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a trumpet restrictions introducing the pun, demik lifted, the volume administration is replacing them with strict measures. well, impact tools like have and how did they differ from trumps policy? this is inside the hello and welcome to the program. i mean, we're on co and many thousands of migrants from far and wide are trying to reach the us, installed a better life as among the obstacles of the mexican buddha or stretches of a wall built during the trump presidency new immigration restrictions from the bottom administration represent a fresh obstacle replacing trumps upon demik error measures. critics, a new system makes it tougher for us on them. so you cuz but suppose to say it's a fair right yet robust approach. so how to donald trump and joe biden,

def on immigration, and what's the effect on those playing poverty or was trying to enter the us? we'll be hearing the all goes wrong, guess in a few moments, but 1st, this report from locals. i'm sure he's a desperate attempt to reach the united states at the folder with mexico, and you're not on the head of a deadline ending pandemic erode restrictions. tens of thousands of people from latin america slope to the border of the rio grande river across from texas. you racing to enter the us before stringent rules came into effect on friday. motor told the said the number of people called crossing the top 10000 the day this week, the adult of the setting, everything you had to get here. how can you go back empty handed? we need to wait yet in mexico in order to cross and equally to the united states. government, the us is wanting. anyone who tries to enter without approval will be deported. our

borders are not open. people who cross our border unlawfully and without a legal basis to remain will be pro, promptly processed and removed the rules introduced by donald trump's administration known as titan 42 had been in place since 2020. the aim took up the spread of coal with 19 and allowed us to expelled 2700000 migrants refugees and asylum seekers in 3 years. but they had no legal consequences, allowing people to try again and again, filled with a strict, a new policy left to another search across the border and green republicans. this is deliberate. this is a decision that was made by president joe biden and comma le harris and congressional democrats to open up the border to what is nothing less than an

invasion rights group. so criticizing the us for denying, refused to people think conflict and desperate circumstances. many come from venezuela, nicaragua, cuba and haiti area. we still don't understand title 42. we don't know how it's going to be. maybe it's easier to enter here, or maybe it's more complicated honestly beyond certain, we are here and we do not know what will happen. hopefully it will be easier for us . roughly 11000000 undocumented my friends live in the us, which has failed to approve comprehensive integration group phones for decades on the consumption leave for inside story. the that's bringing out guess in old bridge, new jersey, richard. good staying a democratic political consultant and former advisor to president bill clinton and vice president. i'll go into so in arizona, alex miller,

director of the immigration justice campaign at the american immigration council, a non profit advocacy group, and in washington dc, adolfo frank k, a republican strategist and former official, the latin american and caribbean bureau of the us agency for international development, a warm welcome to your like, start with richard. good stain 1st. richard title $42.00 has come to an end to that was very severe. restrictions on migration during the pandemic brought to him by president donald trump. we've got a new policy now growing by president joe biden, substantially, what's different? well, joe biden is trying to do something that presidents have been trying to do for decades . and their hands strong by the fact that congress refuses to. that's comprehensive immigration reform. um, let me just say one thing about what he's not doing. remember the republicans,

donald trump, particularly called for a muslim band. and he said that the only christians should be allowed in as immigrants a separated children from their parents as a way to penalize immigrants with joe biden is trying to do is both. oh, you main approach and an approach that recognizes that there's a reason that we'll seek asylum in the united states. so last night they issued a very strong statement saying that there is a right way and a wrong way to try to seek entry. and if you go the wrong way, for at least a 5 year minimum, you will not be considered for entry into united states no matter what. but by the same token, there is a recognition that there is a shortage of workers in united states in health care on farms in child care, in restaurant. and we need actually hardworking people in the united states who come through legally. so joe biden is trying to kind of walk that line between

doing something that recognizes the united states as a country of immigrants, but trying not to can convey the message which he did quite loudly last night. that the border is not open. the people should not give into what smugglers want to do um and should go through a legal asylum seek method and that's it. alex miller, the words humane approach of been use that by richard. good saying we've heard that from democrats quite a lot. we've also heard that this is the correct way of doing it is biden's policy, a reasonable policy? a memory is not quite in the same. i understand that the binding ministration is trying to really challenging with his hands tied behind his back in a certain way. but when the announcement of the new asylum transit then yesterday, we're taking the stuff to far videos to difficult and thread with this transit. the news is that asylum seekers at the border will see rebuttal,

presumption that they do not qualify for a file unless they seem to asylums with incredibly narrow means using a stone app called cdc one which is difficult to use and has limited spaces or if they 1st, yes, i live in a transit country. what this will be the packet is that people with both sides. your claims may be more terms in their countries of origin, despite the real risk of persecution. and that's not where we want to land. adolfo franco, the floodgates were open now. right? so that's truly what you think, correct? to tell why? oh, the plugins up and open because of the disasters, policies this administration. and your guest, alex sort of alluded to the fact that the, this, the ministration is now at the very last hour for political reasons, because of the crisis they created have now reverted in part to the policies of the previous administration. that, of course, we're working. ben tactically and brilliantly on the border, but there are

a couple of things that need correction here. there has never been the want to be clear on this network, particularly a muslim band. there has been was a band, the president trump trump tried to pull that to for a period of time to ban immigration from countries that were at a high terrace, less some of those countries route, primarily muslim countries. it was never a muslim band. that's just false. for the 1st time, anyone can look that up and see it. the number one, number 2, the policies of the trumpet administration were worked out with mexico. a remain in mexico policy, which this administration is trying to do again to bring about an early system that people could have their claims adjudicated, but a very strict order policy of legal make. my migration only you heard to your, to guess, allude to 2 different things here, and this is our contradictions,

richard, mention the real reality, which is people flooding into the country for economic reasons. if you're wrench restaurants, workers, and so forth, and then say this, but somehow alluded to that somehow. that's ok to have lots of people coming to the country without being vetted from all over the world. by the way, not just central america, mexico. alex is referring to the asylum case, but we know the reality of a lawyer or words that in our case use all of my life ahead of the latin america bureau was on the border you numerous times. the vast, vast majority is what richard alluded to. these are, i cannot make refugees, people's trying to come to the country because they want a better nice. there is a need. there's a labor ability here. very, very few people under our law as a lawyer, i can tell you, qualify for political asylum and united states, they have to have prostitution. doesn't mean high, doesn't mean a bad standard of living, right. so. busy the reality is, uh for 2 or 3 years we had went blank and opened border policy in effect by the

reversal for the effective policies. now at the last minute, some of these policies, again, are be input trying to be implemented. but it's going to be very difficult as you have 10 to 12000 people now projected to come across the board on a daily basis. so the system will be flooded. what does that mean? people will be given there will be paroled and us law. that means people will be allowed and just i don't think anybody that us some very interesting points incorporated into the will never show up. well i, let's put this to richard goldstein. richard, you've heard what adults has been saying. your policy just doesn't go far enough. as well, again, let's be clear, go back, don't take my word for it. google will show you that there were many, not just donald trump, many republican candidates that called for a muslim band when they were running for president in 20152016 ultimately faced

with the reality wants donald trump one he, he didn't limit that, but it is heart of hearts. he said quite clearly, he wanted a muslim band. so let's not kid ourselves about that. and, and he did because what he and his allies were republican allies said, is the immigrants make united states dirtier and poor? that's the way they look at the world. i know i don't think these people who would help the job scene in the united states are doing it for nomic reasons. that's not why they're they may there people who are fleeing gangs of mothers and fathers were told unless your children alive with our gaggs, we will kill you. and then you tell me what that is. i sounds like something that i would certainly want to flee if i had the opportunity and if it meant walking thousands of miles to desert and heat to do it sounds like the alternative is much

worse. so again, i think i, it is turned back 1500000 people have been deported. that's not binds number. that's border patrol officials saying that. so tell them that the border is open. they didn't see it that way. i like tell me that i don't know if i, if so, sorry one second, but my, my, my leave when her name was involved here. my, my name was invoked here. okay. well, let you get it all. i have to say just a couple of things. uh, let me pick up 1st and good as point about the muslim black band. first of all, i've never use google as an authority for anything. and much less for something serious is this. uh, there is never been in muslim band. there will never be of most of mine, and if there's anybody that's pro error in the region as president trump, the abraham records i just returned from the region from manager of ambridge leaves

and nicely popular saudi arabia, president by didn't call that a pariah state. an attacking the saw, these are our allies president trump is, is the most pro muslim pro error president we ever had and then the one in the region can tell you that. okay, i don't forget i both. i am going to the question, well, if i can, but again, very quickly and what do these allegations that were made about you about the policies and so forth. first, you can have it both ways. richard, you just said earlier that people were coming here to work at restaurants. now you're talking about persecution. let me be clear under our law times in games, and b or other of those things are not a basis for political asylum. this is not political persecution. i'm a lawyer, i work these issues. it just these people do not qualify. it's a horrible situation, economically and crime, but just fleeing because you have a high finally in mexico or central america is not a basis in and of itself

a political asylum. everyone in america knows these are economic refugees. a very young i'm going to step to get is i'm going to stop you there because i want to bring in alex miller. alex, what you've heard from both of, i guess right now is essentially the debate in america over immigration in kind of a nut shell for somebody like you who works. and advocacy is going to be frustrating when you call move the needle on either side because of the opinions of both sides. yeah, i mean, this is incredibly frustrating. of course, this is a difficult time, but i think we need to take a look at the fundamental principles standing behind a firewall. and we can only look at doing a lot. we're talking about exclusion and endorsement will also be in our constitutional box in access to due process. it means having

a real wage defender plays your rights in american works and it's all is right. not every asylum seeker, it will ultimately succeed in their claims that they have a right to do work with that. and also to, to the other point about whether people are we'll persecution or not. asylum is not only for the full fears, is the people sleep persecution based on their nationality, on their rates, on their religious beliefs, or people that are members of a regular social like the teaching community. and those individuals are facing real harm and are often returned. sometimes to their that despite our asylum procedures asylum, it is feeling certain people. i want to talk about the politics of this right now because we managed to swing into this. let's explore that. richard goods, now we're bringing this app is very rarely a sensible discussion, particularly in the run up to an election on immigration issues. it is

a whole button issue and something that you know, people lose elections on. there's no real winner in the like in the immigration debate. right. so no one actually wins this to the united states when, if congress has, if congress is able to pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill, which the united states senate with $68.00 centers, including noted communists like lindsey graham and marco rubio, supported in 2013. this was a bill $46000000000.00 in border security and took care of the dreamers children that came into the united states with their parents and who grown up here and other ways basically based up the immigration processing night states. when people talk about we need immigration with one that bill passed with a get a very strong bi partisan majority. i wouldn't pass the house of representatives,

but the republican speaker at the time refused to allow it to be considered. republicans want this as an issue. they don't want this resolved. they, they want the issue because they think it lights a fire under their right wing anti immigrant bates. okay. that's why they don't want it resolved. the american public wants to things they want security and they want humanity. they want to process for people who have genuine asylum claims to be heard. the republicans don't want that. they, they only want to focus on these bad people coming in, alex, i'm going to comes here and in front of the adult side, this is a hot button. issue that the republicans need to win. what do you think of that? oh, well, let me, let me do a little bit of a reality check here because i'm a, 1st of all, the only comprehensive or large immigration reform ever done in recent history was done under president reagan, the 19 age. the bill that that bridge was referring to was a bush administration issue at the end of the bush administration by president bush

. i worked on it a secretary carlos gutierrez, worked on it. i'll tell you who bought it against senator rock obama. that's a word against that bill. that rich is making a reference to what president obama was elected. he was president of the times already know how he was present on the 23rd 11? no, i, i, richard. richard. i didn't interrupt you. rock obama. senator obama voted against the bill that richard is referring to in 2008 when he was elected president. and he had a super majority of 60 enough to not have a filibuster in the senate. he promised. and alex will tell you this. immigration reform is a priority in his 1st 2 years when he had super majority. he looked at not to do that. they focused on healthcare and later mentioned and agreed on spanish television, which i do that. yes, he broke his prize. so if anybody doesn't want the reforms, he referred to senator graham to senator rubio,

just senator mccain who i worked for. all of these individuals were pushing immigration reform. that is the reality. she, we are from a pro emigration pilot, a party pro legal immigration. lastly, to earlier point, to alex's point, the fact of the matter is, she's right. there are cases where if you're nationality, you're persecuted for this. if you're persecuted because you remember, minority grew j, right? to solve for this is these people are entitled to an asylum hearing, but there are 2 things that the viewers need to understand. first of all, that's a menace fuel number of the economic refugees that are coming into the country and every american knows it. secondly, unfortunately they're getting in the system. hundreds of thousands of people trying to enter the country. they're overwhelmed, they're getting court dates in the future for deeper asylum or other reasons. and then they just go to the shadows and that they never show up. and they become illegal immigrants of the country, which is a travesty, horribly for them. that is the reality of america today. and it is not

a republican problem. it is a bi partisan problem. i'll recognize that. but the only true initiatives of abuse in history have been driven by the republican presidents and senators alex miller. it's such a whole button issue. everybody talks about this, but here we are on both sides blaming each other for this. what's the most frustrating thing for you when you're trying to speak to politicians, trying to get them to push through legislation? is it a bypass? and the issue is a republican issue that democrats issue what, what is it for you? this is an issue for every american. it extends beyond tardy, beyond democrat, beyond republican, it's a, it's a human issue. and we need to try to find out what the, what we're looking for solutions. i think there's a fundamental question about, what does it look like to succeed in immigration, or are we trying to exclude as many people as possible, is that where we find are when i would say that the goal is actually to create

a system that expeditiously support people to seek asylum while maintaining their access to due process, ensuring that they have access to counsel and also creating the pathways for individuals to come here outside of the framework of asylum. but i think it is important to remember, you know, people flew around around the world, illegal immigration really broadly is lat whole to seek asylum regardless of your manner of entry. and it was that are you know, zina so been rhetoric and throwing asylum seekers under the boss, we need to make sure that we're protecting those needs tomorrow. for alex alex the is illegal immigration, the is economics migrations. all of these things exist when i was hoping really about asylum seekers. hey we, what, what richard, what adults are, frankly, with the democrats and republicans really actually mean when they told by immigration is this kind of a legal,

economic migration that's always going to happen. but how do you deal with that reasonable? i mean, it's an incredibly challenging issue, but like we were talking about earlier, there are economic needs in this country, there is a need for labor and so beyond the asylum problem, beyond the tensions at the water finding realistic law pathways for, for migrants to come here economic reasons is also part of the solution. richard gets there, the economic, illegal migration, which is what the republicans really mean when they talk about people flooding arguments well into our country. then democrats starting ever seemed to have a winning argument, a bias of failure, a policy, right? i would disagree and here's exhibit a in 2018 of uh, fox news. and the republicans talked about this carol, then you recall it, i'm sure um that was people streaming through mexico about to flood into united

states. and guess what happened? the democrats won an over whelming victory in the mid term elections in 2018 because most people, again, the right wing, anti immigrant base of the life of the republicans each that stuff up. but everybody else is nauseated by that because they. yeah. and that there are multiple ways to deal with immigration and scaring people about immigrants is not a winning strategy. that's not, that's not fair. it's not what people want to hear. most open minded people understand that this is multifaceted and there's both a security element. and there's an element about recognizing legitimate asylum claims. so i disagree with the premises. this in somehow a winning issue, just like take you want democracy. that's a republicans loved to undermine democracy. trump, people do. most people are turned off by the end of their turned off by this the

academic grants as well. and also frank, how you say, can you head to tell me why we got to the democracy, that the president who is, is waving all kinds of a waiver on his panel with executive orders. and it has been beaten back by the courts, including on immigration, by the way, by the florida courts this week on his policy. i'm trying to release people. so we'll, we'll see, we'll see about democracy as implemented by our president, by the going to, the, to the other. uh, the issue. uh, okay, uh, richard uh, continue with these policies. the polls indicate something very differently. they indicate that 72 percent of the american people oppose ah, the immigration policies of visit ministration and rank, the border of insecurity is very high. i completely agree with alex that the need that we need workers here and, and an orderly system. but you have to secure the border 1st, you have to have sovereignty. you have to have

a border security policy. that makes sense. we don't have that. the president is now dispatching 1500 troops. federal troops, something democrats, uh, uh, criticized president trump. uh, per suggesting, and now they're doing that and i understand adding more, you know, i live in washington dc of a lot of friends at the white house. and i can tell you this president by the in private. and this has been ported as well as part, is furious over what has happened in the border. he does not view it as richard that this is, you know, just this is fine. the american people are level of head of the american people are concerned about what is turning into an uncontrollable situation. we haven't had declared this week emergencies emergencies throughout the united states in cities, including democratic control studies, and not just in texas as far away as illinois because of this border crisis. president biden referred to it 2 days ago at adult. hey,

you're all running out of time. i want to know those are here's, we're sorry. we already got talking when it comes to alex miller. there is fear mongering, and it is on both sides of the divide. fame wondering is the one thing that stops a sensible conversation happening on immigration. how do you go over that? i think it's really hard, you know, at touch with all points, you know, find this facing center from both sides. um and part of that is because at the same time that is creating and implementing a uh, incredibly exclusionary policies like this asylum transit then like the plans to increase expedited removal and cvt custody without adequate access to counsel. he's also creating. ringback local pathways and trying to get in front of this information that organize transnational groups or do they encourage folks to come here? i would encourage people to, to try to look at the end of the think about my friends at the board. not as you

know, numbers not as this way, but as individuals of personal stories you deserve to have an opportunity to tell them and deserve and opportunity to see protection. i've been working at the border for, for over 4 years now. and the types of stories i heard are, are absolutely heard really not just the stories from, from people, countries of origin where they're coming from. but also the stories of people forced to lay indefinitely at the work. and then what i know for sure is we can use policies that are actually the agents of payoff like title forwarding to as a solution for k off title 42 has not been effective. title for into continuing on indefinitely, is not a solution. we need a meaningful way for people to be able to seek asylum, of course, and be on the work to think about alternate solutions for long pathways, for people to come to the united states. you don't have to raise questions. i wanna think, oh, i guess richard good stain,

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