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or reject the most progressive constitution ever proposed for any nation. and there's 3, yes or no shooting, voted to know the big picture. us was a question that goes into the very foundation opportunity until the cost of its relationship with indigenous people. in the midst of 2 parts. one on the jersey, the, the movement still paying reparations as being energized by a new group of activities. the as of slavery. some british defendants who have posted from the trans atlantic slave trade over the years, i've got together to come painful, a positive justice. so on the show, we will find out how that is possible. but professor much is catherine,

who will tell us why it is necessary? have a listen, have and 1833. when slavery was abolished and the bridge caribbean, numerous on the cape, $20000000.00 pounds was paid in compensation to the slave owners. because they was seen as having lost what was called by property. they enslaved to men and women who they had bought or who had mean born in captivity on their estates, on about $20000000.00 pounds, which was paid out of tax pads, money. nearly 20000000 stayed in britain. so there was a very substantial number of slaves who knows in britain who made substantial change on that money. and that for had a large caching flux at that time. so the formations have been paid the other transatlantic slave trade, but to the owners of in slave people,

the star was not about that. so i would know feel comments, your questions for a panel because we're going to talk about how do you make up with a period of time in history? what do you do and what does the edge of the inheriting? well, how do they handle it? that is, what i should always about today. comment section is right, that have yes, but guess to take us to have this conversation. so with us from new york city, we have lower to valley and she is a co founder of as of slavery in london checks and labor and p and chair of the african reparations in the potty parliamentary group about with barrow id. and joining us from pittsburgh associate professor at carnegie mellon university. would you, i'm yeah, i know how gas we are flipping the script normally and a conversation about reparations. that would be the descendants of the in slaves being really, really furious about how nobody's taking them seriously. but nora, this completely changes the way that we talk about reparations in the way that you

are coming to this conversation. how did it stopped, or will somebody thank you so much for having me on it. such a pleasure to be here with your distinguished guests. and i will say that what we did as a family was just follow the roadmap that was laid out by carol. com. add in to government and organization of basically the brushes carol ban. and i went to grenada to make a documentary about my family, slight binding pulse based on that u. c. l. data base of compensation records that you had, katherine whole talking about that that data base was put on line in about 2013. and then about 2016, a family member said to me, a radio the john list, you'll suppose to be the family history. and did you know that the 2 volumes and at least 6 plantations in grenada, and receive compensations for the 1000 enslaved africans and bio ancestors

abolition in 1834. and i knew none of this. then a closer that lives, massa and george floyd sitting here in new york city, covering the protests as a journalist i had to naples. so i went to coordinate at the bbc. let me make a documentary based on that documentary is a family. we'll also, what can we do? and we were led by a grenade as reparations committee and by the henry beckles, the chair of carol combs reparations commission. and he addressed all families to zoom and said, you must apologize for what your ancestors did. it will have tremendous power and you'll lead by example, and you must figure out what your repair treat justice approaches, and then all case it was to donate to the moment about $110000.00 pounds to education products and coordinator. but i will say that we were led by the car band and now i look at the incredible well the bell. what has been been doing for some time in the commons, but now she's holding a legal party, parliamentary groups. that's momentum in britain and all hope is as of slavery is the britons government will engage in negotiations with carol come on the basis of

his 10 point restorations, pine which has existed since 24 team. so you just came out of the meeting, tell us about an amazing not every bit is amazing because that would be that would be in 10. but tell us what the meeting was about and how did you feel right now about the idea of move people, not just governments, but more people recognizing universities, institutions, recognizing that reparations is the way to go. well, let me see, i've just come out of a co, what's called the legal case for reparations, and it was organizing partnership with my policy problem at 2 great. so after recreation and the day, and they all the lawyers to actually acted full the mile mile of kenya in terms of the reparations that they received for the registration and the from, from, from bridge club new courses. now, and i think it's, it's amazing that we're seeing all of this activity right now. we have this option

. and one of the things that came out of this meeting all within a really, really x that laying out the need to case what, what listings such as talking about terminology are so we refer to slaves quite a lot of the time. the people all asking for us to refer to those that were enslaved as traffic applicants. and, you know, we were talking about language we're talking about who should be leading the charge, which was not the front that we have and the as of slavery. and that we have many, many allies in the struggle, but making sure that people who view all the defendants were well leading the charge. and that we don't get also to a situation which is unfortunately a card when we say in terms of international development, which is rather the coming industry instead of what, what was meant meant to become a, in types of supporting people in the global style that we don't have a situation where people are being dictated to and as opposed to uh, you know,

the victims meeting in what they see as, as proprietary. just because that would just be another for the vehicle. i mean, right. i have some with, uh, this is what we're doing for you. okay. any that? nope. that, nope, not a french note that broke jump. that's what makes you is smiling at articulate this small energy. what do you make is, does this feel like so a real movement that's covering some momentum, which i definitely think so, and i'm thrilled to know that this work is being done. and i'm also thrilled to see who's at the forefront of the work. and i'm also very happy to see that we are prioritizing the voices of the defendants of against late people. me being one of them. by the way, i wanted to say that i have a personal stake and a personal history in this conversation. this is not just in an academic interest for me being a defendant of and slaves, people from trinidad and tobago. my mother's family is from chicago out of the

sugar king area of that country. and we definitely want to talk and we want to have a voice in what is being done and what's being decided and not have a solution input. ready just on us it's when you said should okay, it reminded me of a story that's in the document you that nora may when she went back to find her family routes and, and the pond patients that have family had owned and there was one story know and i think this really helped just tell one story about the sugar pound taishan and there was a, you see the sugar cane into a machine at if you get your finger, quote your hand thing that striped into and then your body. and then when you finish the story, no, i because i think that was the horrified you. i think we don't want to be too clinical about what we're talking about. these are real people who have no choice

about the what it was made to tell us about the sugar cane story. yeah, it is really horrific. it's heavy and even, you know, $190.00 is of to abolition. when i was the in grenada on the basis you a state which means good day by the way, which is so ironic. what do you think of the horrors that happened that i was on the state with dc campbell, who's himself, a historical novelist, a good night in a defendant of been slaved in grenada. and he said, you know, or how does it feel? both of us, hey, you descend and i've been slaves and may a descendant have been slave to night? looked to him in horror. and d. c said, you know laura, this is how the healing begins. but before the healing begins, let me tell you. he told me about the hora, and we, with that on this sugarcane plantation at the top of the house in the top of the slopes, in the most is house the slave, most his house looking down whether enslaved would have lipid. and we could see some ruined buildings, and d. c said, you know, you have to understand,

but this was all about economics. it was a little back production. and when the enslaved for feeding the sugar cane into these machines, which is how it go, crossed and eventually turned into and to shift. okay. if at any moment, a hand was cold and that machinery rather than stopped production, what would happen is that someone would be standing there with the machete and would cancel the hand of the inside person at night, recoiled in hora to think that this was something that my ancestors had participated in and of the injury and the death which would have resulted, but we comp shy away from this risk big system and the legacy that it has today, which is why i know that it's hard to talk about. but it's necessary. i'm sure go ahead. you also want to talk about the timeline, right? because when someone says something like a 140 years, it seems like so long ago that this was happening. and this was

a reality. so if you want to take a look at a know i posted a little while ago on twitter about the fact that my grand father, as in my mother's father, was born in 1878, only 40 years post abolition in trinidad. so my grandfather was contemporaries with people who had been formerly enslaved, and my grandfather has 2 living children right now. so i have to r, as in my mothers, sisters, whose fault or was a contemporary of the formally enslaved. so me as a 46 year old, i'm only 2 or 3 generations depending on how you counted away from slavery, interested out and tobago. and i also asked for people, african americans in the united states and black british people to talk about, well, how far away are you from slay for each. and i didn't get anything past about 4

generations. so i want us to think about this is very, very close history for many, many of us. and it's not this distance century longer go incident or phenomenon, because as absolutely. yeah. back in the say, one of the things that just keeps happening. yeah. in terms of when i speak about it in the u. k, this is people constantly coming at me in a basic, well, we've been saying things like we've paid reparations enough, as it is about the age we've paid to this country. one of them is that it's so far away, why should we be apologizing for something that happened so long ago? and you know, just as you've said it, not only is the money very present, the money, that was the wealth that was gains very, very present. and also so i cuz they can track dot loan that we talked about nice. we already finished paying all the u. k. in 2015. that means people like myself by

the said so shocking. i have paid cash, full descendants of people who enslaved people. so i pay tax money on that, so i some of my tax money has gone to paying off the debt of people who still people from another place. but that sounded like mind blowing. i want to bring up another voice into our conversation just to move us on a little bit because i wish we know why we're talking about this, this issue, but not how then do we approach it? and i think we start to break must so dick's and he's a teacher and he lays out very clearly about what he feels about, reparations. he is. and then know, can you help us understand what it's a slavery on? going to do in a practical way. his breakfast of this that america should take the new reparations to black americans who are the sins of american slaves. freeman

is what they have done for other groups that this federal government has wrong from native americans. though this moultrie ation in turn, japanese americans and the list continues. we need to pay us. well, we owe them to sort of people who went through the wrong with that, but they're just and this received the payment. the standards should be the same for black americans. yeah, so sign me, i'll say that so interesting to hear that. but as of slavery, what's happened? actually, since the documentary, so really for the last. yeah. but it's etc rated since february since so finally went to granada and apologized to those who are ancestors and slaves is the i've had so many families, splitting similar backgrounds, reach out and you have a cache who were at the beginning of the program, took about all of the people who go that was 46000 claims, made them well for multiple, the same family, for compensation,

for the loss of good was insulting the time people's property when slavery was abolished. and i would say i have had upwards of 35, probably families reach out to me who want to what either they want to research. so in history of m. o. and they want to know how to do it. they know that when the compensation records, but they want to know a little or they want to take it further, they want to apologize. they want to reach out to the reparations commission and the relevant car been island, you know, not had really some big names from in slavery and the brushing her band. i'm jamaica barbados, reach out to me. and so i'm working with them and advising them as to what they could do at talking to the reparations committees and the different countries connecting people. so there's a lot of just practical work that and i think it's to balance wonderful. that in the mentioned there is fantastic, you know, the status that is fantastic to hear and i'm excited about that. and i'm

also thrilled with what i saw on the website, the ears of slavery website on the section about repair. right, which is deal that's important. you know, which is what are people doing financially, what are people doing with the money that was made off of the ancestors or of, of, you know, the defendants a being slaves, people who are investors. so and one thing that i didn't see i saw scholarship programs, i saw a company centers, i saw the domestic abuse support, things like that, which are fabulous. i did not see realistic land the greatest source of wealth for the descendants of the captors. and the and flavors has been property, land real estate. and they were able to buy land. they were able to make investments

in land and real estate with the money that they made from the exploitation and the ownership of other human beings. and i think it's extremely important because what is happening now that we see in the repair has been happening for awhile in terms of kind of philanthropy type of projects or, you know, charity. and there's a saying and being your that i feel great. they still got noise echols i p a value most know, which is a translates as giving what's excess or what you have left over is not sharing it's charity, it's giving of. so i want to really shift the conversation to what does it mean to really in a justice oriented way understand what was made and what was gained from the lives literal lives, not just labor of in slaves, people and see how we can do a about equitably sharing those benefits, right?

because i also like those when the testers, the image just share that with bell. because i'm wondering is that that level of thinking, how do we do this in an equitable maya goes maybe not to defend the scripts that maybe to governments. right? it and it goes, it goes beyond the i would. yeah. because the 1st thing we have to do is recognize that there is no amount of money that could ever fully recompense for the ortho hora. but that, that was the trafficking of africans, people in the transit legislature, we need to one to find that. but then we also understand that we cannot just decide on, on obscure amounts and give said money. because that's not going to make one of the difference. we have to look at the true meaning of reparations and nice to repair. so you can give somebody money even if you haven't repaired the systems in which they offer, right? they're never going to put the prosperous. they're never going to have that equity

that we just had about it so, so it has to be on or, or of these, all of these levels. so yes, we're talking about institutional racism. we're talking about environmental regulation, educational respiration. we're talking about ending this cycle of, of i do, you know, the extra, you just talked about that, that looks as charity rather then then compensation. i'm making sure that people have that sustainable development because you have to remember about these countries with deliberately under developed about sort of peoples with deliberately i'm just about. it's not that we didn't have civilizations in africa. and before people were taken as slaves. one of these things existed before, so we need to repair the impalas not just throw, i suppose nobody's from that certain things. and that has to be done at least likely. yes, definitely looking at a lad. uh well, uh, all of these different. what else? what does that, what is government has done so far versus government. what the previous government

has done so far is biased about a bit of labor owners. that's what the predict the and you know what they did in 2015, they tweet. so they got out from the home office and they were really excited to, to look at what the british tax payer was done. they contributed to ending slavery . and everybody said hard to say do but, and then we realized the people that looked like may be really, but the said, but this is like, it was actually paying towards a, you know, and what do they get? trip pain towards ending slavery by compensation is slight otis, okay. they will say, what is it all of these things up? so the really nothing a big fat 0. all right, but the time you did all the payment is received, not about an apology, cause i've got to start. i mean, also about how you put together an apology. but when you off the british prime minister for an apology, i'm just going to show that little clip so we can see what the response was. that's

have a lot so i was off the fine minnesota today if you will do what funny, gone off all those years ago. i bought some account with others. ok since an over a phone, a meaningful apology for all countries wrote in slavery and colonialism and commit to rep rights re justice. not nervous to speak of that well, i think. all right, so should now be on doing is of course, understanding all history and no one is paul, it's not running away from it. but right now, making sure that we have is hasanti, which is inclusive and told her that people from the background on this house, on the co side of the house, all committed today. i will continue to data, but trying to, i'm pick on history is not the right way for it and it's not something that we will focus our energies on new or that just makes me saw. i should really give you that man. yeah. have shoes because he's an expert so i, i don't know, i don't know how that nor let me but he rode back. he did the same

platitudes that we have had from previous heads of state where they like deep sorrow or regret or anything. he just said, no, let me show you is how the to valley and family got together and said this is how with so a full will add to send instead of look here on my laptop. this happened in february . this is really impressive. this is, you know, i go finally setting an example saying this is how we can be accountable. this is a way forward, this is how we have a difficult conversation. but that difficult conversation is not going to a really big family in the u. k, which is the royal family. and i want to bring in a thought here. and this is from one of our contributors, different ahmad, who's very specific about the world family gaining from the transatlantic slave trade. i'm what they need to do now today have a nice and have a look. the demonic g, then the government of the united kingdom. a. my sense nicole and let's

caribbean governments improve in people. that the knowledge and the apologize for the rollers, they played in the traffic in the end slip mountain colonized vision of african people, send it to send them. and they must also sort of list putting this to the invitation . okay, we're going to cover that. the end to negotiations for a social and economic way. power driver just just package the zion, to repair the damage was the cranes against humanity that they committed. oh, so much conversation happening on the issue right now. it's not just the caribbean countries that this of an apology would a 10 u. k. we have to make amends on the id that we should see. not case of indian

decision making the apology when he comes from, or his defendants come from a country that was also colonized. was a little bit tricky for him to do. so that probably is where the top don't think is going on. nor do you think the british royal family is ready to have this conversation about in slight people and how wealthy they all because of it. i am certainly maybe the beginning of the conversation. yes. and if you look at was when he was prince of wales, the now king said, i want to use it, come off heads of government summit and could go late last year. he said this conversation about slavery and britain's historic links to is one whose time has come. he also said that he was working to defend his own understanding of the painful impact and legacy of slavery. so i know that those words may not sound revelation. re file for the real time and you're in a society that was all funding the queen could say, now we know is king at, you know, the, the rule of thumb is consigned to the gold in that the king is supporting academic

research into the whole family have links to insight, right? so then what does he do when he finds out, you know, the well documented files and they're all link some more research around been don't, and we have so much more to talk about. but we will do that on another episode, but for today i thank you very much for being guess on the stream. thank. give us your input as well. take care everybody. see you next time the june on. let's just say that despite the roll rate, as far as an lens plate and come back to find maturity democratic republic of congo

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