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dreams are becoming blue. democracy maybe democracy for sale on al jazeera tunisia is main opposition leader is behind boys rush that i know t is it is a floating again, state security is comes as president guy. 5 intensifies is brought down on opponents after granting himself greater powers 2 years ago. so what's next for the country where the ab spring began and we saw position movement. this is insightful . ah ah. hello and welcome to the program i'm fully by t bowl. a judge in tunisia has rolled the leader of the opposition in either party must stay in prison before facing trial on charges of plotting against state security. russia hun uci is the latest among journalist trade union leaders and

other civic society figures to be held. his parties offices have also been shut down. the opposition leader is the highest profile opponent of present, casey to be arrested so far. the 81 year old head of the in, at a party spoke before he was detained and said tanisha is now a dictatorship. and monica phoebe, as you mark, agreed that the more you, the battle in our country is between democracy and the dictatorship that wants to confiscate all the gainesville blessings. revolution. the legal cases against us are empty and meaningless according to legal experts. the problem in all countries, not with me, the unions or other parties, the problem and to initiate lies with a dictatorship on this brutal cool that is pushing the country to words, more calamities, and from insulation. while they're fin a lot of international reactions to the latest events in tenicia turkeys, president, russia typo on, has expressed concern over the arrest of rush at i knew she,

malaysia's foreign ministry said it was deeply concerned in the west. the u. s. condemned the arrests of critics, while the european union underlined the need for fair trials and respect for the rights of defendants. it we'll assume that worked with crystals ordered in the federal government monitoring and domestic political developments and to nicea with great concern about we see the erosion of democratic structures as of never further narrowing of civil society engagements of the arrest yesterday of rashid denotie is one in a worrying series of arrest of representatives of the teasing opposition, journalist and activists. the sir, it's whatever the tennessean people are doing, whatever democratic rights and freedoms they am bravely fought for. all of that is now obviously up for discussion groups. we again urge the tennessean government tough hold. the general principles of the rule logging into the right to a fair trial and freedom of expression, which political pluralism must continue to be possible in tennessee as this was into the. well, let's take a look at what's behind the political instability in taneesha k side was voted in

as president in 2019, after securing 73 percent of the vote in a run off election. 2 years later, he sat, his government suspended parliament and awarded himself the power to rule by decree . in june 2022, he fired dozens of judges. the rest of the judiciary went on in protest. the following month, a new constitution backed by side was passed in a heavily boycotted referendum, a parliamentary election in december. so another record low turn out of voters. since early february, the government has arrested more than 20 political opponents and public figures who have criticized the president. and is your face is other challenges. economies under severe pressure hit hard by the pandemic. and global factors talks with the i, m f have stolen, president site has rejected the terms of a new 1900000000 dollar bailout deal. farmers, c, a severe drought is threatening its grain harvest at a time when alternative supplies are being affected by the war in ukraine. water

distribution to many areas has also been hit. ah, while we asked the tradition government for someone to join us for today's program, but it decline. so let me bring in our guess in tunis we have a lease here, walkman, a journalist, and photographer with a focus on north africa and the sale region in london, cow for fair, johnny and activists, and the daughter of jail to nation politicians site for johnny. and in paris i means no c, a political analysts and independent journalists from tunisia, a warm welcome to you all. thank you for joining us, alicia. let me start with you in tunis. this been, as we've heard and seen a wave of arrest into nysha in recent months. but how significant and concerning is the arrest of russia hun uci some tunisia and media outlets have said the reason for his arrest is because he made comments threatening

a civil war recently. this is a company the most high profile rest today is something that i have been calling for for a long time, or there, anticipating his advisors around the time, just to see his power has been pushing him to do this is actually the tenant time that has been a question previously just in this time actually. so this is a couple months ago, a range of people in most of the correct way. i went exactly. i think she being a, he's done he the, are the charges is conspire against national security. this is under the penal code. i haven't,

i haven't penalty either my punishment or a guy. so these are very charges against the state counselor in london. let me come to you, your father, the m p site for a johnny is one of the leading figures of the not potty rush at hunter's chase party. and he's also currently behind bars. can you tell us what 1st of all your father is being accused of? he is being accused of being involved in the in sling. go. conspiracy. something that the judges themselves, he has sent him to prison, said that my father was never suspected, never listed as part of those who were parts of this conspiracy. and they also, initially only asked him as a witness and so need in the end that they decided to keep him. but we already knew

that they were going to keep him as case during my father's hearing said any one you have at the moment you detain, or you will be considered collaborative. so there are no specific charges against your father, just to clarify. no specific charges from what we hear from what i've been told from the lawyer that actually said that they said that during his hearing they, they thought that he may be involved and that they're looking for evidence. so they sent him to prison while they find evidence. ok. i mean in paris, let me bring you in an order. it seems, has been the main focus, the main target of this crime down. why? why do you think this is? why is a k sides government going after the opposition this way? while he is choosing another because none of them is considered as the main a position group in tunisia because the not the and the few other political parties

were the one that build the national physician front, which was a group of boys birches that were opposing side school and so he's going after another because his main opposition group is main is main adversary. however, going after not that is also easy for the side because he's been accusing them and accusing others of being the sole responsible of every crisis and sides. tactics are always based on scapegoating. so now that is the perfect scapegoats for all of your issues for the site, because you can, you can give it to the people it can give to the people someone to accuse for their, for their, for their issues. you can give to the people someone responsible for, for their, for their deep problem is economical problems, social problems,

etc. because it has always been using that against them against his opponents. the judges were part different conspiracy nowadays, no part different conspiracy. the national survey should prompt m b, 's, businessman, jewelry, civil society, actors except for the federal. the main problem for side in the next 2 years will be that he will, he's going to run out of people to choose is going to run out of cables and as we are seeing now, yes, go ahead, finish your thought face as we are seeing no we don't have an a position anymore. the 2 or 3 person that a left could be arrested any time. the, the, the, the, the, the whole of the national solution from the whole of the whole senior responsible or the national solution fronts are all in jail. okay?

let me ask, let me bring in alicia, for you. thank you. i mean for, for your response, i'll come back to what next for the opposition in a minute. but let me ask her elisha, a point that her, i mean brought up talking about it not being used as a scapegoat. and it's true that this movement and its leaders were also arrested under the previous governments and regimes indonesia, under bookkeeper, under ben ali as well. that there was a crank down against and out at the time a number of their leaders, including how should i know she spent years behind bars. but it's not necessarily a movement that's popular among tunisians. is it? why is that militia a? he's one of the least there are much more popular politician, a rational salvation and the other who's actually been a free to story. and she's also a c,

i a rush. she represent something that has been a constant marriage against. so you've got to have a desire to the biggest thing is this thing we're teaching. people have been a really easy to see a my really a very i'm a pretty much a sense to progressive or the past 2 years because they're so but there's not much of a call that say ok, i don't like him. but this is wrong. this a why is that? i mean, why is,

why do you think they hasn't been more more perhaps protest from 2 nations to these moves? are they supported? are they some people who support these moves by, by the president? and why do you think we're not saying, i mean kenesha was the birthplace of the ab spring uprisings. of course, why do you think we're not seeing demonstrations like we did see back in 2010 in 2011. a general descent health is not just policy in general. then the problem at the time is you're really and also the a, c, r a y, a, a, a,

a, a, a, a, a majority policy. but let's see how control control is a ok. let me ask counselor about this disenchantment with a, not a counselor as a lisa mention. they are some who support present cases move to arrest some of the not a party members that those who say that the post revolution government led by a not a, was a disappointment that he was incompetent, that he was corrupt. what do you respond to that? and, well, i would say like eliza said, there was no point where another actually had total control of, of tennessee or even when they, initially one of the revolution,

they decided to be part of a coalition government by winning, by an overwhelming amount. i think again, like eliza said, due to media, constantly demonizing and the from the moment they joined and joined in the transition government since the revolution as the causes for all. there was also not seeing a magical, happily ever after the revolution that also didn't help. and it was also blamed on another also they would, you know, a lot of to clean up to denali. and that was also made quite difficult. and in fact, above the, didn't really have many powerful administrative positions in the brief 10 years or so. of the brief fleeting democracy it's in his hand, so i understand why they would blame another,

considering it's always been portrayed so then that another was behind the i didn't know their lives, not becoming magically better after the revolution. and i understand the, at the apathy amongst some, i also think that a lot of people right now there is a loud minority with the supporters and don't know how much, how many tennesseans are really supporting him. let me ask, i mean about how many conditions do you think are i supporting k said right now and you know, what are your thoughts about and not a who or what do you think took tunisia off of the democracy path? i think the like of democratic culture is what led us away from the democratic that there is a major confusion between political opponents and in and i think that's the main

difference. i personally propose on a lots of things and i've never agreed with their policy. however, that doesn't give you the right as a president to strip them from their right to participate in the public debate from their right to have political figures to have their freedom of speech and their freedom to organize meetings, etc, etc. and that's the major difference that was not the high side does not believe, and that's a lot of political actors before. i did not believe in that there were, there were always people that were questioning democracy and using tactics that are close to the leadership. and that's, that's the issue will be during the 10 years we didn't, we didn't diffuse, we didn't, we didn't communicate enough to explain the principles of democracy and the culture of democracy. when it comes to my side, i think he has

a lot of supporters and i think a little bit to need to support him because there we've been talking about the shipment of another. but people are still believing in promises. and i promise to look aside from this new public transport side probably she had delivered all of these promises though, of course. and that's, that's, i think, the critical point again, to the same question i asked a moment ago, the, despite the fact that he hasn't delivered on these promise is, why is it that people to nations are not taking to the streets. why they not protesting, as they did in the past? well, it took 20 years to, to protest against mentally. but, but i think, i think the critical point is people are to believe in size because they are believing that his escape route tactics. he always make believe he always convinced the people that he didn't deliver because another because m p 's because lawyers,

because judges, etc, etc, he always finds the reason. so the critical point will be when he won't have any more excuses from the deliver. and he doesn't have the time and he will fail to convince the people that that he's able to do anything for them. and i think that's the moment that people will realize and will understand what's happened in the last in the last 2 years. ok, alicia, let me come to you and ask you about the international communities reaction or some would say lack of reaction to the events in tunisia. some would say that it hasn't b as in boy, as vocal and united, and they haven't condemned these actions as they should have. why do you think that is? why do you think that the response from the international community, from the european union, the americans, to some extent, has been somewhat muted. a,

a confidence that there is a clear way back to democracy, announces a i will say much more a micro to see at migration and more and more from other states. so see is basically a sense of external problems with swinging towards a ministry, a china. ringback i o u. s u a,

a and e, you go to control and migration. so it's a kind of a rep. they want a minimum level of stability. and certainly for companies like they prefer to just deal with one key decision. sometimes it's easier to keep an eye out that the response on the international committee has been weak so far. some would say, i know you've made an appeal to the british government to intervene and seek the release of opposition figures including your father. what exactly do you want them to do? well, we've actually filed with a lawyer to call for sanctions against christ, to the full interior ministers and the minister of justice and minister of defense . i think that's how we can start and also possibly add to more people as and any collaborators with a human rights violations currently happening incentives. yeah,

i think that sends a clear announce message because talking isn't enough case clearly doesn't care. we unfortunately, like eliza said, we're currently going through a shift both in the u. k. and other parts of the world where other parts of europe, where we are going more right wing and immigration is the main focus in our policies. and so then they do kind of the case as a possible allied with that. however, under ice light migration has increased. right? so even on that part alone and he's not much of an airline. what response did you get a counter from the british government to your request? well, currently at the moment, we haven't had a response yet,

but it's not been so but as things have escalated since. so we do hope that we do get something back very soon because we find any hearing a bit more of a stun wads towards toward sky. so maybe we were hopeful. okay, i mean, let me ask you about the same thing. the international community. we've heard the usa department expressing alarm over the rest of ration. i know she do expect any significant action from the west if this crackdown intensifies in tunisia. and why do you think that the candid condemnation from the west hasn't been stronger, hasn't been louder? because as it has been said by culture and by elysium site is the perfect, i'll let you for the far right. europe and we are seeing how the foreign gaming influence, imposing a racist agenda everywhere. and i side has made it very clear that the own

when it comes to immigration, he lives with the interests of the european, her rights. he wants to do border control them. so really that's something the far right is looking at. and the firm has always been vocal about supporting even to the coop. they are, they, they, they took position publicly in the, in the, in the, or a p and problems and support sides actually. and so, when the far right, that much influence in europe, it's obviously lead to political figures like i sides in the motor in the middle, e l is here. let me come to, you know, and ask you about the future. i'm indonesia was where the ob spring started in 2011 . there was a lot of hope for this country that this was the 1st success of the spring. and today it find in itself in this situation on economy in totters. there still

waiting on this. i'm f a lot, whether or not it happens remains to be seen. what do you think the future holds and does the government? does president case have a clear plan to bring the economy for us back on track and what are his goals ultimately? what does he want? well, this is the biggest thing says the economy. because a policy, what he wants, he has a p a t, c, a, a, a, b, a, b, a, c,

a c, as in other areas. losing a much more likely that could come with her. i'm going to ask you the same question. what do you see the future condition looking like and you know, what's the future for movement like another movie like your father? how does it respond to this grand down that is facing? i honestly, it all depends on the international community for, because if it's, if, if things carry on as they do, ice is going to run out of the game and to distract the people it. and i think it will a, he'll start targeting the average person that possibly complains about the price of an apple or something. and i think it's like it's going to become more of

a police state like it once was and possibly worse with regards to a party like and the, i post me, i'm not from the party. i think at the moment it's about concentrating on getting people out of prison, getting back to some kind of pause towards democracy. and then we could look up the features of different parties. ok, i mean, let me ask you then your final thought, what needs to happen to put to nisha back on the path to democracy and stability? well, 1st we need to do everything we can to get going to court prison prisoners out of jail. and that's on the short term, on the long term, we need to be very aware and concerned about the narrative. because if i fi, if and when i fail, there will be

a political space. and we need to understand that side is not something common. there's a lot of properly sick and far right figures in the boy landscape in geneva, and he gave them the perfect tool. this new constitution can make anyone a dictator. so we mean in, in the, when that time comes to bring back on the table, the importance of the apartment turing machine, the importance of separation of powers, etc, etc. thank you so much. thank you all for great discussion, elisia volk, men, cow, fair affairs, johnny. i mean, snow c, thank you very much for joining us on a 5 story today. and thank you as well for watching. you can always watch this program again any time by visiting our website at all jazeera dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. and of course you can join the conversation on twitter. handle is at a j inside story from me fully back to the whole team here. and thanks for watching

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