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in front of a han made another rare appearance. his 4th since finding began in mid april, between the army and the rapid support forces. he said that the reason the army agreed to an extension is to allow for service delivery. for those who isn't affected by any 2 months of fighting and but by what he described as violations by the rapid support forces. now people here don't have much hope in the ceasefire and it's extension. they say that never has there been a single say over the past 7 days, where there's been no fighting reports that between the army and the recess, there's been s, right? there's been heavy artillery out, fired in residential areas. and even the mediators themselves describe the sci fi as imperfect, but they say that it is necessary to deliver aid aid organization, say about 12 some aid was brought into the capital costume. its distribution due to the ongoing violence has been challenging and that many people have not been reached, especially in the modem, parts of the capital. how to now residents in the capital say that they're bracing
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themselves for more fighting. they don't believe that the ceasefire would actually help the fighting between the army and the rest of the day. hope that the extension would allow for more 8 to be deliberate for them to be able to lift easier. and they said that because of the scars that the of markets come in, market commodities and food commodities, they hope that aid reaches them sooner rather than later. he but morgan onto 0. i'm the man the just a quick enough it made stories have been following this hour and rushes president is accusing ukraine of terrorist activity of to several drones at civilian areas of moscow. i think the presents that this would as an attempt to scan and to provoke russia, mayor of the capital said several buildings were hit, but no one was seriously injured. he also said most of the drives were shut down, ukraine has denied any involvement. meanwhile,
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keith is saying that it's shut down moving 20 russian drugs. i say at least one person was killed in a 3rd round of russian strikes in 24 hours. meanwhile, the inside of the home again is your agency head. russell gross is presented as time to protect your cries, upper region nuclear power plant facility is currently on the russian control points include a bad on placing heavy military equipment and troops near the pond. in our all the headlines, nato is sending additional forces to cost of, of thousands of its troops have been injured while trying to prevent essex protest is from forcing their way into the offices of may is dozens of sub protest as well . also injured tensions in the northern costs involved in rising off, the ethnic albanians elective may as enforce majority municipalities, the subs in boy cause if that vote the turn out was only 3 and a half percent fighting between saddam's army and the power military rapids support forces is continued in cartoon off to
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a 5 day extension to humanitarians. these 5 extension was agreed on monday, just an hour before the truth was due to expire, more than a 1000000 people have been false from that homes. now those dropped into capital costs even get basic supplies, renew uh well on all of those stories a bit later on gonna have them use out about 19 minutes time. but to also couple of headline updates coming your way before that time. the stream is the program coming up next asking if just as for slavery, it's possible. one day i might be covering politics, the real life protocol, i think from serbia is a hungry. what's most important to me is talking to people, understanding what they are going through so that i can be the headlines in the most human way possible. we believe everyone has a story worth hearing. the
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the movement still paying reparations as being energized by a new group of activists. the as of slavery, some british defendants who have posted from the trans atlantic slave trade over the years i've got together to come painful, a positive justice. so on the show we will fund guy how that is possible. but professor much is catherine who will tell us why it is necessary? have a listen, have an action. so 23, when slavery was abolished and the bridge caribbean and marshes on the cape, 20000000 pounds was paid in compensation to the slave owners because they was seen as having lost what was called by property. they enslaved to men and women who they had bought or who would mean born in captivity on their estates, on about $20000000.00 pounds, which was paid out of tax pads, money. nearly 20000000 stayed in person. so that was
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a very substantial number of slave who knows in person who made substantial change on that money. and that for had a large caching flux about time. se reparations have been paid for the trans atlantic slave trade, but to the owners of in slave people, this sure was not about that. so i wouldn't know if you'll comment your questions for a panel because we're going to talk about how do you make up for worth a period of time in history? what do you do and what does it as of that inheriting? well, how do they handle it? that is, what i show is about today, comment section is right that have just the guess to take us to have this conversation. so with us from new york city, we have no chavarria and she is a co founder of as of slavery in london spectrum. labor and pay and chair of the applicant, reparations on the potty, parliamentary group about with barrow id and joining us from pittsburgh associate
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professor at carnegie mellon university. you, i'm yeah, i love how guess we all flipping the script normally and a conversation about reparations. that would be the descendants of the in slave being really, really furious about how nobody's taking them seriously. but nora, this completely changes the way that we talk about reparations in the way that you are coming into this conversation. how did it stopped? well, for me, thank you so much for having me on it such a pleasure to be here with your distinguished guests. and i will say that what we did as a family was just follow the roadmap that was laid out by carol. com. add in to government and organization of basically the bushes car been and i went to grenada to make a documentary about my family. slight binding pulse based on that u. c. l. data base of compensation records that you had, katherine whole talking about that that data base was put on line in about 2013.
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and then about 2016 a family member said to me, a radio, the john list you're supposed to be the family historian. did you know that the 2 volumes and at least 6 plantations in grenada and receive compensation for the 1000 in slaves? africans and bio ancestors abolition in 1834. and i knew none of this. then a closer black lives, massa and george floyd sitting here in new york city, covering the protests as a journalist. i had to know most. i went to good night of the bbc. let me make a documentary based on that documentary as a family. we'll also, what can we do? and we were led by a grenade as reparations committee and by the henry beckles, the chair of carol combs reparations commission. and he addressed all families to zoom and said, you must apologize for your on such as did it will have tremendous power and you'll lead by example. name is figure out what your repair, treat justice approaches and then all case it was to donate to the moment about
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110000 pounds to education products in good night. but i will say that we were led by the car been and now i look at the incredible well the bell. what has been been doing for some time in the commons, but now she's holding a legal party, parliamentary groups. that's momentum in britain and all hope is as of slavery is the britons gover. mobile engage in negotiations with carol, come on the basis of it's 10 point reparations pine which has existed since $24.00 team. so he just came out of a meeting. tell us about the meeting. no, i repeat, it's amazing because that would be that would be in 10. but tell us what the meeting was about and how do you feel right now about the idea of move people, not just governments, but more people recognizing universities, institutions, recognizing that reparations is the way to go. well i me to have just come out over is called what's called the legal case for reparations. and it was organized
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in partnership with my apologies. parliamentary, great, so after recreation and the day and they all the lawyers that actually acted full the mile mile of if can you in terms of the reparations that they, they received for the registration and the from, from, from bridge club new courses. now, and i think it's, it's amazing that we're seeing all of this activity right now. we'll have this option. and one of the things that came out of this meeting over then a really, really acts that laying out of the legal case where things were just talking about terminology. so we refer to slaves quite a lot of the time that people asking for us to refer to those that were enslaved as traffic africans. and you know, we were talking about language we're talking about who should be leading the charge, which was not the front that we have and the as of slavery. and that we have many, many allies in the struggle that making sure that people are,
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he's who all the defendants will while leading the charge. and that we don't get also to a situation which is unfortunately a card when we say in terms of international development, which is rather the coming industry instead of what, what was meant meant to become in terms of supporting people in the global style that we don't have a situation where people are being dictated to and as opposed to uh, you know, the victims meeting in what they see as, as proprietary. just because that would just be another for the vehicle. i mean, right. i have some with, uh, this is what we're doing for you. okay. any that? nope. that, nope, not a french note that broke jump. that's what makes you smiling at articulate just small energy. what do you make is? does this feel like it's a real movement that's covering some momentum? i definitely think so, and i'm thrilled to know that this work is being done. and i'm also thrilled to see who's at the forefront of the work. and i'm also very happy to see that. we are
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prioritizing the voices of the defendants of against late people. me being one of them. by the way, i wanted to say that i have a personal stake and a personal history in this conversation. this is not just in an academic interest for me being a defendant of and slaves, people from trinidad and tobago. my mother's family is from chicago on of the sugar king area of that country. and we definitely want to talk and we want to have a voice in what is being done and what's being decided and not have a solution imposed on us. it's when you said shift. okay. it reminded me of a story that's in the document you that laura made when she went back to find her family routes and, and the pond patients that have family had owned and there was one story know, and i think this really helped just tell one story about to the sugar foundation
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and there was a new c, c, the sugar cane into a machine at if you get your finger court, your hand thing that strapped into and then your body. and then when you finish the story, you know, i, because i think that's what some of the horrified you. and i think we don't want to be too clinical about what we're talking about. these are real people who have no choice about the what they were made to tell us about the sugar cane story. yeah, it is really horrific saturday and even, you know, 190 is of to abolition. when i was the in grenada on the base, is us state, which means good day by the way, which is so ironic. what do you think of the horrors that happened that i was on the state with dc campbell, who's himself, a historical novelist, a good night in a defendant have been slaved in grenada. and he said, you know, or how does it feel? both of us, hey, you a defendant, i've been slaves and may a descendant have been slave to night, looked to him in horror. and d. c said,
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you know laura, this is how the healing begins. but before the healing begins, let me tell you. he told me about the hora, and we would that all of this sugarcane plantation at the top of the house in the top of the slopes and the most is house the slave. most of the house looking down whether enslaved would have lipid. and we could see some ruin buildings and d. c said, you know, you have to understand, but this was all about economics. it was a little back production. and when the in slide for feeding the sugar cane into these machines, which is how it go, crossed and eventually turned into into sure. okay. if at any moment a hand was cold in that machinery rather than stopped production. what would happen is that someone will be standing there with the machete and would cancel the hand of the enslaved person. that night recoiled in hora to think that this was something that my ancestors had participated in and of the injury and the death which would have resulted us. but we can't shy away from this horrific system and
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the legacy that it has today, which is why i know that it's hard to talk about, but it's necessary. gosh, we also want to talk about the timeline, right? because when someone says something like a 140 years, it seems like so long ago that this was happening. and this was a reality. so if you want to take a look at, you know, i posted a little while ago on twitter about the fact that my grand father, as in my mother's father, was born in 1878, only 40 years post abolition in trinidad. so my grandfather was contemporaries with people who had been formerly enslaved, and my grandfather has 2 living children right now. so i have to r, as in my mothers sisters, whose father was a contemporary of the formerly in slave. so me as a 46 year old,
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i'm only 2 or 3 generations depending on how you counted away from slavery, interested out and tobago. and i also asked for people, african americans in united states and black british people to talk about, well, how far away are you from slavery? and i didn't get anything past about 4 generations. so i want us to think about this is very, very close history for many, many of us. and it's not this distance century long ago. incident or phenomenon because us so lately. yeah, i'm not going to say one of the things that just keeps happening. yeah. in terms of when i speak about in the u. k, is people constantly coming at me in a basically i with them saying things like we've paid reparations enough as it is about the age we've paid to this country. one of them is that, and it's like,
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far away, why should we be apologizing to something that happened so long ago? and you know, just as you've said it in, not only is the money very present, the money, that was the wealth that was gains very, very present in all the sites that contract dot loan that we talked about. nice. we already finished paying all the u. k. in 2015, that means people are locked myself by the sizes. so shocking. i have paid cash, full descendants of people who enslaved people. so i pay tax money on that. so some of my tax money has gone to paying off the debt of people who still people from another place. but that sounded like mind blowing. i want to bring up another voice into our conversation just to move us on a little bit. because like we, we know why we're talking about this, this issue, but not how then do we approach it? and i always want to break my so dixon, he's
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a teacher and he lays out very clearly about what he feels about, reparations. he is, and then no, can you help us understand? what is the slavery on the gun to do in a practical way? his breakfast is that america should take the new reparations to black americans who are the sins of american slaves. freeman is what they have done for other brings that this federal government has wrong. native americans, the oldest moultrie ation in turn, japanese americans and the list continues. we need to pay us. well, we are old. and all sort of people went to the wrong with that, but their descendants receive the payment. the standards should be the same for black americans. yeah, so finally, i'll say that so interesting to hear that. but as of slavery, what's happened actually, since the documentary, so really for the last. yeah. but it's accelerated since february since,
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so family went to go and i apologized to those who are ancestors and slaves is the i've had so many families experience similar backgrounds reach out and you have a cache who were at the beginning of the program took about all of the people who go that was 46000 claims, many of them were up for multiple the same family, for compensation, for the loss of good was insulting the time people's property when slavery was abolished. and i would say i have had out. busy of 35, probably families reach out to me who want to what either they want to reset. so in history a bit o and they want to know how to do it. they know that when the compensation records, but they want to know a little or they want to take it so that they want to apologize. they want to reach out to the reparations commission and the relevant caribbean island. you know, not had really some big names from in slavery and the brushing her band. i'm jamaica barbados, reach out to me. and so i'm working with them and advising them as to what they
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could do at talking to the reparations committees in the different countries connecting people. so that's a lot of just practical work that and i think it's about wonderful that in the mentioned there is fantastic, you know, the status that is fantastic to hear and i'm excited about that. and i'm also thrilled with what i saw on the website, the ears of slavery website on the section about repair. right, which is the most important, you know, uh, which is what are people doing uh, financially, what are people doing with the money that was made off of the ancestors or of, of, you know, the defendants a being slaves, people who are investors. so and one thing that i didn't see i saw scholarship programs, i saw a company centers, i saw the domestic do support,
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things like that, which are fabulous. i did not see realistic land the greatest source of wealth for the descendants of the captors. indian flavors has been property, land real estate, and they were able to buy land. they were able to make investments in land and real estate with the money that they made from the exploitation and the ownership of other human beings. and i think it's extremely important because what is happening now that we see in the repair has been happening for a while in terms of kind of philanthropy type of projects or, you know, charity. and there's a saying and being your doctor, you're good. there's still the noise echo, but the valley most now, which is a translates as giving what's excess or what you have left over is not sharing it's charity. it's giving of. so i want to really shift the conversation to what does
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it mean to really in a justice oriented way, understand what was made and what was gained from the lives the literal lives, not just labor of in slaves, people and see how we can do about equitably sharing those benefits, right? because i also like those really as testers, the image just share that with bell. because i'm wondering, is that, that level of thinking, how do we do this in an equitable amount of those maybe not to, to send us groups that maybe to governments, right. it and it goes, it goes beyond the i would say, because the 1st thing we have to do is recognize that there is no amount of money that could ever fully recompense for the ortho hora. but that, that was the trafficking of africans. people in the trends that, that's a slight,
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we need to understand that. but then we also understand that we cannot just decide on, on obscure amounts. i'm give said money, because that's not going to make one of the difference. we have to look at the true meaning of reparations and nice to repair. so you can give somebody money. but if you haven't repaired the systems in which they also right, they are never going to be prosperous. they never guys have that equity that we just had about. so we have to be on or, or of these, all of these levels. so yes, we're talking about institutional racism. we're talking about environmental regulation, educational respiration. we're talking about ending this cycle of, of a. do you know that, that extra you just talked about that, that looks as charity rather then then compensation. i'm making sure that people have that sustainable development. because you have to remember about these countries with deliberately under developed adult sort of peoples with deliberately i'm just about. it's not that we didn't have civilizations in africa before. people
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would take it as slaves. one of these things that existed before. so we need to repair the invalid, not just throw as far as noble know from that certain things. and that has to be done, at least likely. yes, definitely looking at a lad. uh well, uh, all of these different. what else? what does the government done? so far, the versus go what bridges government has done so far is biased about a bit of labor owners. that's what the british the, and you know what they did in 2015. they tweet. so they got out from the home office and they were really excited to kind of look at what the british tax payer was done. they contributed to ending slavery. and everybody said, how do you think do that? and then we realized the people that looked like may be really the same, but this, like what actually paying towards a, you know, and what do they get, trip paying towards ending slavery by compensation. the flight own is okay. was they were, what is it one of these things up? so the way it the, nothing a big side 0. all right,
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but the thing i did also payment is uh originally, so you're not about an apology cuz that's the, that's a stopped. and also about how you put together an apology. the bell when you, off the british prime minister for an apology. i'm just going to show that little clip so we can see what the response was. that's have a lot. so i was off the prime minister today if you will do what funny ground. ok. all those years ago, i bought some accomplice. others. ok since an offer for a meaningful apology for all countries wrote in slavery, unplug realism and commit to rep rights. read justice, nervous to speak of that. well, i think all right, chris should now be on doing is of course understanding all history and no one is paul, it's not running away from it. but right now, making so that we have that society which is inclusive and told her that people from the background on this house, on the co sign of the house,
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all committed today and will continue to develop. but trying to, um, pick on history is not the right way for it. and it's not something that we will focus our energies on, you know, or that just makes me saw, i should really give that man. yeah. have shoes because he's an expert. so i, i don't know, i don't know about that. no, but he rode back. he did the same platitudes that we have had from previous heads of state where they like deep sorrow or regret. so anything. what about you just said no. let me show you is how the 2 volume family got together and said this is how with so a full will add to send instead of look here on my laptop. this happened in february. this is really impressive. this is, you know, i go finally setting an example saying this is how we can be accountable. this is a way forward, this is how we have a difficult conversation. but that difficult conversation is not going to a really big family in the u. k, which is the royal and i, i want to bring in
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a sort of key. and this is from one of our contributors, different ahmad, who's very specific about the world family gaining from the transatlantic slave trade. i'm what they need to do now today have a nice and have a look. the demonic g. then the government of the united kingdom must ends nicole, lift, caribbean governments, improve in people that the knowledge and v apologize for the rollers. they played in the traffic in young slave mountain, colonized vision of african people have sent it to send them and they most of the sort of list putting this to the invitation. okay, we're gonna go over that the end to negotiations for a social and economic way. power driver, just dis, package the zion, to repair the damage of the cranes against humanity.
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that the company to oh, so much conversation happening on youtube right now. it's not just the kind of being countries that this as an apology would a 10 u. k. we have to make amends of the idea that we should see not keys of indian decision making the apology when he comes from all his defendants come from a country that was also colonized. was a little bit tricky for him to do so that probably is where the top don't think is going on. nor do you think the british royal family is ready to have this conversation about in slight people and how wealthy they all because of it. so suddenly, maybe the beginning of the conversation. yes. and if you look at what, when he was prince of wales, the now king said i want to use it, come off heads of government so much and could call a last year. he said this conversation about slavery and britain's historic links to it is one whose talk time has come. he also said that he was working to deepen
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his own understanding of the painful impact and legacy of slavery. so i know that those was, may not sound revelation. re file for the roll time. and the societies as established on the queen could say, now we know is king at, you know, the, the rule of thumb is consigned to the gold in that the king is supporting academic research and to the whole family of links to, in slight bye. so then what does he do when he finds out, you know, the well documented files and they're all link so nor i restart out, been doj and we have so much more to talk about. but we will do that in another episode. but for today i thank you very much for being guess on the stream. i gave us your input as well. take care everybody. so you, next time, the
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