Skip to main content

tv   Inside Story  Al Jazeera  May 19, 2023 3:30am-4:00am AST

3:30 am
storm rolling through chicago and southern conscious of temperatures are down. meantime we've got this disturbance out of mongolia, the northeast to beijing that's going to bring in some sound in dust and this part of the world. and as we look toward indonesia, we've got burst of rain for west and the west stand and the north end of sumatra. i sent on friday. that's it. and see in a bit of the hebron boys bri ethan slide picture button. this occupied palestinian city boys are also close to watch. price really forces at times show thoughts and often arrested . a delicately told tale fumed over 5 years of a coming of age in a place where even a child's imagination separately restricted the skies above had brought a witness documentary on that jersey to rush
3:31 am
a step. something this all attacks on to, on ukrainian troops next territorial gains in front of his landscape, secure, was more western from western allies. will it make a difference on the battlefield cells? diplomacy stand a chance. this is inside starting the color there and welcome to the program. i'm this dante, 15 months interrupt as an invasion of ukraine present for me as a landscape has secured further military support from western allies. they promised more weapons training money, but stopped short, providing the 165 digits that he says could be a game changer. as russia escalates it's miss all attacks the head of an expected ukraine encounter offensive. successful can lead is on now putting a piece mission to moscow and keys. so it was all the interest at stake and how could they shift political alliances?
3:32 am
would explode those issues without guess shortly. but 1st this reported by a country lopez. what are you? christ presidents, a lot of our zalinski had a long wish list for his 3 day european tour. much of it was granted with leaders promising billions of dollars worth of miss lyles. tags and trunks for families of them were returning home with new military health, new and more powerful weapons for the front lines. a more protection for our people . we also have great political support. however, his request for f, 16 fighter jets has been rejected with pilot training programs offered instead, which will mean that we're training ukrainian citizens to become absolutely combat ready at cross pilots. and particularly whether it comes to nato tactics as well. because that's an important part of the long term relationship between all countries. many western allies, notably us president joe biden,
3:33 am
are hesitant to supply key with american made weapons. second, reach russian soil, but so landscape and sits, the weapons are vital to defend ukraine against escalated air strikes. the latest offer to immediate comes from african nations, a delegation of 6 countries, including egypt and south africa set to meet the russian and ukrainian leaders soon . prison putting in prison is lensky. i agreed to that there would be willing to receive admission of the african heads of states, and both must go and keep cool. most african nations have abstained from voting on the u. n. resolutions condemning the invasion. russia has been building close ties with states in africa since the conflict began. and ukraine is one of the biggest exporters of weight to the continent. 15 months into the war, the list of countries attempting to broker peace between russia and ukraine. the
3:34 am
spreading across regions, katia, look this up again for insights. story the well, let's bring in august into we have pieces on this. he's the executive director of the razor democracy initiative, a non profit organization, and that promotes democracy and post communist transitional societies and london, samuel romani, he's an associate fellow at the royal united services institution leading u. k. defense and security. think tank samuels also the old set of persons war and ukraine, and in the russian capital must go. we have a lot of me, a suddenly cause. he's an associate professor of international relations at the high school of economics university, and also a specialist on russian foreign affairs. i will welcome to you on, thanks so much for joining us on inside story. now, president, letting me, his lensky has just come back from his round european tool asking from a weapon. so i, i want to stop that. as katia just reported, he's gotten a lot of what's on his wish list,
3:35 am
but not these of 165 digits at least not yet. piece of was it a success? yeah, i think overall it was a great success. and i think, you know, the fact that i would present has collected these are essentially pledges by member states and nato, including friends are crucial where, uh, that supports ukraine's eventual membership. but nato was very important, you know, and i would probably discount at this point. the point is at 16 short term because obviously it will take not, not weeks but months to get our pilots trained. uh, so this may be a little bit of a, i know um the red heavy you know, uh and you know what, what is important is to get in as much of a, uh, a taylor. we support uh tags um, you know, electronic uh, devices, etc. the deep writing needs, in order to stage a successful contract fans and f 16 is very important and you know what,
3:36 am
i believe they will be coming eventually. uh for whatever host. uh, you know, more of a security arrangement is found for your crate and long term of thing. you can needs them. but short term thing, ukraine. it will be tough. it won't be overnight, but the thing you create is counter offensive can be successful without f. 16. well, we've seen quite a robust, round of weapons commitments. it's obviously a very fine line for western countries. they want to support tiers, but they also don't want to do something that would escalate the will not to me. it . how is this latest round of commitments being viewed in moscow? i thank you very much for having me on the show. once again, i think that the actually the only offer, so only please use the with your mind. you can even call it was mentioning in case uh, um, in case you actually, they're not really much welcome. they, they, in fact they, they, they are not welcome the most. i think that the russia actually will utilize old
3:37 am
actual assets including strikes. we'd sure we have seen just know, i mean in the previous slide um that before that uh and also i think the uh, the um the situation will be down there with the strikes will be reorder youngsters on the 1st floor. roots of uh, visa tanks. it, i'm not sure i'm not sure it's all up to the united states or something. you're in the life of another space or going to really ship like ukraine with ac. 16 uh fine to bose because that means that uh they see this web and they've already engaged with me when they won't be escalating. so i don't know to about that. yeah . you're, you're going to live, so you're going to station like to escalate the installation of the law. so i think that the, um, at the end of the day, a restaurant will undertake all the necessary measures to cope
3:38 am
with the problems of the uh, west. uh uh, back to our supplies office also today the rate tree of gray show, but it doesn't sound like moscow necessarily views this as an escalation, samuel, you'll assessing in london. the u. k. has said that they're going to be supplying long range missiles to ukraine, which would cover more distance than what you can currently has. how much of a difference do you think these weapons will actually make to fighting on the ground and strategy? so i think the britain is already supply the storm, shut themselves, and the russians is that at the store and shout themselves were already put onto the battlefield. but the strike that we saw last week and the last so these are also going to be paired with additional drilling technologies. obviously the ukrainians have been wanting long range missiles for a long time. they've wanted data cameras in the united states, but there are being some concerns, obviously in western capital is that ukraine by use them outside of just the occupied ukrainian regions. but actually just drake russian territory proper to create an assurance to britain that it wouldn't do that. and then it got these long
3:39 am
range of us us. so i think that it's a significant advantage for the running costs. and also it's interesting that they've been very swiftly integrated onto the battlefields. i'm like guy, the f sixteens as we just mentioned, would you could take months to enter the battlefield. so i mean, i just want to follow up that the line that teens is sticking to, that it's acting defensively that it's not attacking russian territory. and your assessment of the was i thought how true is that? well, i mean, it depends what we define is actual defense that actions. i mean, that obviously vitamins lensky and his team around it. or categorically denied that there's ranking targets inside russia. but we've seen some, uh, but it goats and some suggestions to the hunter. i, i, there were some interesting girl, at least, for example, that came through from the washington post. i suggested that as once he was a lease mulling as occupying where she villages and, and distracting the judgment high, applying towards hungry. and also there was a plan from his advisors, several districts, syria, as long as you put it, put the brakes on and is also recurrent, do showings and attacks that we're seeing inside belgrade and branch concurs,
3:40 am
could hear the borders adventure and even further on, which could have been triggered by a ukrainian attacks infiltration behind enemy lines. obviously, though they're targeting logistics and the military of russian from inside that could be deemed as a defensive operation in a sense, because preventing the russians were striking you ready in cities. but the russians would probably take that as an escalation. so it really depends on how you define defensive and offensive action ukraine denied struggling last year. but the something actual evidence that they have been engaged with those types of activities. so piece where i see nothing the, that's your assessment to and i would just say that it was a response to the previous panelist and the russian participant of that, you know, for rushed of russia considers and can't consider anything is coward escrow authority considering that's the occupied territory where you can just hoping to stay just counter offensive, including consultants of our region, the nest and crimea. they are already, according to the russian constitution,
3:41 am
part of the russian territory. and there is no difference between moscow and crimea in the eyes of a russian lawmaker or russian politician or a russian military person. so, you know, it's very much a moot point at this point. after we've seen time. and again, the way of rush, it has reacted to these pasco authority tactics. you know, they have pro and everything. they have a do crane. i wish our co panel is from russia experience, at least one night. this sort of night we experience 3 days ago was broken up at 3 in the morning and all hell breaks loose over you. literally what it felt like your brain stops, you know, so i, i, at this point i don't understand what that escalation, that's a rush or is warning about could mean short of a nuclear war. so i wouldn't put too much stock in it and you know, so, so i do want to ask you about something that you said a moment ago, which was, it was your suggestion that keep, doesn't need to be,
3:42 am
that's sixteen's to when the war you talked about them being used in a post world context, right? i'm curious about why k wants these f sixteens i'm, i understand that there are facilities and you can very, very few of them that could actually handle the jet. so obviously, as you suggested as while a huge amount of training, is this about symbolism or is it actually about strategy? well, you know, i think it's uh, once i get it started with the longer uh, towards the strategy of security for you quite. and ukraine is very mindful that we're dealing with when it comes to our allies in the west. members of the run started coalition nathan states. these are electoral democracies and the wins of democracy. the below, i very capricious one day to day. the blower in one direction tomorrow is they'll be blow blowing a different direction to put it bluntly, ukrainians are of you know, concerned about, um you know, the, these winds in washington whether they will ship come uh the electrons in 2024. if electric, if the republicans for donald trump take power again and then you know,
3:43 am
all bets are off. and so this is a way to get it as much weaponry and as many get a security guarantees as possible before those negligible winds of change. you know, a set in, in the us and other western capitals. so anxiety then potentially in key is given the context of the 2024 election dotted me. i'm curious about how that's going on and how that sitting at the moment and most of the, excuse me, excuse me, i, i just want to make a point to all the various reply optimal. you can guess actually, i would also would like for you to know that a he, you, you won't get the experience of having sustained and continue as boone, about an adult for your premium drones on the value that they actually live with. my, my, my, my, my close relative lives them, but they have small children, so sorry to say that, but back to they have to abandon their houses because of your premium drones. well,
3:44 am
but by the, by the rock and so far the, the, the side area. so that's actually also an experienced problem where you will be yes . another thing i would like to point out that most skill actually is not feeling you cleaning your account. so the whole college of friends isn't full. i mean, uh, we have college students raging out what troops, i hear the news that the, the total amount of the troops will be on the maybe around $500000.00. so one thing, another point is that that the rush rush actually is they make. making sceptics as far as i can understand in the region be not come with a cold. but the opperation sectors of russia is giving the floor to professionals
3:45 am
to do professionals like a private company, private duty to the governing work. and the company actually is doing the job. right. so i think that the event at the end of the day, michael into them absolutely sure left that if and when the so called but you pay them a count sort of friends. you would say way somebody does a base, it will take place probably in the we call a bomb in between. they said to yes, so i the. ringback that's all that you will get much of a voltage is much you do go to j as much a great example that i feel like this is a good time to take a bit of a look at who controls was on the grounds. at the moment, you can says it continues to make gains in the east, specifically around the eastern city of buck, much 5 as belonging to russia's above the group hold most of that city, the size of one of the longest and bloody as baffles of this war. and russia meanwhile says it's carried out several grounds attacks along the don't yet. front
3:46 am
. now letting me you were just saying that wagner has been doing an excellent job. there were recent reports, whole room is that well disputed reports that wagner had been actually sharing intelligence with keys. and i know keith denies this, but regardless of all of that, this, this content i have that's been a huge amount of disunity on the russian friends. well actually i think this is robinson, i think i, i don't know, well, you get this information. but i think this information that ponder group is tearing southern southern just information really premium military. i think that's a completely wrong wrong wrong as options i you know, mister pick good who is a chief of the group. he's not going to be uh say a per day to allow the website to be to be a trade. so for uh, for his own country, that's one thing. and the other thing i think uh sorry, what was the 2nd part of your question? right. uh, i just thought, oh no. so i understand that these are disputed reports. uh,
3:47 am
but they have been huge amounts of disputes between wagner and the russian military . very public ones over the last few weeks and months, particularly around the block was and you call and say that there's a huge amount of unity in, in the fights and forces that oh wow yes, yes, i agree with you. there were some reports of that rather than that, i hear i heard the roster and most to that uh there were. 3 results that 3 is uh, some uh, ongoing battles. uh uh, in the whole scale. but who does it go? and so, but i think that's where there was information. never does the original raise. you myself again. that so the huge yeah. well, you huge amounts of the troops over russian jobs will be all, i'm going to be a master along with they all the front line, which is the why is that quite the fixed alignment to the right now. and the why think that the, the war actually ukrainian or russian war is at the moment the saw position
3:48 am
one millside is going just to undertake something without the motto river, right? okay, well, let's talk about this counter offensive that we expect to happen. samuel from previous ukrainian strategies, do you envision this to be more about trying to re take territory potentially, or taking out just like different strategic targets instead? how intense could the spice and get? well, i think the discount events that is going to be important in terms of the gmp territory i'm already seeing is uh, some limited movements in a variety of potential axes, as well as what the united states call shaping operations, which are preventing and derailing worst. his ability to retaliate for ukrainian advances. so we're basically seeing some shipping operations take shape and parts is that produce chance to just talk mac, which could lead to a broader assault on the city about a total. and if you really is to manage to liberate miller trouble,
3:49 am
they will be able to just drop the russian supply chains further from premier drawers on. that's another area where the running and they're trying to expand. isn't the hans quickly along the axis being side of them for mina? there's heavy russian fortifications there, but you granted you making slow but steady gains over there over the course of the past several weeks. and then there's what we've been just noticing. and by hood, where do you really is it managed to take advantage of the fact that the larger group forces are concentrated on urban battles in the city center. and they've been able to liberate 20 square kilometers on the northern and southern flanks. so i think that they'll be a multiple access counter offensive where they liberate territory, and they combine that with the tax on russian logistics building the occupied territories and perhaps denial blake inside russia itself. so it sounds like preparations a very much in place. i'm curious about how this has been viewed and kids because as we've been talking about, that has been the, is escalating missile strikes on the capital over the course of a recent days piece. you would just describing them yourself is that view?
3:50 am
there is a reflection of moscow being worried about the counter offensive, or is it about pre empting it? yes, indeed, it is, by all indications, very uh, trouble has trouble some time for uh, for, for moscow mind you on that drum, that, that on the crumbling was the 1st time that this impregnable opt until then it print unable fortress in the heart of the country. and the heart of its capital was breached during the 1st time, was in 1986 when a german file into much yes, bruce landed on the red square. so a scandal of major proportions and throughout the process that we've seen starting by, you know, last summer, a space off of off our sons, the fire a backs, uh my tax on various so know o oil depository is military military objects and just a few days ago of 3 of helicopters and to play and shut down over the bronze area.
3:51 am
but as they were on route to attack, ukrainian essentially civilians all down in one day. and just yesterday, a milestone was these 200000 russian soldiers as reported by the prince. defense ministry have died in this war, which is 10 times the number of soviet soldiers who died in the war. and it's getting this done in 10 years. so yes, the russians are, the criminal is very, very concerned about the coming culture offensive. and obviously these are a lot of them are retaliatory attacks these showings on key if which you would doubt about their advocacy and, but they're, you know, what the purpose is because ukrainians have shown that, you know, a tremendous success rate shooting dialed these missiles, including the missile that's, that's like an important that's claim cannot be shut down and we just control. and the patriots that had been delivered to create a now uh,
3:52 am
being shown to successfully disabled people, these hypersonic missiles to okay, i want to take a bit of a step back here at this point because it's been the yet, and a course of 15 months since this will began, i know most of it has been releasing policy documents about countering the west broadly. and they hardly mentioned you can, but show you this is viewed as part of that is this whole being viewed as, as positive for all the russian foreign policy and fearful must go, isn't it? so the law whole. uh well actually uh yes, there was a concept uh it goes up to a new call. simple actually lawrenceville, assuming that the problem for us actually that's a really, that these uh proxy war by the western guns is as baseball as the documents are saying. so, and i think that the relations between russia and the western countries, i'm going to something already about the united states. so say you were been your
3:53 am
united states, you have been the lifeline germany. products are involved as i think these relations have been spoiled for 4 years, some call. so i think that the ukranian context actually was one of the text projects, stuff, protocol, publishing, deductible. and the other thing also, i would like to, yeah, that's a, since 2014 and the game clear that russia is love going to be extracted by the western kansas in jones. which other all of a come back for it's for him. but was, there's a lot, i think that there is no longer that. so the site and you boss the documents, actually the number uh the uh, is gonna be, uh, uh, probably in the documents like another gold subset of shoes. when, when the there will be a continuation of this one. so it does feel very like the kremlin is waste, is playing a bit of
3:54 am
a waiting game to see how long west and unity will last and it has held sofa. samuel, i want to ask you just a little more about the f sixteens because our cool ukraine got the tanks from the west in march like 6 months before that sending tanks would have been seen as a huge escalation. do you think that that might be the same case when it comes to the 16th, that it's really just a matter of time on the west and unity will hold long enough for that to happen. yeah, i think that they built it on the passport and it does seem is that the russians are handy on western disunity. still, even though the west is remainder cause the united during this war, we just saw surgery lab rob yesterday. for example, just remind international audiences about the fact that the us, the band of the after and government and left the tell ben takeover in 2021 and implying that something similar could happen with regards to us support for your grant. turning towards the specifics of the 16th, i think it's more, more likely that the united states will eventually cave on supplying these as well as other ada cams that towards the granting and army long range missiles are being
3:55 am
restricted because the supply constraints are going to mock village, not because of us ways and risks and the 16th probably due to the fact that they're just not going to arrive in time for the current counter offensive. so i think that the more the countries are training you bringing pilots to use them, like the british training efforts, the belgian training efforts, and many others that we've noticed over the course of the past couple of weeks, including grades, lensky stuart. and that seems to be the craze prepared to use them. anything to the 16th will eventually enter the battlefield. and one last point is important to keep in mind that this ukrainian gather offensive, regardless of whether it succeeds or how much it succeeds or fails, is not going to be probably the last one in this war. the russians are in this of law as of the radiance and the 16th would come into effect during another calendar . events of the rent is launched in the future. so well, if everyone's in it for the long haul, that may austin about the ongoing mediation efforts, china's now go to mediation if it going african leaders on their way to moscow and
3:56 am
keep the pope francis wants to get involved as well. a piece a, how is this viewed in t if is any of us going anywhere as well. uh, do you obviously can not attacking the ice china considering what a crucial player it is in worlds affairs. and it's making efforts to, uh, you know, good faith efforts to engage with china who special representative was just seeing the um, you know, having said that, show ukraine is wherever you, that your child is also guided by the it's imperative to not allow for me to lose a face for a to lose the war to dramatically because of alignment. put this in beans. governments are l like in that they have challenged the liberal world order led by the united states and the allies. and so these are, you know, various uh these, uh, keeping your initiatives and now that we see coming up just from china, but from brazil and from most recently from south africa,
3:57 am
these old members of the so called drakes, which is that grouping of countries where russia is also a part of and so ukraine has officially to welcome it, but once i get something we are very, very concerned about the park. she l a d o players and the way they're trying to keep lab report is face intact. and you mentioned impartiality that let me ask very, very briefly about them to come in on that. how is the african piece initiative at the moment being viewed in oscar a? well, actually a thank you very much for the question of sir. really the question, i think that that it has been well come back to the russian funding industry just as a publish the statement to reach out. it says that the, uh well store is a well coming this initiative. and i think of that and they will be really ad swap so well during the visit, the visa, after completion to most google docs level with us when they have uh vacation. but also, um, and the russians wanted me to say about those, i think runs loved even what the ridge clinton will accept them. another thing i
3:58 am
just wanted to make one point very shortly, i will the just one make or if any one will not be including a, uh, anything which is not suitable for russia. i think of the peaceful negotiations on their success at all. so they both have, i hope, i hope that the separate, committed innovation reynolds, true and familiar with that with the plan. but i hope that these are african delegation of the lease. you have a realistic plan, also based on the quality of the discussion this and now this country most a talk about. but thank you to all of august pieces all me have samuel romani and letting me it's something called and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. that's all the 0 dot com. and for further discussion and you guys, well facebook page, that's a facebook dot com forward slash a inside story. and then that you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle
3:59 am
is as a inside story for me to sounds, retain the whole team head bye for now the, the the to the journey of almost 10 years in which to shake, hama, to ward for translation and international understanding has become the most important translation award from adams to the arabic language in the world, the award announces that the nomination periods of 2023 starts from the 1st of march to the 31st of july. applications are accepted through the awards official
4:00 am
website at w w. w dot h t a dot q a cultivating for just the foundation of human civilization. but food today is a global commodity. if the industry did not make money, how many people will be on and how it's cultivated, the contentious debates, public interest and the public safety is definitely not taking precedence. an in depth examination into our great business and the conflicting interests play industry doesn't want any regulation. they just want to put the products under, knock at the price of progress on o g a 0 didn't cover all of latin america for most of my career, but no country is a like. and it's my job to shed light on how and why the .

31 Views

info Stream Only

Uploaded by TV Archive on