some heavy downpours for kinshasa and for southern africa, it's looking like this. this catch of storms still just up the east coast of south africa. can't roll out astray. shower in durban, with a height 24 degrees on thursday. that's it more later. ah, the turkish filmy, return to the village. yeah. 20. yeah. i need to do that matches one from a new hockey the right to education, divorce and independence causing a generation of me an intimate study by traditional copying the changing town. whitney, travel at 10 am now to see you. said ons warren generals invited to peace talks after fighting kills at least 530 people since mid april, more than a 100000 to have fled their homes. how likely is a new piece initiative to succeed?

this is my story. ah hello, welcome to the program, i'm in bronco and just over 2 weeks of fighting had plans to dawn into a humanitarian crisis. hundreds of people have been killed and thousands injured. many more have been forced from their homes. the conflict is a power struggle between 21 time allies, the head of the army, general abdel, father liberal hon, and the leader of the power military rapid support forces. mohammed ham dan decarlo cell sit on is broken. the latest truce inviting both sides to talk while they lay down their weapons. for a week, we'll be discussing the prospects of this initiative with our guests. but 1st, this report from alex bed with fleeing in the back of an overcrowded truck

sudanese families make the long and difficult journey to safety across the border into egypt. i and we left her to him on wednesday. it was very difficult. there were 28 of us. the boys don't have visas, but we kept them with us. suffering is unprecedented. we left in the middle of the fighting clashes and even all century. it was very upsetting. this is the human cost of the conflict. the united nation sees at least 100000 people have left for neighboring countries. a number it's warned, could rise above 800000 people coming from cartoon were escaping the war and trying to find safety and security arrive here under very difficult circumstances. some people who have passed through here don't have food, some are sick and some are very old. for more than 3 weeks,

the army and the para military rapids support forces have been the control of sudan with both sides violating cease fire after the fire countries in the region, hoping this latest truce broken by south sudan and june. last 7 days. we'll hope that you in his state of army chief of delta, albert han and ari fleet, mohammed hummed on the golf, refused to negotiate. they risk international isolation. agencies are scrambling to help but say there is a shortage of funding and supplies. the secretary general dispatched martin griffith's emergency relief coordinator to the region to explore how we can bring immediate relief to millions of people who lives have been turned upside down. the u. n. and our and our partners are doing our best to reboot the humanitarian response in the country. mister griffith said in his, you'll recall massive looting of displace most of our supplies. we're urgently exploring ways to bring it in and distribute additional supplies. the sudanese

health ministry estimates hundreds of people have been killed and thousands injured and only 16 percent of her terms. medical centers are still operating. people are running out of food and water and there are frequent power. and more and more families are making the tough decision to leave their homes behind in search of safety across the border. the you in is warning that have proposed peace talks. don't resolve the conflict. the humanitarian crisis in sudan could spill over and spread across the region. alex beard inside story. ah, for more on this i'm joined by our guess in nairobi is that near gertrude for started on research are human rights. what she's a former paralegal, the south. it owns ministry of justice and constitutional affairs in york. back re l jack. i'll many a professor public policy at long island university. brooklyn. he co founded front against war publication on sudanese politics and also in nairobi. is stella, gar,

africa, governance analyst who focuses on development security in east africa, a warm welcome to you all. i'd like to begin in new york with our back rate. we had an extension to the ceasefire. ah, there hasn't held for law 6 days, but there's a potential for a both parties to get around the table and talk over the next 7 days. there is this kind of optimism, but just talk is through what the issues are. the underlying issues are between the 2 sides. good afternoon and thank you for hosting me by, you know, part of my work can do is on and, you know, wishes for a speedy recovery for you. i think that issues are, some of them are let's just go back. i have a gene when she cited to become

a very pet maliah dictator. she broke away from his on his leverage as the peas and congress body. and he allow the brothers, of course, is to become a part of that independent army. it was in the things really created a lot of different women and from the, from the high leader, the, your mental job. this is an army, even some of them want to have to be you know, off to resign because they protested, allowing anatomy or militia to be part of the state, but not really following any of the procedures. so that's the, that's the deepest fraction issue that you're trying to going back. and d, when she decided to create a law to allow our support forces to be an independent standing army. that is not a part of this course. is that the beginning of recently?

well, we know that course is david, who as a leader or unique either on his militia, he's deeply invested in gold that and he's doing a lot of tricks that estimate that he was at this point. $7000000000.00. so we know, in order for business to continue to florida, she needs power in need to be protected. that has been using that to get access to these resource is we also know suzanne. his mom courses are deeply invested in a lot of it, not big activities as they are estimates that about to 22 percent offices and he's a public sector is controlled by 0, so not on choices, investments. so we can see there are some competing over interest. there is competition over power. and the last throws out really, brokers are coming back was the conversation that took place in december. and there

has been a framework agreement as the bold after long conversation. and regardless of how people think of the framework, but it brought the issues of control as a front of some of the discussion has been about, how do we go about creating a one on one leadership and who has the right to be jar? ah, honest, if my anecdotal dig into us to be allowed to have 10 years for his militia really support courses to be functioning as an independent and that his right or so control right answers any long use predicted the proposal and they were saying it has to be 2 years and it has to be under one leadership and the interesting point, but that's very interesting point. i want to bring in a near go ahead who is joining us from nairobi. south to don's been a very key player here. it's go everybody around the table at least potentially around the table, but does it have any sway?

does it have any influence on these 2 very powerful and very entrenched, very independent organizations, or thank you for including me in the conversation. i think it's been very clear on the last many weeks that started on it's done. i joined at the him, socially, politically. and also you can only keep. now the fact that saddam was appointed as the gotten the media is a reflection of this relationship. is the crisis broke out in april and mid april, the 30000 people, some of whom are returning subsidies, going back to south dawn and other nationalities including cities have entered the south on buddha. so it started on gets to play an essential role. and now with regard to influence, like i've said, of the 2 countries have social, political, and economic ties. the thoughts with government since the fall of the sheer

government has also gotten very close with the sudanese military governments in her to and this is what is reflected in the placement of precedent. cheer as mediator now started on has a role to play individually and also as part of the african union as part of the regional block of the into governmental organization on development. and that's part of the international body of whether as part of the security council, but as a member of the international community, it will be important for started on to stress on the war, on the 2 warring sides to emphasize on civilian protection to ensure that they end the use of weapons such as morton's tillery shells and milly rocket that are the ham, white radius and our 2 latch rates and are being used in severe neighborhoods. they'll have to emphasize one of the sudanese leaders as well as in all the other

countries that are involved in the deeds. in conversations around this price is whether individually to or habits or to other countries. the need for a sure access to civilians to allow civilians to back it belongs to excess medical attention. and to also even as a country fastened on to ramp up its own humanitarian support. or to prepare on how they will receive this vast numbers of people who are and she has had a very huge oh, she material price. this is the last 2 years. well, let me bring in stella garra. her also joins us from nairobi. we've been hearing a lot about this internet in federal government, her dialogue, a group. we also been hearing a lot about the african union. do you think of those 2 organizations? those 2 are the, the real players here? or is it going to be something like the united nations or,

and even broader international coalition to actually kind of bring peace to sit on . i think you very much for having me in this conversation and indeed, i think those 2 actors were been brought in. i some of the key actors in the conversation, of course led by a sound sedan. i meant the previous because spoke about the strategic position of subsidy. but also the fact that fuzzy them depends on sudan for oil to finding in a beetle or some of their trade. so they're squarely pleased to be able to have it the interest of ending the conflict. and also the interest of driving as a damned was at some form of resolution and africa union initially as the will you hadn't known interference policy. but now as, as the africa union, it has a policy to interfere in mitchell anytime. when his need to secure the interest of citizens to secure the lives of individuals in the continental declare, a very drawn, the eel commission actually had and ethos for the department of business security

that works and around the issues of conflict around the regional. and so, guess, clearly pleased in, in that conversation, to guide or the conversation. and in the event that is a need to send a peacekeeping missions from around the continent build ambulance. coordinating the peacekeeping missions coming from the different countries and neighboring a sudan that he got to have a particular role because he plays the role of from watching regional, a regional coordination integration amongst the countries that are members. and he's one of the members, they need learning countries of sudan who are now receiving at the risk fifties and the displeased people forms done our, our, our, our understanding of this conversation when we get comes in critically to influence the conversation in terms of trying to bring the interest of very young together and showing them in the end and in but countries are on the table even in the conversation that are being held about the kind of human to young that he says, the country needs it running stuff. what that is in the,

in the event overflow. so these 3 after that i've been both of the kimball, truly is apt to be on, on the table. they are either at present being brought into a big funding mechanism that has been created. and i've seen the members of them at russia, they needed kingdom, america, and china and try and as opposed to coming in based on either it just. but it is important to keep discipline position very deeply african fish rather than the issue that address he up asking for india banks on interest. i broke into interplay . well, let's bring him back. korea from new york have had our guests in nairobi. actually say that in this has to be an african thing and perhaps the african union is the strongest, particularly if it can offer a peacekeeping mission. are you confident that the african union can play that role? or do you think it does need to have a wider international role? the u. k. russia, china, america, the united arab emirates, for example. it's, it's actually, i think they deal allowing and, and,

and inviting you to be bothered solutions in africa and going with the model and programs of solutions is, is ever, is a normal and wonderful idea. i have to be frank, can say, i'm very skeptical about the possibilities of a, your ego actually being able to play any mediation when i do one of those that you got to that is how i stay in the game. as these countries are going to be affected on, they are affected right now. oh, i have sickening of more than $200000.00 offices and it's sentences and it's refusing to know how there would be going thousands going to be an added prices. if you be as more than $300.00 refugees giving it to them, they might be going back. so we, we don't understand. he got confused to have a sitting on the game. we understand a who has been trying to really are clear like her many one in addressing somebody and issues. but let's just go back to the basics. one leverage to the african union

really has on those 2 by one parties. if you really think about it, it will come down to what influence do they have that will do it is by having people walking about, we want to want to stop spying. everyone has been calling for the summer, but let's just be honest. and you know, in a minute, overseas warning parties and you has no capacity, it has no mechanism of maintaining peace it's, it's nothing more than just the goodwill on hunting, in my opinion. so yes, it's something to be appreciated, something to via or we have always williams or i is coming from african brothers to try to resolve issues. busy but the issue lies on mind the, the for the trigger, it's a u. s. u k. so the and emmett simply because they have been in touch reserves to harness and they're the ones over there. we are. no bigger is, is funding just a bit of background going to disturb you there. i just going to say that i want to

bring in negotiate for allison ah, bakery says that the african union in the ego of their noble ideas. but they're just not going to work, and this needs to be a much broader international coalitions is to put pressure on the 2 warring parties . do you think the african union is a noble but florida did not. i will take a leave from the south to down piece process or the last many years. it takes a village to achieve. because the main goal here is to ensure simply around protection and at the of the day and accountability for all the abuses being committed currency of the last few years of the transition. so the whole international community does have the responsibility to ensure that the sudanese crisis does not spiral out of control to the point that it also spills over to regional a state such as started on with you. be a chart elsewhere, but also each, each country individually and as part of the collecting has specific rules to be

played. and so that's why i keep emphasizing that even even if started on may not have as much leverage as the u. s. that might have, they might be able to influence the 2 parties, especially in ensuring that you know, civilian protection is a priority. and that even the cause of the resistance committees and the various protest movements take center stage where we know that piece post this is can often be ended just. it will take a village, take several efforts. it will be a costly process, a financially, politically and also socially to the sudanese and the name as well. so it will take everybody to be able to use whatever access and leverage they have to ensure that security provisions, civilian protection, accountability and justice are at the center of how the international community chooses to address this crisis. and that they do not right with the sudanese again,

because what we're looking at is the feelings national community to deliver on the promises of the revolution that was delivered by this denise people stellar. you've heard 2 very different opinions that one very diplomatic opinion of, from nairobi another perhaps stronger opinion on the african union from august in new york. do you still think that the african union eguard, these are the 2 best mechanisms off to hearing those opinions. and i think that will allow me to point out that it is very unfair to figure the african union does not have combust to intervene into conflict in the places in the continent where the african union has not intervened. it has been probably did not interest in their country, but because they can talk about that. as a matter of fact, they have a mandate, they have capacity, they have the ability to intervene, be having to be called before time election related other religion to other folks including will continue to do so i'm going to be eager hasn't quite come rolling

inventory. i've been there in dealing with deaf m trying for me, one of the sort of asking myself, what do we define? breaking point, but we should get the building to the time, the terrain around around to dance, leverage the thunder geopolitics around around to leverage the ability to have a fit into. so down and being treated as i'm opponent. and for me, the fulton was critical. fucking, which is what i want to remind us, is that the ability to be loved to be seen, to be a candidate in this conflict. we already have information that there is some external influence in the conflict and done. and we have to make sure it be given to me for multiple people that have been of this resolution has been being discussed and negotiated, that the people tend to punch in or the people who are behind. they want to do not then get into the conflict some more by bunch of bringing him to interest into the

conversation. we already have some serious headlines for fighting, putting in for bringing up the wind to boston or, or, or even trying to get there hadn't position nobody to help this for the fish. and the little bit, the people actually being our own demi, but all have interest and deeply interested in seeing peace involved done in terms of the question of who is going to be able to be in the place? what folks done against national interest. i think african punches in the aides, elsie's, even wills will see what positions to that extent. they may not miss that. it could be, that was we had the having that wasn't very just as francis is up and sang. but at least in terms of finding a solution, i think that invisible is to read a negotiation process. bakery or what we're hearing is that there is the african union. there is that you got, these are the front lines. organizations are going to deal with any kind of piece, but we have to talk about the region as well. egypt probably has, in fact, has

a very different idea about what it wants ensued on to say, chad, for example, chad has a different idea to the of the neighboring countries. there's a lot of competing interests it. is there anything other than stopping the conflict that these people can agree on? i, i tend to be one of those people who really think it's, it's, there is a way of addressing different the neighboring countries interest r. at the same time, i'm talking something sustainable, not just plugins, a coffee because let's just be honest. living is a conflict at this point in time is not going to address chad or, or via the russian or as we, as we speak. now we know that they are truss getting or 10000 are loaded. does you? this is supplied from hosted in libya to us. are forces. this is a got to be embroiled, the story of the day and they are evidence of the ground is happening. so what i'm

saying is, i don't think we can ignore, will it concerns? egypt has wrist. egypt has been a very frustrated countries. then they have a very strong ties, which is on his military. and they are going to be one of the can present really the ones what's going on is and it's not just about done and he is, has devi, tennessee the are the line. there are some standing issues regarding the, the grid domini, dubia, how we have done is going to be run that was in cuba is connected to when i'm trying to see what's happening. so that is not usually as an issue. it's a reagan an issue. and if we not, we to find a way to threads in how we address these different cassandra antennas for the never can you hear a dial jack lee be at the same time we will be back on, on this issue at some point. if not tonight is going to be out. if not, i'm just going to be going to pony. they are really complicated. are connected

issues. some of the competition of resources, some of them is competition or influence. i tend to talk, you know, i'm not really positive. if sprinkler players alone and really and i'm robinson, this is olivia degrees, it is an interesting point. i me bring in a go ahead from nairobi. you've heard what back re, how to say it is very, very complicated. there's a lot of countries, a lot of different competing interests. however, you know what seller was saying is that perhaps the, one of the things that could happen is a peacekeeping mission, african union peacekeeping mission incident. but the danger of that is, is it's always like a plaza. you don't actually deal with the underlying issues, the regional issues, you're just send in a peacekeeping mission. and that kind of freezes the conflict conflict. but it doesn't really actually sort out the issues. do you think that's a danger? i think a lot of it where he by all means we have to avoid bandage submissions to

a crisis. the has very deep roots and where a underlying cost is not being addressed. now with a jeweler piece process, this is denise job apiece, process. we all know that those security arrangements that were put in place as well as aspects around to be a civilian protection whenever ruled out and walk through it underneath, underneath the surface. and so and as, as of now and what we're seeing internationally as well, lots of disjoint sent statements and multiple ashes left, right, and centre marie, there's no coordinated diplomatic efforts on how to go about addressing the sudanese prices as a whole. so this is something that needs to be emphasized and that public statements being made by multiple countries have to have a, a united. there has to be a united forms in how the student is crisis will be addressed. because as backer

says, that impacts extend beyond the borders of, of saddam and they will have regional impacts for the cells to denise example. you know, the humanitarian crisis is one thing, but also the impacts on markets that rely on seduce goods and will have an impact on food. food insecurity in south on. so there will need to be high level credible candidates and diplomatic efforts. and to really address the underlying causes and to bring c v s at the center. the resistance committees are the various movements that have been are we all running out we are running out of town. i do want to come back to one point of course. so i guess other other good, destin nairobi, stella. so there are 2 very powerful individuals head of the but hello and how he did. these are people who aren't really going to speak to each other across the table unless they're going to find something do thing you can do

that, the incidental community, the result, really, the african union can deal with those egos. in all honesty, i am one of those who has really admitted that he was a too big. and at some point then we need to be pushed to make that and positions are for the benefit of the citizens of, of sudan. these b eagles act you know, and any value in the, from the special needs extremely what and the interest. appleton the cable. and that the, those interest and then assessed on based on, on, on the marriage of what can be delivered in a shocked appeal to somebody you entered in a long compute. and will tell it is the interested in must and will be delivered in the body of a nation that has a government that has at you know, progress and governance going on. otherwise, we'll continue with fighting and destroy everything in the country and look at venue. so for me, in this conversation, what all the actors must convince this good will to do is number one to get them on the table. and the 2,

assuming that was the teacher that used to give their factions to begin putting positions wanted, was he born in a short time and were to look for support in a short time. and he goes on understanding of what it will be accountable for exist country continue, that is, is extremely important. and for me, that means or been even, even a good finding out that was a video litigation after after this was as it is completed, is extremely critical. because then even if they're getting in war, they have certain rules that govern or how they engage in war or have international management, et cetera, that they have defaulted to its own tenant. and so she's extremely, extremely important that their book and the people to understand this kind of stand that women youth and children must be protected even as the engaging would have a conflict and engaging and, and the young old blanket a protected than their me bus depend on them for trade, for, for, for, for adapt. fountain including leads that i used in that country to get things done in day rito. i want to thank all our guests set near go to, to a poor,

a back re al jack. i will med me and stella, gar, and i want to thank you to for watching. now you can see the program again. any time by visiting our website out there, adults call and for further discussion, go to a facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. and you can also join the conversation on twitter. a handle is at a j inside story from me, amman, con and the whole team head bye for now. ah, ah.

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