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find us where ever you get your pod cast. a will ridge of 5 or the one when another turn the circus leader, and has got a much needed endorsement from a nationalist party leader that will, that make a difference in sundays funnel and what impact will it have onto the keys future? this is inside store the hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much i'm showing. an entire era of turkish politics has been defined by president ridge of type air, the one his challenger, kamala police, federal lou is his polar opposite, both in personality and politics. but as we reach sundays closely, font run off election, both candidates are now turning to nationalist groups to widen their base. the struggling economy inflation and the devastating aftermath of february is

earthquakes, are all pressing issues. but it appears nationalism could be a defining factor in the selection. we'll explore that and other issues with our guests in a moment. but 1st, this report, my country a lopez hold on. just a few days left before sundays run a selection circus president redid type air to one appears confident to score another when the thoughts drove to increase his chances. his turn to hardly nationalist like cnn on the 3rd, please candidate didn't make it to the next round. of voting, but with a tight race ahead his supporters could shift the balance is a team that it can just to them that i invite all high to to back this in the 1st round to now support mr. ed. one in the runoff election. the opposition is feeling the pressure and is also looking to nationalist groups for support. can mulkey like that or who has adopted a most tried in tone in recent weeks embracing an anti immigrant rhetoric pick.

it's a risk that could alienate many kurtz who supported him in the 1st round, a voting brother had it just says, i'm addressing everybody out there, but we did not find o homeland on the street. we will not leave a homeland to this mentality that allows 10000000 irregular migrants to come amongst us. the analyst suggests the opposition under estimated voters, sense of nationalism. some may criticize president air to one's policies, but many see him as a strong leader in the dish. all i have hard one gets 5560 percent, even 70 percent. i loved him. what more can this man do for this country? unfortunately, we have so many ungrateful people. some of the president's critics say he is not a democratic leader. it, you know, a lot has changed since the last presidential election in 2018. our freedom is limited, were prevented from expressing ourselves on air to one's ties with russian president

vladimir putin and makes many western governments on easy along with the rising influence of the turkish military across the region. but many of his supporters appear to welcome it with both candidates turning towards the national. this groups to win some question, what effect this will have on how to key it is government in the next 5 years. katia lopez again for insights story. all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guess they're all joining us from turkey and it's tumble. mimic jelic editorial coordinator at the deal is about newspaper in about like a c or what are the dog and the vice chairman of the opposition democracy and progress party and also in this tumble topic. oh is lou professor of international relations and the dean of the faculty of science and ours at assemble. i didn't university a warm welcome to you all and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story.

sorry, let me start with you today. um, how much has nationalism turned out to be a defining factor in this election cycle? i think that's the key issue of this process. i think within the 1st shop of the election is the all of us remember quite clearly. yeah. to on the, to the presence of is use this, and i do all these, you quite efficient this successfully, but it, the shuttle was somehow quite steep on this point. so he post, you get very much all lights and they come to the base that the g. but at the end of the day, we have seen the results supporting the extreme nation. that is because of the add on additional i could be spending a little delay to the donnell has shifted supp, coach to the nation. that is, and then very much talking about the idea that if i come to the presidency, i clicked on tea that this arrival of the state will be issued. i will deal with the problem of exemption successfully. i tell people lead through all kinds of problems because in call the recent years. so it's,

it's mission of the same as it will difficult, ideal. but she is become very much i'll go and buy cars shuttle only keep sites. so it was only the case that as long this proved that he's at mess that for the patient and, and so using the nation of the size of issues 5 because tests for the core issue in this, the process concerns the immunization issue. the fact that police showed all the has to say to the support of, oh stop it, stop one of the leaders of the 5, the simple equation shifting it's is supposed to to probably shut all the speech or it starts the nice that you saw in the nation allies, i will be in the much difficulty should preserve it's quite often the immunization letters, so you can call and told me that was the message. it goes shuttle that has been given the topic. i'll get back to you a little bit later about what you were addressing with regards to come. all kiddos stood, although in the fact that he's allied himself with national list of figures at this

point. but, but 1st i want to ask you about the fact that the nationalist hard line candidate, the scene on, on he'd receive a surprising 5.2 percent of the votes in the 1st round. and he has now endorse president air to one. do you believe that his voters are going to follow his lead and give his votes to air to one, give their votes there to one? i think it's a, the number of questions on the watch is in a position to say that it's a sound, the person's sure that's supposed to so far. darn good shift to pay, support the shots. you know, i'm gonna shoot the president back on. you will sit on the law was the saying, that's the there's something wrong with andros, pull the see. so i'm contenting for i, i'm a competitor. he dislikes, come and extend it, and it should not forget the fact that none along has been supported by other parties. it's a lights, so you should not see the last uh seat on the lawn is the only guy who used to the defense of the vaults. he's a law, you say the cit, you,

you should also put them into context with this kind of it as right. so bottom important. got those thought shifty to watch the crew shut over and it all the deport them guys, you know, on shifting towards that visit are gone. it has, has make everything much more complicated than it used to be. so if you're not in a position to say that all of a sudden on the last report, this is the flaw to president are the moment at, at a time when the scene on all on the has been caused by many analysts, potentially a king maker in the election cycle i want to ask you get your perspective about if you believe that that on a has the kind of powerful party apparatus behind them that would enable him to ensure that his voters, or those who voted for him support air to one rather than skip the run off as well . i, i agree with the, with the previous speaker that you know mr. on was voting. the potential is

not similar to other candidates where they can actually lead that lead of mass and then direct them to a certain direction on how to, to school, to support. i think it, you know, his, his voter base is very high, tara didn't genius and it's not home or i'm a genius. i think the sense that there is no there. he doesn't even represent a party in that sense. so. busy it is very difficult to see where his voting will will be directed to his border base will be directed to on the, on the, on the case of nationalism. i think we have to differentiate between nationalism and we understand it also in the west or in europe versus the new nice wilcher nationalist tendencies on the rise, particularly due to rise of i mean, due to the presence of a human refugees. busy for the past decade. so i think classifying president, hired on, or mr. i do, on has, has, in this leader with that has been capitalizing on very well. so,

nationalistic policies, i think it would be missed on me. i think this representation of as border base to begin with. and also i think we should differentiate between his nationalism, which i think it's very reactionary. it's a, it's a, it's a petri. it isn't anything in the face of threats, security threats, for example, or the western dictation on, on turkish policies versus zip codes for nationalism, which has been the case and with this election, which has both mr. how do i have mr. custodial? i have been trying to appeal to, i think, the king maker, whether that's seen on a line or whatever it is, these reactionary or roles are national as voice. it's something that we have to perhaps discuss and debate and, and clark clar, clarify so. and if he, if he is a king maker that his, that will be something that we have to answer by answering whether he has the ability to direct all his folder base or that 5 an odd percentage towards one

candidate or not. i'm not sure if he has that ability and he himself or also says that he's not 100 percent. sure whether his all, his borders will be directed towards. ready either candidate, if you was to align with one of the moment, let me just follow up on something you're saying you're talking about trying to differentiate. i believe you were saying between nationalism and alternation was a mind. i'm trying to understand it precisely how you're delineating this as well. because if you have both of the major candidates, if you have president air dwan and you have come ok listed, all of that are both align themselves with figures of the old for nationalist parties. you know, who are taking anti migration and anti refugee stances. weird is that put them along the spectrum going into the 2nd round book. the anti refugee they or anti migrant tendencies, has been very loud in did turkish media and the turkish coal takes the whole though

we have to underline that this is not the general sentiment of to target society. and i'm making a differentiation between the old from nationalist, which i've been, you know, and which have been described as king maker in this election and the petri to the citizens or voter base, which both mr. crushed our law. and mr. had one has in their voter base, so there that has to be that differentiation. but i think more crucial is that. and the reason why this was new and from that was for national was tendencies. have been the king make or is that they both don't align themselves with both mr. crushed or old mr. of mr. ad on any of the system works 50 plus one or every vote towns. every segment of the society becomes very crucial. hence why mr. kush total for example, is, has was, was able to attract the orders of the, of the, the courage or the h d p. and at the same time, an old from national this, like mr. images on his side. i think both crushed of mr. calisto and mr. ad on his

trying to target every single votes in this new system that is which is 50 plus one becomes very, very crucial to have and, and now that is in, in the state, you know, for both mr. custodial that mr. ed on. there is this fine line where whether they are voters will go to ballad boxes and the 2nd round one for mr. add on. i think there is a sense of success being, you know, the number one alliance and the parliament middle apartments are coached or the status of the fee. so these are 2 calls which could perhaps lead to their folder base not to to go to the ballot box so that i think that those, those voters are the king makers rather than some of the marginal or, or, or some of this new world for nationalist tendencies, we're all good. let's go back almost 2 weeks a. let's take a look at the lead up to the 1st round. i want to ask you from your perspective, did the opposition under estimate how much of a role nationalism would play in this election and voters sense of nationalism as

well? of course nationalism are what's called the effect of the sort of changing is your misses mr. c. on all of us, it made it made a difference. and i think the participation also was the surprising because the delta between these that are the distinguished at home is 2.5. me didn't was that is over 18 then people did not vote. so if you're thinking about it, if it's that big, almost 12 people did not vote for neither should either mr. commercial or for. that is a delta is $2.00. so there's almost 5.5 dies, as many people as the delta is missing and about this for me to talk with the issue . so i think that was the and potentially missing lynch employees and others besides the focus on both sides over the last 2 weeks. has been don't either, but i do think mr. hong himself or his realtors, or by during the week through the park. he understood it was up there which support to sit on and the 1st shots automobile loves me more. so i think that's the best

other than the nationalism. i agree with the few speakers in a sense that this is a typical marginal loss as to the situation the to chat. it is close to 50 percent but not quite. and the missing walters, the marginally walters, and is believed to be the present, the part of nash to moments. so therefore they are catching toward adults. it doesn't mean that it is a gentle jump towards the nationalistic moments. because if you think about the. ready parties for preventative measures, parking strikes that used to be true in the previous election, b and m h b and there's 3 now, right, e m h b and the parking their total was around today between one percent. and now it's around 10 to 23 percent. so there's my job. search in the know the bottom 2 drops just moment, right? 32 percent increase the marginally walter theory behavior of the bad nationalism. all right, but let me ask you this. the fact of the matter is that chemically civil, who has it, has really changed his tone in recent weeks. i mean,

he had cultivated this very sort of grandfatherly image, you know, and right, he's stepped up his anti migrant, his anti refugee rhetoric. you, you, yourself talked about the endorsement from the victory party, doesn't this risk alienating, perhaps a substantial part of his base, especially many curds who supported him in the 1st round. i mean, it wasn't that could have been a potentials but it does not tell you, right. if you look at. ready declination probably various people, they are sending those to mr. close general. i mean he's the grandfather, the image or the unifying, the, the. ready was direct image in a sense that he is the candidate for a man of broke publishing, right? they bring together the various parties to various moments on the 10th. so this almost to the natural expression of his personality august for all this book character as are the be all of us history presented. ready need to order presenting your brother likes so that's almost never better than the 2nd is stressing his security credentials and on sunday,

megan paul for 2 reasons. why the kind of government affecting on those fronts and sometimes bucket and images. sometimes it makes you feel like it should start, so i think he is on the score and goals, traditions as a on thought to arisen strong national security leadership. so i think that's wrong . and to is, as i've described, the margin of what it is there. so it's talking about me, you called the project motor segment, just like to present the self is doing. i felt a bit to mr. all. so i can that are being understood by various workers. so there may be some marginal reactions for the broader multi base, like for 45 percent, which is is, is basic water base. and the 1st law really strong is understanding what he's doing . so i don't expect a significant backlash the bible to his actions or reason to we target um, no matter who wins up prevailing in the run off will the strong performance of the nationalist in these elections pull the turkish government policy further to the

right in the years to come, do you think that will be the impact of this? if you're asking this question in the context of how to before them all the smart people in the chicago, i can look for on the person and say that so keep them commercial. those are because a lot of different countries are such as china and russia and digital c, close the non western powers as right. but this also suggests that the, this will have a doctor. so hockey, the attendance, usually domestic politics and become much more visible. let them take a look at this will. some of the transitional, such kind of need is to maintain the power of power in an extra 0 countries and use the com. i will show the channels is suggest that you are wrong. this is an action . and if you notice in the pull, the people might be able to continue to tell me date after before, which domestic politics to some extent, to some extent, to some degree. but we should not forget the fact that moment. normally the visual

difficult rivals will contend this. this does not make sure the most important question facing the focus nation to use because it will be rejected off this economic crisis on how to, to improve somehow solutions with less than powers. it is for them policy. so a leader, this speaks very much the part is about finding a solution for the problem. and also if to destroy the policy, the context of much better relations with the additional less than allies, ah visa, quite successful. these are the key issues are facing the doctors to special ed action. i think let me also say something about the place you had told me to. busy put to other speakers, may i say something about that? go ahead. i think it could be shuttled. it has used a poor decisions to talk to you on the way to, to run off. this was court, the officers pull the stuff that you show the on the way to the for shotwell

finishes us speaking shop a library and very much. and the focus will be calling because john paid for produce us have to disprove. and uh, we shuttle this. so he had to change his position. i should also on the line and not to see he, she has been over saying that this is the kind of election is just kind of the featured on turkey. so he was saying that the just does have the full so codes, right? does that go out like this as the 4th or so i bet a of the forces and hopefully this is a very much fuller. i can pull that position base itself as you do, i'll just use a subsystem because as you see all the in the pass, this is also course important that each month pay some digits of the upcoming elections. and finally, the post as a not as equally shuttle that has the interest of the spot space that the normal youtube charles and the tv that you want the name of your channel and a huge receive questions for all the hearts, the law. so for this,

and he just wants us to search for questions the, the explaining to my mentor that they can get past. i see the constitution even. that means that i can give something back. i will need to pass if you gave me the chest. i prove that i, i know my lessons so i will become the test as opposed to a whole issue of a such problems. it's starting to use my face. uncle just doesn't seem to use the search. that's the the moment whether we wanted to find some of these figures as nationalist or ultra nationalist facts the matter is there had been new alliances forged by president. are the one with figures who are hard line figures on the right. many of them anti migration, anti refugee figures. i want to ask you about the new alliances that have been made, and how that re aligns turkish politics going forward if president air the one prevails in the run off. how much does that impact the political landscape, answer key going forward?

well, it is no secret that there is a new to get and that has been really developed and there is a new to kid that has become a big, influential actor independent in its region. and also international community, international politics. and i think with this new to kia, it's internal dynamics of also change. and i think one of the reasons i mean this whole political spectrum or this new, as you call, you know, this is nationalism or new alliance has be around nationalism have shape is the fact that there is a huge. busy refugees, some 5000000 refugees in cherokee which has shape. it's clear and it will contribute to shipping. it's the domestic politics in one way or the other and know it has shaped its economy in one way or the other. but with this new to kia in this region and then new power and globally, for example, when it comes to the defense industry for in that has been very popular in the

recent years. it's political dynamics of also change. so there's, you know, this new sense of new to a kid that has shaped political as psyche of the society that the, you know, created new alliances, new movements, new parties, and new sense of unity. in the face of some of the external threats. beads is as long as it's of the southern border, which celia in northern syria or beads in the east med, for example, where to q has to protect its interest or beat in libya. so there's these new dynamics that are affected by economy by the social issues like refugee issue or by security issues, that internal dynamics of i mean, internal politics have been using and utilizing. ready that instrument to form these alliances and how these will play out in the future, i think will also depend on this. maintaining this new to,

to whether to care is going to be, you know, one that is, becomes a mirror, pop it off the west or turns it's back to the east or all is it's eggs in one basket, or whether it is going to diversify its eggs. and partners and you know, then on the one side of the maintains tried to maintain some relations when to us, on the other hand, try to broker a deal between russia and ukraine when it comes to the grand. for example, on global social security. it's all these new rules on cherokee a shoulder course ultimately affect is domestic dynamics, domestic political dynamics, domestic social cohesion, and then, and through this new equation, a new new the atmosphere is emerging. i think these political lines is, are partially due to these new the nations that 2 key has been holding into in the past 2 decades. target present air to one strong or stronger than

expected showing in the 1st round really surprised a lot of the pollsters. who had predicted a different outcome. how did pollsters get this so wrong? this the question which proves to be extremely difficult to answer because many posters have assume, i guess the people, the tradition looked. busy will pretty much they can take off all mazda is what they call the nutrition we ever call. it has to be it. the, my vision problem is on the day in today. so key. i'm also thinking that the people are you said the gym or not comfortable because she i wouldn't be much value pulled up because i sent him a rise for the weekend. could you see that association next to it is much more oh my social digital sonata than homer equipment because so identity based politics is . busy focused on additional. busy and the concerns over short of viral as an h e. and still curious if an ad on the meeting that go, okay,

he might have done something bad and just confused. but you know that when he was given the opportunity, he took this in just a minute excluding the past. so he could just keep his access 30 of them to have a give us enough, a chest for watching, such kind of phone situations that have been largely on the estimate this or it was fine. me that their post a conference. and so this is going to much important and tardy. i'm sorry to state the topic. i'm sorry. i'm sorry to interrupt you were we are starting to run out of time. we just have about 2 minutes. i don't want to ask you, if mister can listed all the word to prevail in the run off. how difficult would it be for him to unite his alliance after the election? how tough would that be? i think that's the key question. even joseph, is that the one who's on the line and is it for you to watch say that, okay, the nation airlines costs are still 6 political parties as well as it was the highest of all this. so reaching consensus would be extremely difficult within this quantity. sometimes she has some questions on that. and also it also difficult to

mike as always, if we have addresses them coming from particular law, you spot the problems come from. i know that the law used to have this to the agencies give a call to each other. this is an extremely difficult question to answer that sort of a shuttle look in the face increasingly difficult striation. and then he was given the opportunity to build the country because reaching consensus is not a part of the thirty's political culture. i'm moving on. consensus is very much the quiet integration dokie particular court. it's difficult to an issue because it says something to be unable to coach by the part of this thing. all right, we've run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to our guest . mehmet jelic and the topic always look and thanks also to what dougen he was with us earlier and had to leave the program early. thanks to you also for watching you can see the program again any time visiting our website out here at com. and further discussion go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com,

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