and the story needs to be told, i just want to research deeply and dive into its history and origin. with exclusive interviews and death of south korea professionally sees the cherry blossom 1st. al jazeera has teens on the ground to when you move in trees and knives. and have a warning on global climate change this time from the world meteorological organization . it says that frightening trends have been spotted, but who's to blame and can anything be done to reverse them? this isn't less worth. ah, l i walk is a program i'm emron con. the state of the global climate is alarming to say the least. that's according to her reports by the u. n. z w m. o. it says people on

every continent are being affected after many records linked to climate change, what broken last year? they included those on rainfall in pakistan. heat waves in china and europe and ocean temperatures also reached record highs with nearly 60 percent suffering. at least one marine heat wave. the reports as trying to save the glassy as is a lost cause underlying the irreversible nature of climate trends on our planet will go to our guests in a moment. but 1st, this report, a year of extremes. the u. n says 2022. so sea levels and ocean heat reach record levels and describe those for the melting of some glasses in europe. as of the charts in its annual global climate report. the world meteorological organization says antarctic sea ice fell to its lowest extent, ever record. it adds to a final warning last month issued by the u. s. climate body there

a p c. c. that time is running out the world. we have already lost this sir. these melting of glazier game and as the liberal arrives game so, so that, so that's bad news and, and then the, according to i b, c, c, the conservative estimate of for sea level rises. so half me that the one meter per person sensory. this is all part of what the you and describes as quote planetary scale changes on land in the ocean and in the atmosphere. in europe, the report says at least $15000.00 people died last year due to intense heat waves . and in africa, more than 1700000 people in somalia and he few peer we displaced from the homes by drought. at the other extreme flooding devastated pakistan, leaving about a 3rd of the nation's submerged and 8000000 people displaced. the report also warns more extreme weather could be seen seems next year, if no action is taken to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. we need accelerated

action in city areas. first, nat zillow, that lines my proposal is fully others of developed countries to commit to reaching net 0 as close as possible to 2040 the limit. you should all aim to respect and for leaders of emerging economies to commit to reaching that 0 as close as possible to 2050. the developing world is suffering disproportionately from climate disasters. and so far, only a few nations are on track to meet their climate goals. and according to the un, to avert disaster nations. mr. dat quickly to a warming planet, or it'll be too late. i exc topless for inside story. ah. let's go now to our guest. joining me in a nurse and netherlands is leon simons. he's a climate researcher in new york. david holland is a professor of mathematics and atmosphere ocean science in the crowns institute at

a new york university, abu dhabi and in texas. andrew kruschevich, senior researcher columbia university climate school, a warm welcome fuel light to begin in texas. first with andrew cruz garrett. andrew, we've been talking for so long now about climate change, but it's not climate change anymore is climate change. and surely this terminology is part of the problem we're looking at now terminology there should suggest climate damage controlled climate damage limitation and proposing radical solutions . now where we're past the point of no return, surely. well, what we're really talking about is understanding the disproportionality of impact of climate in climate change on different populations on different industries. and at different times we're starting to see even more of this disproportionality. what i mean by that is, yes, we're seeing extreme events and we have the data to document that and to understand the trends. but we need to get better at understanding who is impacted to what

extent and then understand to what extent we could make early warnings and especially early action to, to mitigate impact on the most underserved populations and the industries that are most critical. we've seen that in new york, we've seen that in texas. we've seen that all over the world. so that's what we need to move more towards liam. would you agree with that? would you agree that there are people that are being more affected perhaps than others? and we need early warning systems. yes, we need one systems and we need to know when where change will happen. an important aspect of that is the mission. so, so for, and we know that there's a revenue reduction. so for mission globally, which means especially in northern hemisphere, we will see a lot of change happening very soon. and we need to be warned about it. well, no matter a logical organization may say that we need bonnie systems about trouts about class,

about fires, about level rise in the want to cause changes to the nation. but in order to figure out this is the root causes of the problem. david holland in new york. david, we've been talking about this now for 30 years, at least taking it very seriously to have been micro agreements that have taken place. the un has put out its recommendations. several other organizations have said, let's do this. let's do this. but none of those have actually happened reducing the temperature of the planet. one of the things that we tried to do that hasn't actually happened, there is no way that the world can come together in the way that it needs to. surely, i think that was probably true 5 years ago. it takes a while for things to move from the ground swell if you will, to what's actually happening. and what i mean by that. for example,

if you take the united states, the goal that the president set out by 2030 or so to have a certain decrease in carbon is ation worry. we are already halfway there are close to it. so remarkable change is actually happening now. and that's been caused by people will a people to want to preserve the planet and protect it. so changes actually happening and i think we're going to see that reflected in the next few years under is that an optimistic assessment? you think from david? yes, i do think it's an optimistic assessment and i think the questions that come to my mind are, is related to change change for who i mean this is an opportunity trying to trying to correct what has been, what has been happening over the past 30 years. and longer it's, we have a responsibility to prioritize underserved populations, systematically, depart, prioritized populations and communities. and to me that's,

that's really how we have to measure progress. sure we, we are making some progress as noted in some industries in some areas of the world . but if we are to, to use this transition to, to a more sustainable way of living in a more sustainable, sustainable way of living on earth. we need to, we need to do a better job at prioritizing the communities that are, that are usually and traditionally underserved and prioritize. leo, would you agree with the way it's not about a global impact at the moment? it's not about global strategy, but we need to identify the communities most effective. yes, for sure. and go back to before i don't, i don't really see the progress of going to some steps being taken by the band for years have been high. it is pre highest level c o 2 emissions,

highest level, meet st growth, and yet mis fair, what about me and running? which means we see more and more warming as the final model. they would show a low scenario warming data meeting because stage will be going down that they'd be a rep and the record high. and as i mentioned before, faith i'm so rapidly decreasing and so has been hiding. have we'll build a warming. and now what, what we are decreasing. so for the emissions and not decreasing little o increasing the green emissions, you see the increase in wanting the rate for me was 4 times 396-0000. so i don't see that much progress as we would need to really reduce the expected in the developing countries and we become more gamble,

which 50 degree temperature last very much for the month to change. we need to be aware of this need to be about is of i forget just low mitigate the risks. i mean, david and you did give us a fairly optimistic assessment. certainly, laura, to maybe i've heard on the show in the past, but you've heard of 2 other guess what is driving your thinking that why do you think that we are on the right? so i live in new york city, new york state in new york city, have ambitious plans to d carbonized within the next decade or 2. new york city's electricity grid is already something like a quarter of the way there. i see this change happening in terms of new york city, the largest co providing plan or in the city is being converted to a hydro electric plant to renewable resources. i just see that there's

a groundswell happening now where people are taking this problem, really serious because of what the other 2 guests are saying this. what they're saying is really thinking in, and i'm seeing the serious motivation no longer is this a side issue? this is for most on people's minds and big changes are happening. but david, it is happening in industrialized countries. this isn't happening in iraq, for example, is happening in pakistan in places are really affected by climate change. and i will touch on this, andrew, just earlier that we need to focus on those communities as well as those places. but you can't go in and force people to make radical changes, particularly when there are economic considerations involved. some of the most porous places on the planet are the most affected parks on full one. how do you, how do you do that? how do you get them to change? so i think it's a combination to just the 1st part of the question and build up what,

what david holland was saying. i mean, yes, in new york, it's a great, it's a good example of making progress at the city and the state level. and we're seeing that in different places in the united states, in many developed countries and also in other countries as well. however, we must remember that we are seeing extreme weather events that are leading to greater impact in some communities, even within the most developed countries. new york city, we had devastating flash floods a couple years ago that led to over 20 to 30 deaths. and all of those does happened in new york city in areas that are the lower the lowest income areas in the city. so it speaks to the point of what they were saying, can we have both? can we be making good progress and also still potentially have some, some areas where we need to focus on the most extreme. that's a tails of the distribution in terms of the social economic factors that go into,

in this case. what a disaster, what is what a disaster really? yes. what are the different ingredients of a disaster, for example? so i think that's important to say. now in other countries, yes, i think this is, this is something that we, that we must keep in mind. we've seen with the climate negotiations forcing anyone a country and industry to change hasn't really worked so well. now in the u. s, for example, we are seeing more of a culture shift, you know, it's more of a social shift towards, towards mid, towards making these changes. it's generational in some way. so that does give me hope. it gives me hope in the us. it also gives me hope and other areas of the world. we will see this generational shift hopefully lead to pressure to, to have more better policy for the environment in for the climate. and this is also something that came up in the w mower for, i think they did a good job at highlighting ecosystems and environment within a climate report. and this is, we knew we haven't really seen that so much. so these different factors do, do,

give me hope. however, it is important to understand the difference between most of the populations, most of the communities, and then also the most underserved the tales of the distribution. perhaps we will need different approaches and different strategies for these different segments of the population. actually, leon, he, andrew makes a very good point here. there is a generational shifter happening as a younger generation and perhaps more environmentally aware than possibly any generation before this. now let's remember the, all of this climate change climate change has come from, you know, the industrial revolution and is come from capitalism. that's, you know, it's the drive for profits that has seen us reco planet. and this generation has noticed that and they're much more talking about sustainability and things like that. but is this all just lip service can there at what's the practical that needs to be done, leon? a man. people really think we we can change them and

we should change them. trying to look at what happens in europe last year. 50000 people died from a summer 15000 people. that's 10 times as many people made airlines and still people are talking about that changing to shutting down nuclear power plant. high school in germany barring for 15 years or the phone talks about the gold about 2050 or 2030 or, or whatever. but we don't see the reduction in emission change concentration. anything going wrong? we see here too just keeps rising again the self remission, declining. so we see rapid increase in walking 4 times as fast as between

962000 warming now. and there's a lot of heat being accumulating in the system that's not being released. yes, we need changes. for example, i'm not against capitalism. i'm going to renew, are looking for a country with other than 10000000 people. where on the day you still use what's going to have 1000000000 people around the world as sustainable solutions are solutions for people and they are willing to pay for that. they pay for food pay for fuel. so if they a business case and you can reduce those costs, again, save the environment, making more sustainable garments for people as well. there is

a solution which also work together with capitalism. so i don't think we should throw away decisions, we have what we should be aware of, the changes that are happening to cause, which are the increase in greenhouse gases, and decreasing so formations which are going to play. and those are the most effects, especially in one regions, especially in a speed that changes in practice, a debit. i'm going to come to you just and i want to put the point to end up in texas and we have long demanded infinite growth from a planet with finite resources. that's the bottom line of capitalism. that's why where, where we are now, our guest in the netherlands, they only saying that actually the re sustainable capitalism. there is a cute and cuddly version of capitalism that might help us solve the planet sold

environmental crisis. what do you make of that? yes, i mean, i think i would have to, to learn more about the definitions of that and what yeah. and what the motivating factors are, but that is definitely not my expertise, but i would be, i'm interested in learning about what the different definitions could look like. or the definition looks like and then also how, how is it different? i mean, something we're seeing in, in the climate world very broadly speaking is saying we're seeing new terms and new, new ways to, to refer to things. and yeah, i think that the private sector, not only the private sector governments as well, are getting very good at using some of these terminologies. so i just think being specific about what that means, then perhaps i could comment on it, but i was something i can say is with capitalism. what we have, we seen have, what have we seen in terms of,

in terms of the lower income populations in terms of them having equal access to, to the resources, at least at a proportional level. and how would that change if we have sustainable sustainable capitalism? so those are some of the types of questions or thoughts that i have, but again, i would need to know more about the specific let me put that point to david is that such a thing as environmentally sustainable capitalism? do you think? that's an excellent question. that's not my expertise. i've met on a personal note, i've never understood the idea that we always must grow the economy by 3 percent. and the mathematician that makes no sense from topically because we run out of planet. so i've become very confused by the economics that are driving our planet. but i did want to bring up a different point, which is the public or seen a lot of these reports. the ip came out 2 months ago or so and made many of these

points. this was the world meteorological organization, also an arm of the un. and one of the points that made is about observing the planet. so the entire foundation of our conversation is that is climate change really happening? and the answer is yes, it's extremely likely that humans are changing the planet. that's a very strong statement. and what it's based on his observation and for example, missing last 2 years has shot through the roof. but we don't know where it's coming from. and so there's an emphasis in this report about observing the planet. and so we need to engage the coming generation in a real desire to, to act in the science and technology, etc. in order to observe the planet and understand it myself working and turning on the so called doomsday glaze here. that's kind of the linchpin of global sea level . it looks like that glacier is unstable. we're still trying to model it and understand it. maybe not in time if it collapses. so the idea of the report is that

the secretary general state of the the plan for if you will only warning for all. and so we should put a little bit of focus on the fact that we need to observe the panel the better. because the punchline is we can't mitigate if we really don't understand where the change is happening. now we're running out of time. i want to get an answer from all 3 of you just very, very quickly or begin with leon simon's leon, m. if it's not, capitalism is not sustainable capitalism than it has to be science. that is, the solution is signs the solution to this? is there a science that could be the magic bullet? so there is no one single label is right. so if you look at, for example, greenhouse gas emissions, it's not one source which we can just shut off. we have, we have no, no, no, the black, everyone uses oil fossil fuels,

a consumer diary a by see me say. so it's, we have to me, of course, clear about that. there's not one solution which can solve everything and we will be missing greenhouse gas for quite a while. we were on the solutions, we need industry, we need people. busy we need, we need science with science and not to ignore the crucial part of the system, which are we changing recently. so we should be aware of them. but 11 aspect is a sofa image, which i keep mentioning because he reported was a big discussion about the meeting, the article purpose. and then there was a debate between syria and then they just stop mentioning the software at all because some countries might decide to commit

a plan. but i think that that should be a good start to really reason to discuss the crucial aspect of what's changing. what's being the most rapid change really, and i'm going to jump in running out of time and i want to come to david and andrew david were talking about like science should assigned to take the lead over governmental institutions. over private businesses is science. the only way out of this and the foundation of this whole climate discussion is a scientific one. and then politicians have to take action based on the science. the topic of g o engineering was just brushed on. that's an extremely important topic, very sensitive one going forward. so the, the, the science really is the key to this because we're seeing that solar and wind energy coming down in price me coming affordable. where we're lacking is in carbon capture technology, as we see to go to carbon neutrality by 2040 i really think carbon capture is

something we all need to focus on. because that can solve a large part of the problem. and without the technology, which we currently don't have, but we can get to, we are in some mark problem. so i'm going to come to your under, in just a 2nd. david cobb and capture is a new term on me. it's not something i really understand. i'm sure it's not something you're already into understandable quick very quickly. what is it? carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. and the question is, can you draw back down? so we put in some 80 giga tons a year, some large volume of carbon gas, carbon dioxide. now we withdraw yes and some small scale projects have already demonstrated this recently one in iceland involving capturing carbon to interaction with volcanic rocks. people are talking about see graphs around the coastline to the world. see grass water cor sucks in carbon dioxide. so there are, there are thoughts about how can we grab the carbon out of the atmosphere in stuart so that, that technology right now is very expensive. and we have to think about governments

putting in policy li, i will come to in just a 2nd. i want to come to andrew, andrew, we're talking about carbon capture, which is like as a new term for me. but once again, it's science, those leading the way that science is going to be controversial. do you think there are these radical, almost sy fy ideas that can change the way we are at the moment? well, i think, i think we need to have discussions around them at this point. i mean, i, i don't think it's appropriate term anymore because the technology, as wives, is widely available or at least very closely attainable. so where we need to make sure that organizations such as humanitarian organizations, not only have a seat at the table, but have a voice that is integrated in, in a, in a systematic way into these discussions and are driving these discussions. i think that's where things can go very wrong if we don't have the humanitarian voice, it's substitute level within the discussions. it's more than just getting people at

the table. it's understanding the governance of these discussions and the roles and responsibilities of the different organizations and who they represent. so yeah, science is a big, it's a big part. but there's many different types of science. we have climate science, we have social sciences that we also need to bring more and into the mix. i believe, especially when we're talking about early morning, i guess the w mo has the early warning for all initiative. it's really as, as great potential. however, warnings and alerts are just part of the answer. there is a big gap between warnings and alerts and actually taking action. and there's a big gap between taking action and taking action in the communities that needed the most. so we need to also integrate the social science, the governance aspects echoes. what are other other guests are saying as well? i want to thank old, i guess leon simons, david holland and andrew kruschevich. and i want to thank you as well for watching . you can see the program again anytime by visiting our website out there,

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