in spain and something from c, i just 20 were about 10 to 15 above that, that'd probably be maintained over the next day. and so london represents pretty much average temperature wise, although it is going down. but look at this, this is a disappointment. i mean, a lot of significant sunshine and days potential, right. the jump into the stream 10 percent of the population globally is responsible for about 15 percent of carbon emissions. showing the debates. people have already lost that life. people have those of that culture of the people who have your say, want to broaden this conversation by bringing more voices into it live on youtube. people commenting. i will check with the color that the visitors on al jazeera. russia says the united states gave the go ahead for ukrainian during strike on the president intended to kill president flooding and

food sent to noise launching any attack. washington says the kremlin his line, one of the possible invitations. this is inside the hello. welcome to the program. i'm wrong con, something did happen over the kremlin on tuesday. no, it's. but what exactly is the subject of opposing views and the east and the west? russia size is a defense. foiled a u. s. planned attack by ukrainian drains labeling. it attempts to assassinate president putin is threatening retaliation keep denies. any involvement on the us says must go is line and a few moments will be speaking to all guess about what might have happened. am the implications. but 1st, this report from alex, paid a ser,

like at the hearts of russian power most go sees it's a defensive shut down a drug and foiled in a tech by ukraine planned by the united states. and it's heck, it's is, was aimed at assess the nice in present, letting me a post in both washington and kias say they would most involved. we don't at tech for 2 or most go i'll, we fly to home on our territory and we're defending our religious in cities. we don't have, you know, enough weapon for these. i've seen the reports. i can't, in any way validate them. we simply, we simply don't know. the 2nd i would take anything coming out of the kremlin with a very large shake or salt. but russia is i'm convinced. such attempts to distance themselves are absolutely laughable. we are well aware that the decision on such actions and terrorist attacks is not made in keys,

but in washington. and then keith does what it's told. ukrainians have mixed responses due tomorrow up all of it didn't burn enough. it has to burn like one of the cities of burning and burned to the ground are so please consider them. i don't think it was ukraine. the russians tend to attack their own territory and then blame us so that the waste react. and we turn off to be the aggressor instead of them. the bus on the streets of most go, people are shaking, plus the reward, this park where everyone will be concerned by incidents involving drones. this is open terrorism for the city and the as the i feel something between shock and suspicion because they have already been reports of some weird explosions in the moscow region. it's not clear yet whether this is really some kind of military act, or if it's just an act for purposes that are not really clear. russia has repeatedly accused ukraine of carrying out drones strikes on its territory. the most recent on oil refineries and fuel depos and the black,

the polls of neurosis. and sylvester poll says he in an ex try me a t if he's not taking responsibility for these attacks. buses, middle traces undermining russian. logistics is parts of preparations for accounts are offensive at like speed inside story. the, that's all can well i guess and must go to meet you. babbage, a political analyst at the, you know, it's me a russian state and company, the monitors west and media in odessa, ukraine is honda, celeste, security studies program director, ukrainian prism a foreign policy and security thing time and but then iris, editor in chief of be any intel, the news and full, not most good bureau chief for the day, the kind of golf, a warm welcome to all of you once begin in most go fast with dimitry babbage, dimitri, do you really believe that this was a us backed ukrainian strike? well, this is what the booking spokesman me to pass code. however,

the do provide the a business, but in general, let's think logically. when the said they were not because they said it was some kind of a rush and a position group that did this. i'm sorry, i don't believe it was the position of people, most of them are sensible, but additions, those of them would have abroad. and those of them would even rush said to a new one with extra credit. crediting anyone who tries to destroy the architectural mornings, which every russian and all the rest of what was the whole, knows that that person would be there for the next the maybe next door. no one will vote for seem over her in rush. so i don't believe this is a russian, a positional russian in search of the army. who did it as me kind of pull that said that you agree? so it was obviously a, sometimes the way you bring in group that needed what us from today. i still may be

independently from the team that i don't know if it was something done in coordination with the radio, special services, whether you bring it on it, it is very, very wide being that there were also in america involved with what. so make us both, make it the secret that they sell your green army, and you bring in goals to, to do that, i want to some slides and it's due to other battle drops, you know, the other immunity to fulfill immunities obligations in, in the interest rate against pressure the american started to start is quite oh, let's bring in hand i. so let's say in a desa how to the ukrainians do have drones. they have use drones in the past against russian targets. but is there any way that this could be true, as the russians say, you claim the definitely it has the thousands types of different drones, both the reconnaissance time because the drones, as the combined to jones,

we use all of them and the battlefield is not a state state prison. the question is, uh, do we have any benefits uh, from such decisions. this supposed enough express just the personal opinion that is no. the widespread, the senior senior grade above the opposition to you. uh, sure. but uh, i'll send you printing an official point of view that's definitely the most in our interest. we have targeting the world, the pools, or the military of just something that will have a benefit on the bustle, shield targeting crime lane in the middle, the night. it doesn't have any sense, even the symbolic long, well, well, that is one of the most protected or piece, allegedly the most protected place and the washington duration. so when you have to drills coming was 10 minutes difference was the wonderful video in such a bullet to that, it seems to me all secure to services around the world became jealous about that policy. that's really race suspicious about who it is and how it was done. it says to me that a piece is requiring what i rags during. he has to be out today,

most of the asper to autonomy to the conclusion that needs to be potentially in the interest of one of the washer and security services. not naming can play an exact want or some groups for them. we services the largest, besides the using the arguments for them to services as long as i'm well off. would know how to bypass the russian air defense the 2nd because no significant damage to better say no damage was done acceptable. the nice why work added the video that to store the store that we for the speed, you won't get 12 hours and any news from the russian ration on the 12 hours of the explosion, that's also stream is suspicious. if you look for the previous, that's kind of being the answer is because we need to go through the night tab that we have these nights. it goes to my speech. i woke up at 3 o'clock in the night from the explosions and the running young jose manuel for or beast already. and jones had that didn't scription and be a wins say for the family and so most cold. so you understand how that was the news,

the media to up and i'm going to bring you in in just a 2nd, but i want to get dimitris reaction to his comments. but what do you think? uh well, uh, i just wanted to say that uh, yes, uh the great inside the ease of taking the oil deposits and needed 3 dogs. why would russians uh, make search here dangerous that into the ground and there was some damage done. you know, there they are beautiful, the sign it, which is the bottom of the most precious buildings. oh oh, the kremlin a somber, these beautiful see they had to replace some part of the see in the series, all of it. and that's for the media or, you know, graham, these have been field around the goal. the rec square isn't in the field around the globe, the cameras everywhere. so there is absolutely, it is not surprising that they sent this video, i guess for the publication of this video. well, was after the end of the night,

it was after the, it's happened. i think it was in the interest. so uh, you know, perception that the government was probably just afraid of and they were not sure how they would interpret this video, interpret this. it was how they would call it, go ahead. let me remind you of that. of the grown. it was the last time in 1917 when the bolsheviks are coming to baldwin and use the key to re, uh, to, to destroyed resistance. and then i want to bring you in, hey, uh you covered uh you the most compared to for the day you had a golf. you must go very very well. um this attack, we're never going to get to whoever was responsible for that. certainly not in the short term, but on both sides. what does this mean? well, it's very confusing story and the experience the notary's most buying rapid, like mushrooms in the room. i'm. however, i think there's a few things that you can be pretty confident about. i mean,

the 1st is the suggestion, it was an assassination attempt, which i find, well, why don't you send the drones and sign them to arrive at the coming in at 2 o'clock in the morning when obviously everybody's gone home and bounced beds. i mean it's whatever is it suited for outside time from can train border and so you set them off at 11 o'clock in the morning or 12, not at 8 to 10 o'clock in the evening. so there's bands. and the other thing is there's been some questions raised the, the price, drones to me specify that they do actually this is not the 1st time, but the problem is find drones interest it. there was a way of trying to tags at the end of february, so, so hard for definitely various targets in western russia, in the european russia along the brain border. but one of those drones get many as far as muscular came down just outside in the suburbs, and that was a printing. my colleague was saying i was just trying to impact the explosives. and so certainly they have the time to take, but it's each do it. so the remaining question is, who does it,

was it the prime side. ready is it the russians and some sort of black off? i'm asked for the confusion stuff because they both have um wins from this. the, the effect of, you know, striking the wilson is bunker all the way and most of went down very well in care. everyone was quite proud and happy and i guess with bites back to taking a slice of restaurants in the front door and the other arm around the rest of the site is that i've heard of people saying it's probably some sort of escalation. i think a lot more credible is that, is it a wake up call to shake people up um, as part of the increasing drive and so many questions, think kind of augusta are under attack. we have to do something about this. and so that they would join the army, and that's quite a significant period. so much is moscow in the last 10, those 2 weeks has been blasted with recruitment and posts is trying to encourage people. it's just a constant thing on the tv. and to show you go to the defense minister and has lost

his campaigns trying for the 400000 people i know display. it's a recruitment and signing people up contracts paying them no. conscription and this is what we had last september. because politically forcing 400000 people ran into the army is dangerous because because that could cause that backlash. and so if you take the bias, that's the reason i'm having the shop commitments back in the opposite must go to try and despite people to try me, um yeah, i mean, it actually makes some sense. dimitri, the attack came at a, at a time where, you know, russia is looking for excuses, according to the west to be able to escalate the will in ukraine. whoever was responsible for it. it's incredibly convenient. is that for letting me present? i don't know what i looked into because right now the vote is prepared for the reading and i'm calling for a fancy old adult because they're both you're agreeing is going on that now. so i

would say that it's concept a very convenient. that was an entity, there was the wrong number, some pull and see the drum and press which items weight is myself saying that may be easily ascii. he's not able to stop by and really convince him called the passive. so he compensates for 8 by making these attacks against oil depths and now against the ground. and that's all. so i was able to you before me how to whoever was responsible for this attack. ukraine will have to deal with the circumstances of it. what is so the zalinski and his in a cabinet. what do you think the. busy thinking right now, what do you think that responds to this? i just going to wait to see what must go does next. if we speak about the ukraine inside, i would also say that the destruction of the oil, the force of that is the demonstration of the weakness of your prey. that is very much the lie. you know, all the preparation for the counter offense. because counter fence is not only about the number of a nation and forces, but also about the capabilities of supply and of the logistics of the both sides.

because it just doesn't want to mean at the top. and we have the sound perfectly that way, a little on central. that's what a military needs lands an old type of them. and that's where the russian situation has the certain advantages. that's why it's, i think it will close out. where is the munition storage? is it is just a very good line of preparation for any type of the escalation of the military actions on the grounds i would capable or notes as to previous come to offense and marketing systems demonstrated that ukraine can you find all ways brinkets with that sort of surprise, i cannot say that to all most to attract or how to name. it's the most extra them. that's something of the demonstration because it doesn't demonstrate tennessee. however, that is yes, once you read that is running of all the, all one of the printing business man a few weeks ago announced competition and surprise. oh, for those who will land

a jewel as the red square on the 9th of may. and that is quite a significant amount of that competition, and we know that more than 1000 joules private jones being overdue for just a little bit in ukraine to participate in these action. so, so we're actually going to, we also kind of imagine that one of those would like to try um they are locked uh in the competition the other they tried something because as my colleagues add to a lot of nice, uh, uh, big from it, it doesn't have any sense or um well from the great insight in terms of. ringback straightening escalation or preventing it and other sites that's more of a symbolic action rather than the i'm seeing from the strategic points that you've been through a tree. did you really think the private business went and you, cranes may have given a prize? and this is just the law, the competition that hold any water with you? well uh, i think there are many uh groups in your brain which what the,

oh let me remind you of that during the 8 years and especially during the 2 years. wow. is it asking was impala against the several sinus, so that she was going to find the coal from ice with russia to make it true? so even to conclude a, b, c. and every time there was a ball, whole political force, the demonstrations. while the honestly even rank sex is or his. so uh i, i suppose it was a private business from just one person. but there are very powerful nation to the circles in your brain which can organize a community action. so the role uh and uh, which can organize presentations. so i don't exclude the possibility that they ask you didn't know about the subject. also, let me tell you that basically now we're actually going to be daily the same way. and they're only you're ready to go. syndrome unfortunately will help in talking

about the need to see as and ask is kind of what the authorized be didn't key many times. and what is the gauntlet of the media, the people in russia that more sensible than that would be the by there was a lot of talk about it in the media. and also please know it is a sort of an interesting thing is an ascii after visiting fema, instead of going to give minus surprised, freezing to cool. a kind of, he was a, in that flea from dealing with before is that they didn't, i saw him. maybe he's afraid to come back to his office. well, we'll get into that in a moment. but when i bring been iris and the hey, whose phone bell and then what part is august? the speaking to is the changing nature of wolf or you can now make private individuals can now have cuz i can do cyber wolf at drones. all very, very popular. amongst civilians amongst people who just like to fly them for fun. they're out ways of changing those drains as commercially available drains and something a little bit more dangerous here. same. do you think that this is could. busy be

actually what we've, what it looks like is just the rogue attack. yeah, i want to pick up on, on demetrius plan. that's one of the confusing thing about this is, you know, it's been a so cases, a fight between the brain and, and the cabinet. however, but there is the possibility of there are these fractions as stream training nationalists. one of the theories of how the no string pipelines gas pipelines got blown up was that it was an independent operation by a bunch of patriots who just went off and decided to do on their own. and that's not that, that's incredible. say re i pad. so it's the same, same thing, and we didn't measure to the part of science. i mean, to make sure he's being dismissal will be opposition because the mainstream of position that we know and see in our tvs and not the only opposition that we put a piece coming up there on a group. as of anika so much, we're going around and blowing up that government buildings bring up police

stations. but it's very small staff, it's, it's, and it's very strange opposition group. but it's possible that this group actually cut themselves together and have active drawn with some explosives and extensive answer from that. i'm as your suggesting. and that would be in a massive explanation. but i think that's unlikely, but it's still possible. and if you look at the trends of selves, i mean, i was thinking about things, we could be confident, and i think we can be pretty confident that the americans were not behind this because their entire strategy has been to provide you brain as the be defensive weapons, and the logic behind that is about helping the training defend itself, not have the state escape. drones is own drugs, highly sophisticated ones, which most people haven't done. those are offensive lessons and then the argument becomes that for the russians, and that you're not defending in front anymore, you're actually using as a proxy to attractive specs. next war and then, but more as well or treat. but that how to say somebody else couldn't get their

hands on this and the ukrainians themselves. one of the great innovations in this world, what's new is the use of children's toys that they hungry lions, something a slew of a russian position and dropped them onto the tanks, cause soldiers. and the search being definitely which has been highly effective. and there's nothing to say you can't take one of the on the tasks and strides which just looking around and you can pack them in spite of this. and that's actually precisely what we saw in the end of february. that was what drain was. it was just an old kind of a driving that'd be where it lies, by putting supposedly in it and then flying in and rushing crashing. and so that it was that kind of coffee drawn into that. so, i mean, i know in a desk what we're talking about now is this brought the american roll as well that the americans have back to crate it to the hill. but if this was the americans back in ukraine with the type of driving that can get to last good, couldn't get to read sky that would that red squared, that would be an escalation. but is there any way?

is there any credibility to the theory that this actually happened? anything that you've heard today, the may change your mind? no, absolutely no. and the bottom, no, like i have 2 reasons for at least one is this procedure for reason. because in the oil supplies of the us weapons to ukraine is always just cost quality. and most probably the case, that's not all this weapons should be used against the russians to duration. that is the reason why your brain was not receiving a certain type of the ammunition, but we are requesting even for the high mars of the longest range that we offer. because uh, the west side reached the russian territory. so we are not to allow them to to use it. uh, that is, uh a like, would it be absolutely logical in this way for the last uh, out to back such operations when they ask you for a phone. so people to attend to the russians that would choice the saturdays because probably the move the um, even the worst the law as opposed to the notes escalating to and possible maybe

negotiations able to score so well off to the counter offense. essential. that'd be cheaper than all the statements. so why to escalate? why to provoke something in moscow? exactly, you must. so because we understand oversee our picture at both. we've made this out in the very beginning. that would be absolutely been more in line with all of us policy for the uh, the sport. and so was the covers moments of support uh to your trade. uh that is why it seems to me that uh, also the 2nd reason because they said there were 2 reasons. the 2nd reason is quite an interesting. we heard the statements that i bought to the us involved with usually from the russian size. and very interesting. the reason for that is it's either us as on may till the copying each time when russia is losing these accidents, which channels name it is we lose because it is just the x of those. but to anyway, for the washer restorative, it is very difficult to recognize the bases and things, especially for the military. oh, in terms of defense to ukraine. so as soon as it is, the law says they always blame that. it is only because nature and both only

because the wife goes for the domestic consumption. that is definitely the better to present. why don't you make it? how do we make up the very excellent you make a very excellent point. i want to pick up for it before you move on to me. 3. this is for domestic consumption versus the business boots in the kremlin, just to show the bugs hang if there's a little high public here. when you blame the americans for this, right, i can say i can say that i was calling uh, the russian philo. it's the mean idea over actually using the might of states as, as gabled is very interesting. but uh, i kind of the, i don't think you've been supported with fast. it's a fact denied the states of the west in general. so what are you great military? there are conflicts of dance, you know, they're almost sophisticated the web of the kind of being sent through your brain even before the end of february 2022 through 9th of states house,

all of the legally left the president john, according to the thousands, with you the virus, the getting started, actually the last stop is there. so i think the west, because you remind that this is something that people with the west forget that they wouldn't even stop in 2020 to be installed. and in fact, in 2013, when the basically in the center of kia process, the thing is the absolute, the legal decision by the president to before the sign in all the association agreement with the you, it was a there that search of the police from the work you have at what type of the space you saw the issue just one second. we all the info to the store. it's a very interesting screen, too much space. yeah. we all, we all running out of time to do when it come to, very quickly to hannah, who's violently shaking a head and disagreements with dmitri very quickly. alex, i do want to come to ben as well, very quickly. what's wrong with what demetrius? i yeah,

the worst started in 2014 bucks was it gives you the linux ation. and the russian of russian in crania, that's russia was denying for many here are saying, but it is some civil war wherever and what she calls more. so i'm part of the smallest, i'm perfectly a lot of those who been standing to add to the on my job, not in p, if you know, desktops protesting against the corrupt to the government. that's being just the topics of the russian situation and russia intervenes and their tears, but there were no killing of them. i bet time a police people something to the we're really saw this thing to solve and for to you earlier, but only with the frame you annexation the, the actual promotion situation. and then i want to bring you in here. uh well, a lot of what we're hearing right now is the fall. google is counter accusation, accusation something the americans, the russians, chinese, everybody seems to be. every supervisor seems to be very, very good that we're never going to get to the truth of what actually happened know for decades, surely. and so, you know, and that both sides are playing

a very important hours in to mason game. um, so the messaging is very important, definitely. so uh for as an excuse because he's an entire dependent on western supplies. i mean most of the kinds industry is being smashed um and so he needs to keep it in the headlines. he needs to keep the support up. he's terrified of ukraine's fatigue as opposed to the hearing, but then i mean misleading the effects with seeing it and then the power goes a lot, have you. and then since it has the same problem, i mean, he's got to keep sort of apathetic population on board with this for because the material impact of the sanctions on russia is getting more and more just civil. they're not suffering yet. but um, you know, in terms of going down a big us, that was a blast, a process with the labs. so these products have disappeared from the market. and so it's very hard when you start how to look at what's actually going on, because everybody is telling you the line. and i've seen this, you know,

we both sides them depending and you haven't been spinning it. so the on message i'm from that's going to continue. i think be the truth of is my who is actually behind this attack will not come out be, is i want to thank all august, dimitri bobby, as you kind of should last and then iris. and thank you for watching. now you can see the program again. any time by visiting or websites out, is there a dot com for further discussion? go to a facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story. and you could also join the conversation on twitter or handle, is that a j inside story for me in my account and all team, hey, bye for now, the the,

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