition period. to come up with one single national unified army. now the, our staff wanted a 10 year period for integration into the army. while the army wanted a 2 year period. then the issue of the command that the rest of want to fall under the command of a civilian government. while the military wanted the earth to fall under if command, those were some of just the major issues that continue to widen. the gap between

the 2 fights and of course on went the, the movement of our f, f troop to a base near and setting up a base. we air base which was controlled by the food in these on 4th of up until about an hour ago. now when the rest of them tell me about a week that highest potential between the 2. and this was the final find that things were going to go to a full on confrontation. and this is what happened in the early hours of saturday here in the capital. and in my we, i said morgan bringing some dates from a call to me. money car guy is a member of the southern council head of the sedans people, liberation movements. the norse and a mediator who met both the general behind and i met him yesterday, joining us now on the phone. thank you very much. indeed for being with us. what is your reaction to what is happening in sudan? now given the fact that you had that meeting just a few hours ago, thank you for having me. i don't know whether you are hitting the piping

around the bottle. but anyway, it is a disturbing and worrying population when sees a loser. and we ought to do something about it. we try to do about 3 days ago, myself and my money. we try to talk to most generals if it's the so that we actually reach some sort of understanding the situation till we actually to meet this morning at 10 most of them. and then they both meet with us so that we use the situation our preference. so that we needed immediate solution or the immediate problem that we need to freeze is activation. and then you can get the forces on there because

most of most sysadmin, but the formation positions on that one, whether it's a bit or which i really know it is. unfortunately, we are exerting trying to talk to boss yet. i was trying to, i'm going be into them so that if they could make immediate sci fi, i'm again, please the situation till we find the solution. was in the table to send one this one to mediately, so that we ended up, right. it is a very good thank you. could continue going to be the 5 is a thing and the last is waiting to be, but a but it high. i'm not talking about the the, the final part of a 2nd priority. priority is to make a fire media future please. the simulation we're just as you're talking

over cartoon that appears to be what it looks like, a military jet flying over the city at the moment, during the mediation efforts that you had over the last few weeks. and the meetings that you had with the generals on both sides. did you have any indication at all that that was a chance that this situation could arise? well, actually it is upset bryce because both sides. sure. within all these meetings that we had, that they're not going to move that way to freeze the tuition. if they were to be believed, then we were saying that situation is quality such as it is now, we saw it is not going to go ahead. i'm not sure what it was on my way to them so that we talk them out over the thanks. took a look at that. maybe it was a school, pretty closely fundraising, the deletion of, well, when you put in

a bucket formation, but at closing, is that something will happen. but if you have a strong commander that will also control happen. but chief wen went ahead anyway, we don't know who it is. it is unfortunate way by stop it. and it is also in question that way, but it's also losing much so then in terms of what happens next with regard to mediation, given the situation that we're seeing now in sudan, should those mediation efforts come from inside the country? or do you think it is going to take some external pressure to bring both sides together and result in at least some sort of temporary so far? i mean, if there is an outside mediation that that'd be going to be listen to. that of course, would be welcome by, by us, so that nice and look up what it should be one come by by the journalist, but up to now the solution is still within the bounds of the to get us the priority

. if that's so that is bleeding, we need to stop that. then after we can look at the final related solutions, the head of the r s f has said that they are, i have has no intention of harming any civilians. but what are your concerns about the civilian population and sit on? well, it doesn't let i know in the war i've been 40 years in war. i know that works well . it doesn't select. whenever there is a bullet, there is also put you on this opportunity stick. people can hear it in the wall in a way or another before economic reasons for the diesel in the seasons. you think, i mean when, when, when it comes for things are not always under 100 or some control because you can control the forces that mediate somebody on us. but out of us. but in such a situation, especially when you're fighting in a big baby, is different that other than fighting in an area where we used to fight. and she's

on the 6th where you can compose this felicia. yeah. it country and i was nobody is never, never very interesting to get your thoughts on this malika god, thank you very much indeed for being with us and i'll just thank you. i'm so what is sedans, rapids support forces? the unit was formed in 2013 to fight on groups in the data for region that was later used in crackdowns and anti government process. the rapids support forces lead that responds to rallies and called to them in june 29. 2019 in which 123 people were killed and hundreds were injured. last month talks between the powder military unit and the army failed to reach an agreement and why they will be integrated into the armed forces. the rapid support forces, se needs chain years where the army wants only to. on joining us now from how to me is much more mocking sedans, former foreign minister, give us your reaction to what's happening. let us monitor

him. thank you very much. for this interview in this critical time, i am here sleeping in my house, listening to the voices of the exchange of farmers listening to the voice of the aeroplanes above the skies of come to the capital. and i really feel very have been very angry actually i'm in age and i, i say to bit both of them sham. when you bought you, you have been in pocket whole this grid devolution and you already committed 10 people. and we came back to our senses as to the nice rational people, unwise lead it. and you again clenched that you, we live at a buck the, they power to the civilians. and now why and the civilian operation. the political

operation is that the thing was its end, they come this interruption of this month, pentagon war that is districts, again the how these 2 men regard this with an is equal in as very low this war needs. that doesn't need to come because it takes too stupid problem. park is to go to war. things were already agreed to be settled by baylock. already we have signed a bit better off for security except the reform it was signed by both of them. then they other civilian forties supported their agreement. so yes, this war was not at all anticipated. though we have been seeing how there have been deploying the troops from everywhere. how they have been confronting each other in

inside the light is that the neighborhoods of the civilian people and in type the capitol hospital. we thought this was just a show of a lot of or sure horse because they have been able both of them around themselves. but to take some things to this level. and to the last hit, the security of the civilians deliberately like they did a lot of them. this is absolutely shame on both of them. and this is a very serious failure in day political will. and the law station now or they, they, the decision to the civilian security inside their homes and in their, their site isn't in neighborhoods, will, will, will not go unpunished. it will not go in part of this is very serious, being done deliberately over several weeks. and now each of them is claiming that the other one is thought the door and because it is temp will of course,

teach one with the night. but the truth will come very soon at the very high course of the nice people to learn blood at betty cause or for the nice people in security and feeling of insecurity as high cost of the permission of. so then as, as a, as a, as a courtesy of a good solution to be the box acted like this. really, it is something that is putting me really passionate in the age. and i don't see the point because most of them, they know, no one can win because it is all for this is the national. so then it's 40, which is respected by everybody, which it is they before. see if that is a time for the security of done by the, by the constitution. but i've been support course is initiated on the stablished by the so that he's on for and actually by the previous game. but they have been great job in supporting that of illusion. we know for the last at least.

6 most that have been huge, come back over the previous gym, the national coal response, b. c, p, who have been inciting lots of anger or lack of both amongst and between the 2 of them. and also among this with these public opinion because they said, and they said that when they are out for they will so that we will be the prostate . he's actually, there are no actual are using their promise in this also very bad way showing that the ncp. what did we tried to deal with them as country men and women? having the citizenship. they were, they were cut off. they were not. i'd like to talk to you earlier on this is give me for interrupting you, but you raised an interesting point about the impact that this is going to happen.

sit down, sit on, of course, is a country wave i struggling economy. what do you think that the impact of this conflict, even though it last me for 24 hours or so, even if it's short lived, what kind of impact is that going to happen? me? absolute. the only only the deployment was, was the funding for them only the deployment, even before they have the, the, the ada, the add port, and they order the hub to them is totally disconnected and putting to sign the still before the best. so then as a co missing lance, of for many, sol, tooth as a very important threats. he connecting the east and africa and the west and africa and, and making a good opportunities in agriculture. and now we are approaching into the, the, what we call it the,

the summer season of culture. all that they have really the boss, anything. and it is neatness and it is nonsensical. now already the to that and the security he apparatus, they declared that a good support was as, as that had been group and that they are waking war against them. and the rep is support for the saying them depending been, so we know that they have been so many, 10 years in that was it was all it was all within that each of his illusion because everybody confesses that he's on post will not be united all that if it's a whole lot mid in these are all that have a group who came out they, they been issue the warning party who came through they do what these agreements

are all made together because this is a major cole porter. that illusion is to make a call for us in this political opposition to have a one national phishing an army because our call this committee, we appreciate you being with us and just to forgive me for interrupting you. unfortunately, time is against us, but i am not wanting to sit on a former for mr. mam. thank you very much indeed for being with us. thank you. well, joining us by phone from berlin is, has those cookies a member of your fee now non violent resistance movement in sudan. he's currently a battling airport waiting for his flight to sedan, but just got cancelled. thank you very much indeed for talking to us. what's your reaction to what's been happening? it's crazy. this morning, i was just like going home. i was going family and stuff and suddenly there, while i was on the way to the airport, i started seeing all this news watching the airport taken over watching all this and slowly realizing that i'm actually not going to make it back home. i'm

devastated because the moment you have a bullet in the air, our voices of non violence because muted. you said you were talking to members of your family prior to getting towards your flight. have you been speaking to them recently? have they been telling you what they have been seeing and hearing? yes, yes, right now they're showing. they actually have pictures and videos of military plays passing through the house. the fire in the arise in the seeing smoke that hearing the bullet there's sitting in front of the tv. when all the just trying to catch what all is happening, what hope do you think there is for any sort of trying any effort to try to find a solution to this in the next few hours? i mean, sadly, not, not that big. it seems like they have to finish despite, but they started our voices and not being heard right now by them. and right now

both sides trying to get the people on their side. so we are actually surprised that internet is not cut normally when you have a big bought this and then it's got right away to obviously they want information to be just as it people though we side with one of the 2. and obviously we don't want to side with either, obviously to this is the fight that is beyond that. and just remember, these are the 2 boys that came together and created the crew that were there. now what they're fighting. it's just like it's their flight, not ours. what do you think the attitude of people in saddam is to this they live through the, the icing of president of a sheer in 2019 they've lived through the crew as you say. now there is more fighting on the streets of some of their towns and cities. how are people going to respond to this? not, not just more fighting this the 1st time we're seeing such fighting and ever in our history. it's always the fighting. and even when they get said was happening in the, for the fight was far from the 1st time. a 4th is actually fighting within

the reach of everybody. so this is very different where everybody's hiding their houses at seeing forces in the ground. they're fighting and killing each other. so this is new. this is something that we never saw before. that and how to do so people would be like a 4th of the population of their lives. and that is like 10000000 people living though it's, it's huge and everybody is hearing it and everybody scared. so this is beyond what we ever seen in our lives ever. and then add the reaction definitely is is wow. the creation that the rapid response for that was created by our motor bashir to defend him. i guess we have the army definitely turned to get the army and this is what we get. and roberts was for this, remember it actually turn, i guess, or whatever. and now during to get the army and in that the always that, that it used to be demolished and removed and the army always defended. and also

did the same thing with. 8 government and that the poach always defended down a city. and right now it is obvious, this militia came and this is what they're doing. and it's just one of those things like i have no clue can happen to billions. i don't think we have a role right now to play the military needs to figure it out. and hopefully, hopefully this will stop. but at this moment is a moment where we're waiting. is this, the civil war is this is this bill is going to be huge and i feel normally what we feel would be, think you have 3 days in the next 3 days. if this is a stop, then it's not going hazardous cooker. we appreciate you talking to such hazards. crocker, member of your finance, a non finite non violent resistance movement in sudan. he was currently at berlin airport, waiting for his flight to sedan that just got cancelled. i want to show you some pictures that were looking at at the moment, of course, which is the live pictures from. those were like pictures from my cartoon with the

smoke building across. these are live pictures from sudan t v. we'd heard from guests earlier on that, according to the local media in sudan. nothing has essentially changed. they appear to be running regular programming. the any sort of indication of what's happening in their country has been coming from international media. from some degree of us social media as well. but as far as, as said, mtv and other media organizations are concerned, it is appears as though nothing is happening because this, as i say, all appears to be regular t v. i hear that. yeah, he okay. if you're just joining us, it's $1030.00 g m t, and there's been fighting across sudan between the army and it's most powerful part of military force. the army says it's defending itself from attacks by the rapids. support forces is now designate in the force as a rebel group. the rapid support forces say their bases were attacked by the army.

you can talk to her about morgan whose life was in khartoum. about this is clearly come as a surprise to many people in sit on because it was only a few hours ago that it sounded as though there were negotiations going on. that could actually find some sort of a reproach. small, some sort of agreement between sedans, army and the rapid support forces. well, it was more like cautious optimism that was the going on around the capitol cartoon, especially amongst political parties here because there was concern of if things don't work out between the 2, then this was what was going to happen. and it is indeed what happened. now of course, tensions have been ongoing for days now. it has been escalating for days between the 2 sides. and now it has reached its peak. we've been seeing statements from both the rapid support forces and the military as fighting continues in many parts of the capital. the military saying that it is still in control of the republican

palace, the presidential palace. that is, as well as the army headquarters here in hotel and the airport, and that it was able to report repel attacks by the rapid support forces. now the rapid support forces they, they are in control of metally air base, which is where the tensions happen. escalating before we start as battles broke out, the army just put out a statement, conflicting that the, that that statement thing, they are still in control of not just the air based in memory, but around the country as well. and they were able to deploy their a fighter jets. so this is obviously taking a turn for the worse for, for both sides and for the civilians here. because now there are civil in casualties. rob, there are reports of deaths among civilians and several injuries to the point where the doctors are calling on all medical personnel to head to the hospitals because of the emergency that is resulting from that battle between the 2 sides. a bar. and i realize, of course, that you've moved in, sorry, now you were outside earlier on you, we're giving us a description of the noises of the guy of the gun far you could hear and heavier

weapons as well. do you have any indication now at the book kind of stage, the fighting is at least in the area where you are there is still gunfire that we can hear around where we are. and that's because, again, we are not far from the presidential palace went far from the army headquarters. and because things are escalating, things are not getting better. it's actually getting the fighting is getting heavier and more intense. we were able to hear just a few minutes ago. heavy artillery being fired, clear from where, but the smoke, the amount of smoke that you can see covering the skies and heard them have greatly increased. now it's in the southern parts of the capitol as well as the northern part of from the capitol we here in hot food. but we can see across the bridge in the northern parts of what we can see, smoke rising from several buildings, many facilities that have been destroyed and undermined as well. we can see smoke rising from several facilities, a clear who has that much the which was really easy. but again,

we're hearing from the army that they still have control of all major facilities. that includes the airports, the state television, the presidential palace and the army headquarters. while the earth have said, if they are in control of matter, we air base something that the, the army is denying and saying, no, it's not happening. so fighting is still ongoing. we can see 5 h as being deployed to be used against, against the rest of because again, the only site that has 5 to just here in the battle is the military and not the recess. arthur beth, how strong weaponry on the ground that they have a strong infantry division. they have tanks and they do have a large, large force of the right or rather large troops station around the country. but they do not have fighter jets. that's one thing that the army trump over the r f f and it could play a big role in what happens and who went the battle, or at least in the short term, who has the upper hand of a note. thank you very much indeed. have a morgan talking to some call to me?

0 is mohammed valez covered sudan extensively is whether it's live in the studio. i'm just seeing on the, the was here the secretary state onto the blinking has made a statement saying there might be other actors pushing against the progress that has been made towards a civilian government given the level of coverage that you've had in sit on. can you give us an idea of who those other actors might be? well, we know that the, the 2 leaders are on the, on the tool sides of this conflict today. they have their own foreign relations. that not only have their armies within the, within the country, they'll state within the state. i'm talking to about alice. f monmouth had done douglas, but also they have foreign relations proper to them. and they have alliances with other countries. i'm not trying to explain what the americans are saying or, or, or verify it, but talking about, you know, this subject everyone into their nose. but that the of the photographer hand

has ties with egypt and that mohammed handle the glue recently report. a recent reports talking about ties with each of you is, are just 2 examples. but there are several other countries in the region that have their hands in their situation. so then in one way or the other air. so that might be what the americans are referring to. but there are also accusations that the americans are there. they have their own voice so that they have been involved in the situation so than 4 decades that there were behind the push for the separation of the south to some extent. and they have their own voice to start. so i mean that the, what the americans are saying can also be said against them and the intentions on every foreign ad flare are not clear. we have the, all those envoys. we have all that leverage. but the european union has because they provide money to mohammed than douglas the, the head of the, our safe. we have the countries that supporter and behind, what are they doing?

do they have real intentions? do they really want to end this additional to prevent a civil war? and so then that's a question. and really the, the, the situation towards civil war is the one that is going to be in everybody's mind . we heard from one of our guests as we had just a few moments ago, that who said that if this progress is more than 3 days, we are looking at a civil war in sudan. talk as to what a civil war in sudan might look like. the stan has seen several civil war or at least 2 main civil wars, one in the south and one in dot 4. and both of them took thousands and thousands of lives in the south. it was, you know, probably 2000000 lives. and so then is familiar air civil wars, but not in the center itself. so that's why that's, that's why the gravity of us going on now is unprecedented. because cartoon, for many years now has been preparing not caught on itself, but the players have been preparing for such such a war. if it happens,

we have the forces a minimum in i. e from therefore we have visibility brought him who is the minister of finance? we have our address, the nose is still and our 4 is not in it. cartoon boe out of, so a presence of the sudan people liberation movement. who have just been speaking with the chairman of that movement, malakai, gar, all or most of these factions, half weapons, and men armed men in cartoon itself. so this is not going to be the dark for scenario or the south scenario. this is going to be all of those scenarios combined and reproduced and taken to them to a maximum degree. you have these movements already, they have been gaining weapons, they have the money from the state coffers. they have the money because all of them are ministers. and they have for a support, they are own for delicious and so on. so you can imagine what's going to happen if a civil war really, you know, goes on. and if this fight goes on,

it intensifies the prospect of these other factions joining and eventually dividing cartoon and the it's center itself into different, you know, at different locations under their control. you can imagine what's going to happen to the civilian population. what's going to happen to the unity of sudan, and how is he going to play out originally as well? so the other big question of course, is how do you fix those, how the, and how do you fix it quickly. but from what you're saying, in many ways, we're not just talking about the, the rubber serv, support forces, and the sudan army within this, we're talking about a whole different number of players. i one would imagine that is going to be very difficult to try to find a solution even in the short term that will give a pause to this conflict that would actually satisfy most or all of the players that are involved in this right. this is why you know, the, the, the gentleman who was talking, he said if it continues for 3 days, it's going to be out of control. because these factions, i talked about, they have alliances with both sides in this side or the other. and it's going to be

difficult for them to state. eat newton. i mean that they're the allies in the 2 camps will ask for their allies from among these groups to come to join to help. because they are, you are ministers in the government and you are this and that, and you have these facilities, you have these, you know, derogative, you have these share of power. so you have to defend it. you have to help us. so that means that everyone is going to join if it continues. so that means that the, that the best scenario now is to nip this air situation in the bud, finish it today or tomorrow, before this, before it expands. and this is the responsibility of course, of both the political at forces. these were then and also those foreign policy that have leverage into that. and as who it was is telling us a few minutes ago and the hospitals are already saying that people have died as a result of this conflict, those of civilian deaths. and that was precisely what both sides said that they were prepared to avoid. and clearly that is not going to happen that adds

a civilian death, death of any sort or in very of lee. i had a terrible incident, but that just adds more attention to an already very difficult situation. when civilians who are not involved in this conflict start being killed, right? and that could, that can feed the war further. when, when homes are attacked, when neighborhoods are attacked, when people are killed in the states, it's not ought to be the go to that. it's not only going to be catastrophic situation for the civilians, but it's also going to fan the flames of war because some of the people, the young who have been the young people have been demonstrating the streets. now they are angry at that at both sides. so who knows where they will, i mean, which side they will go, they will join or what kind of, you know, are probably a new forces. they will create to defend their neighborhoods, to defend their homes. and that is going only to add to the, to the tom, to the death of, of,

of the war and the complexity of the situation in looking at the situation further down the line towards, or what had been an intention to move towards the transitional government. that all of that is based on trust. one can only imagine there is no trust anymore. how far back do you think has this set? that whole process that they were working towards? well, trust has been dwindling in sudan for many years now. and i mean, you have seen 2 or 3 years of demonstrations against the presence of the military and the control of the military in politics. or i'm in the, those for testers in the states are now feeling vindicated. but, you know, we gave you, at least we, we allowed you to stay in power or we, you know, we tried to convince you to stay away from power. but, you know, finally you have and you clean the military, have clean but the military. and so that are the only institution that can maintain law and order, and now they have filled this test. and this is why i'm not, i've been,

i've been saying before that this way probably for hunt is until now not shown any . we're not getting any kind of explanation of what's happening. what are the words he can, he can, he can bring to this? what eat, what kind of narrative is going to say to this within his people now to justify what's going on. he is in control of the army and the armies fighting fighter jets are in the skies of cartoon and smoke rising and pip be killed and he could have prevented this. oh, of course they are claiming that the alice of houses thought of this. but we don't know, and the 2 men were sitting globe with the negotiation was going on just a few hours ago. so they, they, both of them are responsible in the eyes of the public. not talking for myself, but in the eyes of the sudanese public, they are responsible for this wish and they were able capable of preventing it, ma'am, and for no, thank you very much. indeed, al jazeera mohammed val, while we're bid some getting some reactions from the international community

secretary of state, am see blinking says the u. s. remains focused on supporting sedans, transition to a civilian lead government. the major parties in, in cartoon, some weeks ago, reached a very important framework agreement on how to proceed with a transition to civilian government. it's a, it's a fragile situation. there are other actors that may be pushing against that, that progress. but this is a real opportunity to finally carry forward the civilian la transition and one that we and other countries are trying to are to bolster. so we're right, we're very focused on that. along with, with other other partners. we're going to bring in our made abraham. he used to work for former prime minister, abdullah hon. dr. is joining us know from cartoons so thank you very much. indeed for being with us. just talk me through what you have been hearing and seeing

cartoon this morning. well, we'll come this morning to the sounds of heavy artillery. have you been from the capital? and we've just been following through the unused to see what's going on and the following statements that we are seeing from the auto. so it should be could be very, very much you can calculate to the team bad. they have control the come by my they have been told that i did there and see off the solving council again behind the airport to mentally light into the sea that they did something flashes just recently out. minutes ago. now we are hearing that there is now the air force has doing the battle.

and there's been some edify against the camps. in the books, they just called some places we don't know until when the phone service but actually on in the house that is wanting to see that we want to speak in their homes trying to be safe to find that that we are facing. and we hope that we can soon have some disarming stability because a lot in so i'm not, i'm the easy getting and we have the can, this is the 1st time you see it, him and this is the 3rd time you see it in the capital of the form in december of

high school and we hope that this and fast that the different parties can find column downs for the sake of news. because so far we have seen videos online about some stuff. so yours being taken took us to be by auto service. it's not the update, the scene violations and that people to the, on the streets. and apparently we need bought a wisdom in how to go on this is that said that we are lacking today in today's wednesday, when some went about government tried to go to an airport, the database and most of them without any kind of feedback. and since

then, things have escalated to this point that we have. we can do it this morning into our funding mohammed volume. we were talking about the fact that be any efforts to try to find a solution to this. and even in the long term, toward working towards a transitional, government are based on trust and one can only imagine as we were talking about, that trust is no longer a factor in any of this in order to try to bring this to some sort of even temporary cease fire. is there a way that you could think of bringing both sides together? is that a possibility that both sides are able to be brought together to at least give a pause to what's going on? i don't think that opposed to previous circumstances is possible. and i think that once the 1st going so does fire. it's not easy to define them and to the

law, the whole dynamics of stopping all it is becomes completely different on the dynamics to sustain a war or sustain about this is about so far as i see, it is the philosophical war and there is no comparison when it comes to go to the type of that the south has, has a bossing for us. that was the main purpose of its inception with time and law enforcement from the previous the in the us, which is a family 5 started form their own mission to hold the power for the for the time being, i think there is no sound louder than the found the gun on the sounds of the vehicle around the tags and even

get this guy for a solution to be found. i think what the, the leadership, this is our thinking is that they're going to take advantage of this of what happened didn't matter. we just happened this wanted to try and find a solution for what they believe is the problem. if being an independent entity this, this, when the statement by thursday morning said that the troops that have been mobilized days has done so without even coordinating the leadership, which in the command came out. i mean, a big thing. so this was supposed to be solved. it in the political process,

that's the same time, december 5th. but apparently, the last 4 shop that was supposed to be before the finding of the final ticket agreement, 2 weeks plus i go for the bug when they couldn't find the solution or come on ground consensus at the integration of the us. if within the i want that level of integration, forgive me for interrupting but, but i wanted to ask you about this integration. the integration of the rapid support courses was absolutely vital to the process of finding some sort of transitional government for sudan. is it fair to say that the rapid support forces are unlikely to survive in their current form, assuming that this conflict is brought to an end and efforts begin again to try to

find some sort of understanding in some sort of way forward. i actually saw the what used to be the case for that and what is to be the life before the morning of this day will not be the case. i will not be the life of 14 happened when the last bullet is the bill of the company discussion. and there was always variation, logic variation between what the leadership is bothering to be the integration and the unification of the general command. and because the army and what the army is proposing this, remember one thing that you could even find in 2020 has said i thought until you

degrade the groups, the, the one that spoke with my, the guy commander, why the guy and the other groups go under america, who has me that is completely different from the so that new me from this is elise money for us to get a lot of money is forces into that into the military . so if my guy who used to find the needed money to integrate his troops more or less obvious f, which has always been supporting for us for the army, which it's, it's weapons, i'm all number county that saying is i'm the training is better to be within this,

i am saying that the 59 months we've been we've been in the agreement. so all in all, i think things that work before this morning. lots continue to be the same after the hopefully the soon end of this of this class was donna, this to work for former for so forgive me, i do apologize. been afraid, i'm going to have to turn to roger because time is against us, but thank you very much. indeed for being with us. all earlier we spoke on the audio mohammed al tomonium, a citizen and actually in khartoum. she says the violence cold civilians by surprise on people in the capitol are frightened. it's frightening. it's not just worry, it's frightening because they literally reached the point of no return. this latest escalation shows that all the talks, all the negotiations have fallen that they have failed miserably. because until

yesterday night we were reading and being and being told that an agreement has been reached between both sides, between the hours of the army. so then to wake up this morning and to hear of these crashes goes, it is just point the finger that we don't know what's going to happen next. so far they have mean we have, i haven't heard of any casualties if 1000000 casualties, more of a person army personal casualties. but it is between them and, and we, the people are the ones caught in the middle. and cartoon is a very densely populated city. it's not open spaces, so it's so anything that can go wrong, it will be devastating me. but then again, this is new to us in the center. but for those who've been living in our for, or in the mountains, this is, this was a norm for them. but for us in the center, it's not. and it's definitely not a pleasant experience to live, to go through. no one knows pharmacy. i don't think anyone knows what's happening.

we keep getting different reports. our stuff is in the arm is in the airport shooting in the one way. we don't know what's happening. it's just getting snippets of information from social media, from friends and contacts and colleagues. and the good thing is, so far the internet hasn't been shut down. so in that sense it's a blessing. autism. as mohammed vol still with us and the studios were covering this breaking news. one of the key factors, which is guess have been mentioning over the last hour is the fact that now we are seeing violence in cartoon, which is not something which has been happening before. certainly in recent memories, just how significant do you think the fact that this is actually happening? incidence capital. what did sir, but on every level, by any means, by any analysis, it is unprecedented, and it is a direct threat to the, to so then as a state, because when the violence is in the capital itself to this level,

we have seen violence in cartoon for the last few years we have seen shooting protesters and so on. and in 2008 there was an attempt to take over in by highly, by him i mean, the former leader, but not to this scale on this scope that we are seeing now. and the complexity of this, of the, of the scenarios in costume. now when you have half a dozen armed militia with thousands and thousands of men in calc to myself, and those, and the hairs of these militia are in power in the country and are called upon now, i'm sure by you that the 2 factions too joined to defend their positions to defend their prerogative in costume. so the only means they will defend or help is ask their men to join the fight on the site or the other side. when we have this amount of weapon that have been cumulated over the last few years, when we have foreign and foreign powers, foreign countries supplying at both sides with money and probably with weapons. so

all the ingredients of something unprecedented are here now in capital in front of our eisen. and there is, of course, this is, this is why that is this fear of an unprecedented civil war, not like the one enough ward, not like the one that happened mom are going to leave it there. but i know you're going to be staying with us over the next to hours or so was, is this plays out, as i mean, is going to be here and a couple of minutes with more on our continuous coverage of the unrest in sudan. these a live pictures from the center of her cartoon. you can see the heavy smoke fair. i'm rob madison. stay with us. ah ah, ah. and a south

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