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rest of the benefits. 3rd time foot package, president bush at title one. you cannot make problems at home and sign in st. east, west relations office just to a james challenges whose faces. so what does are the ones we election name? 4 tech key and for the wider world. this is inside story, the hello and welcome to the program. i'm for the bad people. it went to a run, all 5 to very tide. first round about rush up type bird one has the much the clear winner of turkey is presidential election after overcoming probably the biggest political challenge he's ever faced. he will help his 3rd term will further tightened. his grip on power. opponents have expressed as may with the poll results,

starkly reflecting deep political divisions in the country. a key play between east and west turkey is relations complex, such as a nato member, also being on good terms with russia will be exploring what are the ones we election may mean for the country shortly. but 1st hash, i had a buyer, a non correct, tells us what some of the most pressing issues are, the knowledge that has been re elected and secure as a comfortable majority of the parliament. the next 5 years would be a defining bowman for president of play. it adds on continue to face a wide range of issues such as the economy which has been declining over the last 2 years. and on this, many of us expect to return to economic or follow up, see why he should give the central bank give us say in the future, we also need to rebuild the entire cities devastated by the us quake. something which is going to cost $1000000000000.00 to do that. it would have to build bridges

with the us and the u. his ties with the international community. how strange over the last 2 years. but hes giving indications that he is willing to mend fences, particularly when he bought the applied valence bits. and so i need to widely seen as a sign that he wants stronger relations with the west and exchange for more financial support to be able to fix the economy and to in the rebuild. the city is that what diverse states as by the s like president, the laws of the avalon told his people, but now he's looking forward to move forwards and you need flights. everyone who voted for him. so the voted for the opposition. we'd have to wait and see whether he was able to deliver one of those promises twin size 45 by as is here. well, let's take a closer look at the child and just president are the one faces as he begins is new

term in office. turkey is economy is in crisis with its people struggling with the high cost of living. the turkish lira has lost nearly 340 percent against the us dollar during the 5 years of present data once last term. and inflation is running at more than 50 percent. critics blame are the one for refusing to raise interest rates. the president also faces the huge task of uniting a de paula rice nation. the opposition has criticized his government. ford stands on the syrian refugees, or the one has accused his rival of siding with kurdish fighters that his party regard says terrace. millions of people in the southwest of turkey, still living in makeshift homes, opted to devastating earthquakes in february. present data on has promised to prioritize the building in those areas. now what are the ones victory? turkey is foreign policy is also in the spotlight. nato members, i hoping i'm correct will allow sweet and into the military lines. to key has

blocks sweden's application, other one says the country hasn't met all of turkey is demands. took is described as the bridge between europe and the middle east, but its relations with russia have unsettled western powers. it has close ties with moscow, but also provides military aids to ukraine. took us foreign policy over the years, has expanded this global influence. it's intervened militarily across the middle east, africa, and to europe. last year, anchor house broke or a deal that ended russia's located on ukraine grade supplies. the wireless springing, i guess, now for today's inside story and assemble is helene. sorry. our tim associate professor of international relations that a stumble made any yet. university in peterborough is been harry's founder and editor in chief of b, and e in telling news. and, and he stumbled as well as on every political advisor and president of the drago

mind strategies, a warm welcome to all 3 of you. thank you so much for joining us on inside story, nor and assemble. let me start with you please. in his victory speech president or the one called for unity and solidarity with 48 percent of turks voting for change. how is the going to unite such a polarized country when he extend an olive branch to the opposition as well? i mean, is the speech which is now known to be as, as is common speech. did start with uh, you know, expressions of that he will need to everyone's support and everyone coming together to achieve the goals of the, the next century. he has, as he pretty much, you know, labeled a trick is next a model going into the 2nd 100 years of, of detective should public. as far as the, the numbers that he has gotten. i do realize that in the last 2 presidential

elections, 20142080, this is not much difference except for maybe a decimal or 2 more ad on the 5240 splits has been there, at least since 2014 how is the going to bring those 48 percent of charts or didn't vote for him on board? well, 1st of all, the 1st 2 rounds of the 1st 2 times there were no 2nd rod. there were no rentals. i mean, the 1st one, the 2nd one was them it listen a he has been battling both. typically i guess everybody, turkey, all the entire opposition which are uh, which are, you know, they're like, they have night. most of these guys that got together on the cruise tours was candidacy and they got together just to get it looked at the one i think he was battling against everybody else. he's still in the 1st one was able to, uh, you know, surpass the shuttle to buy more than almost more than 5 points. which is pretty much the about 4 points now. more than 20,

close to 20 after the world's just over 2000000 was this time. so i don't necessarily, i don't know if you can call that pullers ation. ah, you know, because most of the presidential races in countries with presidential systems, this is basically, i mean, you was probably the costs are just a, let's live if it wasn't the us. ok. so like what i thought we try and stop. yeah. i mean, what are your thoughts on this on or says this isn't the country that's polarized necessarily. and the president or the one as victory is a decisive one, it is decisive. if it's not polarized, it's usually about points. first of all that it does, this is not a polarized country. and how does the one do nights attacks today? it? oh, well, oh, but it isn't paula rice country unfortunately. and this trend is a global trends. so turkey is not the only example in which it follows the station is guessing higher and higher. we see the same strand in the united states. so we see a similar trend in most of the european countries as well inside. they are all societies

. actually, people are trying to decide about the faith about their faith, about their future avail, living and, and in terms of this perspective, we see that took us to side to is somehow split into 2 because one side is quite sick and we're in liberal and the other side is quite conservative as well as the nation, unless we have seen them with this issue to rise or to or cushion nationalism. especially in this last couple of fix. in the 1st and 2nd vandal state presidential elections. and especially the presence of ad on a policy, the for this election was mainly based on a technician to some right. i'm not sure whether it be helpful if the turkish society i'm into a position part is feeling themselves as terms of turkish nation, unless that's much because the narratives that the we are the one of his party that

are the one on his part is using is mainly taking its truth from history from ultimately passed from the computer. and so if somebody from the fast could a taught in 2006 c. so it's mainly of about the conservative pest as well as a very touched national as past. okay. uh, before i bring in the bandage of the conversation, no, nor, i'm going to allow you to respond to what to lee and just said, and also ask you about what present dirty wind is going to be now towards his policy is going to be towards the nationalist and he reached out to them during the campaign of course is that trend going to continue as well? yes. a realize is number once important particularly is the the nationalist mh p party who was, is the 2nd oldest party in jerk. here he has been collaborating with them under the same cooperation for at least 67 years. and there is old indications that he will continue. so i don't think there is going to be any difference in approach as far

as he's concerned. his policies are concerned. when it comes to, you know, feeling very close to that of those nations views. and as i said, the, i think colors ation is, is really mistaken. and in turkey, as opposed to anywhere else, people here that the, as soon as the race is all of the elections of our people just aren't going about their ways. let's not, you know, mistake the wars going gotten the social media between the parts or the polarized parts as they call and what's the direct them to the public. we have more than half my family is extremely opposed to uh, to are doing a lot of my friends are we have no problem with this. okay. when you're talking about polarize, what's a good size and true care? a i don't think it's the same thing as most outside of to us out to pier would understand to be. so let's get bens thoughts on this. ben. do you expect now i'm much more conciliatory. tone and approach from present data, one not at the election is over. will he be more focused on uniting the country?

and i don't think so. i mean, at a gun is all about pamela and if he wants his career, um, as the rose uh set up the heck potty um that has just won his policy. um, but that was based in his mind. conservative values and we'd be talking about, hey, upon our eyes, i should, i think it's better to describe it as a divided country and it's symptomatic of its place in your opinion, right on the edge and off the countries looking east to, to the world and the other half is looking to europe. and so i think is that a little that, you know, and again, his lead this, this sort of conservative islamic nationalistic timesheets campaign. where is the opposition, the republican people's party. and this is the positive aspect, the founder of the mountain states, and it was very much committed to the, to, to liberal secular states. when we, my correspondence in 50 bucks for young people,

young, professional liberals. and they look into the, to the west. they look into europe and many of them said that if the country continues to go down this increasing the conservative power that they would leave, they were up 6 and ago. and i think that's the issue here is that it's not polarized. so much is divided between these 2 different ideas of where the country should go and the country just to then add a gun, which means is going to go down that more socially conservative, more religious orientated line that i had done before. the reconciliation is trying to bring those to pass together. um it doesn't really, they don't really fit. right. okay. so to 2 different ideas you say bin of where to take turkey and let me come to you not or know and talk about the immediate challenges, domestic challenges that present go on faces. and that is, of course, the struggling turkish economy. one of the main one, what are we going to see in terms of economic policy? what we see a, you turn from present or the one on some of his will controversial economic

policies to do with the skyrocketing innovation. why he gets a lot up to so up as an add on one thing you gotta give him though he's, he's a, he's a leader, he's, he's a full decal. figure that actually is, keeps a very good beats all the of the public up the, or the citizens. so the p. s. a change things around the him so he will, he will do it right away. right now it's no, no for secret. that's the church academy has been under heavy fire problem, you know, especially from the west and that it has been, you know, it has since it's the only shoes that that's been going along going along for a long time. but the thing is, uh, despite all of these, despite the, the big war right next to us, despite the troubling economy in, especially in western europe, which is our biggest export partner. and despite the fact that the usa is, is really struggling financially, i think to k is holding. it sounds pretty good. now, how long can can we,

can we last and how long penny can get this point? we will have to say, but we're quite sure is definitely has definitely problems or better days economically for the entire purpose population better does. it cannot likely i'm going to see him change his policy on, on these low interest rates. i don't think so. okay. i don't, i said he is actually that and the, and, and there is lot of uh, you know, despite the very heavy uh, you know, media against him on this. there's actually lot of papers coming out as it has been before i try and you know, maybe questioning what he was doing was wrong. well, while it really wasn't raising interest rates for him to lower the interest as, but as i said, this is a, this is a very debatable issue. okay, well, 4 hours. and now let's, let's hear from ben who want us to jump in on that. ben, what do you think about the economic policies? what we see him deviate from these and also to all sort, some would say an orthodox policies you've had on the economy. the. this is

a massive understatement. he's convinced the southern entity with bloomberg, that issue lower interest rates, the central bank. then you bring inflation down with flies in the orthodoxy cuz it's the other way around. and you mentioned that it took, he's got 50 percent inflation. um, we think those numbers are highly massaged and that is much higher. and yet he's reduced to the central bank is reduced interest rate is by $500.00 basis point 5 percent, which is insane. so the currency is gone from 3 later to the dollar down to 20. now and the i'm going to saying that there's going to be another. now the elections are over now that this, this central bank is going to like go to some of the controls because as to, there's a, another 25 percent evaluation. and at the same time, the reserves of better sleep run out because they've been trying to help their a stable before the elections. and at the same time, so he's running a working $50000000000.00 a year trade deficit. and this is all on the sustainable. so okay,

truck is heavy or is in a massive economic crisis already. so manifesto, right, yeah, payment ending. they are indeed concerns that the tech is central bank can continue to prop up the layer press and go to one has said he is the one who can deal with this economic crisis. do you believe that as well? we can. uh, i think i assume the surface society, it adds the majority of the parts, the 5th, actually both this statement and the underlined. they are support for avalon, that's the he is the one who is going to sold every kind of problem and as well. but also we also have to understand as to the most of the society also things best to get the economy is that we have problems, but at the same time, a huge this year. and so then i'll position, call them and change this idea evolved as long. there's a huge trust on him as the strong man. and we also have to underline that the big

cities are different from the other local parts. so from the tools. yeah, and the main parts of the most are coming from one or 2 of the small seat cities, local places in which the people are not suffering as much as those people living in big cities regarding the high inflation regarding the high events and so on. for this reason, we can assume that the prism are the ones made and so forth is coming from no tools . yeah, not just the big cities masterful mentor, falls like is some long cut in is no. there are, there will be problems. there will be a hard time handle foss. everybody accepts that the only difference between the old position and as on so forth is that the, the people want dorothy, who are supporting ad on a rebate, to suffer much more just to save him as the leader. because most of these people are also thinking that this is a kind of western game being played against or tube. so high inflation is

a part of these because i'm tied to t resort, right? as president trump in the past, for example, who use the sun. so said he has the, the ability to play with turkish things, the economy does with a switch off for this reason menu of the people are thinking that this is actually responsible, the 2 of the rest and right i and as one is the right person. okay, okay, before we talk about what we can expect on the international stage, i wanted to touch on the issue of the syrian refugees and our new will come to you about this presenter to on his promise to send back 1000000 syrians over the next few years is this feasible? is this possible or was that just campaign rhetoric? he actually said he will set the stage and livable to main stage for a 1000000 people to go back to syria. and as it was a just an hour. so i think a couple of weeks before the elections, there was a deal uh or

a collaboration i should say, rather made with the state of car to build uh, you know, housing and, and, and all the social surroundings of it. and for, for a 1000000 refugees to go back to f, we stayed the, the, the controlled and the safe part of syria. so yes, he said me, you know, when he is the warranty, we'll send them back. e, always very careful about that. he said he will set the stage and do all the necessary, make sure that the, all the necessary things are done for them to go back and really, and that's really the difference between the ad on and everybody else a been your thoughts about the issue of syrian refugees, presumably the europeans, are happy that are the one is still in power because he's been able to deal with the syrian refugee crisis and perhaps not allow the refugees to get into the european union. how. how do you see this evolving now? that has been re elected. well, he's, he's been very pragmatic. he's been using it as a cod. i mean, the reason why of your opinions, but happy that they didn't sign up in europe was that you're paid billions of

dollars in order for him to keep them. and in that sense, he's been very transactional in a lot of his phone relations is becoming transactional. about what do you can get out of it. and he uses the issue of refugees as a car that he can buy in order to extract concessions from europe in the form of cash. and in the middle east, there's a reconciliation going on rapidly at the moment that some ryan and saudi arabia i've just mentioned, trends is after 9 years long diplomatic relations. the same thing with syria itself is just being re admitted to the arab league. right. and so here is these many and refugees that scotty comply with that. and i think he's going to be very careful about it. but he definitely because of is relatively poor relations with europe in the sense that he's been trying to get you. and he's never been able to debit that he's also looking to the east, the middle east, as well, in order to have the upper hand right now. but i'm sorry to interrupt you,

but who has the upper hand now in the relationship between turkey and the e u. n. easy still interested in getting to the your communion, given the strange relations with see but he see me and david granted in what was the lights i t h 9 and 99 to 9 given candidate status and they'd be left in the waiting room. have a sense that i think he said in 2017, these basically given up on it because method has alpha jamming chassis that happens at tech, you will navigate to it. so i think it's clear, it's not box the use remains. imagine markets um and tech is very interested in that, so it wants to maintain those good relations. but at the same time, there's no no line thing going on that's being led by china and russia. and he's also interested in doing that. and i see, i think he sees himself in the middle of the spider's web with good relations with relations to the east. yeah. and he and versus with the middle east as well. right . so, i mean, again, which issue is a comp plan that game? okay. henry, let me ask you about the relationship now with the east and west present drive. the

one has got one foot a nato, but he's also got one foot turned towards moscow towards russia. is this a position that's tenable in your view? yeah, this will continue and this is in total harmony with searches for additional for in the policy. of course it's a balancing act since the very beginning goes to the fall they for this reason, especially in the last couple of years we observed that's an add on. and his party is going to kind of fructose one, with many of the neighboring confusing, including syria. we are getting closer with egypt with the golf countries with united arab emirates. so they r o b a. they will grease in the west and disrupt 1st one will continue because this is quite beneficial for thursday at calling on. we think we need this to approach model with the neighboring countries and as well as this they also, this is a very important to improve churches so popular, which was close to a great expense with the increase of the hard power,

especially in the syrian civil war. i also expect that there will be soon, there will be a kind of for hands shaking between as a one and assault in serial. and i thing if so if you can manage that and the problem of serial breakfast chose the references could also be sold quite clearly quite easily by sending them back all sort of freshman with the assault to machine . okay. or nor elaine said she expects a hand shaking between or the one and syria is a side very so what about the relationship with washington d. c. and ne tools. so, i mean, one of the point of tensions with nato has been turkey agreeing for suite and to join the military alliance. you see that happening and how does the relationship with biding now move forward? and i'm just uh, make caves throwing a little little fact to a previous inmate that to me a very i'm just spite comments that turkey is. b 2 k is being made. it looks like

the sheet that she is a sort of using the car to gas here up to get money. turkey only receive just over $6000000000.00 from the european union. in exchange, turkey has spent more than $45000000000.00 on the syrian refugees. so to call to kia, holding this is a stake against you are up to get money is, is 1st on based, and 2nd, be very on. just going back to what happens with nato, i guess when you say neighbor, you really talk, we're really talking about the united states. i don't know why the nest has a site. no one has really come up to date as to why by the end to a degree, a trump in his in his last year or 2. what so hostile or gastric yet no one has really come up with an answer or an explanation as to why k was not delivered. the f 35 said it was that she paid for or no one was able to explain why i

took care was asked was from the after the 5 program. you know, once is single sided leave without any reason. and a guess all the, you know, contracts that has been signed. so i think uh, what happens next uh, between the relationship that direction or to relationship really depends on the uh, by the registration and the united states government acts. i think the burden is up on them to make them as next move. what about uh, the a session of suite into nato. uh or no. well presenter, the one now except to ratify. swede is the session now that the election is over a look. it's no secret that these are mostly political decisions, but should i add on, put the, you know, in, in the beginning it put up, put a very straightforward. so you know, statements out there that the international recognized service organization is they do something above it. and that he will, he will continue and if they don't,

the face, you know, continue to harvard, these terrorists, or, you know, maybe some are not accepted as parents every, every way, but some are high, are going said he will level but say you haven't said that i do understand that these are more political decisions, anything else? okay. then i'll give you the last word and allow you to respond to, to on or who was saying that it's not right to call turkeys relationship with the transactional and also get your thoughts about on the future of the relationship with washington and russia. at the same time, a well come together. this is, i mean i see is transactional in the sense that, you know, with the issue of sweden's membership night side of the turkey rolled over and accepted, sending straight away. but it's not like the saying and of those these, the kurdish people sponsor the p k k a. and a lot of those guys who've taken refuge in sweden and have you guys made it very clear that you need to a lift the sanctions that room posts us about 5 years ago and be need to expedite

these guys when we claim, or believe us as terrorist sweden, money as far as putting through a new terrorist always comes into effect on june 1st. and my understanding of it is that a anchor is waiting to see the effect of that and whether of any of these guys a p, k, k guys expedited back to turkey before he goes. and sikes of the agrees to nights those degrees to 2 nights of sweden joining night. so, as for washington, i mean yeah, they the issue with divided trust us made 5 digits is also being am i saw in the side and haven't been signed, but again that's part of the, the program with that was, it was separate because that again, i agree to buy this as for hundreds and see me sell system from russia, which is nominated so, and the americans took great exceptions for that to miss as well. so seeing those 2 things and this example both of edit campaign,

both sides. this was an example of him wanting to develop his own administrative capacity and not be totally dependent on night. so and okay, washington in our system said turkey as a team player, although as part of the alliance and is that again sits in the middle of playing both sides every time. and this is not in trouble. we, we're gonna have to leave it there. obviously there's still a lot of ground to cover in this conversation, but we'll leave it there for today. thank you so much to all 3 of you for joining us on inside story hearing. sorry, our time on your area and been ours. thank you. and thank you as well for watching . you can always wash as program again any time by visiting our website at all g 0 dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. and of course you can join the conversation on twitter handle is that a j inside story from me for the black people and the whole team here in don't. thanks to watching bye for now. the

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