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the movement still paying reparations has to be energized by a new group of activities. the as of slavery. some british defendants who have posted from the trans atlantic slave trade over the years, i've got together to come painful, a positive justice. so on the show, we will find out how that is possible. but professor much is catherine who will tell us why it is necessary? have a listen, have an action. so 23, when slavery was abolished and the bridge car ban, numerous on the cape, 20000000 pounds was paid in compensation to the slave owners. because they was seen as having lost what was called by property. they enslaved to men and women who they had bought or who would mean born in captivity on their estates, on about $20000000.00 pounds, which was paid out of tax pads,

money. nearly 20000000 stayed in person. so that was a very substantial number of slaves who knows in britain who made substantial change on that money. and that for had a large caching flux at that time. so that's why you shouldn't have been paid the sort of the transatlantic slaves tried, but to the owners of in slave people, this sure was not about that. so i would no feel comments. your questions for a panel, because we're going to talk about how do you make up with a period of time in history? what do you do and what does the edge of that inheriting? well, how do they handle it? that is what i show is about today. comment section is right that have just the guess to take us. we have this conversation. so with us from new york city, we have lower to value and she is the co founder of as of slavery in london

spectrum, labor m, p and chair of the african reparations on the potty parliamentary group about with barrow id. and joining us from pittsburgh associate professor at carnegie mellon university. would you, i'm yeah, i know how i guess we all flipping the script normally and a conversation about reparations. that would be the descendants of being slaves being really, really furious about how nobody's taking them seriously. but nora, this completely changes the way that we talk about reparations in the way that you come into this conversation. how did it stopped as well? somebody's thank you so much for having me on it. such a pleasure to be here with your distinguished guests. and i will say that what we did as a family was just follow the roadmap that was laid out by carol. com, the into government and organization of basically the bush car been. and i went to grenada to make a documentary about my family slave binding policy based on that

u. c. l. database of compensation records that you had, katherine whole talking about that that data base was put on the line in about 2013 . and then about 2016 a family member said to me a radio the john list, you'll suppose to be the family historian. did you know that the, to evaluate and zoned at least 6 foundations in grenada and receive compensation for the 1000 enslaved africans, owned by all ancestors i abolition in 1834. and i knew none of this, then a closer black lives, massa and george floyd sitting here in new york city, covering the protest. as a journalist, i had to know more. so i went to good night of the bbc. let me make a documentary based on that documentary is a family. we'll also, what can we do? and we were led by a grenade as reparations committee. and by sir henry beckles, the chair of carol combs reparations commission. and he addressed all families to zoom and said, you must apologize for what your ancestors did. it will have tremendous power. and

you'll lead by example. name is figure out what your repair treat justice approaches. and then all case it was to donate to the moment about 110000 pounds to education products and go tonight. but i will say that we were led by the cabin and now i look at the incredible well the bell. what has been been doing for some time in the cold months, but now she's holding a legal party, parliamentary groups. that's momentum in britain and all hope is as of slavery is the britons government will engage in negotiations with carol come on the basis of his 10 point, reparations pine, which has existed since 24 team. so he just came out of the meeting, tell us about an amazing know every bid as amazing cause that would be that would be in 10. but tell us what the meeting was about and how do you feel right now about the idea of move people, not just governments, but more people recognizing universities, institutions, recognizing that reparations is the way to as well. and the meet you have just come

out of a co, what's called the legal case, a for reparations. and it was organizing partnership with my parts department to great to ask him reparations and the day. and they all the lawyers to actually take full the mile mile of kenya in terms of the reparations that they received for the read this treatment. and the from, from, from bridge. could i new courses now? and i think it's, it's amazing that was seeing all of this activity right now. we have this option. and one of the things that came out of this meeting over the really, really acts that laying out of the legal case. what, what listings such as talking about terminology. so we refer to slaves quite a lot of the time that people asking for us to refer to those that were in slaves as traffic africans. and you know, we were talking about language we're talking about who should be leading the charge, which was not the front that we have and the as of slavery. and that we have many,

many allies in the struggle. but making sure that people who view all the defendants were well leading the charge and that we don't get also to a situation which is unfortunately a card when we think in terms of international development, which is rather becoming industry instead of what, what was meant to become a, in types of supporting people in the global style that we don't have a situation where people are being dictated to as opposed to uh, you know, the victims meeting in what they see as, as proprietary. just because that would just be another for the vehicle. i mean, right? i have some with, uh, this is what we're doing for you. okay. any that know that no, not a french note that broke jump. that's what they do is smiling at articulate the small energy. what do you make is does this feel like it's a real movement that's covering some momentum? i definitely think so and, and i'm thrilled to know that this work is being done. and i'm also thrilled to see

who's at the forefront of the work. and i'm also very happy to see that we are prioritizing the voices of the defendants. oh, the, and sleep people, me being one of them. by the way, i wanted to say that i have a personal stake and a personal history in this conversation. this is not just in an academic interest for me being a defendant of and slaves, people from trinidad and tobago. my mother's family is from chicago on of the sugar king area of that country. and we definitely want to talk and we want to have a voice in what is being done and what's being decided and not have a solution imposed on us. it's when you said should okay, and so it reminded me of a story that's in the documentary that laura made when she went back to find her family routes and, and the pond patients that have family had owned and there was one story know,

and i think this really helped just tell one story about the sugar pound taishan and there was a, you see the sugar cane into a machine at if you get your finger, quote your hand thing that striped into and then your body. and then when you finish the story, no, i think so. i think that's what some of the horrified you and i think we don't want to be too clinical about what we're talking about. these are real people who have no choice about the what they were made to tell us about the sugar cane story. yeah, it is really horrific saturday and even, you know, a 190 is of to abolition. when i was that in grenada on the basis you a state which means good day by the way, which is so ironic. what do you think of the horrors that happened that i was on last day with d. c. campbell, who's himself, a historical novelist, a good night in a defendant of been slaved in grenada. and he said, you know, or how does it feel? both of us, hey, you a defendant up in slavers and may

a descendant have been slave to night looked to him and hora. and d c said, you know laura, this is how the healing begins. but before the healing begins, let me tell you. he told me about the hora, and we, with that on this sugarcane plantation at the top of the house in the top of the slopes, in the most is house the slave, most of the house looking down whether enslaved would have lipid. and we could see some ruin buildings and dc said, you know, you have to understand, but this was all about economics. it was a little back production. and when the enslaved for feeding the sugar cane into these machines, which is how it go, crossed and eventually turned into into sure. okay. if at any moment, a hand was cold and that machinery rather than stopped production, what would happen is that someone would be standing there with the machete and would cancel the hand of the inside person. that night recoiled in hora to think that this was something that my ancestors had participated in and of the injury and

the death which would have resulted. but we comp shy away from this risk big system and the legacy that it has today. which is why i know that it's hard to talk about, but it's necessary. gosh, you also want to talk about the timeline, right? because when someone says something like a 140 years, it seems like so long ago that this was happening. and this was a reality, so if you want to take a look at it, you know, i posted a little while ago on twitter about the fact that my grand father, as in my mother's father, was born in 1878, only 40 years post abolition in trinidad so my grandfather was contemporaries with people who had been formerly enslaved and my grandfather has 2 living children right now. so i have 2 on as in my mother's sister's whose fault or

was a contemporary of the formerly in sleep. so me as a 46 year old, i'm only 2 or 3 generations depending on how you counted away from slavery, interested out and tobago. and i also asked for people, african americans in the united states and black british people to talk about, well, how far away are you from slavery? and i didn't get anything past about 4 generations. so i want us to think about this is very, very close history for many, many of us. and it's not this distance century long ago, incident or phenomenon, because as absolutely, yeah, i'm not going to say one of the things that just keeps happening. yeah. in terms of when i speak about it in the u. k, this is people constantly coming at me in a basic, well, we've been saying things like we've paid reparations enough,

as it is about the age we've paid to this country. one of them is that it's so far away, why should we be apologizing for something that happened so long ago? and you know, just as you've said it, not only is the money very present, the money, that was the wealth that was gains very, very present. and also so i cuz they can track dot loan that we talked about nice. we already finished paying all the u. k. in 2015. that means people like myself by the said so shocking. i have paid cash, full descendants of people who enslaved people. so i pay tax money on that. so some of my tax one has gone to paying off the debt of people who still people from another place. but that sounded like mind blowing. i want to bring up another voice into our conversation just to move us on a little bit because i wish we know why we're talking about this, this issue,

but not how then do we approach it? and i think we start to break must so dick's and he's a teacher and he lays out very clearly about what he feels about, reparations. he is. and then no, can you help us understand what it's a slavery on? going to do in a practical way. his breakfast is that america should take the new reparations called black americans, who are the sins of american slaves. freeman is what they have done for other proves that this federal government has wrong native americans, though this moultrie ation, in turn, japanese americans and the list continues. we need to pay us. well, we are old and all sort of people who went to the wrong with that, but their descendants receive the payment. the standards should be the same for black americans. yeah, so sign me, i'll say that so interesting to hear that. but as of slavery,

what's happened actually, since the documentary, so really for the last. yeah. but it's etc rated since february since so finally went to granada and apologized to those who are ancestors and slaves. is the i've had so many families, splitting similar backgrounds, reach out and you have a cache who were at the beginning of the program took about all of the people who go that was 46000 claims, made them well for multiple the same family for compensation for the loss of good was insulting the time people's property when slavery was abolished. and i would say i have had upwards of 35, probably families reach out to me who want to what either they want to research. so in history of m. o, and they want to know how to do it. they know that when the compensation records, but they want to know a little or they want to take it further. they want to apologize. they want to reach out to the reparations commission and the relevant car been island, you know, not had really some big names from in slavery and the brushing her band. i'm

jamaica barbados, reach out to me. and so i'm working with them and advising them as to what they could do at talking to the reparations committees and the different countries connecting people. so there's a lot of just practical work that and i think it's about wonderful that in the mentioned there is fantastic. you know this, that is fantastic to hear and i'm excited about that. and i'm also thrilled with what i saw on the website, the ears of slavery website on the section about repair. right, which is the most important, you know, uh, which is what are people doing uh, financially, what are people doing with the money that was made off of the ancestors or of, of, you know, the defendants a being slaves, people who are investors. so and one thing that i didn't see i saw scholarship

programs, i saw a company centers, i saw the domestic abuse support, things like that, which are fabulous. i did not see realistic land the greatest source of wealth for the descendants of the captors. indian flavors has been property, land real estate, and they were able to buy land. they were able to make investments in land and real estate with the money that they made from the exploitation and the ownership of other human beings. and i think it's extremely important because what is happening now that we see in the repair has been happening for a while in terms of kind of philanthropy type of projects or, you know, charity. and there's a saying and being your doctor, you're good. there's still the noise echo, but the valley most know, which is a translates as giving what's excess or what you have left over is not sharing it's

charity. it's giving of. so i want to really shift the conversation to what does it mean to really in a justice oriented way, understand what was made and what was gained from the lives the literal lives, not just labor of in slaves, people and see how we can do about equitably sharing those benefits, right? because i also have i, those really ancestors the if you let me just share that with bell because i'm wondering, is that, that level of thinking, how do we do this at, in an equitable amount of those maybe not to, to send us groups that maybe to governments, right, it, and it goes, it goes beyond the i would say, because the 1st thing we have to do is recognize that there is no amount of money that could ever fully recompense for the ortho hora. but that,

that was the trafficking of africans, people in the trends that legislature, we need to understand that. but then we also understand that we cannot just decide on, on obscure amounts. i'm a give said money, because that's not going to make one of the difference. we have to look at the true meaning of reparations and nice to repair. so you can give somebody money. but if you haven't repaired the systems in which they offer, right? they are never going to be prosperous. they never guys have that equity that we just had about. so we have to be on or, or of these, all of these levels. so yes, we're talking about institutional racism. we're talking about environmental regulations, educational respiration. we're talking about ending this cycle of, of i do, you know, the extra, you just talked about that that looks as charity rather then then compensation. i'm making sure that people have that sustainable development because you have to remember about these countries with deliberately under developed adult sort of

peoples with deliberately i'm just about. it's not that we didn't have civilizations in africa before people with taking as slaves. one of these things that existed before, so we need to repair the invalid, not just throw as far as noble know from that certain things. and that has to be done, at least likely. yes, definitely looking at a lad. uh well, uh, all of these different what else? what does that, what is scotland has done so far, the verses go, what the bridges government has done so far is biased about a bit of labor owners. that's what the british i don't know what they did in 2015, they tweet. so they got out from the home office and they were really excited to kind of look at what the british tax payer was done. they contributed to ending slavery. and everybody said, how do you think, do the, we realized the people that looked like may be really, but the said that this like what actually paying towards a, you know, and what do they get, trip paying to ending at slavery by compensation. the flight phone is okay was they

were what is it all of these things up so so the. busy so nothing a big, fat 0. all right, but the time you did all the payment is originally so you're not about an apology because that's the, that's a stopped and also about how you put together an apology. the bell when you off the british prime minister for an apology, i'm just going to show that little clip so we can see what the response was. that's have a lot so i was off the fine minnesota today, if you will do any grown off all those years ago, i bought some account with others. ok since an offer for a meaningful apology. for all countries ro in slavery, unplug realism, and commit to rep rights re justice. nervous to speak of that? well, i think all right, chris should now be on doing is of course understanding all history and no one is paul. it's not running away from it. but right now, making sure that we have the facility which is inclusive and told her that people

from the background on this house, on the co sign of the house, all committed today and will continue to develop. but trying to, um, pick on history is not the right way for it. and it's not something that we will focus our energies on, you know, or that just makes me saw, i should really give you that man. yeah. have shoes because he's an expert. so i, i don't know, i don't know about that. no, but he rode back. he did the same platitudes that we have had from previous heads of state where they like deep sorrow or regret. so anything. what about you just said no. let me show you is how the 2 volume family got together and said this is how with so a full will add to send instead of look here on my laptop. this happened in february. this is really impressive. this is, you know, i go finally setting an example saying this is how we can be accountable. this is a way forward, this is how we have a difficult conversation. but that difficult conversation is not going to

a really big family in the u. k, which is the royal family. and i want to bring in a thought here. and this is from one of our contributors, differing ahmad who's very specific about the world family gaining from the transatlantic slave trade. i'm what they need to do now today have a nice and have a look. the demonic g amended government of the united kingdom, a. my friends, nicole and let's caribbean governments improve in people. that the knowledge and v apologize for the rollers, they played in the traffic in the end slip mountain colonized vision of african people, send it to send that. and they must also sort of list putting this to the invitation . okay, we're going to cover that. the end to negotiations for

a social and economic way. power driver just just package the zion, to repair the damage was the cranes against humanity that they committed. oh, so much conversation happening on the issue right now. it's not just the caribbean countries, that is of an apology. with a 10 u. k, we have to make amends on the id that we should see. not case of indian decision making the apology when he comes from, or his defendants come from a country that was also colonized. was a little bit tricky for him to do. so that probably is where the top don't think is going on. nor do you think the british royal family is ready to have this conversation about in slight people and how wealthy they all because of it. i am certainly maybe the beginning of the conversation. yes. and if you look at was when he was prince of wales, the now king said, i want to use it, come off heads of government summit and could call a last year. he said this conversation about slavery and britain's historic links

to is one whose time has come. he also said that he was working to defend his own understanding of the painful impact and legacy of slavery. so i know that those was, may not sound revelation. re file for the real time here in a society that was all coming. the queen could say, now we know is king at, you know, the, the rule of thumb is consigned to the gold in that the king is supporting academic research into the wall family. have links to insight by so then what does he do when he finds out, you know, the well documented paths and they're all link some more research around, been doj and we have so much more to talk about. but we will do that on another episode. but for today, i thank you very much for being guess on the stream. thank. give us your input as well. take care everybody. see you next time the,

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