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the sydney's army is battling the paramilitary rapids support forces. it's a power struggle that has turned into a fierce armed confrontation. but how will this play out? and it's to don's unity in danger. this is inside story. ah, hello and welcome to the program. i'm getting applegate on the streets of su, done our once again. seeing the devastating effects of conflict, political differences are plunging the nation into further instability and threatening to bring full scale war. the latest violence began on saturday after weeks of tension between the army and the powerful paramilitary group, known as the rapid support forces. millions of people in the capital har tomb are at risk water and electricity had been in many areas. after years of coups protests

on political instability, the people of sudan were getting ready for a new government. but now those plans are at risk as the threat of an all out civil war loomed over the country. the former prime minister on hum dog who had a crucial role in the fragile democratic transition is pleading with both sides to stop the fighting. beside that is, my 1st message is to general abdel photographer han and the leaders of the sudanese military and to mohammed hummed on delgado and the leaders of the rapid support forces. the exchange of fire must stop immediately and the voice of reason must rule. every one will lose and there is no victory when it's on top of the bodies of our people. all right, let's take a closer look at what led to this unrest. so the most recent bout of instability emerged in 2019. that's when the military and the rapid support forces most of the long time leader on the bus year after months of mass protests. 2 years later,

they carried out another military take over this time by pushing out prime minister, abdullah hum dog, who was seen as the face of the transition to democracy. military leaders signed a deal with politicians last year in it. they promised to pave the way towards the civilian led government, unfair elections, but that has yet to happen. a new government deal was scheduled to be signed 2 weeks ago, but disputes about how to integrate the rapid support forces into the army escalated and delayed the process once more. ah, will now bring in all our gas, joining us from khartoum. we have with us maria mill, maggie, who is the leader of the national party and a former foreign minister of sudan. deena google spokesperson for the sudanese professional association, a part of the forces of freedom and change coalition. and also deli, i'm how much i've been one, i'm is joining us, who's a student based activist. thank you for your time with us on inside story. many, many, many the 1st to you just earlier this month,

your secretary general of the national party said that the political process to restore a transitional civilian rule has reached its final stages. and we hope that it will be completed in the coming days. so have these later developments come as a shock to you and what's the official reaction of your party? thank you very much to dive in and i welcome you and all your follows and the august actually this is kim as, as a expected price because we knew for the last, at least 6 weeks, things were escalating to the maximum between the 2 heads of the groups the news on forces and the deployment forces. and though they were both of them committed to the framework agreement, which was all to as mentioned by you finalizing in the last 2 steps. after we

finish the flight placed the workshops ending by they were chopped, which also ended in, in a hostile way. let me see. so it was a like, an introduction that things are not going well between the 2. and that would definitely affect the, the. but if you were making, what was it in that agreement that was missing or that was wrong with that agreement that got to done to the point it is out today because also at the time you're ahead of the political bureau, how much mad the hudson said that your party was actually hoping to convince the non signatories to, to come on board. and by the agreement to, if this actually we, we, we had that to obstacle a descending issue between the 2 a group. so the heads of the, of the armies are the head of the rapid deployment force and the hit over the and

then the samples. this was a problem at god being there is this on the security sector recall. and that is about how, what's it, what comes 1st, they are they reform in day, in day security sector. all of that may to get over the secret. it's sick that this was a all the time a, an issue of give it. and part of that did was a technical committee, viola problem, each party to 2nd that and actually before even this 2nd committee, already a things on the political but gone. most of them agreed and signed to $37.00 principles, food according to which they security said that if on should be done. and this also was signed by all the heads over the significance glittering in one of the signatories. thank you so much. let's bring a doctor on a dean because your group, in fact, was one of the signatories to that agreement. it was really meant to usher

a new era, a new political process for the country. what's gone wrong? yes, thank you for the interview i did in the problem is that i didn't do and what was committed to the agreement, let's say frankly that they are saying that, but one of the generals was really committed. that is reputable forces general committee. but the army leader was saying so, but initially he was not committed to that that appeared clearly in the west of the sr. we're in the army paper saying a lot of things that again is democratic transition. they were asking for independence. he embedded strategies in coaching, the army strategist and the meter studies they were asking for not to be under the civilian leadership. and they were asking for the command center of the s s

r and the, the process in which the d, b, r, will be under them. while durable forces. we're committed to their transitional democratic transition. they were committed to the s, as our command center will be under this indian leadership and will not be under a militant. and they were committed that the military strategies and the arms dirty it will be under the civilian leadership. so this is a major, a major difference in their mindset at thinking between the 2 generals, and even when they signed when that when they're signing that agreement of $57.00 principles, general committee say clearly guys, we are signing. but i hope that all will be committed. that is, that is the issue. he knows that a good time will not be committed for that. exactly. and dad's the muslim brotherhood in the army. the people in the army will not make. this will go. and

that's what happened in the media, a lot of the muslim brotherhood people in the army and outside in the media, do it poorly agreement. and he was pulling the fire and making more fight between the auditor and the army, and the leech. what they want by what's happened yesterday and in the 50s yesterday, let me just warranty it was a committee that i study a committee with the handle and had it and there was asking. i'm starting with the position. ok, let me just look here right there for a moment. and i mean, you said, you're right there for a moment to come and think it's good. let me ring in dahlia also joining us from her to him. dahlia so not long ago as we were mentioning a moment ago, the rapid support forces on the military. they cooperated together to derail sedans, transition to democracy by spearheading the coo and 2021. they worked to overthrow

matt and bessie in 2019. so they seem to come together when they absolutely have to what was it in your opinion that that got them to this point that we see today? no, the, the thank you for 1st of all, thank you for having me. they come, they came together or they would come together when it suited their own needs. right? now, this isn't the needs of the country and what happened now is, for me, it's a very basic, it's a struggle of power. i was out there and there was a lot of the delays in signing the agreement in the framework kept, you know, kept coming up and it can be pushed back. and i think it was very clear that was a big obstacle standing between it was the merger, the time frame of the merger, the i know the conditions that kept putting in and then ago she just kept trying to brush it aside and said, this is ok and they, they kept trying to think, kate, both the signs,

but it was very obvious that neither of them was willing to give an inch. and neither of them was actually came in with, with close to the therapy that they wanted the framework to succeed. and when we, what's been happening since yesterday, it's very clear to me that this is the end game for both of them. and he says, power struggle at this moment, and the ones who are paying the price and paying the very half the price, our us, the people you keep time here. you mentioned that this is about power less. what's at stake if both parties lose their power or are we talking here about more economic interests? are we talking about the personal ambitions of for behind and amity, or what is it exactly or, or is a both me, i'm one of the entities, both entities of the are assess where they come from, what they are now and the army, the institute of the army, this is this to the knees. army humidity has seen his power and his position grow in the past few years. and this is obviously somewhat of

a threat to the army. and don't forget the army. a still very much islamist influence, the really go there. we may in the remnants of that, but she is rule is still very much in today today they would then they never went away, they will been there and they started to re enroll in the past few weeks, they become more vocal that become more outspoken. and it was very, i do this for the so the power play was between the army and were hands or not people was seen and he couldn't take a position. so he was being pushed by this factor to the army to take a stand and at the same time he was being pushed by you know, the negotiate is to take a stand and it so it all came to a head and williams mediums take on this on this point specifically about the bassier era loyalists a medium, there are some reports that suggest that there was internal pressure within the bud hancock from the top ross,

not to sign that framework agreement because they sure that a new political agreement would, would harm their economic as well as their political power, what do you say to that? well, i think actually things are very complex within this relation. actually for some time, the private or the personal relation unsolved between the 2 men was the basis of the linkages between their full institutions. but because of so many developments that took place in the last 40 years, they grew separately for many reasons. they got a economic interests and investments separate a legal at international relations and sentence, political and social backgrounds, corbett support. that's why the death of them developed a either or, or, or, or a state asian went forward. and for that actually i believe the,

the islamists, and or the actually the ncp where highly at on both of them. and they made sure that a lot of for lack of, of post to the, to the, between the 2. and the, i believe that that was where both of them made to do to get into more into enemies. rather than at the sense that the joined them to the extent that if you look at what happened in 2019 because of that, a correlation between and one and the one hand suddenly cause it's a very important article in the yep, it's support cause low which gave the head of the army, the power to maybe to all, to dismantle that if it's support force. he great because of this, that relationship. now he's because of these development of course as

a disability because that is unfortunately a national level army or b or because they couldn't kick the fact that there is a another, a video in order miss paulette. but he mused that he paulette who come into the into their, into their challenging so for that at a local level thrust an offer over and get it. ok let's bring in doctor dean would've been trust in the process. dr. ana dean because some people say, look, the entire process of the framework agreement was pretty much rush stand and it was ad hoc in the international community was really just hoping to wrap it up really quickly. so that, so that, you know, they can celebrate the signing off a new agreement. to what extent do you think that the actual political process itself accelerate this confrontation between the rapid support forces and the army? no, it did. it didn't, it didn't. let's be cranking this peak frankie. yeah. the cool guy. how i wish are

eager for bowen. but gordon guy said that he is with the political process. the other guys he yeah, he did process, but in his way is in not in it. why not the way that the market should be there? there is no, they cannot have democracy. the army cannot have democracy as they like. they want independence from the civilian leadership. they want, as, as i can be away from the civilian leadership, to be under command. it cannot be like this, it cannot be, there is no democracy are such they want. they can have such like a hearing or different centers of power. but there is no democracy. this is the main concept is the main issue. yeah. may be yes, i can say that one of them have ego or power, but maybe i met you were this eagerness for our act of the transition. he want to come by a civilian or like leadership by elections maybe. but right now he's

accepting. there is this that ended in court transition, but behind is not accepting day. it's as either would the essence of a democratic transition under principles right now. and i would have made that week, but if we fast forward to it happening right now, dr. la, at the, in both sides. this is what, this is the language that's coming out from both sides. you have my teeth, allow me, you have hamlet, hamid's, in the military calling for the dismantling of a quote, a rebellious militia. and then you have him at t saying that the armed forces chief, that is, but hahn is a criminal. so what is this language actually signal to you in terms of and terms of what happens next and how long this is going to continue? we we, we would, we would, as, as, as a political over act like activists. or they could see all the parties who signed for him because he meant we are bulls. we are always saying that we need

a one national army. we did good in patient or a nationally. i don't think this was not there. neither in the army. 09 that in the militia. so that was the essence of the d. d r. who's was accepting this d d r in the way that it would be was therapy support for to speaking. frankie, the army was not ok. and that was because the problem, because the muslim brotherhood were much deep inside the army and the people inside the army like a banshee writing job i. so then we'd have it again, is the frame with a demon. and again, the political process that was clearly shown when cut back, he started to speak in loud in godaddy about the framework agreement and about so on, so on. so why he was a quite for a long time. i think these last little would assign that, let me bring in marietta wood inside the army really alar. let me bring in mary. m for mary. i'm a you can comment, you can comment on what dr. dean is saying, but i also just want to ask you to give us

a feel off of what it's actually like being in her to right now and what people are are feeling and what they're saying. mattress wishes doctor to doctor. i know where, where, where do we go from here? i mean, we've reached the point where there's actually fighting in the, in the streets of the capital. so, where do we go, you know, calling more hon, a criminal and more hon. designated the r a step as a militia, and i'll call them in the show is not good news for us to denise. so where do we go from here? we've been all of us have been stuck at home. we don't know what's happening outside. we hear these, the numbers of casualties of those who are injured, those have been killed. we know nothing of what is happening. and we put our faith in the politicians in the parties in the negotiate just to get us out of the quagmire. but if anything they pushed us back further down in this quagmire. so my question to you, mr. or mrs. mem and dr. i know,

where do we go from here? what does it, what's next to happen? let her what they think little are you ready on it? you know, the, i was go ahead where, where, where the of the, the, the, or the question, this is a very serious thing with happen is unprecedented. this is it, it, it is so in response to what it is so, and accept the one that our army, it's its own cities and its own civilians. and now they are taking it to the prison inside the neighborhoods. now almost every house, they have a gun shops at the, at the windows, so many people live inside their homes. we are stuck for the last half that the 8 or more i was not having any supplies and they electricity's out. we are out of a gas ford port, even the people who have a genetic designs loan. it is amenities and people have so many people to look into it for so many people to stuck in the states. and there is no safe. i have been

flying all day to have a way to save the pass through the i see i see and this or that is it, it listen with they it up is support force and a saw at least i could get the 3 of them soft and the i saw see, and then it be and that, so then is it, it calls, but i couldn't have any access to that up. it's support, wants to save it to, to provide for some roots. actually the problem is that 80, what has happened now in sudan is unprecedented. i kind of wonder, how can i go about this? you might hear me, let me just ask you this because there is diplomatic pressure. we understand there have been phone calls that have been made to, to both camps and sudan. if you are secretary of state has released the statement that un secretary general. will this diplomatic process make any ladies at the she writes, that is a p, a he a meeting today to one or that is that you in security comes in, let the, unless we this with a nice see that the development in this and we and you fight our false again,

he said this, what happened is unacceptable and having both we can look compared to these uncertainties to any of that. of course we, that's why it was one of the essence of the i want to put it in an operation is to have one. so then is omni that is proficient and that is national. so that's why it was thought of what to do for this epidemic. a level petition to have mitigate, of the, of the peace agreement malicious. and also they of that up is ok. let's bring in this room and i just because we're going to be running out of time. so you have to do that steps next time. so who can help you this? what about countries that have regional interest in? and so don, for example, a country like egypt, saudi arabia, the united arab emirates. this is a question, was a question that did 2 in the countries in the region have 2 positions either will or the position of a friendship that they want to sold and the issue and they want to do,

we're going to transition into done and there is other countries that they don't want to, to touch and bought is to dan and they want the conflict or do you want the item you did? and the 2nd one is egypt. definitely. it said frankly, egypt was boiling the agreement. your position was bad for that same agreement. you position was bad for a negative for the 40 different courses are looking for an atom leadership. they are not looking for to see leadership. they are not interested in democratic transition, but unlike saudi arabia, they were lee and other leaders and international committee. and egypt try to spoil that game. it was much, much, much for with the leading of the ambassador here. and with the meeting, that was our guys, the title for that credit quotation. and they came with a statement that the i, when i hear that i am

a i was dealing with don't you see the oldest is social? it's also on our army to stand up and be an independent and be a source that they work for. the country are army continue, see, for the past 30. 40 years has always bow and follow the needs of other parties, you know, regional parties. and we didn't met a country, it has never stood up for us. and what's happening right now, and that whole is proof of that night that the army does care of. and i don't people live in the army. i was also, i me neither the army i have being negatives and i want you to be in again, either shoot, i ok,

let me just jump in there because we are running out of time. i just want to get more of a sense of what's happening right now. on the grounds, because there are reports, i'll ask you, i'll ask you this modem if, if you may know the fighting, in fact is dalia, excuse me, fighting is not confirmed to the capital of the classes we understand now are in the northern province there in doug food region, ports are done on the red sea. these are porous borders, aren't they? so do they risk becoming flashpoints? do you think for a white or conflict? how dangerous is this? well, i just read a report or a post say that chad has read for city board just because they're afraid of a spill over from the from doc forwarding to their borders. and i spoke to family wants to down and they said yesterday was really bad. but today to pick commer, but our ford is not com. i mean, if we think cartoon is bad, you're talking about a state that is the size of the, of western european countries. and you know,

so that is a big country that we have no set. borders are one is like, you said are very porous. so there is not to be of a spill or effects. so what do we do then? and the same thing with what happened with, you know, with the capture of the egyptian soldiers. what is egypt go? what's egypt reaction is going to be, these are their soldiers. they were here for joint military jews. they've been captured. what's going to happen? i think we need to get away from all the politics talk like this person failed with this person. is it not? and just trying to think practical and try to think, what can we do? what steps can we take right now to put an end to what's happening to the escalade? because we can get the final word on that. i'll give you the final word on that because we did hear from dr. dean and mem on that. but what do you think needs to be done next? is it the diplomatic pressure that can help? well, nicely diplomacy is not going to work. i think basically they need to young, those who have interest and those who have

a way over. but they tell me your hon to really step up. and i think this is where the role of the likes of the, the choice good, the usa and the likes of the saudi government and the u. e, in egypt re otherwise it's going to come to their board is i don't think it was any, any more problems on their board. does they have enough problems of their own? they don't need to have another order issue that the g o d, a political strength, strategic locations of sudan needs. it can affect that if you will be on the one hand is arethia. something needs to be done and they need to really step up. i am tired of all these condemnation statements coming out from the likes of the u. n and the u. s. foreign as a foreign ministry and the u. k, they're useless. they do nothing. we need actually need to somebody to step up, pull back these 2 men deescalate and then we take it from there because what happening right now, it does not bode well for the near future. ok,

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