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the sidney's army is battling the para military rapids support forces. it's a power struggle that has turned into a fierce armed confrontation. but how will this play out and is to don's unity in danger? this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm betting you navigate on the streets of su. done are once again seeing the devastating effects of conflict. political differences are plunging the nation into further instability and threatening to bring full scale war. the latest violence began on saturday after weeks of tension between the army and the powerful paramilitary group, known as the rapid support forces. millions of people in the capital har, 2 are at risk. water and electricity had been cut in many areas after years of

cruise, protested political instability. the people of sudan were getting ready for a new government. but now those plans are at risk as the threat of an all out civil war looms over the country. the former prime minister, abdullah ham dog, who had a crucial role in the fragile democratic transition, is pleading with both sides to stop the fighting. beside that is my 1st message is to general abdel photographer han and the leaders of the sudanese military. and to mohammed hummed on delgado and the leaders of the rapid support forces. the exchange of fire must stop immediately and the voice of reason must rule. every one will lose and there is no victory when it's on top of the bodies of our people. all right, let's take a closer look at what led to this unrest. so the most recent bout of instability emerged in 2019. that's when the military and the rapid support forces most of the long time leader on the bus year after months of mass protests. 2 years later,

they carried out another military take over this time by pushing out prime minister abdullah ham dog, who was seen as the face of the transition to democracy. military leaders signed a deal with politicians last year in it. they promised to pave the way towards a civilian led government on fair elections. but that has yet to happen. a new government deal was scheduled to be signed 2 weeks ago, but disputes about how to integrate the rapid support forces into the army escalated and delayed the process once more. ah, will now bring in all our guests joining us from khartoum. we have with us muddy. i'm a maggie who is the leader of the national party and a former foreign minister of sudan. deena google spokesperson for the sudanese professional association, a part of the forces of freedom and changed coalition. and also dahlia mohammed. i've been one, i'm is joining us who's a sudan based activist. thank you for your time with us on inside story. many, many, many the 1st to you just earlier this month,

your secretary general of the national party said that the political process to restore a transitional civilian rule has reached its final stages. and we hope that it will be completed in the coming days. so have these later developments come as a shock to you and what's the official reaction of your party. thank you very much, miss devine, and i welcome you and all your follows and your guests. actually this is that came as, as a expected, a price, because we knew for the last, at least 6 weeks, things were escalating to the maximum between the 2 heads of the groups. that is, that he's on policies and they repeat the deployment forces. and though they were both of them committed to the framework agreement, which was also as mentioned by you finalizing india lost the steps after we

finish the fight. her workshops ending by the s s r a workshop, which also ended in, in a, in a host sideway. let me see. so it was a like, an introduction that things are not going well between the 2. and that would definitely affect the. but if you can, maggie that was only going, what was it in that agreement that was missing or that was wrong with that agreement that got to done to the point it is out today because also at the time you're ahead of the political bureau, maddie, maddie, hassan said that your party was actually hoping to convince the non signatories to, to come on board on by agreements. so if this actually we, we, we had that 2 obstacles, a descending issue between the 2, a groups or the heads of the,

of the armies or the head of the rapid deployment force and the head over there. so then the sound sport, this was a problem at god being there is this are the security sector reform. and that is about how, what's, what comes 1st. they and they reform in day, in day security sector. all of them it get over the secret, it says that this was a all the time a, an issue of the debate and part of that did was a technical committee. viola problem each party to suck. is that actually before even this sir? technical committee already things on the political back ground. most of them agreed and signed $237.00 principles, food according to which they security sector if long should be done. and these also are signed by all the heads over the significance lying in one of the signatory. thank you so much. let's bring a doctor on the exam because your group, in fact was one of the signatories to that agreement. it was really meant to usher

a new era, a new political process for the country. what's gone wrong? yeah, thank you for the interview. i didn't, no problem is that i don't wanna deal with most committed to the agreement. let's say frankly that they are saying that, but one of the generals was really committed. that is the reputable forces general committee, but the army leader was saying so, but initially he was not committed to that. that appeared clearly in the west of the sr. we're in the army paper saying a lot of things that again is democratic transition. they were asking for independence in their strategies in coaching, the army strategist and the military strategies they were asking for not to be under the civilian leadership. and they were asking for the command center of the s

s r and did the process in which the d, b, r, will be and do them while i'm supposed to. we're committed to their transition democratic transition. they were committed to the s s our command center will be under this indian leadership and will not be under a militant. and they were committed that the military strategies and i was just, it will be under the civilian leadership. so this is a major, a major difference in their minds and at thinking between the 2 generals, and even when they signed, when that when they're signing that agreement of $57.00 principals, general committee say clearly guys, we are signing. but i hope that all will be committed. that is, that is the issue. he knows that we're behind will not be committed for that. exactly. and dad's the mostly brenda would in the army, the people in the army will not make,

this will go. and that's what happened in the media, a lot of the muslim brotherhood people in the army and outside in the media. they were spoiling agreement. and he was pulling the fire and making war fight between the auditor and the army. and d, reach what they want by what's happened yesterday at in the fifty's yesterday. let me know what he did was a committee that i'm study. i get comedy. what would they do and hadn't, and there was asking. i'm starting with the position. ok, let me just look here right there for a moment. and i mean, you said you're right there for a moment to come and go and let me ring in dahlia also joining us from hard to him. dalia. so not long ago, as we were mentioning a moment ago, the rapid support forces on the military they cooperated together to derail sedans, transition to democracy by spearheading the coo and 2021. they worked to overthrow

martin bessie in 2019. so they seem to come together when they absolutely have to what was it in your opinion that that got them to this point that we see today? no, the thank you. first of all, thank you for having me because they came together or they would come together when it suited their own needs. right? now, this isn't the needs of the country and what happened now is, for me, it's a very basic, it's a struggle of power. i was all there and there was a lot of the delays in signing that agreement in the framework kept, you know, kept coming up and it can be pushed back. and i think it was very clear that was a big obstacle standing between it was the merger and the time frame of the merger that i know the conditions that kept putting in and the negotiators kept trying to brush it aside and say, this is okay. and they, they kept trying to think, kate, both the signs,

but it was very obvious that neither of them was willing to give an inch. and neither of them was actually came in with, with full sort of 70, that they wanted the framework to succeed. and when we, what's been happening since yesterday, it's very clear to me that this is the end game for both of them. and he says, power struggle at this moment and the ones who are paying the price at the very half the price are us. the people you keep time here, you mentioned that this is about power less. what's at stake if both parties lose their power or are we talking here about more economic interests? are we talking about the personal ambitions of for behind and how mattie, or what is that exactly or, or is it both? me. i'm one of the entities, both entities of the are assess where they come from, what they are now and the army, the institute of the army, this is this to the needs army humidity has seen his power and his position grow in the past few years. and this is obviously somewhat of

a threat to the army and don't forget the army is still very much islamist influence. the rainbow there remains the remnants of blood, but she is rule is still very much in late today. they would never went away. they will been there and they started to re emerged in the past few weeks. they become more vocal that become more outspoken. and it's very, i do this for the so the power play was between the army and were hans or not people was seen as he couldn't take a position. so he was being pushed by this factor in the army to take a stand and at the same time he was being pushed by, you know, the negotiate is to take a stand. and so it all here to ahead was a mistake on this on this point specifically about the bassier era loyalist a medium. there are some reports that suggest that there was internal pressure within the bud hancock from the top ross,

not to sign that framework agreement because they sure that a new political agreement would, would harm their economic as well as their political power. what do you say to that? well, i think actually things are very complex within this relation. actually cor, sometime they private or their personal relation, unself between the 2 men was the basis of the linkages between their full institutions. but because of so many developments that took place in the last 40 years, they grew separately for many reasons. they got a separate, a economic interests and that investments separate a legal at international relations and sentence, political and social bug grounds at corbett support. that's why i think both of them developed a either or, or, or, or a state asian, fuller. and for that actually, i believe the,

the islamists and all the actually the ncp where highly at all of them. and they made sure that a lot of for lack of post to the, to develop between the 2. and the, i believe that the, it was where both of them made to, to, to, to get into more into enemies. rather that they sent that, that joined them. to the extent that if you look at what happened in 2019 because of that, that it could relation between one and a b at one suddenly cause it's a very important i'll begin in day. yep. it's support cause roll, which gave they head of the army, they power to let you all, to dismantle that up in support. of course he great because of this, that relationship. now he's because of these development of course, as a disability because it says that he's on port is

a national level automobile because they couldn't kick they the fact that there is a another, a video enormous pull up the mute eddie fowler, who come into the, into their into their tendency. so for that local, oh oh, oh, oh, for level thrust an offer on good. ok, let's bring inductor and the woman trust in the process, dr. ala dean, because some people say, look, the entire process of the framework agreement was pretty much rush stand. and it was ad hoc in the international community was really just hoping to wrap it up really quickly. so that, so that, you know, they can celebrate the signing off a new agreement. to what extent do you think that the actual political process itself accelerate this confrontation between the rapid support forces and the army? no, it did. it didn't, it didn't. let's be cranking. let's keep cranking. yeah. the cool guy. how i wish

are eager for bowen. but gordon guy said that he is with the political process. the other guys he yeah, he did process, but in his way is in not in it. why not the way that the market should be there? there is no, they cannot have democracy. the army kind of have democracy as they like. they want independence from the civilian leadership. they went as our could be away from the civilian leadership to be under command. it cannot be like this. it cannot be, there is no democracy are such they want. they can have such like a hearing or difference and dissolve our but there is no democracy. this is the main concept is the main issue. yeah, maggie, yes, i can say that one of them have ego or power, but maybe i met you were this eagerness for our active to transition. he want to come by a civilian or like leadership bi election maybe. but right now he's

accepting. there is this that ended in court transition, but behind is not accepting. there it's, it's either would the essence of a democratic transition under principles right now, and i would have made that week. but if we fast forward to happening right now, dr. ala in both sides, this is what, this is the language that's coming out from both sides. you have my teeth, allow me, you have hamlet hammer to the military, calling for the dismantling of a quote, a rebellious militia. and then you have ham, etc, saying that the armed forces, chief, that is but hon is a criminal. so what is this language actually signal to you in terms of and terms of what happens next and how long this is going to continue with we, we would, we would as, as, as a political leader over like activists. or they could see all the parties who signed for him because he meant we would. we are always saying that we need

a one national army. we did good in patient or a national team. this was not there. neither in the army 09. that in the militia. so that was the essence of the d d r. who's was accepting this d d r in the way that it would be, was therapy support for to speaking, frankie, the army was not ok. and that was because the problem, because the muslim brotherhood were much deep inside the army and the people inside the army like a banshee bryan job. and i, so there were really, again, is different, would have even, and against the political process that was clearly shown when cut back. he started to speak in loud in godaddy about the frame with agreement and about so on, so on. so why he was acquired for a long time. i think these last little would assign that. let me bring in marietta would inside the army really a lot. let me bring in money. i'm for money, i'm a you can call me, you can comment on what doctor dean is saying, but i also just want to ask you to give us

a feel off of what it's actually like being in cartoon right now. and what people are, are feeling and what they're saying, my prescription doctor to doctor, i know where, where, where do we go from here? i mean, we've reached a point where there's actually fighting in the, in the streets of the capital. so where do we go? you know, calling more hon a criminal and more hon. designated the are a step as i'm in the show and i'll call them in the show is not good news for us to the nice. so where do we go from here? we've been, all of us have been stuck at home. we don't know what's happening outside. we hear these are the numbers of casualties of those who are injured. those have been killed. we know nothing of what is happening. and we put our faith in the politicians in the parties in the go just to get us out of the quagmire. but if anything they pushed us back further down in this quagmire. so my question to you, mr. or mrs. mem and dr. i know where do we go from here?

what does it, what's next one to have. let her what they think little are you ready on it? you know, the, i was go ahead where, where, where the of the, the, the, or the question. this is a very serious thing with happen is unprecedented. this is it, it, it is. so it is possible, it is so and accept the one that our, our, me it's, it's own cities and its own civilians. and now they are picking. it's the prison inside the neighborhoods. now almost every house they have a gun shops a did at that windows. so many people live inside their homes. we are stuck for the last half that the 8 or more i was not having any supplies. and they electricity's out, we are out of gas for port, even the people who have a janet, it does not loan it, is it mentees and people so many people to look into it for so many people to stuck in the states. there is no safe. i have been flying all day to have a way to save

a pass through the i see i see and this one is it, it listen with there that is support force and a saw at least i could get the 3 of them soft and the ice r c and then it be and that as they needed it cause but i couldn't have any access to that up. it's support forced to save it to, to provide for some routes. actually, the problem is that edi, what does happen now in sudan is unprecedented. i kind of wonder, how can we talk about this somebody, i mean, let me just ask you this because there is diplomatic pressure. we understand there have been phone calls that have been made to, to both camps in sudan, if you are secretary of state has released the statement, the un secretary general. will this diplomatic pressure making the lady that she writes, that is a p a he a meeting today to one or that is that you in security council? well, unless we, the sudanese see that the development in this and we and you fight our self again.

he said this, what's happened is unacceptable and having most we can look compared to these uncertainties to any of that. of course we, that's why it was one of the essence of the i want to put it in an operation is to have one. so then is omni that is proficient and that is national. so that's why it was thought of what to do for this epidemic. a level petition to have mitigate, of the, of the peace agreement malicious. and also they of that up is ok. let's bring in this room and i just because we're going to be running out of time. so you have to do next steps next, who can help with use this? what about countries that have regional interest in? and so don, for example, a country like egypt, saudi arabia, the united arab emirates. this is a quite, to put a question that the countries in the region have 2 positions. either will know the position of a friendship that they want to sold. and the issue and they want to do with

transition back into time. and there is other countries that they don't want to move to touch and bought into dan. and they want the conflict or they want the item you did. and the 2nd one is egypt, different? it said frankly, egypt was spoiling the agreement. your position was bad for that favorite agreement . you position was bad pool and negative for the 40 degree courses are looking for an atom leadership. they are not looking for to see leadership, they are not interested in democratic transition. but unlike saudi arabia, they were a and other leaders and international committee. and egypt try to spoil that agreement was much and much, much for with the leading down budget are here and with the meeting, that was our guys, the title for the credit quotation. and they came with a statement that they are when i hear that i am

a doctor and i don't you see the oldest is also is also our army to stand up and be an independent and be a source that they work for. the country are army continue, see, for the past 3040 years has always bow and follow the needs of other parties, you know, regional parties. and we did a country, it has never stood up for us. and what's happening right now, and or it's crucial that night that the army doesn't work here, neither people and neither the army united the out of me is that, i mean, it is also neither to me, neither the media and the army or how the negatives and i want you to be in a

ok, let me just jump in there because we are running out of time. i just want to get more of a sense of what's happening right now. on the grounds, because there are reports, i'll ask you, i'll ask you this modem if you may know that the fighting in fact is dalia, excuse me, fighting is not confirmed to the capital. the clash, as we understand now, are in the northern province. they're inside food region, port so done on the red sea. these are porous borders, aren't they? so do they risk becoming floss points? do you think for a white or conflict? how dangerous is this? well, i just read a report or a post say that chad has reinforced its board just because they're afraid of a spill over from the from doc forwarding to their borders. and i spoke to family or to sit down and they said yesterday was really bad. but today to pick calmer, but in the forty's not. com. i mean, if we think call me back, you're talking about a state that is the size of the,

of western european countries. and you know, so that's a big country that we have no set. borders are one is like, you said, are very porous, so there is not fear of a spillover effect. so what do we do then? and the same thing with what happened with the, you know, with the capture of the kitchen soldiers, what does egypt go? what's egypt reaction is going to be, these are their soldiers. they were here for joint military drills. they've been captured. what's going to happen? i think we need to get away from all the politics. talk like this person failed with this person. is it not? and just trying to think practical and try to think, what can we do? what steps can we take right now to put an end to what's happening to the escalade? because can hear the final word on that. i'll give you the final word on that because we did hear from dr. dean and medi i'm on that, but what do you think needs to be done next? is it the diplomatic pressure that can help? well, i think diplomacy is not going to work. i think basically they need to yeah, those who have interest and those who have

a way where they timothy or han to really step up. and i think this is where the role of the likes of the the choice. good. the usa and the likes of the saudi government and the u. e in egypt re otherwise it's going to come to their board is i don't think it was any, any more problems on their board. does they have they not problems of their own. they only have another border issue that the g o, d, a political stress throughout the location of sudan means it can affect that if you will be on the one hand is arethia. something needs to be done and they need to really step up. i am tired of all these condemnation statements coming out from the likes of the you and the u. s. foreign, a foreign ministry in the u. k. they're useless. they do nothing. we need actually need to somebody to step up, pull back these 2 men deescalate and then we take it from there because what happening right now, it does not bode well for the near future. ok,

we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much for joining us. mighty i'm and madd the ana dino. go go daddy. i'm how my dad been hambury. really appreciate your time . thanks for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. during the conversation on twitter handle is a james type story from myself and the entire team. thanks for watching. bye bye for now. ah ah. a the

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