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a fierce armed confrontation. but how will this play out? and it's to don's unity in danger. this is inside story. ah ah. hello and welcome to the program i'm getting obligate on the streets of su. done our once again, seeing the devastating effects of conflict. political differences are plunging the nation into further instability and threatening to bring full scale war. the latest violence began on saturday after weeks of tension between the army and the powerful paramilitary group, known as the rapid support forces. millions of people in the capitol cartoon are at risk. water and electricity had been cut in many areas after years of cruise, protested political instability. the people of sudan were getting ready for

a new government. but now those plans are at risk as the threat of an all out civil war looms over the country. the former prime minister de la ham dog, who had a crucial role in the fragile democratic transition, is pleading with both sides to stop the fighting. beside it is my 1st message is the general abdel photographer han and the leaders of the sudanese military. and to mohammed hummed on delgado and the leaders of the rapid support forces. the exchange of fire must stop immediately and the voice of reason must rule. every one will lose and there is no victory when it's on top of the bodies of our people. all right, let's take a closer look at what's led to this unrest. so the most recent bout of instability emerged in 2019. that's when the military and the rapid support forces ousted the long time leader on my best year. after months of mass protests, 2 years later they carried out another military take over this time by pushing out prime minister abdullah ham dog,

who was seen as the face of the transition to democracy. military leaders signed a deal with politicians last year in it. they promised to pave the way towards a civilian led government, unfair elections. but that has yet to happen. a new government deal was scheduled to be signed 2 weeks ago, but disputes about how to integrate the rapid support forces into the army escalated and delayed the process once more. ah, will now bring in all our guests. joining us from cartoon, we have with us muddy maggie, who is the leader of the national party and a former foreign minister of sudan. deena google spokesperson for the sudanese professional association, a part of the forces of freedom and changed coalition. and also dahlia mohammed. i've been one, i'm is joining us who's a sudan based activist. thank you for your time with us on inside story. many, many, many. the 1st to you just earlier this month, your secretary general of the national party said that the political process to

restore a transitional civilian rule has reached its final stages. and we hope that it will be completed in the coming days. so have these later developments come as a shock to you and what's the official reaction of your party? thank you very much, miss devine, and i welcome you and all your follows and your guests. actually, this is kim as the, as a expected, a fair price. because we knew for the last, at least 6 weeks, things were escalating to their maximum between the 2 heads of the groups. that is, that he's on policies and the rapid deployment forces. and though they were both of them committed to the framework agreement, which was also as mentioned by you finalizing in b, i lost the steps after we finish the fight for pleasure workshops,

ending by the s s r a workshop, which also ended in, in a, in a host sideway, let me see. so it was a like, an introduction that things are not going well between the 2. and that would definitely affect the. but if you can, maggie that was only going, what was it in that agreement that was missing or that was wrong with that agreement that got to done to the point it is out today because also at the time you're ahead of the political bureau, how mother madison said that your party was actually hoping to convince the non signatories to, to come on board on bite agreements. so if this actually we, we, we had that to obstacle a ascending issue between the 2, a groups or they and the heads of the over the armies are the head of their rapid deployment force and the head over there. so then the sound sport, this was

a problem at god being there is this are the security sector reform. and that is about how, what's, what comes 1st. they and they reform in day, in day security sector. all of that may get over the ticket. it says that this was a all the time a, an issue of the debate and for that did was a technical committee. viola problem, each party to suck. is that actually before even this said technical committee, already things on the political back ground. most of them agreed on signed to $37.00 principles, food according to which they security said that if long should be done and these also are signed by all the heads over the significantly lying in one of the signatory. thank you so much. let's bring a doctor on the exam because your group, in fact, was one of the signatories to that agreement. it was really meant to usher a new era, a new political process for the country. what's gone wrong?

yeah, thank you for the interview. i didn't, no problem is that i, it didn't wanna do with wolf committed to the agreement, let's say frankly that they are saying that, but one of the generals was really committed that did that are possible forces generally him a deep, but the army leader was saying so, but eventually he was not committed to that that appeared clearly in the west of the sr. we're in the army paper saying a lot of things that again is democratic transition. they were asking for in dependency in their strategies. in coaching, the army strategist and the major strategist, they were asking for not to be under the civilian leadership. and they were asking for the command center of the s s r and did the process in which the d, b, r,

will be under them. while i'm supposed to, we're committed to their transition democratic transition. they were committed to the s s r command center will be under this tv and leadership and will not be under a militant. and they were committed that the military strategies and i was just, it will be under the civilian leadership. so this is a major, a major difference in their minds and thinking between the 2 generals. and even when they signed, when that when they're signing that agreement of 57 principles, general committee say clearly guys, we are signing. but i hope that all will be committed. that is, that is the issue. he knows that we're behind will not be committed for that. exactly. and dad's the muslim brotherhood in the army. the people in the army will not make this will go and that's what happened in the media. a lot of the muslim

brotherhood people in the army and outside in the media. they were spoiling the agreement. and the polling the fire and making more fight between the artist and the army and they reach what they want by what's happened yesterday and in the 50s. yesterday let me just warranty there was a committee that i'm study or that committee would the head of and had it. and there was asking and starting working to deescalate the position. ok, let me just look here right now for a moment. and i mean, i'd rather for people who come and think it's, let me bring in dahlia also joining us from cartoon dalia. so not long ago, as we were mentioning a moment ago, the rapid support forces. i'm the military day corporate together to derail students. transition to democracy by spearheading the coo and 2021. they worked to overthrow model bassy and 2019 so they seem to come together when they absolutely

have to. what was it in your opinion that that got them to this point that we see today? no, the, the thank you. first of all, thank you for having me because they came together or they would come together when it suited their own needs. right. not to say the needs of the country and what happened now is, for me, it's a very basic, it's a struggle of power. i was all there and there was a lot of the delays in signing that agreement in the framework kept, you know, kept coming up and it can be pushed back. and i think it was very clear that was a big obstacle standing between it was the merger, the time frame of the merger that i know the conditions that kept putting in. and then ago she just kept trying to brush it aside and say this is okay. and they, they kept trying to think kate, both the signs. but it was very obvious that neither of them was willing to give an

inch. and neither of them was actually came in with, with full sort of 70 that they wanted the framework to succeed. and when we, what's been happening since yesterday, it's very clear to me that this is the end game for both of them. and he says, power struggle at this moment, and the ones who are paying the price at the very half the price are us, the people you keep time here. you mentioned that this is about power less. what's at stake if both parties lose their power or are we talking here about more economic interests? are we talking about the personal ambitions of for behind and how mattie, or what is that exactly or, or is it both? me. i'm one of the entities, both entities of the are assess where they come from, what they are now and the army, the institute of the army. this is to the needs army committee, has seen his power and his position grow in the past few years. and this is obviously somewhat of a threat to the army and don't forget the army is still very much islamist

influence. the rainbow there remains the remnants of blood, but she is rule is still very much in play today. they would never went away then what been there and they started to re emerged in the past few weeks. they become more vocal that become more outspoken. and it was very, i did this for the so the power play was between the army and were hands or not people was seen and he couldn't take a position. so he was being pushed by some it's factored in the army to take a stand, and at the same time he was being pushed by, you know, the negotiate is to take a stand and it so it all came to a head. and my name's maddie, i'm to take on this on this point specifically about the bessie or era loyalist a medium. there are some reports that suggest that there was internal pressure within the bud hancock from the top ross, not to sign that framework agreement because they sure that

a new political agreement would, would harm their economic as well as their political power. what do you say to that? well, i think actually things are very complex within this relation. actually for some time be private or the personal relation unsolved between the 2 men. was the basis of the linkages between their full institutions. but because of so many developments that took place in the last 40 years, they grew separately for many reasons. they got separated economic interests and investments, separate a legal and international relations and separate and political and social backgrounds. affordable support. that's why the death of them developed a either or, or, or, or a state asian for and for that actually i believe they are

the islamists and or the actually the ncp where highly at are both of them. and they made sure that a lot of for lack of, of post to the, to the, between the 2. and i believe that that was where both of them made to, to, to, to get into more into enemies rather than at the offense that joined them. to the extent that if you look at what happened in 2019 because of that, a correlation between and one and the one hand suddenly cause it's a very important article in the yep, it's support course level which gave the head of the army, the power to manage all to dismantle that if it's support force. he great because of this, that relationship. now things because of the development of course, as a disability because that is unfortunate. a national level army or be or because

they couldn't kick the fact that there is a another, a video in order to select the music paulette who come into the, into their, into their challenging. so for that at a local level thrust an offer over and get it. ok, let's bring in dr. dina wouldn't trust in the process. dr. ana dean because some people say, look, the entire process of the framework agreement was pretty much rush, stunned. and it was ad hoc in the international community was really just hoping to wrap it up really quickly. so that, so that, you know, they can celebrate the signing off a new agreement. to what extent do you think that the actual political process itself accelerate this confrontation between the rapid support forces and the army? no, it did. it didn't, it didn't. let's be cranking. let's keep cranking. yeah. the cool guy. how i wish are eager for bowen. but gordon guy said that he is with the political process. the

other guys he yeah, he did process, but in his way is in not in it. why not the way that the market should be there? that is not, they cannot have democracy. data, me kind of have democracy as they like. they want independence from the civilian leadership. they want s s r could be away from the civilian leadership to be under command. it cannot be like this. it cannot be, there is no democracy are such they want. they can have such like a hearing or different centers of power. but there is no democracy, this is the main concept, is the main issue. yeah. maybe yes, i can say that one of them have ego or power, but maybe i met you were this eagerness for our act of the transition. he want to come by a civilian or like leadership bi election maybe. but right now he's

accepting there is this that ended in court transition, but behind is not accepting day. it's as ada would the essence of a democratic transition under principles right now. and i would have made that week, but if we fast forward to happening right now, dr. ala, in both sides, this is what, this is the language that's coming out from both sides. you have my teeth, allow me, you have hamlet hammer to the military calling for the dismantling of a quote, a rebellious militia. and then you have ham, etc, saying that the armed forces, chief, that is but hon is a criminal. so what does this language actually signal to you in terms of and terms of what happens next and how long this is going to continue with? we, we, we would, we would as, as, as a political leader over like activists. or they could see all the parties who signed the claim because even we are would we are always saying that we need a one national army. we did good in patient or

a national. i don't think this was not there. neither in the army. 09 that in the militia. so that was the issue of the did the, who's was accepting this d d r in the way that it would be? was there be support for this became frankie? the army was not ok. and that was because the problem, because the muslim brotherhood were much deep inside the army and the people inside the army like a banshee writing job. and so then we'd have, it again, is different, would have even against the words of the bosses that was clearly shown when car battery started to speak in loud in godaddy about the framework agreement and about so on, so on. so why he was a quite for a long time. i think these last minute with that, let me bring in my yeah, that would inside the army really a lot. let me bring in many i'm for many of you can comment, you can comment on what dr. dean is saying, but i also just want to ask you to give us a feel off of what it's actually like being in hard to right now and what people

are are feeling and what they're saying. my 1st question is dr. to dr. i know where, where, where do we go from here? i mean, we've reached a point where there's actually fighting in the, in the streets of the capital. so, where do we go, you know, calling upon a criminal, and for hon. designated a militia and our home in the shop is not good news for us to denise. so where do we go from here? we've been all of us have been stuck at home. we don't know what's happening outside. we hear these, the numbers of casualties of those who are injured, those have been killed. we know nothing of what is happening. and we put our faith in the politicians in the parties in the negotiate just to get us out of the quagmire. but if anything they pushed us back further down in this quagmire. so my question to you, mr. or mrs. many m and a doctor? i don't. where do we go from here? what's the, what's the next one to have?

let her with the level, are you ready? i'm ready. i was go ahead where, where the weight of the, the, the, or the question, this is a very serious thing with happen is unprecedented. this is it, it, it is so in response to what it is. so and accept the one that our, our, me, it, it's, it's own cities and its own civilians. and now they are taking it to the prison inside the neighborhoods. now almost every house they have a gun shot at that at that windows. so many people light inside their homes. we are stuck for the last that the 8 or more i was not having any supplies. and they like visit these out. we are out of the guys for, for even the people who have a genetic as non sworn. it is amenities and people so many people to look into it. so many people have stuck in the seats. there is no safe. i have been flying all day to have a way to save a pass through the i see i see and this one is it,

it listen with data is support force and a soft. at least i could get the 3 of them soft. and the i saw c and then it be and that as so then is it, it calls, but i couldn't have any access to that up. is support forced to save it to, to provide for some roots. actually the problem is that 80 what has happened now in sudan is unprecedented. i kind of want to, how can we thought about it? my dear, let me just ask you this because there is diplomatic pressure. we understand there have been phone calls that have been made to, to both calm since we don. a u. s. sector state has released the statement, the un secretary general. will this diplomatic process making the lady that he writes, that is a b a he a meeting today, tomorrow that is, that you in security comes in, let the, unless we this with a nice see that the, the development in this and we and you fight our false, again, he said this, what's happened is unacceptable and having both we can look compared to these

policies, to any of that, of course we, that's why it was one of the essence of the i want to put it, an operation is to have one. so then is omni that is proficient that is national. so that's why it was part of our job for this epidemic, a low petition to have mitigate, of the, of the peace agreement. many shares of the day of, of that up is ok. let's bring in tonight just because we're going to be running out of time. so i'm just gonna do next steps next time. so who can help us use this? what about countries that have regional interests in? and so don, for example, a country like egypt, saudi arabia, the united, our memory. this is a question for the question that the countries in the region have 2 positions. either will know the position of friendship that they want to solve the issue and they want a democratic transition issue done. and there is other countries that they don't

want to touch and bought is to dan. and they want the conflict or they want to ship . and the 2nd one is egypt, different? it states, frankly, egypt was boiling the agreement. egypt bulletin was bad for that frame, that agreement, you position was bad for a negative for the 40 degree courses are looking for an atom leadership. they are not looking for a leadership, they are not interested in democratic transition. and like saudi arabia, they were a and other leaders and international committee. and egypt try to spoil the game. it was much, much, much for with the leading of them. but you know, here and with the meeting, that was our guys, the title for democratic coalition. and it came with a statement that the i will, i don't hear that i am a doctor. and i don't you see,

the oldest is also is also on our army to stand up and be an independent and be a source that they work for. the country. are army continuously for the past 30. 40 years has always bowed down and follow the lead to other parties, you know, regional parties and we didn't met a country, it has never stood up for us. and what's happening right now that is a woman and or it's crucial that night that the army doesn't work here. neither people live in the army united. the out of me is that, i mean, it is also neither to me. neither the media and the army. i having negatives and i want you to be in a ok, let me just jump in there because we are running out of time. i just want to get more

of a sense of what's happening right now. on the grounds because there are reports, i'll ask you, i'll ask you this modem if you may know the fighting, in fact is dalia, excuse me, fighting is not confirmed to the capital of the classes we understand now or in the northern province there inside food region ports are done on the red sea. these are porous borders, aren't they? so do they risk becoming floss points? do you think for a wider conflict? how dangerous is this? well, i just read a report or a post say that chad has read for city board just because they're afraid of a spill over from that, from doc forwarding to their borders. and i spoke to family ports to down and they said yesterday was really bad. but today to pick commer, but our ford is not com. i mean, if we think cartoon is bad, you're talking about a state that is the size of what state of western european countries. and you know, so that is a big country that we have no set borders. our board is like,

you said are very porous. so there is not to be of a spill or effects. so what do we do then? and the same thing with what happened with, you know, with the capture of the egyptian soldiers. what does egypt go? what's egypt reaction is going to be, these are there. so this, they were here for joint military drills. they've been captured. what's going to happen? i think we need to get away from all the politics talk like this person failed or this person did not. and just trying to think practical and try to think, what can we do? what steps can we take right now to put an end to what's happening to the escalade? we can hear the final word on that. i'll give you the final word on that because we did hear from dr. dean and maria on that. but what do you think needs to be done next? is it the diplomatic pressure that can help her? i think diplomacy is not going to work. i think basically they need to yank those who have interest and those who have a way where, but they tend to see or more high to really stuff up. and i think this is where the

role of the likes of the, the choice, the usa and the likes of the saudi government, and the u. e, in egypt re otherwise it's going to come to their board is i don't think it was any, any more problems on their board. does they have they not problems of their own? they only have another border issue that the g o. d, a political stress, strategic location, ok of sudan means it can affect that if you will be on the one hand is arethia. something needs to be done and they need to really step up. i'm tired of all these condemnation statements coming out from the likes of the un and the u. s. foreign, a foreign ministry in the u. k. they're useless. they do nothing. we actually need to some of these, the step up, pull back these 2 men deescalate and then we take it from there because what happening right now, it does not bode well for the near future. ok, we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much for joining us. mighty. i'm in maddie ana dino. go go daddy. i'm had my dad been hambury really appreciate your

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