for us here in the house, so it's going to pick up the sand and dust in parts of saudi arabia. but for don't have i think wind gusts in the order of about 45 kilometers per hour on friday, but plenty of time in the forecast. we'll see you soon. take care the. the latest news as it breaks 8 a. does it say that hundreds of students refugees within the community? why you have to be registered then people cannot access page with detail coverage. he believes his message of protecting fundamental rights and democracy, but once again, resumes with voters from around the world. one thing it shows is russia's continued debility to be able to strike anywhere in this country whenever it pleases the or $2.00. more in general is invited to a peaceful and softer fighting hills. at least 530 people since mid 8th. more than a 100000 have let the homes, how likely is a new piece initiative to succeed?

this isn't the 1st or the hello. welcome to the program on the wrong con, just over 2 weeks of fighting, have plenty to dawn into a humanitarian crisis. hundreds of people have been killed and thousands injured. many more i've been forced from their homes. the conflict is a power struggle between 21 time highlights the head of the army, general abdul thought that a liberal hon. i'm the leader of the power military rapids support forces. mohammed have done the caller cell, sit on his broken, the latest truce inviting both sides to, to hold while they laid down their weapons. for a week we'll be discussing the prospects of this initiative with, i guess. but 1st, this report from alex bid leading in the back of an overcrowded truck

suit. and these families make the long and difficult journey to safety across the border into egypt. i mean, uh you and we'd have talked to him on wednesday, it was very difficult. there were 28th of us. the boys don't have visas, but we kept them with us. a suffering is unprecedented. we left in the middle of the fighting classes and even all surgery. it was very upsetting. this is the human cost of the conflict. the united nation sees at least 100000 people have list for neighboring countries. a number it's won't, could rise above 800000 you know, models, people coming from cartoon for escaping the war and trying to find safety and security arrive here under very difficult circumstances. some people who have passed through here don't have foods, some are sick and some are very old to mold in 3 weeks. the

me in the paramilitary rep, it's a paint forces if business to control a suit done with both sides violating ceasefire after the ceasefire. countries and the regional hoping this license truce broke it by south through dawn and due to last 7 days will hold. the you mean has said, if i'm a chief of delta, i would what han and already safely to mohammed hummed on the dollar, refused to negotiate. they risk international isolation. agencies are scrambling to help but say there is a shortage of funding and supplies. the secretary general dispatched martin griffith, emergency relief coordinator to the region to explore how we can bring immediate relief to millions of people who lives have been turned upside down to you in an art and our partners are doing our best to reboot the humanitarian response. in the country, mr. griffith said in, as you'll recall, massive looting of displace, most of our supplies were originally exploring ways to bringing in and distribute additional supplies. the student needs help from industry estimates. hundreds of

people have been killed and thousands injured and only 16 percent of hard tombs medical st is still operating. people are running out of food and was in there a frequent pal accounts and more and more families and making the tough decision to leave their homes behind. in search of safety across the board to the u. n. is voiding. passive proposed pace talks done to resolve the conflict. the humanitarian crisis into don could spill over and sprayed across the region at like speed inside story. the more on this, i'm joined by all guess and i rode the is near go to for south with on research on human rights. what she's a form of her legal. this house it owns ministry of justice and constitutional fed is in new york by cri. oh, jack made me a professor of public policy at long island university, brooklyn. he co founded front against a publication on suit these politics and also in the ruby is still a gar, africa,

governance on the list who focuses on development security in east africa. a warm welcome to old. i'd like to begin in new york with by creek. we have extension to the ceasefire, but it hasn't held for the last 6 days, but there's a potential for both parties to get around the table and tool uh, over the next 7 days. there is this kind of optimism, but just to focus through what the issues of the underlying issues are between the 2 sides of the good afternoon and thank you for uh, uh, hosting me, let me start by uh, you know, pause when it comes to what it says do is a 4 on an uh, you know, which is for a cd recovery was to use. uh, i think the issues are due to the time. uh, let's just go back and say uh, just on the 17, when the machine decided to, uh, keep the uh, the got

a very personalized dictator. uh, he broke away from his on his number as far as the fees are not gonna cover as part of the uh, the uh, allowed. the brother support costs is due because a lot of the independent army within the same uh, zillow thing's really creative. a lot of uh, disagreements and uh, process uh, from the high uh, either the, the, your, most of this has any army, even some of them what has to be, you know, off to resign because they have to see it allowing a me or me here to be part of the state, but not really following any of the procedures. so that's a, that's a deepest function issue that you're pointing to going back sort of 17 when, but she decided to create below, to allow the support forces to be an independent standing army that is not called the diseases. of course, is that the beginning of the issue recently?

well, you know, that really supports the as the, as a leader to either of this nation. he's been investing in gold and he's doing a lot of traits. the estimate is meant for what that is going to. so want to see if you're still going to be involved. so we know that you know the business to continue as long as she needs power. it needs to be protected, that hasn't been used as a spit out at the side to get access to these resources. we also know today is not, of course these are deeply invested in a lot of the activities as the estimates of about to 22 percent off of that is public sector is controlled by the side on choices investments. so we can see they have some competing when does this competition or part of the last straws? the coming back was the conversation that took place in december. there has been

a pretty much agreement. people also a long conversation. and regardless of how people singles the framework, but the issues of the constable to the front of some of the discussion has been about, how do we go about creating a one on one of these issues. otherwise to be john or uh, honestly, if my own the us to be allowed often use for his uh, militia what really support what seems to be function of that independence under his own sort of control. right. and then as long as use rejected the call, and they were saying it has to be 3 is kind of has to be under, wouldn't be the same as the but that's a very interesting point, buckley, that's very interesting point. i want to bring in a near go ahead who is joining us from nairobi cell. so you don't, it's been a very key player. it's got everybody around the table at least potentially around

the table. but does it have any way? does it have any influence on these 2 very powerful and varying trends? very independent organizations. thank you for and including me in the conversation . i think it's been back here last many weeks that south donna's done are joining the he especially politically. and also, if you can only thing. now the fact that subsidized was appointed as the gotten the mediation, is that a reflection of this relationship as, as the price is broke out in april or may april, the 3rd, 2000 people, some of whom are returned. these sausages, going back to south dawn and other nationalities including cities have entered the south down buddha. so as dr. duddy gets to k, i the central role. and now with regard to insurance, like i said, of the 2 countries have social, political, and economy ties. this off of these governments since the fall of the bus year, government has also gotten very close with us to do nice military governments being

part of and this is what is reflected in the apartments both precedent to your estimated so now it's also done has a role to play duly as also as part of the african union as part of the regional a lot of the it's a governmental organization when developments and that's part of the international uh body, whether as part of the security council. but as a member of the international community, it will be in boxes for stocks and onto stress on the work on the, to work sides. to emphasize those to be in protection, to ensure that the end of the use of weapons such as war terms by tillery shelves, and then many roll kids that are, have wide radius and actually not to read to. and i'd be used in the us to be a neighbor. ready of don't have to emphasize one of the sudanese dieters as well

as all of the other countries that are in bold. i couldn't be deep in conversations around this price is whether individual into or time or energy or to other countries. the need for insurance to access the civilians to allow us to be construed by could be wrong success, medical attention. and so also even as a culture of substances, rough uh, uh, its own, she went to go support to prepare on how to be received. this bus numbers of people were entering a country has had a very huge uh, she went through the price. this is the last 2 years. well, let me bring instead of okay. all right. hey, also joins us from nairobi. we've been hearing a lot about this into an internal government to dialogue, a group. and we've also been hearing a lot about the african union. do you think of those 2 organizations, those to the, the real players hit? or is it going to be something like the united nations or,

and even broad international coalition to actually kind of bring peace to sit on it . thank you very much for helping me with this conversation. indeed, i think those 2 up as well been brought team i some of the key up to the conversation. of course today by ourselves have done meant that this because spoke about the strategic position was obviously done. but also the fact that folks have done depends on who done full blind or finding individual or some veterans. so this quality piece to be able to have the interest of ending the conflict and also the interest of driving is best done, was some form of position that it doesn't tell you when you initially i think where you had the money to parents. but you see, but now of the african union, because a police interview at the nation any time when these need to secure the interest of citizens to secure the lives of individuals in the continental. this will be clear, a visual video crucial up to the user for the department of defense security,

the watts on the all the issues of the around to reach out. and so this guy he placed in the conversation to guide the position. i mean, the best a is a need to send a peacekeeping mission from around the continental, that'd be due on coordinating the be keeping the shots coming from a different country. a neighboring a done that you guys have to be particular role because it please enroll from what you regional, a regional coordination integration amongst the countries advancement. but saddam is one of the members, the neighboring countries of sedan who are now receiving a there is very g. 's of the displeased people from done are, are, are, are of the send, the oldest conversation somebody get comes in quickly to influence the organization in terms of trying to bring the interest of the return together. and showing that the member countries are on that p mode, even though the conversation, the opinion of the kind of a few months to young services, the country needs the guidance of what the to the,

in the event that it will not flow. so these print, the book truly is up to be on the, on the table, the cause of being brought into big, splendid, and kind of thing that has been created. and i've seen the members of the russia, the united kingdom america, ty, nice sentra and was supposed to come the need based on a bunch of interest. but it is important to keep this conversation very deeply. i think i'm pretty sure that then the issue that this key of boston for any of that i'm an interest i broke into incomplete. well, that's bringing back cri um from new york. you've had, i'll guess, and not right. we actually say that, you know, this has to be an african thing, and perhaps the african union is the strongest, particularly if it can know for a peacekeeping mission. are you confident that the african union can play that role? or do you think it does need to have a wider international role the u. k. russia, china, america, the united out, remember as, for example, it's actually, i think that, you know, and i think calling you to be model solutions,

you're not the guy. i mean, going was the, the model i kind of programs are those versions is, is there is a normal and wonderful idea. i have to be, uh, 5 can see the step to get about the possibility. so there you're actually being able to play any mediation on either one of those that you got to come please, how i stay in the game as he's not going to be uh, affected on they are right now. oh, i was thinking about more than $200000.00. so then it's, so this is and it's really using that all that would be more than 1000. that's going to be an added biases. if you be as more than $300.00 refuse giving us the data, they might be going by. so when you were doing this that you got kind of used to have a static on the game. we understand you has been trying to really uh, claim like, uh, maybe one in addressing some of the issues. but let's just go back to the basics.

well, remember to do the union really has on those 2 by 20 parties. if you really think about this coming down to what influence do they have? the other one is fine, having people what we one of the woods established by everyone that was being quoting for the ones. but let's just be honest. and you have always these one parties and then you have no capacity. it has under conditions. all meant any piece it's. it's nothing more about this. the housing in my opinion. so yes, it's something to be appreciated. it's something to be uh, we have to wait. wait. gonzalez is coming from thinking brothers to try to address the issues. but the issue was a minus the, the for the 20, the, it's a us, you can to the average simply because they have of being in touch with those 2 bodies of the products. the one is the then we want to know the other is, is finding the backer. i'm going to disturb you,

that i just drew just over the next i want to bring in me. i got sued for uh, listen, uh, buckley says that the african union in the god of the noble idea is, but they're just not gonna work. and this needs to be a much broad international coalitions is to put pressure on the 2 warring policies . do you think the african union is an oval but fluid? i do not. i will take a leave from the thoughts of the peace process of an estimate of years. it takes the village to achieve the cause. the main goal here is to ensure us to be around protection and at the end of the day and accountability for all the uses being committed to the car into the last few years of the transition. so the whole international community does have the responsibility to ensure that the student needs prices does not spiral out of control to the point that it also spills over to regional us. do such as opposite on would you be charged elsewhere, but also each, each country individually in this part of the collection has specific rules to be

played. and so that's why keep emphasizing that, even if any thoughts of time, you know, have as much leverage as to us that might have, they might be able to influence of the 2 parties, especially in a sure that, you know, studio protection is a prior team. and that even the calls of the resistance committees and the various purchased movements uh, take center stage where we know that these processes can often be ended just. we will take a village to take several efforts. it will be a costly process for nationally, politically, and also such change to the cities and the neighbors as well. so it will take everybody to be able to use whatever access and leverage you have to ensure that the security provisions us to be a protection accountability and justice r, at the sense of how the international community chooses to address these prices. and that they do not travel to so to me again,

because what we're looking at is the philippines national community to develop the promises of the revolution that was delivered by this is denise people stellar. you've heard through very different opinions that one very diplomatic opinion of, from nairobi another perhaps strong opinion on the african union from august in new york. do you still think that the african union he got these are the 2 best mechanisms off the hearing. those 2 opinions, i think 1st of all, i need to point out that speech is vague and fib sooner. the african union doesn't know, talk about the, to intervene in this conflict in the place to the continent where the african union has not intervene. is because they probably do not take interest in their country, but not because they can talk about 16. as a matter of fact, they have a mandate. they have capacity to have the biggest thing to be having to be conflicts before donald eviction deleted others. but the other factors, including both because the continued to do so, i'm going to be eager to hasn't completed quite some rollings and been something

that was be sure that a bunch of notes in the cartridge, those will just, i'm trying to use for me one of the sort of asking myself is, what do we define our lead ranging this conversation is a big change with the upfront stop at the time that you're going around around that you're going to just the biggest one is funded. you kicked around around some time . leverage is the ability to have access into so that you know, being treated as i'm opponent and for me default and was critical of pain disposition, which is what i want to remind the past is the, the biggest will be the problems not to be, you know, there's not seem to be on kind of induce clinics, we already have the information that they have. so there's some extended drugs in the country. it gives a guy and we have to make sure i'd be good to meet once a month for the month of peace and security. but even of this, recent vision is being, is being uh disgusting, negotiated. the people who used to get to the contract or the people who are behind one, pick them up and get it continues to continue with the conflict. some will buy,

but you really need the interest into the position. we already have some serious headlines positions for both viking parties, and so bringing up as well into in boston or, or, or even strengthens on get that happening. positions is not going to help this organization that deals with the people actually being are on the bus. all have interest and therefore i'm deeply interested in seeing peace insults and uncomfortable, questionable who is going to be able to issue in the place. so all the thoughts done a give international inches. i think that's the kind of countries in the utilities have been moved to wilkes the position to that extent. they may not be excited to be the ones we have. the other that was being very just, as francis looked it up on the phone, but at least in terms of finding a solution, i think doesn't basically need any position process. but going, uh, what we're hearing is that there is the african union. there is that you got these all the front lines, organizations that going to deal with any kind of piece, but we have to talk about the region as well. egypt probably has in fact, has

a very different idea about what it was and so don't to say chad. for example, chad has a different idea to the neighboring countries. there's a lot of competing interests it. is there anything other than stopping the conflict that these people could agree on? i tend to be one of those people who really think it's it's, there is a way of addressing the front of the narrative countries into this uh, at the same time of talking something so. so yeah, we're not just starting to accomplish because let's just be on a call at this point in time. it's not going to address jazz or, or via the russian or as we, as we speak. so we know that they are twins getting more 10000 on you and is this a platform hosted immediately to us forces? this is a guardian brother sort of the evidence on the ground. it's just happening. so what

i'm saying is, i don't think we kind of, you know what the big concerns egypt has raised. egypt has been a change countries that they have a very strong ties, which is on these military. and they are going to be one of the countries, the ones what's going on is, i mean it's not just about done and he is, has david as being the, the line. they are some startling issues regarding the grid, johnny dubia, how me, how they've done. i'm going to be one that was in cuba is connected to what i'm trying to see. what's happening so that in the ninety's issue, it's a reading an issue. i think we don't really find the way to the trends and them and how we address these different costs. and i think that is for the memory confused in the us out style chat, and maybe at the same time we will be back on, on this issue at some point. it's not us tonight, it's going to be job. he's not going to be getting funding. they are really part of the, uh, connecting issues, some of the competition of resources. some of them,

these companies, you know, but it's more, i tend to, uh, you know, i'm not really positive in speaking my plans and know kinda really had a brand that i, i'm robinson's, this is the, is a, it's an interesting point. i mean, bringing me a go ahead from nairobi, you've heard what back re, how to say it is very, very complicated. there's a lot of countries, a lot of different competing interests. however, you know what the seller was saying is that perhaps a, one of the things that could happen is a peacekeeping mission, african union peacekeeping mission in food on. but the danger of that is, is it's almost like a plus to you that actually deal with the underlying issues, the regional issues, you just send in a peacekeeping mission. and that kind of freezes the conflict conflict. but it doesn't really actually sorts out the issue is do you think that's a danger? i think it where you,

by all means we have to avoid bondage solutions to a crisis that has very deep roots and where the line and costs is having to be addressed. now when did you, what piece process decision usage of a piece process? we all know that the security arrangements that will put in place as well as aspects around the city of protection, but never ruled out and walk through and underneath, underneath the surface there. so as, as of now, and what we're seeing internationally as well is lots of disjointed statements and multiple actions. and i've tried some sense up very, there's new coordinate subject to my, to ethics on how to go about addressing disability prices as a whole. so this is something that needs to be emphasize in the public statements being made by multiple countries have to have a united that has to be united thoughts in how the sit in his presence will be

addressed. because his doctor says the impasse extend beyond the board as full of dawn and they will have regional impacts sort of stuff. so do nice example. you know that you mature and price is one thing. but also that impacts the markets that rely on student needs. goods and will have the impact receives food insecurity in insults and on. so that will need to be high level credible quantity to diplomatic efforts, and to re address the underlying causes and to bring some videos at the sense of the resistance committees of the various movements that have been sorry, the we all running out. we all running out to talking, i do want to come back to one point of course. so i guess other other good testing nairobi, stella set up. there are 2 very powerful individuals hit of the up and how many to these are people who aren't really going to speak to each other across the table unless they get assigned something. do you think you can do that?

the international community, the regional community, the african union, can deal with those e gods. in all honesty, i am one of those who has really a because that's uh, that equals that to be and at some point they may need to be pushed through make some decisions um for the benefit of the citizens of also done these b eagles. i don't know any volume either from the special needs, extremely one of the interest on the, on the table and the losing interest. and then assets of being done on, on the may to what category of the shop to be on the computer. what's related to the interest that you must and really be to me, but the body of additional, the type of government that has a funeral, provide a governance going one other way of doing continue with fighting and destroy everything. and i can look at the venue. so for me, in this conversation was all the actors must convince the people to do number one, to get them on the table, number 2, assuming domestic to each other. i used to give the functions to begin putting

particularly shows of what is possible. give me a show time, what is the most important in a short time? i think one of the time, what can be uncomfortable for just going to continue to to is it's truly important . and for me, that means i'm given, you know, probably not the possibility of litigation after after before processes is, is completed is extremely valuable because there, even these dangerous and well they have something rules that govern how they engage in more of the international magic exit trips. that they have to be useful to show didn't. so she thinks to me, instrument important, but then the converge, one of the companies kind of found that women and children must be protected given, have been given to the public, the one condition and the protecting me buzz depend on them for trade, full, 4 full full adult settings, which means that i used to be in the country to get things done in the regional. i

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