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getting starship to the launch pad has not been cheap in 2020 and 21. early versions performed spectacular flips and plunges over the swamps of southern texas . but exploded on landing. the other way of viewing this is that this is just an experiment, like we're going to do this and then see if this is a possibility of a market. but if you can treat a $100000000.00 rocket as an experiment, there's a lot of things that you can consider experiments. the bigger question is, how or why such a craft would ever be used. we don't have any of the systems in place on how to handle that sort of volume of people. what that social organization would look like . i would say that when it comes to thinking about can starship and what the future might bring for it. just because we can build a rocket doesn't mean that we can build the civilization. reminder must, who has celebrated previous failures. said the 1st test was always a 5050 bet. a said prediction cone baker alger,
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the soldiers statesman on a jesse it up with i anthony. okay, thanks for watching the stream today. the story of the us combat veterans struggling with petey esteem, made a plan to bomb a mosque. you will not believe what happened next. his stories told in a short documentary stranger act. when i 1st saw him, emma was helen. this sultan, that right with this guy was love kinney. he seemed to be that red neck. he was walking kind of fast, his hair was kind of down base and back. and for them i was hoping for at least $200.00 or more dead injured. you know,
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he thought he was doing the right thing at war with whistles in his mind. when i tell people the story, they tell me that they don't believe me. my dad called my mom, the mother teresa of the muscle community. and it's definitely true. i invited him over for them that i couldn't help it except to make you feel from my heart. that is welcome. i could never, in a 1000000 years, we paid a. so we're going on a journey from hate to acceptance via kindness. joining us to talk about the film b, b bar army, president of these lumnick center of mill, muncie in indiana, also in muncie, indiana richard matt mckinney. he's
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a life coach anti hate at twist. the public speaker, which had wrapped mckinney calico emac. yeah, absolutely. all right, welcome back. and in new york, joshua seth tell who directed the documentary system, beebee mac joshua. so great to have him here. we have a you tube audience who are standing by with their comments ready to ask a question. so there you go. youtube audience, you can jump in any time. we start mac with a situation where you are planning to bomb a mosque that's nearby to you. why? oh, over the years i developed a hatred for islam, muslims. oh, it had it. basically just built and built over time to where i the only way that i saw making any kind of concession on this was to eliminate as
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many of them as i could not fast though. the thing vocabulary of somebody who sees other people was something different when you say them, like those people, not anything to do with you in the military. the way you could make sense of the killing was told to buy a high up official like mac. this is how you have to think about it. and i want to share that moment in the documentary because it helps us understand what was mat. even thinking is have a look. i was in the military for 25 years towards the end of my military career. i was a totally different person. the fact of being involved in so many dose over years was the crazies army. i don't even know. i probably would have been committed if they would actually know the way i was
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acting one time i had a discussion di, ranking person, about coping to be strictly on his mac range, a sheet of paper target as long as you can look at them anything but human, have any problems or can i make sense? that's what i do. is to be the do you remember the 1st time you met mac, your 1st impressions? thank you. i would that was matt, matt. i mean, as they say, or he a look scary and concern, but in spite of that, i respectfully welcome him and with kindness and respect and understood as he was a human. ah. and we would have that's how my memory is. i know it's been a while that's the basic number that i get my scary deed, but well,
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can we kindness matter? what did he do to scary? scary back. what are you doing in the mosque? i mean, this was part of the plan, right? well actually me being in the mosque was not part of the plan, but in order to i wanted tangible evidence. i knew what i believed to be true to be facts. the thing was that i wanted to be able to show my daughter, even though she was going to lose her father. i wanted to show my daughter that see these people really are evil. and i went to the. busy source yeah. joshua you were trying to place this story together and tell this story for documentary form that moment where we seen mac. oh, we hear that mike is casing the mosque not is horrifying. and for long part of the
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documentary, i think it's going to end in an awful way to get to that deliberately. well, we, we wanted to tell a story with, with new kinds of heroes heroes like like baby and like her, her husband solver. and we wanted to make a film i didn't just preach to the choir and you know, so many film, so many documentary, the ones that i've made, i think end up preaching to the choir. and we wanted to try to be different. we wanted to, we want this film to we want people to watch this film. ready who maybe need to watch this film, need this message, need to understand, have a better understanding of muslims have a better understanding of their own biases. and we, so we told the story in a way that was very gripping and draws you in and hasn't almost
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a true crime. how many total i'm going to and this is not going to end. well, joshua for a long time. yeah, i mean we, we took around that, it's a, it's a true crime story without a crime. i a happier thing. you know, it's, it's, it's a story about just that the best point that you've been noting all the way for this a little bit. why, why you noting, well, i mean, i totally agree with josh. you know, he did him in his team. it's such a wonderful job piecing this together. and a lot of people have come up to me after they watch it. they says, oh my gosh, i was shocked. yeah, i thought it was going in totally different place. you know? and they told me when i saw me being interviewed, they thought i was being interviewed. i was actually in person. i thought you were
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in town. i was in how did you get access to prison? to math? i was, i was like, confused. i was like, wow, i yeah, i think i thought you were in a lot of trouble this the people you're also noting as, until she was timely wanting to tell the story. i yeah, i think i think we were extremely kind to him. we did not put him in jail, that's why he's not a day. we were totally lost of him in his life and they're like, i mean, the members, like, i think the job done well done by joshua. how would he sent that documentary to me to watch it? and i know when i did interview, i'll give you a little bit of background why i did it. but then when i truly was outside the interview and said the story, and i was like, chalk, this is a real thing. this is so professionally well done and how you put these pieces
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together. and the student had happen in 2009. it was, and this was the was working on in 2021. and you know, i but very impressed how he did intentionally did it was amazing message. and i think that's what i, it's very dear to my heart because of the message. how we shared this through a documentary and how we organized it in a short 30 minutes. i was a my pass into that 30 minutes. you feel like you've watched an entire feature film by the time you get to the end of it. there's a lot of tension in the don't commentary and there's a part where i'm not finding anything for you because you have to watch it. and it takes 30 minutes to what. yeah. as a part where matt goes to the most because he is planning to do something awful. and he needs to tell his step daughter. he needs proof to tele, settle to like it's right. these awful people are living amongst us. and i need to
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do something about a, have a listen, have a look at this part of the film. i need to be able to show proof and i need to be able to show the rest of the world. ah, so i went to the as long center to get the proof. i wanna i didn't want to be with these people because if i walk inside his building, i might not come back. so i walk in the building and all of a sudden it's like i felt my stomach tied. no, just i know i tried to keep my senses about me. i have very anxious i didn't trust them. i considered myself somebody as a future news story on al jazeera. by the end of the night, i figured they would have been in the basement with a sword to my throat. a latin got you out here and i meant that thankfully it was,
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it is a girl on her hate? yes. walking into the masters, walking into the mosque. that was the moment that changed your life and property a lot of people's life in the most, because that was the beginning of how kindness alice comes height. tell what house. so i, you know, when it was, when i went in there, i was very, you know, i feel very uneasy job. and i was met with open arms, smiles. hello. so you know, i'm glad you could be here. and then, you know, one of the brothers gave me e come up to me and he handed me a koran. and he says, read this, come back when you have questions. and i was like, man, they give me the all the evidence. and they're going to explain it to me like this
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is great. yeah. but, but as i was piecing the 2 together between how i was being treated and what was in the koran. my impression of islam was the people who had been shooting at me again . and but when i came here and i started reading the scripture and knowing how religion works the where you're supposed to live your life according to the scriptures as closely as you can. well, i saw that in muncie. i didn't see that overseas. so that tells me that obviously the people in muncie are actually a true representation of what is what i'm really is. and it changed my whole perspective, you know, and that's when i started understanding that more, more about human beings and they, they make the decisions they make in the ways that they act simply driven by greed . josh, are you looking very thoughtful, articulate those thoughts?
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go ahead. well, i think that when mac went to the mosque, he just had a big argument with his 8 year old daughter. and you know, she had yelled at him because he said something. as alma phobic, he said something negative about muslims, and his 8 year old daughter confronted him. and like, what are you thinking like, what's, what's wrong with you, dad? and that's when he went to the mosque was in the wake of that argument. because you know, she wanted to make sure he was right, that he, that his plan to bomb them off with the right thing to do. and this little 8 year old had made him question his plans. and i think that when he went in there, his, i think his guard was down a little bit, i think i think there was a tiny crack in his armor. there was a tiny, like opening for love to come in. and when he met b, b, and sobber,
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and joe and the other members of their mosque and they were so nice to him and so kind and welcoming that it kind of blew his mind. i think he didn't know what to think, but he started to think like maybe i maybe i am wrong. maybe maybe i've got this whole thing wrong and it was just amazing moment where, you know, be through her kindness i think started to change his mind and melt away the hatred that he had in his heart. and she didn't even know. like maybe you didn't know anything about what his plans and i did not as you know, i mean i would do the store. i knew on i was blessed and the family that we always took care of stranger. my father also took care of people. i love the homeless and when i came across anybody because i had been up easier toys and taking care of a out up you do than, than my husband being a medical doctor. what can his office experiencing, treating your body now?
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we have done without walks of life and we have competed outcomes of people and throughout our life. and we have give them place in their home that have stayed with us for months and weeks talk to before we let them go and the same thing. so when i did this with a man, what i thought of me to invite him over nothing, i'm sitting on the table where he was sitting with us having a dinner. and i think that also was part of the way of life for me, but it was a huge impact on mac. and that this had been welcomed him in the sent that out, respectfully, and then inviting him over to our house. and she had a mule at him and sit down and listen to his story. i don't think he had this come about. it's pat and i can send them being bought in listen to. i mean that something it impacted him a lot. and then obviously continuously that was not only that thing and we also give him a part of the leadership. when i asked him to be the president of best law muslim
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student association. and he said, oh you sister b b. i don't know what i'm doing. and i worry, i will help you. he said to him, that is a man out is a guy, is a ship? yes, this week i would have got what, how can he be had of the muncie a mosque? how is that possible? because what happened to you, mac, that there's a little gap there between you going into the must be very unhappy with feel muslim neighbors and then you became walked. well, 1st of all, i became the president of the muslim students association at both ball state university here in muncie, mac, and you forgot to say that you became muslim. well yeah, i was getting into i don't go, well yeah, i became a week's he comes in and he's asking my
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husband and the other people i want to become littler and my husband say, now what are you talking about, mac, you know, you need to study want to get ready. now i can let my talk about that. all right, go ahead. right? yeah, yeah, so, yeah, so that's an interesting story. so. so to even go back to just a little bit. no one knew about this plan about my everybody that knew me knew i hated muslims, but nobody knew the extent of my hatred and nobody knew that i was planning to do anything. my wife didn't even know until after the fact she knew when the f b i showed up at the house. i know that opened up a door and we'll get back to that. but when i went there and finally, after all my study and, and my, my conversations and all the, all the acquaintances i,
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i was touched. i was touched by the koran and i, i had to be mostly i just had to and i, it was funny because i went into the mosque on a, on a friday, and for juma and i went up to the doctor and there was another brother mack i know you're showing off, but jima, you went in surprise, right? yes, yeah. okay. yeah. so, so i was a, so i went up to sobber and another brother shop and, and says, hey, i want to take shot. and they both. it was funny because they both looked at me, they both looked at each other. they looked back at me and they said, no, i said, you're not ready. you need to learn more, right, right, and i. and so i looked at them and said, well, we all have a lot or and they look both, both on with back at each other and both them look back at me. and i said,
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i'm not sure a lock system, even if this was a movie, it will be on believable. the fact that it's real life is extraordinary area we spoke to must have a, he's from the african american foundation. and there's a big a message to this film if they needed to be one. i don't think there needs to be one, but there is a big method and must effect mondays will not make a method kits have a listen. it's have a look kind this does change. i think it kindness does change hatred to, to love to community the connection i'm and specifically stranger advocate shows up in a really beautiful way. and i think it also, it also goes and challenges a lot of assumptions. pam that many americans may have about islam and muslims. and i think many americans, quote, unquote knows about islam and knows about muslims. but they have never,
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i spend time and really get to know muslim. close up josh, this is why you are drawn to make this documentary, because where we are not just in america, but in the world right now. how divided people are and you experienced it as a young boy as well? not a is a foam yet is life is i'm a phobia, but human you experienced being i hated because of your jewish heritage or jewish background. so that's why you came to the field. that's what drew you to the phil. what do you make of the reaction? i mean, the reason we wanted to tell this story is because we felt like the story is needed right now. we felt that, you know, as you mentioned, that this is a moment of great division in our country. and that's, you know, it's not often that we come across a story about a would be
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a crime that turns into a happy ending that turns into love that shows the power of kindness, the kindness that love conquers hate. and i was so. ready drawn to this story and to the actions of the congregants at the mac center a month, the be sober. and joe and everybody and what they did that the way they welcomed mac into their congregation and the way that they treated him with kindness. and it literally saved a lives and i can't think of a better way to convey. ready the, the power of kindness than with this story and it's something, it's something we, i think we can all learn from. but it's something we need to remember that being kind to others, especially people, we don't know, are people that we might have preconceived notions about that that can be incredibly powerful, right?
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and i think that it's less than we all need to remember. right now, as we sort of live in this time where we don't really talk to, we don't always talk to people that have different opinions than we do. we sometimes don't talk to people who vote for different political candidate, then we did like it. that's very troubling. to me and i think what b b has shown and through her actions is the power of talking to she didn't need to talk to mack, you know, like, she knew he was different than her. she was even scared of him. but she also saw him as a human being and i think that's just something we need to remember and to be to be like, be, be found of that. yeah. and treat others, treat others as humans and try to find that common ground. and that's what, that's what struck me so much about the story and what b b and,
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and the congregations did in muncie. so so i have been nominated for an oscar and i just wanted to show the moment where joshua and he's production team were waiting for the oscar nominations to come through and they were quite excited. let me just show you what it looks like. and they're just waiting, and then you can tell them when they find out that they were nominated. oh yes. oh . so one of the executive producers of stranger at the gate is mila. your soft sigh . and she says, have a look here to believe that people can change and to be willing to change ourselves is our best hope for a better world. i have spoken so much about this film, it's only 30 minutes and it's available right now. so i'm just going to click so you can see where you can see it w w, w dot stranger at the gate dot com. and just below the title, watch the film here and you can watch it,
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and i guarantee you won't be disappointed. now if you know anything about is i'm, you know, that we are coming to the end of the holy month of ramadan. and then there's an amazing body and festivities and it's amazing and extraordinary. i want to find out what you would wish your fellow muslims around the world in a sentence says to be, be in, in a sentence. max is to be b. first one sentence. i would like, i would like all my hello of friends, a human being families, muslim brothers and sisters. thank you or wish then we're happy and peaceful holidays. okay. need some time for my lack your aid message. yes. ok to all the little brothers and sisters around the world as him, as well as rusty humanity. peace blessings and know that tomorrow is the chance to be better than he. mack thank. he says to v v. thank you, joshua. i see you next time. take everybody
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