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is one of the top 10 websites in the entire well earlier we talk to us physical address, rigidity route about what it felt like to be look at this is what he told us. when i 1st found out that i had a big a peach about me, i was frankly flat. it talked tickled pink because you see a big pdf is michael to start for quick references on scientific pathways, discoveries and people. and so the idea that people could come to pick a p d and find out about my research was really quite nice. and this was not a soft piece. it turns out that this article about nice, really well researched, is quite accurate and pretty insightful summary of the work done by my research could. so that really pleased me. so let's take

a little deeper into like a pdf and its impact in the 1st that it was made in january, 2001. they all 6600000 articles, 1100000000 edits and over 300 languages. it's like who all the edits who are doing or if this work, just taking these fats festival and then most taken out 80 percent of the editors on wikipedia on mail. and that is why we're doing the show that is a gender gap. they send in equity, which was used in editing, who is being featured. i'd say we're going to look at some of the what the spring done to close that gap. so with us to talk about this in london, jessica wade. she is a physicist and research fellow at imperial college, london, how they dressed in baltimore in the west care with an s k executive director of the group out as munition i you that kierra names thing up for rosie stevenson.

good night for trustee of the with the media foundation, co founder of the which is project women in red. so good to have you over here. all right, so this is a major issue. it's really quite stock. guess what happened? why is it so many guy is who does that with a pdf, making decisions, blocking out who is important and then writing about them how they would get i think there's kind of 2 reasons. i mean, it's a fantastic issue and obviously for grateful that you've taken on. but i guess one massive issue is that society doesn't do enough to recognize and celebrate women. and the wikipedia is the general interest encyclopedia and content on wikipedia reflects the sites. so general interest is, society isn't doing enough to say there are amazing women, artists, or amazing women scientists or amazing women musicians. then the notes have been se

criteria on wikipedia. i'm going to reflect that that jen during that quickie. so one is, society is, is on a quote. and the other reason which you alluded to, and your demographics, if the audit is, is we just starting to have enough diversity of people contributing to wikipedia based around the time that we can p d. a started on the types of people who were online. most, you know, 20 plus years ago, we've got this huge demographic and balance, which means that we don't have enough diversity and not enough those editors who all the then not writing enough pages about extraordinary women searched by society so and what could be added to as well, yeah, oh goodness q a, you know this and you doing something about it. i'm just going to show one more step for our audience about how many biographies that are in terms of biographies of man and biographies of women. and again, this is, this is improved, this isn't a present from um, several years ago. it's go not from 15 percent to 90 percent,

but so slow. kyra, how do you speak this all? well, by working with the global community of information activities and just really kind of elaborating a little bit more of feedback. you know what dr. dr. just had to say, is it anybody it and it was a pedia which is very exciting. but also that is, it goes to another question in the questions of who has the resources to volunteer . we know that there's like a precarious labor asking people to volunteer places like the u. s. for volunteering is powerful, it might be one thing, but we also know that because of the pan down it went in. all my energy people bypass community has all been disproportionately impacted by the panic. so then when we get to who even have the ability to volunteer, that really kind of like makes what we're doing a little precarious in some ways. and so what we do, our vandalism, though, is we try to create

a community that really helps support each other in editing this huge trove of natural grows. what you're really doing is your creating history because we're not seeing this history, we're not seeing when it's contribution. and so what you want doing in was edit, white edit or citation by citation, is creating history that he's not being seen globally. how do you do that? right, i am so glad you brought that up because that's what we're doing. i don't think any of us said that to be history makers. yeah. we saw something we wanted to do and we just went ahead and did it. but by doing it, we've become these active us, and historians, i guess in our own right. and i kinda think of it i live in california, but i'm traveling right now, but i live in california in the old gold mining town from the california gold rush

. and i think about those minors facts and who are like mining for gold and that's what we're doing. we're mining for these notable women and making sure that their stories are told that they're exposed so that they don't just fall by the wayside. and the last history altogether, voltage issue is such a disruptor. it's not easy to do what you do, but just sit and deliberately pulling women who are important and then create like a pdf pages for them. i'm going to show something on my computer, which is truly stunning when we just think about it. and this is a headline from a few years ago female nobel prize when i think not important enough for with a p d a n tray. well, the watts dr. jess, what are the push backs that you get when you say this person's important? i've done my research is the page data. well, i mean, safe districts in this case is quite fascinating to districts and is the nobel

laureates in physics. and so, and you know, 2018 when the oscar came out, someone had attempted to create to work a p. d. a page about her, but they fail to find enough references, enough citations that proved to other wikipedia additives that don't district and professor don't district. and it's not about laurie. it was as new to the. busy she is so that was an in, out at an in other chrissy of wikipedia. it wasn't like a p d or is it looking huh. it was that fairly as a finding a citations and not really reflects societies ability to recognize and celebrate. huh. because most of enough places were covering has story, became enough enough. newspapers were covering things about how or no trace of how we're being listed. we couldn't find those citations to back it up. so that's one of the biggest challenges the ice age. as we can see, the editor and i know that kira and rosie will agree, then will send you have the sensational women. but to be on wikipedia, we need someone to a restaurant about them to have proof of them to have told that story somewhere

else. so we can fight it so we can build that encyclopedia entry. so what i really wish and was that science especially, started recognizing women's contribution. people have colors contribution. people from all the head start too much and nicely we need to be giving them awards. we need to be faxing about them on television and radio programs and say that when encyclopedias and historians want to document that contributions when classroom teachers want to talk about them. and they have those places to go to for knowledge . say that's one of my biggest challenges as a, as a advocate for women scientists, it's really finding those places that are honoring them. i am going to find out or answer what you want to do. it seems to be part of this conversation. we've got 4 examples. women of notices who still should have like a pdf pages. do let us know on youtube. i'm going to go to calories is on phelps. she has a pedia page. she is a american nuclear chemist. she thought it would be

a page. it's not that easy. she was on like a pdf and then it was quite difficult for her to stay here when you, she has story. can you come back at the end of it and say, what is going on? that was what is going on here. and then how's you do this, this basically starts between your own, you're off, your own, your own pace, clarice being added to a t p. it was actually really very exciting. i mean, it's one of the most popular places to learn about different people places the things. and so it was definitely an exciting moment for me. however, during the process of updating my page, it was taken down a number of times due to different editors. i was thinking that i wasn't eligible enough or that there wasn't enough sources in order to validate my page being up there. so as much as it was exciting, it was also

a little disconcerting to go through that process. yeah, unfortunately that experience is real and it goes a lot to really just build on the doctor just to say on the citations wikipedia works on the citations and if we as editors don't have enough to use, it can make it really challenging. and this is across all disciplines. i know that that was a scientist for another doctor. just work specifically with scientists. but even in talking about in the art world, if you look at dances, basic history of western art, which is kind of like the textbook for our history. only 8 percent of those $300.00 plus listed artist or women. and what's the one percent of them are women of color? and so we just really need to not only do better in terms of like getting more editors to put people from the margins on the computer. also,

we need the sources of something else that we've done. our timing isn't, uh, we actually did a white paper about looking at the reliable source guidelines. because when with the pedia was started back, you know, over 20 years ago, these reliable source guidelines were written and it doesn't include really, i mean we've evolved a little bit now, but there is debate now like what is a reliable source with what pod? cast, cow, asked reliable source, and those are all kind of pretty heated discussions and some pockets of the wiki for us on how we can get more of these patients to get more incredible people with the pdf raising what is a reliable sales as well, there's actually a policy that tells us what is a reliable source and every one of those $300.00 language would compete is and it varies the english language. we could p, this has one thing. and for example, sanskrit which pvm might say something altogether different about what's of reliable source. but basically i can tell you what isn't

a reliable source. things like social media, things like blog posts, with some exceptions, like the new york times blog posts would be considered acceptable. otherwise, we're looking at things like history, books, and textbooks. and as coverage is interviews that the media might do, those are considered reliable sources. other than that, it starts becoming if the doctor just how do you do it? how do you write the wikipedia entries and then feel comfortable that they're not going to have some push back and then they're going to be taken down or added to them or, or people who are not believing that these women are worthy of having a wiki page i mean, i guess it's, it's a johnny and it's a journey what you're going to find gold, which is what can we do there? you know, as far as you mentioned, you finding these incredible nuggets of information. i don't think we've done terry folks, justice,

but she is an extraordinary new kid. chemistry was part of the navy before she took this job in, in a big national lab in the states. and she worked on the discovery of an elements in the paradox table. and it's quite hard to discuss the elements in the peer to the table. she contributed to the discovery of the adam in tennessee. and this is one of these non naturally occurring elements. so you have to synthesize it in the lab and then be able to measure what you've synthesized and it doesn't list a very long search section because science an inquiry says, the fast black women to contribute to the discovery of an element independent table, they speak, she's the only nurse of, oh right. and but because the walls are and celebrate her know it's really hard to pre sides. and so i keep going. and because you find out tracks like that, you know, because you're in spite but they stories because i know to me dining about her makes me more excited to do the science that i do. i know say that when the wall blonds about her, you will have more young women or more young people or more parents or more

teachers will be excited about science. and i, i truly believe that, well, we keeps more scientists. and so i, i kind of just pull together as many citations as i can find. if i know that is a really exceptional pass and who isn't getting the credit they are due, then sometimes i nominate them for awards. sometimes i write to john less and i'm like you've got to cover that story and because they're not, she just makes it easier to write them. or it could be a page in a few months or years and say so sometimes it's a psycho right wikipedia. if you're on with the pdf, it's easier to put you forward and nominate you for something or for a journalist to find your story. and if someone finds your story, it's easier to put you on with the media. say sometimes you've got to go to break suckle a little bit and but yeah, i keep going because these people are exceptional that stories are inspiring to me and i want the whole world to find out about them raising. tell us about a person who i think does resonates with you or discovery when i say discovery because of the, the women already out there the,

the people who are not often written about that already that but to have them have that moment to, to have that language receive that allows to to receive a certain amount of credibility, who, which is 10 i audience about today. so that's actually a really hard question cuz i've written more than 2000 file graffiti, think about women. but let me, i love your humble brag of rosie. 70000 pick one. so i'm, i guess i'm going to pick someone called samantha lariche. she's a comics writer and she's french and why i'm going to pick her over the others that i might have used is that i tend to focus on women writers. bradley construed. she is a comics creator. she writes,

choose the art as she's the less trader. and she may actually do the lettering as well. and her article was already written in the french with the pdf. mm hm. there she is. but there was no article in the english wikipedia. and so what i've been doing since about january of this year is a lot of translations from one language, leslie to french or spanish, or tattling to english would compete it. and i decided to focus on comics creators like kind of like why not it? um that they should have their do i what my grand daughter, who's loves comics of various sorts to be able to see, hey there's not just these men's names or women's names that are americans. there's comics writers who live in argentina and live in france and live in spain. and maybe this will give her an idea that this is something she wants to do when she gets older. so that's why i'm going to pick samantha lariche. i love

that to you. i'm going to give you a little moment to have a think about when you would like to pay. but 1st we spoke to all the editors of like a pdf pages to awesome how challenging it was to do the what the site doing, which is, expands the number of women we don't just editing. but also i think chad, this is what they told us. what is the biggest challenges in writing about women for we could pedia is the way that women's contributions have been systematically downplayed and excluded from the historical record. making, writing a reliable and accurate encyclopedia entry about them, often impossible. we don't have enough female editors to write and we can video, we suffer of a deep gender got problem in the community. the main challenge for me and is read to me in nebraska is to understand what is a notable right friends in the arrows sense rig versus african perspective. because all of these and mainstream outlets or i'm not telling our

stories or when they are telling them they are not telling them in a right perspective, are sure it's hot. will you do is really hot. who would you like to just? yeah, go ahead. go ahead. yeah, no, it is, but it's exciting more because i feel like the, the work that we're doing is directly impactful. and so to answer your previous question, there's a couple names that i love to up list. so our companies and actually as i'm reading your 10 this year, which is very exciting. and we had our a 10 year celebration in houston uh in april actually. and so um, one of the names i want to uplift from that is the, our organizer there. jason oliver. he has a story of how he went to a top and realized that i'll be aware of. i don't have a page. she's the 1st black ph. d,

in our history from the university of texas. actually secure aid or at the fine arts in houston, and you want to talk real. i should have a page went home b one and then was able to, to tell her about it in person, which was like a very special moment. another page that was created, i don't remember the that is our i key, i'm sorry, a lot here as the me amazing. i'm sorry, i'm just saying it all wrong. and they are a non buying married i during fiction writer and video artist. and so their page was created actually by one of the co founders of our company as an ad and event. we have the museum of modern art. and that page has really expanded over time, which is also really exciting to kind of see a page that may have started out in our family, some of that. and then really grown over time. there's also been something that's really exciting to be a part of. i'm going to bring it and i can i yeah, please go ahead. they'll just say that the most amazing thing is the same. people

respond to the pages like, not just people who read them cuz you can get, we can pd it gives you access to all the information. so you can actually see how many page fees there are. if you look at the, the articles every single hour you know is quite extraordinary and fiduciary, how to kind of go to wells, responds to them. and that's an amazing mathematician that i write about co drive this west and she's, she was born in virginia. she went to a historically bought college and university study math. she works in the high school for a little bit before during the calculations to enable gps. so drive us west, made it possible for us to use satellite navigation in google maps and apple maps and everything like that that was grab a swift mess, let that happen. and i to how we can see the page on wikipedia. it's been translated into a bunch of languages and, but she's one of these huge awards. you know, she's over 90 now and, and she's, she's one and principal at midland price from the royal academy of engineering. and that's had been given to

a woman before. and then the highest if the price she was inducted to the us as so sort of fame. she was one of the bbc's top 100 women in the world. and it's, it's not because it's not because she's just done something remarkable. it's because the world's just non, she's done something remarkable. you know, because that story is on a platform, on an encyclopaedia that is trusted and used by everyone. because this place is the central goes to place the information, irrespective of your political background, irrespective of what you do as a profession, irrespective of your age or your nationality. everyone is on wikipedia. so if we make sure the stories a hair, if we make sure that we toe and credit women with that discoveries, you have a nice to have massive impacts. now what we're doing is dual editing with a pedia. but really, i'm seeing 3 digital historians who are making sure that history is being recorded properly. and with gender equity, i'm going to bringing one more week a pedia page, and that is julietta left to go. williams,

i'm just reading on wikipedia journalist, an entrepreneur. she spoke to us earlier about what it means to be on with a pdf and there's a box. let's have a nice so let's have a look. sort of giggled to myself quietly. there was no one else around. and then the 2nd thought i had was of this is really gonna impress my kids. and of course, that made me happy. but immediately after i felt a little sad because it was yet another reminder that women often have to be the ones we need. that if we want to have the recognition, if we want to have our work celebrated, if we want to gain any status for the work that we have already been doing, we are the ones that have to show up for ourselves. and so of course, i'm busy, we're all busy doing the work that we're supposed to be doing. and it would be amazing to count on just a plurality of people who contribute to wikipedia, to lift up the voices of people,

especially women who are doing the work. so i guess i've got 30 seconds left for each. if you in the next 10 years or so, rosie, we've got 90 percent of biographies who are women centers on wikipedia. when will that be 50 percent? i don't know that it separate. can it get to 50 percent women in red? it was co founded by a man and a woman and what makes our organization different is that we don't care what the ginger is. so this is a societal problem that we have so many fewer biographies about women. and we believe that all genders are welcome and encouraged to create these articles about these notable women when missing these articles from the anchor. so watch raise my push. i really appreciate that. talk to jess. what's the next with the pdf page that you're going to publish the out then?

what does it give us a quote on that sheet? oh, okay, fantastic. yeah, sure i'm, i'm, i'm working through some pages of people who became sellers and members of the american association for the advancement of science, and they're actually pretty great and celebrating women. and i'm ready. um, fantastic, excited about writing that stories out. so i'll be working through that. thank you . talk to jazz. thank you, kara. thank you, rosie, as well for, for being the digital historians, making sure the women are featured on with a pdf, one of the wells top websites. thanks so much and i'll see you next time take care of the

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