is 8, is to looking on the disappointing side. now renewals. i forget. so very halting northshore. so this represents what's pretty very hot spring, to be honest in this part of africa. the range of moving study knowles, sporadically the sanctuary for june of this. it was a hey from, from the world and shelter for civilian refugees. web ex got throwed into the garden during cam boat is bloody civil stuff. flooring us up to the and suddenly we have a ton of x on the canal ruler shed. take anything of value out of the hotel cambodia lip in no more hotels. oh no. just sit on the floor in general. i was invited to pay stones off the fighting hills at least $530.00 people since mid april, more than a $100000.00. have let that holmes,

how likely is a new piece initiative to succeed? this isn't the 1st or the hello. welcome to the program on the wrong con, just over 2 weeks of fighting, have plenty to dawn into a few monetary and crisis. hundreds of people have been killed and thousands injured. many mill, i've been false from that homes. the conflict is a power struggle between 21 time allies, the head of the army, general abdul felt that live in the home and the lead of the power of military rapids to pull forces. mohammad hummed under color cell, sit on his bro, could the lights, his truce inviting both sides to tools while they laid down their weapons for a week we'll be discussing the prospect's of this initiative with, i guess. but 1st, this report from alex been leading in the back of an over crowded truck

suit. and these families make the long and difficult journey to safety across the border into egypt. i mean, uh human, we left her to him on wednesday. it was very difficult. they were 28th of us. the boys don't have visas, but we kept them with us. a suffering is unprecedented. we left in the middle of the fighting classes and even all surgery. it was very upsetting. this is the human cost of the conflict. the united nation sees at least 100000 people have list for neighboring countries. and number, it's one could rise above 800000 you know, models, people coming from cartoon for escaping the war and trying to find safety and security arrive here under very difficult circumstances. some people who have passed through here don't have food, some are sick and some are very old. some old and 3 weeks behind

me and a pair of military rapids paint forces has been on the control of suit done with both sides violating ceasefire after the ceasefire. countries and the regional hoping this license truce broke it by self through done and due to last 7 days will hold you in his date of ami chief identified todd han and ari safely to mohammed hummed on the gallow, refused to negotiate. they risk international isolation. agencies are scrambling to help, but say there is a shortage of funding and supplies. the secretary general dispatched martin griffith, emergency relief coordinator to the region to explore how we can bring immediate relief to millions of people whose lives have been turned upside down to you in an art and our partners are doing our best to reboot the humanitarian response. in the country, mr. griffon said, and is your recall massive looting of displace most of our supplies were ordered and exploring ways to bring it in and distribute additional supplies. the student

needs health ministry estimates. hundreds of people have been killed and thousands injured and only 16 percent of hard terms. medical st is still operating. people are running out of food and water. they're a frequent pal accounts and more and more families that making the tough decision to leave their homes behind in search of safety across the board. the u. n. is voiding bits of proposed pace towards don't resolve the conflict. the humanitarian crisis into don could spill over and sprayed across the region like speed inside story. the more on this, i'm joined by all guess and i, rosie is near go to the floor south. sit on research on human rights, what she's a form of her legal, this house. it owns ministry of justice and constitutional affairs in new york. by cri. oh jack, i don't many, a professor of public policy at long island university brooklyn. he confounded front against the wall, a publication on suited these politics. and also in the rugby is still a gar,

africa, governance on the list who focuses on development skills. he in east africa, a warm welcome to old. i'd like to begin in new york with by creek. we have extension to the ceasefire that hasn't held for the last 6 days. but there's a potential for both parties to get around the table and tool uh, over the next 7 days. there is this kind of optimism, but just to focus through what the issues of the underlying issues are between the 2 sides in the afternoon. and thank you for uh, uh, hosting me know, be solved by uh, you know, possibly when it comes to what it says do is a 4 on uh, you know, which is for oh, cd because to use. uh, i think the issues are due, some of the structural uh, let's just go back and say uh, just on the 17. uh when the machine decided to, uh,

keep the uh, the drum, a very personalized dictator. uh, he broke away from his on as long as far as the fees are not gonna come as far the uh, the allow. the brother support of course, is to be a part of the independent army within the same uh, zillow. thing's really creative. a lot of, uh, disagreements and this uh, from the high, uh, the, the, the, your, most of this is an army even sort of saying what has to be you know, off to resign because they protested, allowing an army or maybe here to be part of the state but not really following any of the procedures. so that's a, that's a deepest function issue that you're pointing to, the sort of 17, whenever she decided to play a role, to allow that support forces to be an independent standing army that is not called the diseases of course is out of the beginning of the she recently, well,

we know that really support for the as a leader to either or this nation or he's been invested in gold and you're doing a lot of traits. the estimate is that he's meant, the one that is going to saw in the district is still going to be in the us. so we know, you know, the business to continue as long as she needs power. it needs to be protected, that hasn't been uses the same as that to get access to these resources as we all know. so that is fine because these are deeply invested in a lot of the activities. the estimate is about to 22 percent off of that is public sector is controlled by the side on choices investments. so, so we can see they have some competing over into us. that is competition over power of the last straws that really moves are coming back. was the conversation that took place in december. there has been pretty much agreement, people also

a long conversation and regardless of how people because the framework. but the issues of comfortable to the front of some of the discussion has been about, how do we go about creating a one on one of these issues. otherwise to be john or uh, honestly if my own the us to be allowed often use for his uh, melisha what really support causes to be a function of that independence under his own sort of control, brought the views rejected the call and they were saying it has to be 3 is kind of has to be under, wouldn't be the issue of that the but that's a very interesting point. actually. that's very interesting point. i want to bring in a near go ahead who is joining us from nairobi cell. so you don't, it's been a very key player, it's got everybody around the table at least potentially around the table. but does

it have any sway? does it have any influence on these 2 very powerful and varying trends? very independent organizations. thank you for including me in the conversation. i think it's been very, yeah, well the last to many weeks that subsidized on our joy at the he socially, politically, and also the community. uh now the fact that south to dine was appointed as the gotten the mediation is that a reflection of this relationship is the price is broke. how do they provide me to the approval to 2000 people and some of whom are returned these sausages, going back to south dawn and other nationalities including cities have entered the south down buddha as though it's dr. duddy goes to k, i the central role. and now with regard to the show and like i said, of the 2 countries, how social political, the economy, ties the sauce these government since the fall of the shared government has also

gotten very close with us to do nice military governments being part of. and this is what is reflected in the appointments, both precedent, you're asking me to utah now. it's also done has a role to k, dooley and also as part of the african union as part of the regional a lot of the it's a governmental organization. when developments and there's part of the international uh body, whether as part of the security council, but as a member of the international community, it will be in boxes for stocks, it onto stress on the work on the, to work sides. to emphasize those to be in protection, to ensure that they end the use of weapons such as war terms, bachelor shelves, and then many roll kids that are have wide radius and are to not to reach and are being used in the us to be in neighborhoods of they'll have to emphasize one of the sudanese dieters as well as all of the other countries that are in bold. i couldn't

be deep in conversations around this price is whether individually to or hon. um, or have a g r a to other countries. the need for insurance to access the civilians to allow us to be construed that could be wrong success, medical attention. and so also even as a culture of substances, bronco is own human to, to support or to prepare on how to be received. this box numbers of people were seeing a country has had a very huge a. she went through a price. this is the last 2 years. well, let me bring in stuck. all right. hey, also joins us from nairobi. we've been hearing a lot about this into an internal government's a dialogue, a group. and we've also been hearing a lot about the african union. do you think of those 2 organizations, those to the, the real players hit? or is it going to be something like the united nations or,

and even broad international coalition to actually kind of bring peace to sit on. and thank you very much for helping me with this conversation. indeed, i think those 2 up to a little bit brought team some of the key up to the conversation, of course led by a sounds of done. i meant to do this because spoke about the strategic position was obviously done. but also the fact that folks have done convince onto done the full blind or finding individual or some of them sheet. so this quality piece to be able to have in the interest of end of the conflict and also the interest of driving things best done was some form of isolation. diagnostic tell you when you, initially i think where you had the money to parents born, you see. but now, as of the africa, you know, the tough police interview at the nation any time when these need to secure the interest of citizens because of the lives of individuals in, in the continental. this will be clear, a visual video crucial up to the user for the department of defense security,

the watts, and the all the issues of both companies around the regional and so desperately placed in the conversation. to guide the position. i mean, the best that even needs to send a peacekeeping missions from around the continental that'd be due on coordinating the be keeping the shots coming from the different countries neighboring a sedan that you guys have to be particular ones because it please the conventional at um regional coordination integration amongst the countries that are it's members . as one of the members, the neighboring countries are done who are now receiving the recipient using the displeased people from done are, are, are, are of the send, the oldest conversation. somebody get comes in quickly coming to influence the organization in terms of trying to bring the interest of the return together. and showing that the member countries are on the team or even in the position of being held the kind of a few months to young services. the country needs that kind of stuff. what that is between the, in the, in the bins and it overflowed. so these 3,

the can book truly is up to be on the, on the table. the cause of being brought into big funding. the kind of thing that has been created, and i've seen the members of the russia, the united kingdom, america, china, nice sentra and was supposed to come to need based on the other interest. but it is important to keep this conversation very deeply. i think i'm pretty sure that, that the issue that the past and for any other experiences i broke into incomplete . well, that's bringing back cri um from new york. you've had a guessing, nairobi actually say that, you know, this has to be an african thing, and perhaps the african union is the strongest, particularly if it can know for a peacekeeping mission. are you confident that the african union can play that role, or do you think it does need to have a wider international role? the u. k. russia, china, america, the united that are members for example, is actually, i think that, you know, and i think for you to be model solutions, you're not the guy. i mean,

going was the, the model i kind of programs are those versions is, is there is an all and wonderful idea. i have to be, uh, 5 can see i'm a bit skeptical about the possibility. so there you're actually being able to play any mediation on what i do, what it is, uh you gotta stay in the game as you start going to be uh, affected um they are big cuz right now, oh, i was thinking of uh, or the $200000.00, that is, so this is that is really using that all that would be more than 2000. that's going to be an added biases. if you has more than $300.00 refugees giving us the data, they might be going back. so when you were doing this that you got kind of used to have a static on the game, we understand you has been trying to really uh like, uh, maybe one in addressing some of the issues. but let's just go back to the basics.

well, let's do. the union really has on those 2 by 20 parties. if you really think about this coming down to what is, what do they have? they will do. it is fine having people walk them. uh, we one of the woods established by everyone that was being quoting for that was uh, but let's just be honest. and you know, but it's always useful and then you have the capacity. it has no mechanism to open to any piece. it's. it's nothing more than just the wave and how many in my opinion . so yes, it's something to be appreciated. it's something to be uh, we have to wait. wait. gonzalez is coming from thinking brothers to try to address the issues. busy the issue was a mind the, the for the 20, the us you can to the image simply because they have to be in touch with those 2 bodies of the products. the ones over there we want to know better is, is finding the backer. i'm going to disturb you,

that i just drew distributech. so i want to bring in me. i got sued for uh, listen, uh, buckley says that the african union in the god of the noble idea is, but i just don't wanna work. and this needs to be a much broad international coalitions is to put pressure on the 2 warring policies . do you think the african union is a noble but fluid? i do not. i will take a leave from the thoughts of the peace process last many years. it takes a village to achieve the cause. the main goal here is to ensure us to be around protection and ideas, the accountability for all the uses, the increments of the cartridge and over the last few years of the transition. so the whole international community does have the responsibility to ensure that the student needs prices does not spiral out of control to the point that it also steals over to regional us. do such as opposite on would you be charged elsewhere, but also each, each country individually in this part of the collection has specific rules to be

played. and so that's why i keep emphasizing that even if any thoughts of time, you know, have as much leverage as to us that might have, they might be able to insurance of the 2 parties, especially in a sure that, you know, studio protection is a priority. and that even the calls of the resistance committees and the various purchased movements. uh, take center stage where we know that piece processes can often be ended just. we will take a religion to several efforts. it will be a coffee process for nationally, politically, and also such change to the cities and the neighbors as well. so he will take everybody to be able to use what about access and leverage. you have to ensure that the security provisions, us to be a protection, accountability and justice are at the sense of how the international community chooses to address this process. and that they do not try. it was a so to me, again because what we're looking now is the street open special community to

develop the promises of the revolution that was delivered by this is denise people at stellar you've heard through very different opinions that one very diplomatic opinion from nairobi another perhaps strong opinion on the african union from august in new york. do you still think that the african union you got these are the 2 best mechanisms off the hearing those 2 opinions? and i think 1st of all, i need to point out that teachers being faxed in or the african union doesn't know, talk about the, to intervene and is going to take into place to the continent where the african union has not intervene. is because they probably do not take interest in their country, but not because they can tell capacity. as a matter of fact, they have a mandate. they have capacity to have the biggest thing to be having to be conflicts before time to make some delete to others. but the other factors, including both the principal and the continued to do so i'm going to be equal to hasn't completed quite some really inventory. then that was be sure that continent

india was called disposal guess i'm trying to use for me. one of the sort of asking myself is, what do we define? i really bring this conversation disobedience with the upfront, such as temperature mean around around the dodge. we've been just the biggest one was funded, you kicked around around some done leverage, the ability to have access into so that you know, being treated as i'm opponent. and for me, the fulton was critical of pain disposition, which is what i want to remind me of the past. is there anything that needs to be done, but something's not to be looked seemed to be a one kind of induced course. we already have the information that they have to get somebody funded insurance in the country. it gives a guy, and we have to make sure i, because it's to me once a month for much of a piece of security that you've been having of this recent vision is being, is being discussed and negotiated. the people who used to get to the content or the people who are behind it once they do not then get it continues to continue with the conflict some more. but you really need the interest into the conversation. we

really have some serious type like positions for both fighting parties. and so bringing up as we're going to be involved in or, or, or even strengthens on that happening positions, is not going to help this conversation that deals of the day. now, me pull up truly being around any bus all have interest and therefore i'm deeply interested in seeing peace insults and uncomfortable question. okay. who is going to remove the issue in the place? so all the sounds done i gave you national interest. i think of the kind of countries and the utilities have been moved to wilkes the position to that extent. they may not be excited to be that was the other that was the very to, as francis looked it up on the phone. but at least in terms of finding a solution, i think doesn't basically need a negotiation process backward. uh, what we're hearing is that there is the african union. there is that you got these all the front lines, organizations that going to deal with any kind of piece, but we have to talk about the region as well. egypt probably has, in fact, has

a very different idea about what it was in pseudo on to say, chad, for example, chad has a different idea to the neighboring countries. there's a lot of competing interests it. is there anything other than stopping the conflict that these people can agree on? i tend to be one of those people who really think it's it's, there is a way of addressing the front of the neighborhood country's interest. at the same time of talking something. so saying, we're not just talking to coffee because that's just to be on the call at this point in time is not going to address jazz or the bottom of the russian or as we, as we speak. so we know that they are twice getting more 10000 are you uh, digital platform hosted in media to us. uh for susan, this is a gotta be a brother sort of the evidence on the ground. this is happening. so what i'm saying

is, i don't think we kind of, you know what the big concern he has raised. egypt has been a change countries the, they have a very strong ties, which is on these military. and they are going to be one of the countries that we want to know what's, what's going on is, i mean, it's not just about done and he can even do this. has this mean the uh, the lines uh, they are some settling issues regarding the grid, johnny dubia, how me, how they've done. i'm going to be one that was in cuba is connected to of what i'm trying to see. what's happening. so the issue is if we get an issue, i think we don't really find a way to print any of them in how we address these different cause. and i think that is for the memory countries in the us out of style chat, and maybe at the same time, we will be back on, on this issue at some point. it's not us tonight, it's going to be a job. if not, i'm just going to be a supervisor because they probably, they are really complicated, connected issues,

some of the competition or resources, some of them is going to general, but it's more. i tend to, uh, you know, i'm not really positive, it's big and i play as a no. oh, really afraid that i'm wrong. so is this is the, is, it is an interesting point. i mean, bringing me a go ahead from nairobi, you've heard what back re, how to say it is very, very complicated. there's a lot of countries, a lot of different competing interests. however, you know what the seller was saying is that perhaps the one of the things that could happen is a peacekeeping mission, in african union peacekeeping mission, in food on. but the danger of that is, is it's almost like a plus to you that actually deal with the underlying issues, the regional issues, you just send in a peacekeeping mission. and that kind of freezes the complet conflict. but it doesn't really actually salt out. the issue is, do you think that's a danger? i think it where you by all means we have to avoid bondage solutions to

a crisis that has very deep roots and where the line and cost is having to be addressed. now we did, you've a piece process uh the soon usage of a piece process. we all know that the security arrangements that will put in place as well as aspects of the city and protection, but never ruled out and walk through and underneath, underneath the surface. and there, so as, as of now and what we're seeing internationally as well as lots of disjointed statements and multiple actions. and i've tried some sense up very, there's new coordinate subject to my, to efforts on how to go about addressing this really surprises as a whole. so this is something that needs to be emphasize in the public statements being made by multiple countries have to have a, a, you know, that has to be a united thoughts in how the sit in his presence will be addressed. because his

battery says the impact extend beyond the board as full of dawn and they will have regional impacts sort of stuff. so do nice example. you know, that you mature in crisis is one thing, but also the impacts of markets that rely on students goods. um, and we'll have the new password seats for the security and insults it on. so that will need to be high level, credible, coordinated diplomatic efforts, and to be address the underlying causes and to bring some videos at the sense of the resistance committees of the various movements that have been sorry, the we all running out. we all running out of time now do you want to come back to one point of course, so guess other, other good testing nairobi, stella set up. there are 2 very powerful individuals here, an adult, but how to stop and how many to these are people who aren't really going to speak to each other across the table unless they get assigned something. do you think you

can do that? the international community, the regional community, the community can deal with those e gods. in all honesty, i'm one of those who has really a to be to that's uh, that equals as to be. and at some point, they may need to be pushed to make something positions for the benefit of the citizens of both of these b equals. i don't know anybody either from the special needs extremely one of the interest i put on the table in the losing interest and then assessed or being done on, on the may to what category directly gonna shop to be on the computer. what's related to the interest that you must and really be to me, but the both people venetian the type of government that has a new product, a governance going one other way of doing, continue it, fighting and destroy everything. and i can look at the venue. so for me, in this conversation, what all the actors must convince people to do is number one to get them on the table. number 2, assuming domestic to each other. i used to give the functions to begin putting

particularly shows of what is possible. give me a short time and what is the most important in a short time? i think one of the time what it would be uncomfortable for disappointing continued over to you next to me important. and for me, that means i'm given, you know, putting up the possibility of litigation after that is what processes is, is completed is extremely valuable because they're even these dangerous. well, they have something rules that govern how they engage in more of the international magic, etc. that they have to be useful to show. and so she's extremely, extremely important about the book and the converge. one of the company's kind of found that women youth and children must be protected, given everything gives you the um, on the one condition and the protecting me but depend on them for trade, for, for, for, for the meetings range that i use in the country to get things done in the regional

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