to drop a load of rain so they will be setting throughout his reach. but following that, turn off the woods. the cost is generally fine with the android and halt. attempt is really on the high side once again in the north west of india and know from the pakistan the palestine is once of very different place from today to cities became connected to the interior in an award winning film, which is 0. well, here's historians and i would use accounts that portray early 20th century by this time as a thriving fibers reach, it was multiple investments were excess, moving from one city to another, kind of styling 1920 on al jazeera. the pacey is on the edge of the best, the was of a senior un official,

and another warning more than a 100 thousands of its children are in danger of salvation, poverty and gun violence on the stabilizing the country. so what's being done to help its people? this is inside story, the hello and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. hazy is descending into a deepening crisis with no less help for its long suffering. people senior un official to say political instability gone, war 5 poverty and the impact of recent natural disasters like us cliques, have left us people in dire need of help. government appeals, international ministry support of logic on, on onset mothers, lynching kidnappings have increased. so come hazy off a hope,

so it's people. i'm also is the international community doing to help. we'll be asking all guests these and other questions and just a few moments, but 1st, so as of a report from hayes, he's capital on what life is like for people that i am here in the neighborhood of bel air in the capital of haiti for to prince, this area has been caught in between fights between rival gangs. house is like the one where i am right now have been set on fire in those fights. people have to flee this part of the city for the others. where here i'm told that at least 12 people died in this house. you can see some remains all around this area. haiti is in k was right now. around 80 percent of the capital has been taken over by gangs, and they're expanding to other parts of the country since the assassination of president join in maurice, in 2021, the number of massacres of killings of kidnappings have been on the rise. and

that's why the interim from minister has been requesting help for the international community. there's a non elected non function in governments in haiti right now. the united nations high commissioner for human rights is saying that a special force should be sent in to help the government fight against the gangs. however, this is not tennessee tech, especially with the history of forces deployed in k t. right now. half of the population is in desperate need of assistance, but because of the assistance, a distribution is extremely difficult. and the united nations children find this thing that over 100000 children could die because of lack of food in this country. in the past few weeks, we have seen the beginning of a movement here that is known as white color, where he's basically people taking matters into their own hands. we have seen lynchings of alleged gang members. let's gang members being set on fire on the streets and the violence prevails with people here. the ones that we have been

talking to are saying that they are desperate, so it's for stability. they're concerned about their children's future and those who have left this area because of the violence, are desperate to come back to this level for inside story in puerto prince. well, before we get to the discussion, let's just take a closer look at some pay these problems so many decades as people have suffered cycles of violence, political instability, and humanitarian crises in security. wesson's off the present and driven illinois was assassinated in 2021 games now control much of the capital port or prince hazy is the winning from devastation close by end of quake. in 2010 a color outbreak followed with the resurgence last year and a half of the 11000000 population is in need of a to move in a 100000 children are at risk of salvation. the fact that prime minister ariel on res appeals international help including military support. i've received little

response presidential unparliamentary elections, but last held in 2016 and have since been postponed several times. but let's bring in all guests now and, and pull the prints. how old is that? an independent journalist who's reported extensively on hazy and washington dc use india show executive director of the see on my pull a faith based organization. she's also host and executive producer of can be lucky . that's a radio show in hazy, also in a poster printer, it shows of oral care and political consultants i'm fond of not. so that's a useful organization for amazing, the development and democratization of hate. see if i will welcome to all of you, joseph. can you stop by giving us just a little bit more of an idea of what life is like for people living under the control of games, we're talking about some 80 percent of the caps or for for prints the

phone. thank you to look for these to be patient. what i can send the cd. the people just do not believe because the state does not exist. all the people control what now, i'm not the space. these are only the gains, and i think why here shouldn't people call anything wrong? specially important was these really hall holding surely, the facts on the light will be concrete. because this chris is so high, be almost all nation and i think it is so in this summer there is no like we're not going to be you cannot move, everybody has to stay at home. these are the situation that they shouldn't be both all the work. no. oh, go all the over the last 2 weeks. there is

a movement in your movement. i just recall the joint always. um, which scroll walk on it. people are backing people already funding to the dance and to some extent this has been reduced, did not being and the people are not in security, but i think uh they, i would say they are less trust in the county. the go. the games tend not to do being a to not being people on the road to ring, let's say, or the last we adult for 2 years. okay, i want to talk a little bit more about the vigilante lism that's being on the rise, the in the capital in just a moment. festival. how old could you just tell us little bit more about the extreme levels of violence that people are confronted with every single day. talking about some 20 incidence of whether it's ready for homicide or limit single

kidnapping. some 20 every single day of this. yeah, that's extraordinary. well essentially for the past 2 years of theres been uh, a hyphen level of gang violence which has, which has translated into uh, you know, uh, rapes, uh, gender based mileage, uh, kidnappings massacres. um and you know, it's been a reality, a daily reality for a lot of folks here. um, especially in the metropolitan area of border prentice where nearly 200 tanks are operating and covering nearly 80 percent of the capital are using any of these, these 200 gangs. they operate with impunity. the u. n says the violence is, it was a levels. how did they get to be so powerful? well, there are essentially 2 company that's to, uh to, to gain file is there is a pure criminal ality where they are, you know, by performing extortion kidnappings and, and, and trying to,

you know, get as much money as possible on one hand. and there's also a political, a pumping into it where they are essentially tools to, uh, you know, uh, crooked politicians or trying to secure votes or control electronic, uh votes, uh, in, in key popular areas using e o. u as a way of doing that in washington d. c. do you see the gains as being the problem or do you see them being a symptom of the problem because of the guidelines themselves? i mean, they've told out, is there a when we've interviewed them in the past that it's not gotten bonded, is that the problem is corruption at the political level that pulls this situation and thank you for having me. i believe the situation is just part of the problem, but the issues that we are facing in he is a very complex corruption, is at the root of the problem. the games would not be the, had our politician not to utilize them and doing

a left to where we can pay to help to walk individuals to vote in their favors. and you have seen over the past 12 years with the reading of the p. s to got political party was being power window through depaula made. so the president season ministers, they have not responded to the amended that the people who did them in power for the games on there because they are being supported by certain members of our he cannot make it leads to protect the values areas and our politicians are also profiting from having these, again, the visa of young men and women who becomes a victims to the corrupt system. and lack of development in, in the country. i think had we had a governments who are responsible for utilizes the public funds to create hospitals, be a better schools, roads, and to create innovations for these young bands. to find jobs,

they would have channel their energy use elsewhere instead of terrorizing the populations, the weapons that they are utilizing as a weapons that are being purchased abroad. we in haiti, we do not use guns and we do not produce bullets either. there was a report put out of not too long ago by the u. n. d o c y d show that the trellis of weapons coming into handy to bunch of videos that are coming from the united states. and i think the us um, planning as being a friend of haiti and also leading the campaign to get multinational forces in the country can begin by putting a stop to the flow of weapons that's coming from their country to enter our store. okay. it's just that just before we get onto the vassal and events, and again, i want to just continue addressing the situation in hazy because it is a country that's got no problem. and hardly any legislation has no press. the prime minister himself is considered in a just so much by many the gains may have political power,

but how they overtaken the politicians in power because it doesn't seem to be any proper leadership that important prints. there is uh, a cleo young young girl with a pretty coalition. what is not a government there is, there is no dividend. ha, never. we have every even going to put into going to be going to be getting. so even though it does not any, god does not have any kind of the leads. why me? yeah, respect is exactly what he's undergoing. what now of what he has the jump in and why? why is it that has never been a political elite and hazy ok, i think we have never tried this, but he's going to be based on what i call the property all but he shouldn't be both the one i called the passion. so the people united

an act together, i think this is the main level of the country and also barry's and all that explanation, the fact that asian people, especially those have to be calm. the, don't the concrete. not how the, the, the mean dot edu. okay. um, the leading heating, awful lot of people thing dogs, you on that try to be in? yeah, from we got i think right now we have just one cedar. i'll sell the asians right in the garden that we have believe in the caribbean. and the ro relations according to go on and don't want to go really, is that you with the one, i think these are the main factors, splitting the income of people. what is the action in the okay, that was, you know, what? yeah, let me, let me just jump in the use any as responds because i didn't see quite a response. so when, when you said that people in hate to come out to unite,

to leave the country, your engineer what, what do you, what do you think you, ma'am? i, i differ with that, but patient populations can unite. is this that the international meddling in our political affairs has been debt to mental to the process. because most of the time, i mean, we can take the montana alcord for example. they galvanized a lot of people to put together in a court, but the court did not satisfy the needs of what the us and other and at countries was seeking. and in response to this, i hate, you know, having a political elite the apparently political leads. what many calls the mostly we compliment to ellipse and he's the one that's all lies the political system. they are the ones who hold the customs a high speech. they are the one who blazed the ministers at each different branch of government. they are the ones who decide what type of budget is going to get passed and how much money is going to get located, even if the parliament were attempting. actually,

it was never use himself pointed that out. doing one of these speech before they brutally assassinated him, the elite and hate to use hated as a ground to dump their products to collect money from the haitian people. but they have not invested socially into the developments of hey g at the haitian elite. had some sort of the whole integrity had, gave me taken responsibility to even go so far as paying the tax dollars. we will have enough money to keep the country going. if you look at our watch, that will be in control by the patient elite, the amount of money we are losing at the port could be enough money for us to substance out on haitian national police and the okay, let me just bring in the harold at this point because it got to by different ideas as to why democracy. busy is failing at the top levels of hazy, we've got instructional meddling being brought up corruption of the elite,

the people being unable to reach consensus held. what's your opinion? well, he has been, uh, you know, uh, the object of many sort of interventions from the international community and to, you know, just some expand, could be considered kind of a laboratory where, you know, a lot of, of, of interventions have been, i've been done, but i think that as of late, the approach i'd be publicly of the international community has been to have what do you call, you know, a haitian lead solution into side of the extent. uh, it's starting to mid to, to kind of, uh, articulated today. 80 units isn't a sore real situation, at least facing it's institutional avoid you having international community, you know, maybe live by canada saying they're going to be supporting the haitian national police by put by, you know, transporting cation purchased armor, vehicle and training. you know,

police officers and someone in the last 3 weeks what you've seen is essentially, you know, the population picking the matter in his own hands with the work of a movement and propelling us really in the new guy mentioned that, you know, is, you know, for the most part on chartered territory. absolutely. uh and joseph rise and vigilance his and that you mentioned before, people losing the fear of gang violence, but also news and all phase in the will far as he's being able to contain them, does this wise and, and in a bit john's, as i'm concerned, you yes i yeah, i am a concern with that because um, based most meant i think for not for me because that point i think its own. but the problem is the only it um information which will be uh in the mid term. the problem is just

replacing the problem by end of the apartment. so at this moment, if you had the she, i think this one saw the problem in print we, we had been denied these is see the old man, which all sort all the security problem. well, this moment hi. hey, do it, is it we don't need or she end up. we don't know appointments. there weapons when people lynch rang gang members liters lens. the weapons that are taken from them. we have been what now we don't. so i'm very concerned with the moment just because you have no issue. okay. and usually the, let's move on to this idea of an international specialized armed force. the problem

is the only is called for it's got the backing of the us, i'm the you when. nothing seems to have happened about it. no one country seems to want to lead it. do you think it's a good idea? i think before i answer your questions for international and physicians, i want to speak to the issue vigilante. what is happening? and he, i wouldn't consider the vigilance you right here in the united states. we have the stand your ground laws that is legal of what people have the ability to defend their home if they feel that they are being threatened for years that the haitian population sides being terrorized, their childrens are being weighed. their children is, are being shipped not they are burned, they bought tortures at the hands of those getting leaders, whether the previous government or the current defective by administer as not lift the hands of done nothing to help result the challenge. so the haitian population has the responsibility and should also utilize their right to stand the ground and

defending themselves from being terrorized by gain leaders who are being provided weapons by our members of the government and different political fact has been our you cannot make factors, it's been long that they've been held hostage in their house and it's been long that they are being deprived. but the economic resources, nobody has to nothing deleted the current. what kind of a does not need to lead to by putting a media forward? receptive put somebody forward for the international community or the haitian, really to purchase the power ability to break it down. haitians move to give responsibility to cleaning the a country up to meet it. we don't need an international interventions. what we had through from 1915. the, the leads and he calls but international interventions. look at where we are today . 2004 the you weren't given to haiti, do you want is still in here, you d as we speak, it is not fully militarized, but they are still in the country. the justice system has not received any

assistance the military missions we had and he knew for years did not provide any structural um, structured for us. there was no school bill. there was no road built the amount of money that being invested in how the military forces on the ground does not support he. we all know that the housing with the co corner weapon demik, well over 820000 people way impacted. 10000 people died as a result of it, we are left behind with a lot of smaller just children. these fatherless children are children that were born to you guys. it just said that joseph is very keen to just get in with that. with a quick comment, just before we go to harald over the outside of port of things, i just have just one second. yes i'm. i disagree with the idea that we don't need to leadership. what i'm talking about leadership. not, not, not those people will have this trying to gone through. i'm not thinking about those 40 god, what are you going to?

i'm going to be bought a movement 10 success. read all of the leadership. this is up and exhibit genuine. yeah, that's wonderful. okay. so in the running of the title is right now, you okay, let that move on. that's the best time. would it be purchase in the movement was done on the network. is there a reason to bring harold in on the issue of international intervention? because there is a lot of suspicion, rightly caused by the painful history that has that hazy, has, has with international medicine meddling in it's so fast. is it a 5 point? oh, should it once again, open the door to the international community trying to sort out hate these problems as well as you can see. evidently, this is a very polarizing question here. and you know, yeah, there is a track record of you know, an intervention. nearly 13 years of the latest one was the un administered mission,

which has lasted for 13 years in nearly a $1000000000.00. and you know, we're out of probably worse shape than we've ever been. and then you also have the matter of, you know, there is an urgent situation that requires immediate assistance. so this is a real question and it will be even worse. so in the coming months, if not years, when will be in the electronics cycle. you know, how will we go into elections in the current context and that i don't think anybody here has the, the precise answer for to renew. busy institutions in the current context of the admin trim apart minister arreola reeves coverage to use any of the, the, the, the in the defacto prime minister henri says security needs to be in place for elections to happen. again, lead to say, well. busy that today we need to have elections. these have a democratic process before we can step back from taking control of the streets.

how does it work, and how do you achieve that security that need is in the country for a vote to take place while to achieve the security for us, the government needs to take responsibility. the government need to stuff, supporting defendants, the government, and the ways. the missed the of the, the, the 5 to 5 minutes to do whatever the international, particularly whatever the us embassy asked him to do. he's not lifting a hands for any patients that are being tortured at the hands of those a bended but i so he put out a speech asking that he shouldn't populations when they get the benefits to him, them over to the police. and with that mister a, he can release many of the police officers for providing security for me, for his values. ministers to go provide security to the population and help deal with the game issue. we are not ready yet to have elections. we should not be

having any directions where it would be of the controls in the hands of the international community. we have had that for many years from the election with joseph michelle. my to need to show them will use that's what give us the results of what we have for right now. the haitian people needs to be given a chance to take that responsibility. my position is that the haitian population should not be the mental beings of the international community to come help them with this and that we are a people we need to take our responsibility, decide the bits of our nation if we need to shut hating down for a moment and ask these embassies to step aside, as the court will do step aside in step being the governor of hate sheets for haitians. to get the responsibility to put themselves in a room, even if it's all week. so to, to shut down and strategize from point a to point, see how we going to move forward to go to the next level. but you look at the come

and jumped over the separately allow the international community to put another public government. and we can boot there, right? understood, understood, joseph, feel, views on how hate see a change, a state of security. i understand that the prime is the only is considering mobilizing the minute tree. is that a good idea? i don't think that the if you don't come off majoring heating the miniature falls, it's like less than 1000 people. so there is no way that the ministry one is jen. so i wanna pull him out of the office and went on meetings and off in the national interventions. how follow is very in here. you want me, this is the way that those missions well lecture the rare. so we move to what now i see the do not saw the problem, then we may even ask or not. so what did we have points is why not the emission? we thought, wow, this mission will be, i don't know,

failure because it mission tens of the surface when only if the local government has the capacity guy, the mission to settle the uh, the conditions. but these government, they're not doing okay. we have to be brought up people and people say people, it's possible that instead of somebody mentioned had it was all sort. i was able to locate patient people. i'm going to get the last word to harald heads. we just got a minute left. we started this discussion how by saying that hazy was dangling over and the best. that's the view of you, an official, a so much disagreement within the country. the problems are so numerous, come, hazy, be stopped from falling into the last of this well, the numbers are really dire. uh, it's a very sad and very sorry,

states to see 80 with about 5000000 people nearing found in like states you have about a 150000 kids who are in an accelerated excel rated wasting state. these, you know, are ultimately the victims of the whole situation of this whole political void, this whole institutional crisis. and, you know, there is, there seems to be no end in sight. however, during glimmers of hope there, you know, certain aspects are looking somewhat of, you know, certain neighborhoods in the capital that have been liberated are seeing, you know, uh, life coming back to them. so it's going to be a long way to recovery, and it's going to be a long way to normalizing the institution the institutions and renewing them. so it's, you know, i think katie is got out of the woods yet. but there are reasons to time, faith, and hope i would say for myself, well,

we will end on that optimistic note. the situation is just, but there is faith and hope that all will be well, thank you very much to all our guests for joining our discussions. day harold isaac, usually a show and joseph, our old chef. i'm thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting a website that's onto 0 dot com for further discussion. do you guys? well, facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on a homeless app, a j inside story from me laura kyle. and the whole team here is less than that. the the

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