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and science as around the world say it's time to move past the stigma of alien hunting. today we talk openly and honestly about the search for extraterrestrial life and the preparations for not. yes, but when we find it. for today's discussion, we are joined by 3 guests in rotterdam and another lens. we have then yella, they police, an artist in residence at the city. that's the world's pre eminent institute for the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. also with us in the us state of new mexico, shanella tremblay, a radio astronomer whose research uses the jam sky, very large array to listen for intelligent life. and in san francisco, california, frank march, he's a senior planetary astronomer with the study institute. and as always, you can be a part of this discussion. let's tom aliens joined our youtube stream. i know you

have for any questions just like i do. so jump into that chat and be a part of it. so welcome to all of our guess, but 1st and foremost, we wanted to get to the news. there has been a signal send from mars to us here on earth. but don't worry, it's just a test. you can call it a practice run for humanities. first contact with extraterrestrial intelligence. this is a project and it's called assign in space and lucky us we have the creator with us today. daniella. tell us the rest about this project. a hi, assignee space is a need for the 16 or the project where we simulate the 1st contact and the it's a project i've been working on for the past 4 years. i gather together, or my network from the safety community, the people at the site, they used to do up the green bankruptcy of authority. that may be chino observatory and the island police corporate ray and the together we pass node we the european

space agency that agreed to use one of those spacecraft code the 3 steps. all would be there to transmit the simulated extras, the right sort of message that i composed together with a team of specialists. and that happened on the 25th of may. so the, the signal was with me to, was received by the 3 dots, a telescopes, greenberg, periscope fall into the scope of ray and you know, and uh, after releasing the data um, on the website. uh, it has stopped it for decoding the signal contained with the uh, the, the message containing within the signal. so on the score, the global community just joined. uh, and uh, collaboratively, they tried to, uh, the quote uh the message. so now they have managed to extract the message

correctly, however, now they have to actually do to meaning to the data. so we pass to that when we move to the interpretation stage. yeah, let me just back up a little bit because what you thought of so interesting. you made this code. so you know what this code says. there are thousands of people on the score channel hoping to discover what it is. and you have the european space agency as your partner to actually be in this code back here to earth from mars orbit. or, i think that is so cool. first of all, but explain to us what is the purpose, what are you trying to learn or achieve from this? for me as an artist and the purpose is mostly to question the, the way we make meaning as humans. so i am really looking at the process of the meaning making and the taking can to extreme and the questioning whether we

would be able as a human kind to attribute it content to meaning to it potential explicit right, still message. so taking the top people communication to the extreme, using a and rod, the quote example of how these to go take would be to communicate it is a really difficult communicating amongst the humans, ourselves and a very difficult communicating with other species on this planet tend well if we were facing such an extreme event, we would really have to test our communication skills and that it meets. and that's why you have opened at this question up to the masses. so we have this discord community that have been working. it seems non stop. i don't believe people are sleeping as we've monitor it. and it seems they have really made some progress. frank, i wanted to ask you about that, because i know you've been monitoring this discord as well. have these amateur

astronomers crack the code. i this grab the codes yet. conversely, they managed to get the meaning to get this thing or to isolate the signal itself. you know, radio is, can be no, is an inside the nose. we have a very you have the numbers that are basically what we send from the spacecraft and then you can see him this morning to the team on this call that they are funded. they advisor late to do read signal. now. and i think that i agree on that it's, we are, we have received the most interesting part, which is the understanding of the signal doing deputation of the signal. and that could be completely open to interpretation. right? so i know that daniela you use your are artistic background in a way to engage people because you want this to be a democratic process. i mean, this really happens, it will receive

a signal from somewhere else in space. why is it important that the common man has a chance to decide how to receive this image, receive a signal on how to respond as well? so me a signal, some space would be really appropriate to you of older human kind. and we would have a sort of the, you know, school a stay to see my opinion. but especially, i think this piece of challenge is, as i mentioned about the fact that different cultures with different will. so as we speak, backgrounds might interpret these signs from spacing a different way, so we have to keep our mind open about it's supposed to be because um, again, it could be something that we've never seen before. and uh, and we would only have our cultural tools to interpret such an alien sign. and the stakes are so high on say,

because we are only ever going to have 1st contact ones and we cannot mess up our response. but actually brings me to a question for you. so noah, because this is all a very interesting and important dress for her. so for what may be the real thing one day, if you work on a team that i has prepared for the possibility of receiving an alien signal. so in real life, how will that happen? what will be our response? i think one of the things that daniels danielle is experiment has been doing is really educating the entirety of the process of trying to make process involved in this. and how complicated of a problem is really is. but i think and also in reality, what we're expecting is that it's probably not going to be something so complicated as an entire message, because that requires a tremendous amount of power to be able to send that signal across the very large

distances of space. so it's more likely that we'll see something that is a small lip in our radio data than an entire message. but still this simulates a really interesting part of the challenge of that we may approach at some point. and there are people who are ready to jump in should know at the international academy of astronautics has a policy um saying that if we were to receive a signal 1st step, make sure it's legit. second step, notify the u. n. and then what i mean the, that 1st step is huge, right? the making sure that it's something that's really asked her physical in origin nots, human created. and then it's not a natural process. and that requires the entire scientific community or as much as it is you can get involved. and i think the public and the fast bank of

people that are interested in astronomy as amateur radio astronomers can be part of that process of verifying that this is something that is real and interesting. and not 1st, like frank, i saw you wanting to get in there. yeah, i, i just want to mention that we may be sending spins and a decent event and try to get to the signal. and this we truly happen if we get to mr. and mrs. in the future, i send them as we make the announcement and know the and then as around the world, including i'm a to us from the middle and the week of fee and the existence of the signal. and i think that's important because it's such a worldwide program. i mean, if we didn't buy the entire planet, so everybody needs to be involved in this process. and everybody should be able to listen and collect these data and was so as like the home to the interpretation of the signal. thank you very much. you know, this is certainly a sign of the times that you eval research is no longer such

a thing of stigma and to validate that nasa has a us both panel only they don't call it us those they call them you a peas, which is short for on identified anomalous phenomenon, and a panel of 16 scientists has been meeting for a year and they just lifted up the curtains for the 1st time on may 31st, sharing that they've so far studied $800.00 new ape sightings and found more than a dozen remain unexplainable, here's a bit of what they said. so this agency is absolutely cast iron, committed to openness and transparency and honesty. you know, we are very driven to try to find a real evidence of extra terrestrial life. and we would be highly driven to share that if we found it, we haven't found life beyond the right. i mean, that's be clear about this. we haven't found it yet. but we're looking and we're

looking for it. lots of different ways as nasa. highly anything about this? no, this is actually what you know answering this question is one of the things that now says an agencies is excited about. it's what's something that lots of sciences working with nasa are excited about is, is this question of, is there life out there will struck me that nasa was met with a lot of public skepticism at this meeting. i know for decades they had been trying to debunk u. f. o sightings. and now to turn this corner i'm, i'm wondering from our experts i should know if you want to take this one. convince the public should we really trust nasa or any government when it comes to these u. f. o sightings? i i don't know it, it's a tough situation because people are going to clearly be convinced of what they see

and what they don't see. but i think that was the aeronautics industry, where is at the moment and just how prevalent and how easy it is to get things that can fly in the sky, whether it's satellites, drones or whatever it is. it's hard to to say exactly which direction they should be going in and, and, but addressing it and facing it head on. i think it's a, it's a good direction to go. frank, please go ahead. yeah, i think the bulletin pops here is that we have a lot of folks have ations of you a piece and we don't know where they are. they could be by doing that. could be anything that we think you meant technology, right? so they both and talked to you, is that fine or the deal is that though i've been released to nesa and there for the origin. see, and i hope is they are going to have more for the most space agencies in the future . we'd have access to these data, so we can give an answer because something we don't like is to basically tell the

people we don't know. scientists want to want to know what they see, right? so having this group of people are working together to find an explanation on those you a piece videos that being a significant step. so once again, the high minds using full 20, i think they pulled from different parts of the world working together to end this then do they have to nature will do is us, you a piece is an important step and we are this year we'd be the year i think we would remember of that we have funded the stress of trying to address this. absolutely. and statistically speaking, in our hope for contact with you a piece or you of o's, it's going to be in the universe, right? it's not necessarily going to be what we observed by in our airplanes or from the earth. but rather in these giants sweeps of the sky that we are currently conducting using instruments like the jan sky, very large array. shanella you are research works on this. tell us how hard are we

looking right now for an alien signal to? yeah, i mean, now we're, we observes stars on a regular basis. we're constantly trying to cover as many wave lengths as we can in hopes of finding a signal that is unique, something that anomalous something that stands out as being not, or as created and not as natural as her physical process. and i think this is, this is a challenging experiment, but one which we've been doing since the 1960 isn't. and we're, we're growing that experiment as we get more and more telescopes and scientists involved in that search. have you found anything this far? no, i still haven't. well, there has been a lot of discoveries though with nasa finding now 5084 x oh plan. it's and it's made. so it what's called a sonnet vacation,

which we can show you. it's nasa creating an image of each planet that it has found since the 1990 is when it began looking. um, i'm not sure we can pull it up as there it is. now if you listen, each note is symbolizing a new x or planet discovery. you can just see the piece of this, it's a slow music at 1st, but then as time progresses, more and more of these. and so planets have been discovered. so just statistically speaking, i know we opened the show, talking about the billions of galaxies, that still need to be come over. i want to ask our panelists and daniella specifically, what do you think are the chances that we are going to find something some day?

saying hopefully we'll find something soon. that's not necessarily what we typically call intelligence life. so 1st of all, we don't really have a appropriate distribution of intelligence yet. so it is also difficult to understand what we're looking for exactly. and even finding something like bacteria or any pre related to bacteria in an extrinsic ratio form, i think would be your really instantaneously transformative for you want to kind of remind me of people who might not be affected that much. uh, probably some people might remain completely of these interested in the these, these quality. but i think overall, or with really shift power the understanding of overall life and the cost most. and if we found also a civilization ways we can actually communicate that would be,

i think, even more meaningful that i think any form of life beyond our planet would be an incredible discovery. yeah, i know there are many who are excited for a possible discovery of alien life. were there others who are concerned its businesses? stephen hawking warned, if aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when columbus landed in america, which didn't turn out well for the native americans. so this question is, again to our panel. how many, which of the 3 of you would agree that there is some concern here? maybe we do not want to be found. just raise your hand if there's any concern about this. i'm raising my hand here because i think there are a lot of people and also people who've weighted on or youtube chat, who seems to have that opinion is so, so it's also culturally driven. um,

we probably base our opinions on some western literature and west an academic studies that dies only one pop up the pulse symbol of interpretation. and uh we, we don't know, i sent it in an alien civilization might be a boss to the point that they might have overcome completely the need to fight or explored all. there are some of these, a sort of civilizations resources that might be of interest in the future of human kinds as well if we want to protect ourselves. so it's really difficult to imagine without any part of mentors about our on, also a hard on east 3, which doesn't necessarily apply to every civilization of them. yeah, we have no idea what is out there that us what it boils down to. and i want to turn to a, a comment from our community. ramiro chi's, who is a data data analyst and researcher at study and talks about how the earth is

leaking. radio signals, which means that we may be discovered whether we like it or not. here's what he says, that was a part of the telescope. our planet is quite noticeable. now, it's not a question of ease, but when we may catch the vision of another advanced civilization. as we look into the future, we are disappointed our plan to become more bright or enraged spectrum. my research mark a significant milestone in understanding our region, emissions, and potential for cause me connection. it reminds us to gaze at the stars and contemplating the mysteries that lie beyond our planet. frank, i saw your hand raised earlier, please don't. yeah. i'm just as soon as i ended up as a new baby read me the we, we are very noisy in radio, but on the top of that,

and we have using telescopes. now that we'd be about 3 major exec plan that's been, that's nobody's around other styles. in the future, so we'd be able to see the quite the, the unless fee of that again was few of the spend that's nifty and we'll see a analyze that type of composition they have. so if there is a quote to see these ation on those planets in probably a 100 years. so we would be able to see those uh, the, the, the signature of this technology and those things are printed. so even though these indians and this slightly more advanced on us, it's a 100 years. they know we are here. they already know that it's not. that is they're not to fall away from us. they, we know we are, we, we exist and they will already pub, you'll save our planet as an interesting study for the addition of a technology called cd deviation. that brings me to a comment from one of our youtube viewers. monkey king says aliens are welcome if they be have and they also say,

i occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. certainly as the common enemy that unites isn't it? but i wanted to get more into this debate about just how much we want to find a possible intelligence civilization. there's the whisper, which we've talked about is the constant leaking of techno signatures from the earth in the form of our radio waves our, our why fi, our cell phone calls, etc. but then there's another school of thought, of shouting into the void. if it's, if you will, and the states back to 19 seventies with signals being sent deliberately trying to communicate to whatever is out there, information about human kind and potentially even where to come back and find us, which is potentially a scary idea. chanel. what do you make of that?

i mean, i think that, um, yeah, there's possibility. what we're looking for typically is the concept of somebody kind of beaming an intentional beacons and says, you know, we are here not literally meaning it's not a message but just some kind of beacon of light that is of a non natural design. and you know, i think that, you know, we have tried the same of some kind of signal suggesting that if you're listening and you're looking, that there is somebody out there that has the technology and the intelligence to design the technology to, to create that kind of be good, and i don't think that's a bad thing. ok. well there are many who would agree with you, including another member of our community, janie green, and the author of the possibility of life. who sent in this comment. any positive detection, whether of intelligence or biology would be usually meaningful. it would be

existentially meaningful to a lot of people to know that we're not alone in the cosmos. to know that life isn't just a fluke that happened on earth, but is like something that the universe does. but it could also be a very scientifically meaningful discovery depending on what sort of information we can get. we might start being able to understand life and intelligence beyond how we see that manifested on earth. but having another example, we can start seeing what is fundamental to life versus what is just how life happens to be on earth. which is information that we just don't have right now. there are so many possibilities to ponder and daniella your project to gets us started on that. i wonder as we close out our show today. can you tell me what it would mean for you to discover, to, to have discover life?

and if you can wrap up very quickly and 30 seconds, well, i hope this will happen during my lifetime. i see a, i think it would be just a new business and experience. i wouldn't be able to describe in words just as i said, a really profoundly transformative experience for us. people who i think so much as you spoke and thank you so much for those of us who washed our show. we will see you next time. thank you to our guests, the, the, the,

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