tv Inside Story Al Jazeera May 3, 2023 2:30pm-3:01pm AST
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now for the gulf, whence continue to be the big story on thursdays. so for us here in doha, gus of about 60 kilometers per meantime in buffering, even stronger wind gusts on thursday, up to 65 kilometers per hour. that's it too soon. ah, a fishing town in synagogue losing it is on is to their dreams of a better life. emigration you so much. it's because synagogue doesn't offer opportunities. al jazeera well tells the story of the community by a wave of immigration and leave the women left behind. i left my husband with finnegan. we don't offer c on al jazeera aah! chad house. hundreds of thousands of refugees from seed on a more have been pouring in. this is the latest fighting began last month. but
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beyond that, what does the war in to don me to chat and how much of a threat is it to its security? this is iceland ah ah. hello, welcome to the program. i am ron kon, that fighting incident between its army and the power military rapid support forces as largely continued despite a ceasefire. so far, the crisis is forced at more than $20000.00 people to flee to neighboring chad. but the impact of the crisis goes beyond the immediate displacement of students. people, analysts worn at the unrest could pose a serious threat to the stability of neighboring countries and the region as a whole. we'll get to our guests in a moment. but 1st, this report from the had elevated now to don's neighbors are watching with great
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concern as to how the conflict is unfolding for regional powers. it's more about minimizing the impact of the crisis. do you and warns more than 800000 people may flee as sedans, army and paramilitary, rapid support forces battle each other. despite of faltering cease fire, at least a 100000 sudanese are expected to seek refuge in child alone, which already horsed more than half a 1000000 refugees from sudan. without a quick resolution of this crisis, we will continue to see more people forced to flee in search of safety and basic assistance. and we are then go picking recorded contingency planning for new arrivals, or refugees returning refugees and others, including 3rd country nationals to all countries. or in the region saddam borders are staggering. 7 countries including libya, egypt and chad, a region that seen its share of conflict in recent years. and analysts war and the
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conflict may attract more weapons and fighters. sedans west in the full region is closely linked with neighboring chart. any instability there can quickly spread across the border. from charge that means fighters friendly to the head of the arrow surf mohammed hummed, and the galler known as ha metty might come to his aid. chard is a you as ally, and some said has concerns about the presence of russia's. wagner mercenary group, enabling central african republic and the potential to back tardy and rebels threatening its government. the wagner group has been accused of having close ties with the rapid support forces, but the mercenary group denies any involvement in the country. a prolonged fight in sudan could have wider ramifications for the sa hell where a foreign powers, like china and france, have had a presence for years. said on stability is important given it strategic location.
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and has drawn the attention of major powers from both the east and west. but the continued unrest poses a significant threat and could lead to further uncertainty for the region. he had ella beady, fully inside story. ah, that's bringing our guest now in angelina, remarked g. i nothing. a senior researcher covering chad and africa's great lakes region for the institute of security studies in manama, abilene shape, a sudanese lawyer analyst, and member of the arab association of constitutional law and addis ababa solomon death, a founding director of amani africa, a pan african thinktank that focuses on peace and security policy in africa, a warm welcome to you'll. i'd like to begin with remote g romaji. there are 20000 refugees in chad already from neighboring student. that numbers rising every single
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day is this threatening the stability of chat in q r. i d data law. firstly, it's not about are those the fidget switching to stability? i'll study new york. but what doors are huge number for the figures bringing and the sedition is on funding. so my deed at this number may arise again. what it's bringing is more distress on the national, our humanitarian system, but also need the national and you money to we are now edward and his issue many do you when that dies taking care of that if you see in the country because of a plea or to the conflict in sudan or the system was already under stress because our, the wards program, but the ceo of the main humanitarian organizations are publicly communicated on the fact that they would. and so shortage of means, meaning our findings to take care of that. officials that were already in the country. so our d soft,
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a huge number from saddam in the last weeks. might them be adding stress on a system that is already ah, facing a lot of challenges. let's bring in now me i believe a shy who's joining us from manama. ah, where is the sudanese government here? where is the rep is put force is when it comes to their relations with chad. to do that i have good relations which had i think, i think it helps the relationship with, with, with chart industry strike with the, with the government. but also you need to look at it from another perspective which is basically there are some of the, some of the trust and i'm finding the are so if they're coming from china, there's trouble trying to both borders. there's family relationships and interracial unmarried relationships between, between the 2. so the, the border has been be the case that people are seeing the 4 area that you start
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for for 20 years, not since the since the war. and therefore, this has witnessed some sort of stability when the age of agreement has been signed. but again, i mean, people know they're thinking that you know, they need to flee to, to chat. mandated, also our stuff for central for and for area where the 5 between the, between ours at house, you know, troops there and the sudanese army as well. so it's historical issue. but again, by they get with your guess that, you know, they're going to be policing. and people have, you know, seeking different ways to shoot them in general with our, with our child to, to subsidize to egypt through. if you can, let's bring in solomon desa here solomon, there's about 7 countries that neva sued on all of those are facing a refugee crisis sort as people try and get out. is there
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a way that these countries can come together and try and sort this house as a unified block or other to many divisions within the wall? and what does, and in particular, what's tabs, role here indeed, situations are done is very dire. and if you know many people fear the public continues and becomes for the fact that there is a danger to done, would be 5 amended and fragmented. saddam duck is in conflict, would also inevitable. these people over the insecurity into neighboring countries. it's important to recall that the relationship between saddam and char, historically, as with, is one where, for example, really books. well printing from charlotte tower,
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been successful in launching that come paid. again. it's hard to me in previous years, and some of them came product to even have to in previous years, is that all, you know, the course well between how can jemina that actually inevitably to come the base of the rebel groups in china that's turning the page in terms of to dance, squeezing the groups ah, and we have to also record what the 5, g, g, and the existence all the groups operating in the north of china as well. and they may be able to take advantage of the situation for their own paris. so all never why julian fragmentation also done would be
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very doctors. and indeed, if the facility and whatever remaining 5 in the news to continue both in the region in the central africa just in the public origin, is going to continue imperative that these countries come together. you know, living differences and you know, the situation so that they would upward the water. so that's good car. let me bring in, hey bill, how do you got the leak? i'm guessing that is have a said he's worried about a fragmented, sued on to think that's a realistic feel so far. if you look at what happened in leave, you know, what happened to syria? what happened? do you know the country that, you know, had an arbor spring in a way the illusion started peacefully? so we had a resolution issue and i know that a pricing issue, se, for 2018. it continued until april 20,
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an 18 which resulted in an agreement which is basically a political for a political agreement that divided arbiten civilians and military. so we had some sort of stability for 2 vs before the 2 and now to over 2021. but again, the b, b, b, what is wanting right now is basically you have an equal foster. this is in these armed forces, which is, you know, the support forces which is completely outside the supervision and oversight of the mysteries on focus. but people the have, you know, different speculations about who started this in the, on the 15th of october. but by the end of that, if this, the people, they still think that this can be contained, we will just something that, you know, the, the transition has to continue people. so thing that, you know, you know, it's not going to bring any piece of stability for them. but again, the position that has been taking by this is and he's on process and that, you know, there's no issues right now with the, with the, with the, with the,
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with the, with respect, at least not with, with, with me deal with this is deputy, his brother, so the fears there that you know, fragment, that sudan would make it for us for everyone in the region for the africa, for the neighboring countries with our egypt, or if you are chad. but no one has an interest for this to happen, not the of the semester. community launches who invested too much on, on having a political agreement or collecting from agreement to see to see the light. it's fillable. so when it, the for now who is fighting is basically the, our, the, and this is in these forces. if we find people and civilians have to defend themselves, then the risk is very high. the become go to civil war at the knowledge it's, it's more we can see there's a control of who's fighting was controlling these weapons. and then the risk is there. there's no political sufficient for,
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for these, these 2 to leave her to him for these talks to, but to that back, i think the risk is high and i'm expected to be in the position where was so don, is, is, is another another leave you another, another serious for us, you can no one has just to see that. let me bring in solomon death here and i have a solomon. chad is a us ally. the u. s. has a number of allies surrounding sue darnell. those relationship with sued on itself has been strained. shall we say over over many years, do you think chad has a role a diplomatic political role to play in the resolution of the complex? i think a prices are every neighboring country. i would say also die hard to think, but also a pull the need role to play for the resolution of this,
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this company by using any influence that they may have on both sides of the conflict, the conflict, the party, the student armed forces and that are the support forces, but i think it's also important to remember that a going through a transition and not dissimilar to that of. so that is similar to sit down in the sense that in china we have also a military and government that is leading transition post or go. it has not been sanctioned in the way that it was sanctioned by the african union. but the conditions are similar. and then i'm going to station in china, so they're either lead to what china china can do,
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but all the same within those limits. i think it's important to bring in a because if you don't been getting on the neighboring countries, they receive that. then exclusion would leave a vacuum that me easily be ex, exploited, or you know, to undermine a magic effort to bring peace. and i see the fighting in have to, well, let me bring in, let me bring in, remind you now from angela from actually is there a limited role that chad can play because of this transition that i guess not as i was talking about. i think that and so we the connection, but i, i think as make what he just said, jed can play alone and let us the call him to fuck that. just before d r d sock jenny, fighting in 9, sudan, ah, child received a se obsessively to visit our 1st from edward on himself and the day after from our
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mit, meaning in a way that to, for the village of, and actually fighting in sudan at chad. could play a role in what's happening in the country. and i totally agree with the fact that a chad at the moment is also managing air transition. or with a lot of internal. i want the stations and it position, but ease somehow for jail, but also facing a lot of classic rigid burns inside. but i definitely, i think a solution to a conflict like the one in sudan actually as absolutely to r b. i originally said so in that died in that way. chad, our sound on optic under the move up on the countries about to be sat on the student needs to be implicated in finding solutions. so that's your loud drill crisis. i believe. i mean, here we are another situation where you have a country that is almost on the brink of civil war, student is fighting with each other. you of the parameters. she forces the rapids
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full forces. you of the government. ah, no one's talking about peace right now. but all of the regional countries including chat, are wondering what that means for them. but the 2 power plays in sudan are 2 thing to the world. this is an internal conflict right now. they're not interested in talking. so what does the international community do? what does a country like chad do with $20000.00 refugees arriving at his border more coming every day? what's the short term that countries like chad can do? it's a mom. let me i'm in here. i think it's a bit. it's a bit ah, ah, under allister to suggest that one single to return. even if it, it might be, like my colleague had said it's a, it should be a very limited for them. and then the scope of that told them the boundaries that he can move on the margin is, is very slim for, for, for, you already have, you know, the quote you had, you know, saudi had the americans, you have the m r,
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and then you have the u k, as part of a if you can use them. and then he had that trailer from mechanism which is basically he got african union ambia. i'm unanimous. so you've, you've had mechanics in place in, in, for, to me that in a way or another, the fellow to contend that, that conflict for so far. but again, there's initiatives, you know, between the saudis and americans to suggest the cease fire and for that to use fire to be permanent. what they are doing right now is that they're extending the truth for allowing, you know, i'm guaranteed secure foods for, for, for allowing you know, how we train it to come to her too. but again, i think it's a, it's not like a one country that can do anything. it has to be a community and can actually communicate itself to move. i have to the, the, the resources that we have right now and in the country basically, you know, the, the mechanics that we have in place and try, which is just a, just, i'm just,
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the other thing is, is, is what you mention about the channel. there's no intended in turn, the intention between be between the hours on the the process to get into negotiations. i don't think this is entirely correct. we can see that the r s f, the are beginning official international committee to, to find the way for them to negotiate because they don't want to lose what they have achieved so far. the past 4 years, the best fast. we are taking a very stubborn position. they're picking a very there, we'd like them to my job docs with the, with the thinking, you know, the, the, the term direct now is basically to resolve this issue. that's really, i'm that you know for the r f to have to move outside offer to me with their tubes and the areas that they are controlling. so i, but there is a way to resolve this, but i think it would take it, it would take a high the shape in the form of whatever i gave me that would check. it's not everyone is focusing on a cease fire that you know they, they can make it to a minute that it can make chief efforts for him to join in to,
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to. so i think this is the focus. no, no, no one is no one seems to be between the 2 parties. interested in a dark talks of political process, at least for the, for the us. in this process, political part is the, are made it clear from the beginning there to see the, the medically that there, i guess give or, and i'm, the solution has to be a political solution for the transition to continue the solomon. once again, we are facing a situation where the international community is getting involved, like a guest. and manama was talking about the various different mechanisms for talks are coming on. but until it's an african solution for african problems, we're going to see this again, isn't this an opportunity for the nation surrounding so don to come together and talk to sit on and bring an internal solution. let's not rely on the u. s anymore. let's not rely on the u. k. any more? surely this is the opportunity when i think it,
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it's one thing to have that kind of ambition or being able to, you know, exercise responsibility or leadership and being the 2 sides to the, you know, to the piece that not that were indeed that is what dr. can union gonna have been trying to do if you recall just a day after the outbreak of this fighting on the 16th of every, the peace and security concert of the african union from being an emergency station on the same day. the inter governmental authority on development, the got the regional body also convened a state extraordinary meeting exactly to take leadership, but also to process on the 2 sites into some meeting to a cessation of hostilities. i think there is so much that they can do in terms of the labor that they have to bear on the 2 sides. so
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it is important therefore, for these countries, since they can buy themselves or whatever they have is not enough to induce the parties into coming to a cessation of hostilities. well, that's the question, therefore, to enlist the support and leverage all others know we did that again, but also beyond that, that's why the role of countries such as those in the gulf of the waste becomes so important. and it's important to record that during the transition process, why the mechanism important that you when the communion and e get was at the front of it for 4 countries making up the quality? what are the ones that we're exercising, leverage now in pushing some of the you know,
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the p. i remember the framework agreement that was done in december for example. but i think there were also lessons that need to be learned. there is so much focus on trying to gain the 2 sites on the neuron potentially being the wider student is public who are opposed to the bloody walk and walk. been a champion off for clarity, but also peace and the voice of the wider suitors public needs to be harnessed. and there is, there should be a way in planning tossed between these 2 sides to ensure that the student is here public. if also adequately and effectively presented, including the members of the response committee, who are displayed in an incredible level, all humanitarian activity. a very interesting point, a very interesting point. solomon, let's bring in abilene high, hey, i know you're,
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you're a lawyer. i remember a few years ago the sudanese lawyers association in caught him was a very powerful organization with a civil society voice. they're kind of civil side. the voice of solomon desk i was talking about has that voice now disappeared. where is the sunni civil society? hey, when it comes to this conflict. so this is, this is for frontier. be the newsletters association when they came up with the, with the, with the initiative to come up with the constitution so, so to speak. he came up with the constitution was part of the drafting committee with the experts have been part of part of defense, some of the stages. but again, they wanted wanted to kind of situation to a, as a process. i'm actually going to have a process that constitution because they should never be in the, you know, with our, with a, have a constitution, but we have the constitution in place knowing respected that constitution not even doing that transition, not even after the cool. so i think the people, they thought, you know, if you having a constitution constitution could be
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a political process. so do use the constitution by this isn't, is my lawyer cessation. and then they pushed that to process. this started, you know, moral shops, different talk ships around, you know, areas lead to peace and, and security. but again, when they came to the peace and security, when they came to the issues listening to reintegration of the, our staff within the army. he was the complex, you know, the, the, the, this is denise, unfortunately made it clear from the beginning that you don't need that to get you to be as soon as possible. we needed to move in 2 years. and then the us, if you wanted that to be within 10 years. so i think i think of the political part is now watching that they're trying to help. but i don't think this is beyond the should be suspended, you contribute. i think the service will say it's right now. what they are trying to do is basically make sure people are safe. people are cared for. people are able to go to hospitals and get treatment, which is not the case right now. i mean, most of i think 90 percent of our, sorry, i don't think we all running out of hearing out as we all running out of time. and
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i do want to bring in remote g here romaji. we've talked a lot about the refugee crisis about the political diplomatic role chad can play, but in the very, very short term. the longer this will goes on there is a danger of our forces could fall back to the border with chad. and that could create a real instability and a real problem for some members of the chatty and government. but certainly within that region, is this a short term concern for you? for sure, there's this kind of concerned because actually what the valve did, the issue of that conflict, actually the editor from losing ground i around capital in getting back to duffle might be, might be something that would change it a prove. busy cycled in deb soul, but also the at assess winning rat sightings actually might also have an impact. so in the short term, whatever the issue of that conflict, there might be a lot of im factor on doubtful. and then on chad, because there was
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a very big component or ethnic character of the forces that actually are fighting within data ads and mainly arab tribes gather under image des coleman. and we also know that in the past, i club room between the different groups and doubtful i, meaning that as a guide, does that co op, did my sally than the at us of always been very fragile. so any change in the position of the artist actually might have an impact in dar 4 and meaning also in chad as the skill of i want to thank all i guess sir romaji and i faith abdullah helene, shave and solomon death her. and i want to thank you as well for watching. now you can see the program any time of i visiting our website out there, a dot com and for further discussion, or go to our facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash asia inside story. and you can also join the conversation on twitter . our handle is at ha, inside story from me, amman,
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