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fibers because they are dispossessed, we are not gonna allow it to continue any more. penny a former marine was questioned by police and released angering protesters who gathered outside the office of the manhattan district attorney investigating the case. we started demanding, he press charges, but more from our government. but not all new yorkers agree. i have face people like that myself and sometimes they tried to attack my wife. so you know, he was yelling at people, you never know what they're going to do. so i can judge the guy for doing what he does. new york's politicians are divided just looking at that video. you know what's wrong? no one has the right to take the life of another person. i have faith in the criminal justice system and i'm going to look the process takes place. former prosecutor john bandler says much more information is needed to determine if a crime has been committed. what did that person intend to do to that person intend to kill another human being? and if so, was it justified?
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questions that must be answered before any charges are filed. kristin salumi, l. g, 0, new york. well, that's all for me, told mccrae the stream is up next, but before we go, here's a look back at some of the highlights of the coordination of king charles this it the, the,
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struggling with p t. s the. the major plan to bomb amongst you will not believe what happened next. his stories told him to show documentary stranger at the game. when i 1st saw him, most of this something not right. what this guy was, let us assume to be that he was walking kind of fast as hey, was kind of down base and back and forth. i was hoping for at least $200.00 or more injured. you know, he thought he was doing the right thing or with muscles in his mind the, when i tell people this story, they tell me that they don't believe my, that calls my mom, the mother theresa and the missile community. and it's definitely true. i invited
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him over put on the help it except to mention feed from my heart is welcome the i couldn't never, in a 1000000 years pay this community what they've given me the . so we're going on a journey from hate to acceptance via kind. this joining us talk about the film, the people around me, president of the so that makes sense to us in muncie, in indiana, also in muncie, indiana, richard mac mckinney, he's a live coach and t hate actress. the public speaker, which is mckinney can i call you back. absolutely. all right, welcome back. and in new york, just to our staff tell who direct to the documentary says the v b map joshua. so great happening here. we have a youtube audience who are standing by with the comments ready to ask you
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a question. so they go youtube audience. you can jump in any time. we stop mac with a situation where you are planning to bomb, unless that's nearby to you. why over the years i developed a hatred uh for as well. um muslims. um it had it a basically just built and built over time to where i the only way that i saw of making any kind of concession on this was to eliminate as many of them is that good? mm hm. that's the, the thing for the top rails of somebody who sees of the pay for something different . when you say them, it's like those people know anything to do with you in the military. the way you could make sense, just the killing was told to buy a high off official like mac. this is how you have to think about it. and i want to
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share that movement in the documentary because it helps us understand what was mac . even think it's, have a look. i was in the military for a long time. around 25 years. towards the end of my military career. i was a totally different person. the fact of being involved, so many dis over. here's the crazy man. i don't even know the i probably would have been committed if they would actually know the way i was asked the one time i had a discussion di, ranking person, about coping to be streaming max on the range or she knew the paper target on issues and looked at them as anything but human. any problems can make
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sense. that's what i did. just the baby. do you remember the 1st time you met matt? what was your 1st impressions? oh, thank you. when i 1st met neck, i mean as a say or here look scary and concern. but in spite of that, i respectfully welcomed him and with kindness and respect and understood how he was a human and as we would have best home, i mean, what do you use? i know it's been a while that's a basic number. the dining room table escape scary things but but well, cuz we kind of like what we do the scary things. scary thing was doing in the mosque. i mean this was part of the palm, right? well actually me being in the mosque was not part of the plan. in order to i, i wanted
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a tangible evidence. i knew what i believed to be true to the fax. the thing was that i wanted to be able to, to show my daughter, even though she was going to lose her father. i wanted to show my daughter that see these people really are evil. and i went through the source. yeah. i'm joshua as you were trying to place this story together and tell this story for documentary form that moment why we seen mac. oh, we see that mike is casing the mosque and that is terrifying and for a long part of the document. and i think it's going to end in an awful way. did you do that deliberately? well we, we wanted to tell a story. ready he with some with things new kinds of heroes, heroes like like baby and like her,
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her husband solver. and we wanted to make a film that didn't just preach to the choir and you know, so many film, so many documentaries, even ones that i've made. and i think end up preaching to the choir and we wanted this film to be different. we wanted to, we want this film to, we want people to watch this film who maybe need to watch this film. need this message need to understand. i have a better understanding of, of muslims have a better understanding of their own biases and. ready so we told the story in a way that was, is very gripping and draws you in and hasn't almost a true crime. tell me what i'm saying. this is not going to end. well, don't show it for a long time. yeah, i mean we, we took around that. it's a, it's a true crime. yeah. story was without a crime. last guy. yeah.
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so yeah. so because i wasn't happy and you know it's, it's, it's a story about sky. no, i just felt that the best phone number that might have been nothing all the way for you. that's a little bit well why you know, doing as well. i mean, i totally agree with josh. so he did him and his team did such a wonderful job of piecing this together. and a lot of people have come up to me after they watch that. they says, oh my gosh, i was shop. yeah, i thought it was gonna add totally different twist. you know, and they had told me when i saw me being interviewed, they thought i was being interviewed. i was actually in blue cross and i thought you were in town and i was like, oh yeah, i got a reason how to don't forget access to prison. to talk to matt. i was, i was not a computer, so i'm like, wow, i yeah, i thought i thought you were in a lot of trouble disappearing. you also noting as joshua's type of how are you wanting to tell the story? yeah. yeah. i think uh,
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i think we were to assume the kind to him, we did not put him in jail. that's why he's not in jail. we will totally last verbal. so welcome, have this done for him and save his life, all right in our life now. so being that the members like yeah, i think of the job done was done by joshua, how would he percent? that's a documentary to me to watch it. and i know when i did interview, i'll give you a little bit of background on why i did it by the one i truly watch. i said this, the entropy who wants to read the story. and i would like to talk, this is a real thing. this is the profession that it was done in how he put these pieces together. and the student had happened in 2000 and mine. it was in the love he was working on in 2021. it's been a while, but very impressed how we did the intentionally did that it was amazing message. and i think that's what i, it's very dear to my heart because of the message how we shed this through
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documentary and how he organized it in a short 30 minutes. uh huh. yeah. so it was very much i passed into that 30 minutes . you feel like you've watched an entire feature film by the time you get to the end of it. there's a lot of tension in the documentary and there's a pop way. i'm not pulling anything for you because you have to watch. i mean, takes 30 minutes to one year as a pop way goes to the most because he is planning to do something awful. and he needs to tell his step daughter. he needs proof to tell his that feels like it's right. these people are living amongst us and i need to do something about it. have a listen, have a look at this part of the film that i need to be able to show approved. i need to be able to show the rest of the world. so i went to the islamic center to get the proof. i want, i want to be with these people because of i walk inside this building i might have
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come about so i walk in the building and all of a sudden it's like i felt my stomach tighten up. just i know i tried to keep my senses about me. i have very anxious. i didn't trust them. i, i considered myself. somebody is a uh, a future news story on out 0. by the end of the night, i figured they would have been in the basement with a sore demoss wrote a lot. you got your address here and live it fed. thanks way. it was a is a garage? yes. the walking into the last of looking into the most that was the moment that changed your life and probably a lot of people's lives in the most because that was the beginning of how kindness of a comes heights. so yeah, telephone. so, um,
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you know, when, when i went in there i was very, you know, i feel very an easy um and uh, i was met with open arms, smiles. how close you know. uh glad you could be here. and then, you know, one of the brothers gave me a come up to me and he handed me a cron. and he says, read this. come back when you have questions. and i was like, man, they give me the all the evidence. and they're going to explain it to me like this is great. yeah, yeah, at but, but as i was piecing the 2 together between how i was being treated and what was in the koran. my impression of islam was the people who had been shooting at me again and but when i came here and i started reading the scripture and
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knowing how religion works to where you're supposed to live your life according to the scriptures as closely as you can. well, i solve that in, muncie. i didn't see that overseas. so that tells me that obviously the people in muncie are actually a true a representation of what is what i'm really is. and it changed my whole perspective, you know, and that's when i started understanding that a more, more about human beings and they, they make the decisions they make. and the ways that they act, simply driven by greet joshua, who looking very thoughtful, articulate those thoughts, go ahead as well. i think that when mac went to the mosque, he had just had a big argument with his 8 year old daughter. and you know, she had yelled at him because he said something as long before, but he said something negative about muslims. and his 8 year old daughter
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confronted him and said like, what are you thinking like, what's wrong? what's wrong with you, dad? and that's when he went to the mosque was in the week of that argument because um, you know, he wanted to make sure he was right. that he, that his plan to bomb the boss was the right thing to do. and this little 8 year old had made him question his plans. and i think that when he went in there his, i think his guard was down a little bit. i think i think there was a tiny crack in his armor. there was a tiny, like opening for love to come in, and when he met b, b, and solver, and joe mo and the other members of the mosque. and they were so nice to him and, and so kind and welcoming that are kind of blew his mind, i think is he didn't know what to think. but he started to think like maybe i maybe i am wrong. maybe maybe i've got this whole thing wrong. and it was amazing moment where, you know,
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be through her kindness i think started to change his mind and melt away the hatred that he had in his heart. and she didn't even know. like maybe you didn't know anything about what his plans, what i did not as you know, i mean i would do the still, i knew on the i was less than the family that we always took at a stranger. my father also took care of the people as in the homeless and when i came across anybody, because i had to do that these you toys and taken care of. uh, i like to do and then my husband being a medical doctor, what can his office experiencing 2 things is due by the now we have dental with all cop walks of life and we have comforted all kinds of people throughout our life. and we have give them place in our home that have stayed with us for months and weeks to, to before we let them go and the same thing there. so when, when i did this was a man what asked for me to invite him over? nothing. i'm sitting on the table where he was sitting with us having
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a demo. and i think that also was part of the way of life for me, but it was a huge impact on math. and that just having welcomed him in the center, respectfully and then inviting him over to our house and she had a meeting with him and sit down and listen to his story. i don't think he had this kind of about express and i can send him being bought it and listen to me that something impacted him a lot. and then obviously continuously that was not only that thing. and we also give him a part of the leadership when i asked him to be the president, best time left him student association. and these are what are you supposed to do, but i don't know what i'm doing now. what do i want help you the same as out as a guy either. so yes, to figure out what is the what, how can he be had of the most the most? how is that possible? because what happened to you? not that there's
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a little bit between you going into the most being very unhappy with your muslim neighbors and then you became walked well, 1st of all, i became the president of the muslim students association and at boss ball state university. here in monte mac. uh, and that was shipped to it's in forgot to say that you'd, you'd be nice to be k muslim as well. yeah, i was getting into the well, yeah, i became a movie. so the 8 weeks comes in and he's asking my husband and the other people, i want to become list of them. and the husband say, now what are you talking about, mac, you know, you need to study more and get ready. now i can lift mike, talk about that. all right, go ahead. right? yeah, yeah. so, yeah, so that's an interesting story. so. so a to, to even go back to just
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a little bit. no one knew about this plan about my everybody that knew me knew i hated most, but nobody knew the extent of my hatred and nobody knew that i was planning to do anything. uh, my wife didn't even know until after the fact she knew when the f b i showed up at the house. i know that opened up a door and we'll get back to that. but when i went there, and finally, after all my studying and my, my conversations and, and i and all the, all the acquaintances i was touched. i was touched by the garage and, and i, i, i had to be a most, i, i just had to and i, it was funny because i went into the mosque on a, on a friday. and for juma, and i went up to the doctor and there was another brother. right now you're showing
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off, but g, but you went in surprise, right? yes, yeah. okay. yeah. so, so i was a, so i, i went up to solver and another brother. so uh and says, hey, i want to take chicago and they both, it was funny because they both looked at me and they both looked at each other. they looked back at me and they said, you know, they say you're not ready. you need to learn more, right, right, right, and i. and so i looked at them and said, well, then we all have a locked door. and they live both. both on was back at each other and both of them looked back at me and i said, all right, come on. yeah, sure, i'm like sister maybe if this was a movie, it will be on by leave of all the fact that it's real life is extraordinary. area we spoke to what's the football, but he's from the ask got american foundation, and there's a big a message to this film if they needed to be one. i don't think that needs to be one, but there is a big a message. and most of the land is on that big
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a method kits have a list and it's have a look kind. this does change. i think it kind of does change hatred to, to love to community, to connection and, and specifically stranger at the gate shows up in a really beautiful way. and i think it, it also, it also goes and challenges a lot of assumptions that many americans may have about islam and muslims. i think many americans, quote unquote news about is long and knows about muslims. but they have never to spend time and really get to know most of them. close up joshua, this is why you withdrawal to make this documentary, because where we are not just in america, but in the world right now, how to evaluate people. and you experienced it as a young boy as well. no. a is a phone. me is jeff is on the phone yet,
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but you you experienced being hated because of your jewish heritage of jewish background. so that's why you came to the field. that's what drew you to the field. what do you make of reaction? i mean, the reason we wanted to tell this story is because we felt like the story is needed right now. we felt that, you know, as you mentioned, that this is a moment of great division in our country, and that's how you know, it's not often that we come across a story about a would be a crime that turns into a happy ending that turns into above that shows the power of kindness, the kindness that love conquers, hate me and i was so. ready drawn to this story and to the actions of the, the congregants at the islamic center, muncie, phoebe and solver and joe,
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and everybody in what they did that the way they welcomed mac into their congregation and the way that they treated him with kindness. and it literally saved a lives and i can't think of a better way to convey the, the power of kindness. then with the story. and it's something, it's something we, i think we can all learn from it. so it's something we need to remember that being kind to others, especially people, we don't know, are people that we might have preconceived notions about that that can be incredibly powerful, right? and i think that it's, it's a less than we all need to remember. right now as we sort of live in this time where we don't really talk to, um, we don't always talk to people that have different opinions than we do. we sometimes don't talk to people who vote for different the political candidate. then we then we did. yeah. and like that's very troubling to me and i think what
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b b has shown and then through her actions is the power of talking to she didn't need to talk to mack, you know, like, she knew he was different than her. she was even scared of him, but yeah, she also saw him as a human being. and i think that's just something we need to remember and to be to be like the, uh, you know, yeah i maybe i'm right or a sign of that. yeah. and treat others, treat others as humans, and to try to find that common ground. and that's what, that's what struck me so much about the story and what b b and then the congregants did in muncie. so strange, okay, has been nominated for an oscar and i just want to show the moment where joshua and his production team were waiting for the oscar nominations to come through and they were quite excited. it's let me just show you what it looked like again. and they were just waiting and then you have to tell them when they find out that
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they were nominated. oh yes. oh. so one of the executive produces of strange at the gate is milan like you stop by and she says, have a look here to believe that people can change and to be willing to change ourselves is our best hope for a back to weld. i've spoken so much about this film, it's only 13 minutes and it's available right now. so i'm just going to click so you can see why you can see it w w w dot stranger at the gate dot com, just below the title. watch the film here and you can watch it, and i guarantee you won't be disappointed. now if you know anything about is um, you know, that way of coming to the end of the whole amount of ramadan. and then there's an amazing bobby and festivities on. it's amazing and extraordinary. i want to point out you with wish your fellow muslims around the world in a sentence this the b, b and in
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a sentence max is to be the 1st one sentence. i would like, i would like all my fellow of friends, a human being families and muslim brothers and sisters. thank take to wish them a happy and peaceful holidays. okay. and they sometimes a much much okay, you're a message. yes. to all the muslim brothers and sisters around the world as, as well as the rest of humanity, peace blessings, and know that tomorrow it is a chance to be better. thank you, matt. thanks. he seems to be the thank you joshua. i see you next time. take everybody the on
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