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and another warning more than a 100. thousands of its children are in danger of salvation. poverty and gun violence on the stabilizing the country. so what's being done to help with people? this is inside story, the hello and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. hazy is descending into a deepening crisis with no less help for its long suffering. people senior un official to say political instability gone, war 5 poverty and the impact to recent natural disasters like us cliques, have left his people in dire need of help. government appeals, international ministry support of logic on, on onset mothers, lynching of kidnappings have increased. so it kind of hazy off a hoops,

so it's people, i'm also is the international community doing to help. he'll be asking all guess, these other questions and just a few moments, but 1st, so as of a report from hayes, he's cause else on what life is like for people that i'm here in the neighborhood of bel air in the capital of haiti for to prince this area has been caught in between fights between rival gangs, houses like the one where i am right now have been set on fire in those fights. people have to flee. this part of the city for the others were here. i'm told that at least 12 people died in this house. you can see some remains all around this area. haiti is in k was right now. around 80 percent of the capital has been taken over by gangs, and they're expanding to other parts of the country. since the assassination of president joined in maurice in 2021, the number of massacres of killings of kidnappings have been on the rise. and

that's why the interim from minister has been requesting help for the international community. there's a non elected non function in governments in haiti right now. the united nations high commissioner for human rights is saying that a special force should be sent in to help the government fight against the gangs. however, this is not tennessee tech, especially with the history of forces deployed in k 2 right now. half of the population is in desperate need of assistance, but because of the assistance, a distribution is extremely difficult. and the united nations children find this thing that over 100000 children could die because of lack of food in this country. in the past few weeks, we have seen the beginning of a movement here that is known as white color. where is basically people taking matters into their own hands. we have seen lynchings of alleged gang members less gang members being set on fire on the streets and the violence prevails with people here. the ones that we have been talking to are saying that they are desperate so

it's for stability. they're concerned about their children's future and those who have left this area because of the violence desperate to come back. very simple for inside story important prince as well. before we get to the discussion, let's just take a closer look at some of haiti's problems. so many decades that people have suffered cycles of violence, political instability, and humanitarian crises. in security west send off the president driven illinois was assassinated in 2021 games. now control much of the capital port or prince hazy is the winning from devastation caused by an us quake. in 2010 a color outbreak followed with the resurgence last year and a half of the 11000000 population is in need of a to move and a 100000 children are at risk of salvation. the fact that prime minister ariel on res appeals international help including military support. i've received little

response presidential unparliamentary elections when last held in 2016 and have since been postponed several times. but let's bring in august now and, and put a prints how'd isaac an independent journalist who's reported extensively on hazy and washington dc, usually a show executive director of the ceiling. my pull a faith based organization. she's also host and executive producer of can be lucky . that's a radio show in hazy, also in the ports of plants, joseph rocha and political consultant and fond of nap. so that's a useful organization for amazing, the development and democratization of hate. see if i will welcome to all of you as joseph. can you stop by giving us just a little bit more of an idea of what life is like for people living under the control of games we're talking about some 80 percent of the caps or poor footprints

the oh, thank you a lot for these to be based on what i can said, but what now is the people just do not believe because the state does not exist. all the people control what? now, i'm not the space. these are only the gains. and i think why here shouldn't people calling raul specially and part of was these really hall holding? surely the facts on the line will be concrete. because this taurus is so high, be almost all vision. and i think it is in this summer, there is no lights, we're not going to be you cannot move. everybody has to stay at home. this is a situation that they shouldn't be go all the way. no. oh, go all the over the last 2 weeks. there is

a movement in your met aside just because the joint always um, which is called what kind of a people are backing people already funding to dance. and to some extent this house and we just did not being and the people on not in security. what i think they would say they are less trust in the going to the go. the games tend not to do being or did not mean people on the road to ring, let's say, or on the last week or 2 for 2 years. okay, i want to talk a little bit more about the vigilance wisdom that's being on the rise, the in the capital in just a moment. festival. how old could you just tell us little bit more about the extreme levels of violence that people are confronted with every single day. talking about some 20 incidence of whether it's ready for homicide or limit single

kidnapping. some 20 every single day of this. yeah, that's extraordinary. well, he essentially, for the past 2 years, there's been a hyphen level of gang violence, which has, which has translated into uh, you know, uh rapes, uh, ginger base mileage, uh, kidnappings massacres. um and you know, it's been a reality, a daily reality for a lot of folks here. um, especially in the metropolitan area of puerto plans, where nearly $200.00 tanks are operating and covering nearly 80 percent of the capital are using any of these, these $200.00 times. they operate with impunity. the you and says the violence is, it was a levels. how did they get to be so powerful? well, they're essentially to, uh, confidence to, uh, to, to gain file is there is a pure criminality where they are, you know, performing extortion kidnappings and, and, and trying to, you know,

get as much money as possible on one hand. and there's also a political lot pumping into it where they are essentially tools to uh, you know, uh, crooked politicians or trying to secure boats or control electrical, uh, folks, uh, in, in key popular areas using e o. u. some way of doing that in washington. d. c, do you see the gains as been the problem or do you see them being a symptom of the problem because of the guidelines themselves? i mean, they've told i'll just there when we've interviewed them in the past that it's not gotten bonded, is that the problem is corruption at the political level. let's close this situation and thank you for having me. i believe the scituate, the game is just part of the problem, but the issues that we are facing and he is a very complex corruption, is at the root of the problem. the games would not be the, had our politician not to utilize them and doing it after world champions to help

to walk individuals to vote in their favors. and you have seen over the past 12 years with the reading of the p. s to got political party was being power went up through the parliament. so the president sees administers, they have not responded to the amended that the people who did them in power for the games on there because they are being supported by certain members of our economic elite to protect their values. areas and our politicians are also profiting from having these, against their diesel, young men and women who becomes a victim to the corrupt system. and lack of development in, in the country. i think had we had a governments who are responsible, who utilizes the public funds to create has to be to be a better schools, roads, and to create innovations for these young bands. to find jobs,

they would have channeled their energy use elsewhere instead of terrorizing the populations, the weapons that they are utilizing as a weapons that are being purchased abroad. we in haiti, we do not produce guns and we do not produce bullets either. there was a report put out not too long ago by the u. n. v o c y d show that the trellis of weapons coming into handy to bunch of videos that are coming from the united states . and i think the us um, planning as being a friend. okay. and also leading the campaign to get multinational forces in the country can begin by putting a stop to the flow of weapons that's coming from their country to enter our store. okay. it's just that just before we get onto into that so and events and again, i want to just continue addressing the situation in hazy because it is a country that's got no problem. and hardly any legislation is no press. the prime minister himself is considered in the just so much by many the gains may have

political power, but have a overtaking the politicians in power because it doesn't seem to be any proper leadership that important prints. there is uh, a cleo young young girl with a pretty coalition. what is not a government there is, there is no dividend. ha, never, we have every ecology, particularly economy getting. so if it does, it does not any guy does not have any kind of the leads. why don't we have respect is exactly what he's under, where you, what now of what he has the jump in and why? why is it that has never been a political elite and hazy ok, i think we all never talked is what are you going to need based on what i call the property? all but it shouldn't be both when i called the action. so the people you

not an act together, i think it is the main level of the country and also berries and all that explanation, the fact that patient people, especially those will have to be called the end of the concrete. not how the, the, the, the mean dot edu. okay. um the leading heating. awful lot of people thing dogs. you on that try being yeah, from who got i think right now we have one cedar. i'll sell the patients right in the garden that we have believe in the caribbean and the roll relations. what are you going to jump on the company is that you with the one? i think these are the main factors, splitting the income, possibly all. what is the question in the okay, the, let me just jump in the use any as responds because i, i didn't see quite a response. so when, when you said that people in hate to come out to unite,

to leave the country, a huge any of what, what do you mean? what are you thinking that i differ with that, but patient populations can unite is, is that the international meddling in our political affairs has been debt to mental to the process. because most of the time, i mean, we can take the montana accord. for example, day golfing, and that is a lot of people to put together in a court, but the court did not satisfy the needs of what the us and other and uh at countries was seeking. and in response to this, i hate, you know, having a political elite, the current like political leads. what many calls the mostly we compliment to ellipse and he monopolized the political system. they are the ones who hold the customs a high speech. they are the one who placed the ministers at each different branch of government. they are the ones who decide what type of budget is going to get passed and how much money is going to get allocated even if the parliament were attempting. actually, it was never use himself pointed that out,

doing one of these speech before they brutally assassinated him, the elite and he cheap use hated as a ground to duck their products to collect money from the haitian people. but the have not invested socially into the developments of he had the haitian leaks had some sort of the whole integrity had, gave me taken responsibility to even go so far as paying the tax dollars. we will have enough money to keep the country going. if you look at our watch, that will be in control by the patient elite, the amount of money we are losing at the port could be enough money for us to substance out on the haitian national police and the okay, let me just bring in the harold at this point because it got to by different ideas as. busy to why democracy. busy is failing at the top levels of hazy, we've got instructional meddling being brought up corruption of the elite,

the people being, i'm unable to reach consensus held. what's your opinion? well, he has been, uh, you know, uh, the object of many sort of interventions from the international community and to, you know, just some expense, could be considered kind of a laboratory where, you know, a lot of, of, of interventions have been, i've been done, but i think that as of late the, the approach i'd be publicly of the international community has been to have what do you call, you know, a haitian lead solution into the side of the extent. uh, it's starting to mid to, to kind of uh, articulated today. 80 units isn't us, are real situation at least uh, facing it's institutional avoid you having international community. uh, you know, maybe lead by canada saying they're going to be supporting the haitian national police by crooked by, you know, transporting cation purchased armor, vehicle and training, you know, police officers,

and someone in the last 3 weeks. what you've seen is essentially, you know, the population taking the matter in his own hands with the work of a movement and propelling us really in the new guy mentioned that you know, is, you know, for the most part on chartered territory. absolutely. uh and joseph rise and vigilance his and that you mentioned before, people losing the fear of gang violence, but also news and all face in the will far as he's being able to contain them. does this wise and individualize as i'm concerned you? yes, i yeah. i am concerned with that because um this movement i think for not for me because that point, i think it's cool. but the problem is the only it um if function which will be uh, in the mid term. the problem is just replacing the problem by end of the apartment

before this moment. if you had the she, i think this one solve the problem is that we, we had in the ninety's as see the movement. which off sort of the insecurity problem for these moments how, what it is is we don't need or she end up. we don't the appointments there weapons when people lynch rang gang members leaders lynch. the weapons that are taken from them. we have been what now we don't. so i'm very concerned with the movement just because you have none of your issue. okay. and usually it, let's move on to this idea of an international specialized armed force. the problem

is, the only is called for it's got the backing of the us, i'm the you when nothing seems to have happened about it. no one country seems to want to lead it. do you think it's a good idea? i think before i answer your questions for international in physician, so i want to speak to the issue vigilante. what is happening and he, i wouldn't consider the fidget on to you right here in the united states. we have the stand your ground laws that is legal of what people have the ability to defend their home if they feel that they are being threatened for years that the haitian population sides being terrorized, their childrens are being wait. there. trojans are being shipped not they are burned, they bought tortures at the hands of those getting leaders, whether the previous government undercurrent defective by administer as not lift the hands of done nothing to help result the challenge. so the haitian population has the responsibility and should also utilize their why to spend the grounds in

defending themselves from being terrorized by gain leaders who are being provided weapons by our members of the government and different political fact has been our he cannot make factors. it's been long that they've been held hostage in their house and it's been long that they are being deprived of the economic resources. nobody has to nothing deleted the current. what kind of a does not need to lead to by putting a media forward. receptive put somebody forward for the international community or the haitian, really to purchase the power ability to break it down. haitians move to give responsibility to clean the country up to michigan. we don't need an international interventions. what we had through from 1915, the ellipse, and he calls but international interventions. look at where we are today. 2004 the you weren't given to he do you want is still in here, you d as we speak, it is not fully nearly to arise, but they are still in the country. the justice system has not received any

assistance. the military emissions we had and he knew for years did not provide any structural um, structured for us. there was no school bill there will know brother bill the amount of money that being invested in having billy joel forces on the ground does not support hazy. we all know that the holland with the camcorder weapon demik, well over 820000 people way impacted. 10000 people died as a result of it, we are left behind with a lot of smaller just children. these fatherless children are children that were born to you guys. it just said that joseph is very keen to just get in with that. with a quick comment, just before we go to harald over, we'll try to put it prints. i just have just one second. yes i'm, i didn't re, uh, the idea that we don't need to lead or see what i'm talking about leadership, not those people will. how best trying to go on from not thinking about those

photographs. we need to go like, going to be bought a movement 10 success. read all of the leadership. this is the general idea as one of those, okay? so in the running and the title is right now you okay, let that move on with that person wouldn't be purchase and the movement was done on the network. is there a reason to bring harold in on the issue of international intervention because there was a loss of suspicion, rightly caused by the painful history that has that hazy has, has with international medicine meddling in it's so fast? is it a 5 point or should it once again, open the door to the international community trying to sort out hate these problems as well as you can see? evidently, this is a very polarizing question here. and you know, there's a track record of, you know, an intervention. nearly 13 years of the latest one was the un administered mission,

which has lasted for 13 years in nearly a $1000000000.00. and you know, we're out of probably worse shape than we've ever been. and then you also have the matter of, you know, there is an urgent situation that requires immediate assistance. so this is a real question and it will be even worse. so in the coming months, if not years, when will be in the electro cycle. you know, how will we go it through elections in the current context and that i don't think anybody here has the precise answer uh for the renewal of institutions in the current context of the app entering my apartment? or are y'all are res coverage to use any of the the, the, the enter defacto prime minister henri says security needs to be in place for elections to happen. can lead to say, well. busy that today we need to have elections, we'd have a democratic process before we can step back from taking control of the streets.

how does it work, and how do you achieve that security that need is in the country for a vote to take place while to achieve the security for us, the government needs to take responsibility. the government need to start supporting the band. it's the government and the rise, the mr. al, yell of the, the, the 5 to 5 minutes to do whatever the international, particularly mean, whatever the us embassy asked him to do, he's not lifting a hands for any patients that are being tortured at the hands of those a bended but i, so he put out a speech asking that he shouldn't populations when they get the benefits to him, them over to the police. and with that mister a, he can release many of the police officers for bull fighting secuity for me, for his values. ministers to go provide security to the population and help deal with the game issue. we are not ready yet to have elections. we should not be

having any directions where it would be of the controls and the hands of the international community. we have had that for many years from the election with uh, joseph michelle, not to the to show them will use. that's what give us the results of what we have for right now. the haitian people needs to be given a chance to take that responsibility. my position is that the haitian population should not be the mending of the international community to come help them with this and that we are a people we need to take our responsibility, decide the best of our nation. ready if we need to shop hating down for a moment and ask these embassies to step aside, as the court will do step aside in step being the governor of hate sheets for haitians. to get the responsibility to put themselves in a room, even if it's all week. so to, to drop down and strategize, some point a to point, see how we going to move forward to go to the next level. but you look at the come

and jumped over the simply allow the international community to put another public government and we can go there. right? understood, understood, joseph. he'll views on how hate see a change, a state of security. i understand that the prime is the only is considering mobilizing the minute tree. is that a good idea? i don't think that to you don't come on a train. he need a miniature falls. it's like less than $1000.00 people. so there is no way that the ministry at a point is jen sloan to pull him out of the office and whatnot, and meetings, and all the interventions. how follow is fair here you want me. this is the way that those missions well, lecture the well, so we made what now i see the cannot solve the problem. then we may even ask, what are some, what did we have points is why not the emission? we thought, wow, this mission will be, i don't know,

failure because it mission tens of the surface one only if the government has picked up by city die the mission to settle the uh, the conditions. but the government, they're not doing like what do we have been with people and people say people, it's possible that the international you mentioned had was all sort out the impatient people. i'm going to get the last word to harald heads. we just got a minute left. we started this discussion how by saying that hazy was dangling over in the base. that's the view of you, an official, a so much disagreement within the country. the problems are so numerous. come hazy, be stopped from falling into the last of this as well. the numbers are really dire. uh, it's a very sad and very sorry,

states to see 80 with about 5000000 people nearing found in like states you have about a 150000 kids. uh, for uh, an accelerated, accelerated wasting state of these, you know, are ultimately the victims of the whole situation of this whole political void, this whole institutional crisis. and, you know, there is, there seems to be no end in sight. however, directly immersive whole there, you know, certain aspects are looking somewhat up, you know, all certain neighborhoods in the capital that have been liberated are seeing, you know, uh, life coming back to them. so it's going to be a long way to recovery and it's going to be a long way to normalizing uh, the institution via solutions and renewing them. so it's, you know, uh, i think katie is got out of the woods yet. but there are reasons to time, faith and hope. oh say for myself. well,

we will end on that optimistic note. the situation is just, but there is face and hope that all will be well. thank you very much to oh, i guess for joining our discussion and stay. how old is that? usually a show and joseph, our old chef, i'm thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting a website that's onto 0 dot com for further discussion. do you guys? well, facebook page, that's facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on a homeless app, a j inside story from me, laura kyle and the whole team. here i sent out the the

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