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neighbors embroiled in cold cairo inside with one of the bible policy, how much of a gun was taken and what are the possible implications. this is inside story. ah and i welcome to the program i'm to clock. so to don is in turmoil with no end in sight to the fighting between the army and the power military rapid support forces . neighboring nations, already dealing with an influx of refugees, worried that the violence to will spread beyond its borders. as an emergency meeting of the arab league agents representative called for an immediate cease for highlighting the close ties his country has with sudan. but that relationship means that egypt is supporting one side over the other. a decision with far reaching

implications will go to our guests in just a moment. but 1st this report from ne, had a la biddy. and i gave them their rapid support forces says this figure shows egyptian soldiers who surrendered at marrow air base in northern sit on it was released just hours after the conflict broke out between the paramilitary group and sidney's army, mid april. the recess says gyptian military intelligence officers were among those retained. but cairo says troops had been conducting join training exercises with the sudanese counterparts. some say the recess precedes egypt support for general, for to have the hon as a threat. egypt reportedly sent jet fighters just before the fighting started and additional pilot. soon after to support. edward hon. he ended gyptian president of those fat halsey. she had grown closer in recent years in terms of military cooperation,

red sea security and trade. since she has been working to improve tires with sedans, army since former president alma bus, she was removed from power in a qu in 2019. earlier this month, the 2 armies held naval drills at ports had on, on the red sea. both sides opposed the construction of its european make. adam on the now river. egypt fears the ground renaissance danville significantly reduce it, share of the now water and effect agriculture and electricity production. while at the o, p. m. in teens, the dime is essential for it's a comic development sedans unfolding him and carrying crisis is a concern for egypt. the journey from her to him is long more than a 1000 kilometers by road and dangerous. people describe having to go through dozens of checkpoints, set up by fighters from both sides, and once they reach the border, the way to enter egypt. sometimes last several days. the african union and the arab

league have called for diplomatic solution, fearing the fighting may spread beyond sedans, borders, but to date, neither the army nor the rep support for says, has committed to taking part in proposed p stocks. and he had to be d for inside story or at least now go to our guests join me from khartoum. is a student is jealous mohammed? i mean argument in kara in egypt is sar kidda who's founder and director of the european north african center for research. and over the united states in washington, d. c is holly and nannie is associate professor of political science, the doha institute for graduate studies. a will welcome to all of you at if i could start with you and call to mohammed at, because you are very, it's important for us to know how things are with things ramping up again in the past 24 hours. how is security, how food supplies, how frightening is it a,

going to today event that this was a, a fight in different areas, or it's a, a, a by that is it in the same place to a station and, and, and there. and then the phone on the houses of the city is because of that. i'm not sure i random. so i can, i can also that a new factor off

a seats. and then even inside that i was in a place like over a month. so the situation is it's very risky for the people at the people. yeah. use a few of the fuel. a didn't sound as if there's any kind of peace coming anytime soon. let me just ask you one more question before we get, you know, the guess is there a fear among the population in the capital that this could get worse, that neighboring countries might become embroiled in this, that this could spread across the region? yes, actually that the people who are going to see it sexually in a position but this a so that this, this for is because they're, you know, in the dimension and they are looking for suspicious to their own. so it in

a new age. so they're leaving that 2 sites that 2 sites have been supported. the 2 sites, i mean i'm out of there, they got support from that. and so, and leg is standing behind. they believe that there are a lot of science and indications that support in the army. and i met one of 2000 people just to them a support in the us. because other than the kitchens, especially, you know, there is to fight in, in the m and that kind of an investment and what i'm an interest. so those people that live in. so, and this is we just do this for the countries. ok, let's try to cost the car to her. and how is it perceived that,

how serious is it that the external actors like egypt and like the a supporting opposing sides in the situation? well, to speak about the regional factors or the regional actors interested in sudan. that list, that goes on a list that never and of course, egypt has an interest in the stability and prosperity of sudan. and i'll mention later why. but another or of states have different interests. and so dan, and speaking of egypt being behind the army or not it's, it's, it's very important, especially this time to elaborate that egypt is not taking science of one over the other. egypt has paid a visit last january 2023, a through general, our best came and who's the head of the intelligence of egypt to bore hon general

will harm to urge him to take things farther and transition the power to civilians. because that's what sudanese people want, that's why that the nutritionist went on and went on a back in the days. and the crisis of sudan takes a decade. it started a decade ago. and all along that last decade, egypt was trying to mediate, along with the job piece agreement, a workshop, and arab league initiative. so was been trying, it's kind of egypt now last so down, that's the point we can tackle now. because if we look, we have they, okay, as a my colleague mentioned that we have been supporting global hon. okay, but that's not to like, transits the experiment or anything that's for the stability and prosperity of sudan because we see the consequences today. and let us a little more of

a point. look through that point, we'll come back to in a 2nd. sorry, but to throw that point across the title, and i'm curious to know what you think brought back. these are not taking sides one way or the other. over the last decade, egypt has been trying to, to mediate the situations who don, what do you make of that, hulu? i think this is unfortunately added to it. since the beginning of the transition 2019 adopted and deeply flowed short sighted policy and sudan are driven by 2 contradictory objectives. the 1st one, as egypt among other regional allies, such as your aesop did a b l. work at heart body in order to prevent the establishment of a civilian, let alone democratic government in sudan over the last 40 years. on the other hand, you feared that then might turn into a fantasy that might have just to get political and economic that he went to the places that we see right now that an emotional and, and much about the same time. unfortunately,

the main goal for it was door stablish, a strong medical role, as is the case in an order or under the believe that this might but event then from sliding into a civil war or finding into accurate execution. unfortunately, it was like a destructive policy or a process that came to unfortunately if you see the behavior where the last 40 years are on what had they supported the medical component within the transition and suffering counsel and the other hand, the supported also the good it was staging by and, but i don't have it at that time. 2021. then the tried to so discord between civilian force, a dividend that was paid by our best camelot january was not in fact, to support the fin, the framework agreement that was agreed on december 5th. but in order to create a better than a process that, that might create divisions

a month civilians. that's why the main faction, the forces of freedom and change if see the main component, the central council rejected. the president addicted, the diction initiative, and the other faction, the democratic look equity and joined the what's called kayla's workshop. so unfortunately, egypt made this crisis to happen along other allies. unfortunately, i know they'll pay the price a little over 3 months. i can come back to this, i can throw that back to sar before we go back to mohammed. so what's your reaction to that? it's very hard to blame any never in countries or even any other regional or super power actor. incidentally, when the 2 forces are fighting over resources and power, and when the 2 forces are increasing themselves if egypt supporting the national army up to them, because as a state, as egypt as it's for it as a very important axes of its foreign policy, they will never deal with malicious. and this is very evident they will deal only

with the national army, not to transmit any experiments, but that's like the official party who we can deal with egypt lever deal with bar military because that's not an it's concept of foreign policy. that's what i was trying to say, but mediation, i think so then i was very hard for one actor in the region to, to me in this i don't think that even the arab league can come into it has to be the u. s. and e gaga and the a your we're going to come in, we're going to come to mediation resolution, emitted normative. i can come to you. what's your view from within su, dawn of egypt role in all of this both prior to the conflict and now yes, actually, you know, the policy is a and since, like, a 50 years ago has never did. so the policies of it.

so you know, the members of this and he's have a lot of memories of the intervention and that it is also that actually we have this like in 197971 of the 1985 in other residents. so the members of the study, they have a lot of impressions of how it is intervening and the what it takes us to them. so now did they, did they did that to me or is this with germany? it's actually shit. and a lot of interest. they got to been gotta be in the going to be the government to pull it up in the unit into this. so we have a share in mine and investments level

investments, agriculture investments. so, and, you know, in these 2 countries, this has been used actually for are struggling between a me and it's a rivals whether it's civilians or other a student. so the to do a lot of interest in order to stay in power in order to struggle with is about to start and that's in the countries. and we know that these 2 sites were, i mean stuff, and i was there where i live together for a long time. again, is the civilians and do it in that time. there were a lot of things in the region have interest in, given the situation is with them in the hands of these 2 sites and know when that is when this conflict comes in, this conflict of interest. i was point the i did that last also have to keep

their interest on and in then we have a lot of in the insurance for example, we understand it, for example, have a military when we were in mother we air force was us with a is a military, but i stay for a long been in the office of interested in murray is also sending a lot of questions of what is going on between the between the 2 sites. so, and we didn't hear a from from linda's military about this. this is all these things, or this is given, the student is people i mean, in the history and since 2009 and up, you know, and after the beginning of this war, give this to the news. a lot of indications that there is something popping up that is something happen between these 2 countries. another questions that why it didn't

clear that there is no more than a 100 exemption office or by loads that come in and let me jump in. sorry, let me throw that back to you. if you briefly could respond to that and then i'm going to move on to honey. so it, it, it's a lot of the accusations bear in a lot of like say, and i missed it. so of course, i have all the respect to what the student needs to finance one, but no one wants for. no one wants more egypt. if we want something. me personally or is this a new direction set isn't? is the stability of sudan stability or not on the stability, stability and prosperity? why? because any negative consequence. now, the people who are feeling actually our egypt didn't do anything until now. we only evacuated our people from sudan and other foreigners as well. no one has taken

any step forward now, because sudan has slide it into southern war and blaming neighboring countries and other actors. i don't think it's the right exit of the crisis. the right exit of the crisis is to push on to the integration of a real national army. that's to start with now. so then is fully into being categorized in international law as a fe state. if there is no army controlling the borders, that's the importance of any army. if there is no army controlling the boarders and setting peace in even in its own places, there would be no sudan and then ok to pull it on to that to jump in the ground to cover with 10 minutes left. so we need to keep on. so brief if you would hello if you can respond to the other and also just just down to the, the number of this conversation and the potential for this to spiral outside of

sued on what your sense is about that. i think it's very likely to happen. so then as lighting in tough in the state that there is no strong government in control, which means that this might affect other countries. we already have other conflicts and come to like a, chad libya, central africa. so this is very likely to happen if there is no agreement in the future to possibly future. so we are, might witness another for the state that would have spent over the entire area. so then has at least 7 countries and it's neighbors or 8, at least that have also some sort of conflicts from southern sudan or south sudan too, if you'll be at 2 central avenue chat. but let me just respond very quickly to some of the claims they have. you know, i just listen to right now. i mean, 1st of all, we need to break this down into some point. the 1st one to be, they're listed here, most conflicts. now, with the agent have multi layers and different levels,

internal, regional, and international. all actors are paying via from their perspective. this is very legitimate to have a role in these countries, but to speak. and to say that it doesn't. deed was militia, this is again, is the reality actually, a written 60 himself. mit was hemi t 3 years ago in march 2020. at the same time supporting another militia or militia in libya, they are supporting actually a water criminal. i would like, like, have that in it is to libya. also if you look at the junction behavior, what the last, again, 40 years from a different perspective from at please. egypt says perspective, this is very legitimate, an order to i 1st of all the but event at the government. this is for egypt, c. c, a very interesting to an effect that might have an impact in egypt that which is a very, that's a alley theory, as we know. second, but i mean by many reports. and i think in the beginning of this episode that was

mentioned that egypt since at least 12 fighting jets to algebra han over the last 4 or you know, 3 weeks right now. also they said pilots there. so they are very involved with and this and this conflict, and i'll come and say that that he's not role and to speak of mediation with you. sure. doesn't mean to take part in that unfortunate that is that in the beginning, this is a very contradictory set. destructive fullness, but let what about what we're seeing right now is with n. o, sorry, the fact is that the region is, this is we've been talking and discussing here that the region is immersed intentions and miss will be a very, very big problem. not just for sudan, but for egypt as well, if this spirals out of control and at the moment, egypt to stable, but it's economically in deep trouble. it's going to cause a huge amount of difficulties for egypt, isn't it? yes, of course. well, if we talk about the threats that this crisis might cause to egypt, they are

a lot. we have. our border is open, of course, for our brothers and sisters from sudan, but especially this time where we are facing very hard economic crisis. and it's felt by the people. ok, so when we receive more people into the country that causes more demand. and of course more prices up. and that's abc economy economy, and that's what we're going to face now. so the 1st country that will bear all the negative consequence of whatever crisis is going in the south, is egypt for sharing the borders and plus that we are economically unstable now, plus later to be mentioned as well. i'm sure you have a question about that. if you, yes, of course on egypt is very, very alarm from that as calling mentioned as well. we would be yes. interested in a government that goes as an ally to egypt here of course bexla that who wouldn't

say that what country would would wouldn't want. and frankly neighboring country. ok, so a who's sudan is one alarm, one big alarm to egypt. the borders is another alarm and the economic status is a 3rd alarm, as well as the exit from the rate c. so j politically speaking, economically speaking, and from a security perspective, egypt is very alarm. right. hello, sorry, this mentioned the relationship, the relationship with ethiopia, and then of course, tensions in the all region over the ground, renaissance diamond, ethiopia, what does a di stabilize? su dawn, due to egypt. negotiating position. i mean, did so don's negotiating position with ethiopia. i think it will have a huge impact on egypt. position comes to the get it or the guy,

the good. and if you'll be sounds down because it was counting on having a strong government this then that might side with it that might accept to have the option perspective on that. but unfortunately with the kind of situation in sudan, it's very difficult to count. and so then at the same time, i mean from a very, the perspective for it to have that government, they think that government led by hand might be a friendly and can support a position with comes to this. but now as we see right now, there's conflict. conflict is taking place. it's very difficult for you to push forward and not have to bring a binding agreement with if you'd be in that regard. so i think it is a mean it was of the current conflict. unfortunately, if i said before contributed to this and it's like shooting, unfortunately, as far as trying to say that a prolong conflict would throw both sued on and egypt, a water and food security into uncertainty with yes,

of course. food and water security is one of the 1st alarms to egypt in the sudan crisis. are reading some foresight or reports in egypt, out of thing tanks and so on. he says that it goes to the extent that egypt is karen, then they would sell us the water later on. because we believe that there in the upcoming war will be on water resources. and we don't want that. and africa and egypt will be left alone in that fine. if sudan is, is, is incorporated somehow with the point of view of if you peer, that would be egypt to standing alone for it's fight on water resources. and there are 9 river covers only in well, that's a huge amount at 93 percent of our needs. but still we're going into water poverty . or we already entered water poverty in 2017 and with the all the prices. and we

have a problem with the food security because of the russian aggression on ukraine. so again, this is like a, another crisis that we didn't eat. and another thing later, i'm going to stop with her because we have literally down to our last minute, and i just want to end on her liam hallel at the simple question, which it is in the draw where is resolution coming from? i think this is a very difficult question. this is $1000000.00 for sion deck, but i think with that with having some sort of consensus among internal as well as the regular players. it's very difficult to speak about a solution for this crisis. this crisis has been in the macon for the last 40 years old. you know, the parties have contributed to this, and this isn't the dilemma. those part of that, and that, that, that should, that is all this are part of the problem. so the question as to what extent these parties, it isn't an international and look at my gift concessions in order to and this kind of company that would affect the entire region. all right,

we'll leave it there. thank you. in the to, i guess my mind to element ultimate as are at kira and helene. and i, me and thank you for watching. you can see the program again at any time by just visiting our website. amazon dot com have a further discussion day to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. and you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is at a j inside story. for me, nick clark, the whole team here. good bye for now. with ah

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