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hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much enjoy them. demonstrations broke out in senegal, after record sentenced opposition leader. it was months on go to 2 years in prison . he was convicted of corrupting for us, but cleared of rate the charges relate to an incident that a massage parlor in 2021. supporters say the violence across the country reflects widespread anger, particularly among unemployed young people who feel ignored by the political elite . they say the case against sancho was politically motivated and part of a plot to stop him running for president next year. mackey solves government denies this and so i sent a goal is facing an insurrection. its promise to use all measures necessary to restore stability. nicholas hawk, was it some of those protests on thursday and has this report from the call? we're inside the car university and look at it now as their share and destruction everywhere across this university. but also across the country,

banks had been looted, supermarkets had been destroyed, and the army has been called out here inside the car university where there was heavy protests yesterday students for down the faculty of law. and that's more than a symbol. they say they don't trust the justice system of this country, following the verdict of respond sancho and they say they'll continue to fight until he's legible to run the upcoming presidential elections. and that's why the, you have so much violence at the moment. that's what's at stake. it's these elections that are still 9 months away. so why now? well, what are the reasons there's so much tension is the intentions of president microsoft will. he will really not run for a 3rd mandate in the uncertainty is fueling the violence here in san diego, a country that's not the custom to such violence,

the country known for its debility and democracy. but now the military on the streets, protecting key areas, people are scared, they're at home. there's a thing involved of that, that in the local synagogues language that the syndicate leads do not like the sight of blood, but there's been so much blood being poured. and so no religious leaders are involved in trying to negotiate a way out of this political crisis. they'll be meeting with opposition leader. it was when sancho, but also members of the government to find an end to the violence as nicholas hawk alger 0 for inside story. the west african country with a population of 70000001 independence from france and 1960. it has good relations with the u. s and e u, as well as china and has long been seen as a model of stability and democracy in a volatile region. the current unrest stems from domestic political rivalry.

president monkeys all was elected in 2012 and is due to step down next year. but he argues that he could run again because of changes to the constitution in 2016, which shortened the presidential term, former tax inspector, it was months. sancho is popular among unemployed young people. and supporters say he's been targeted by political arrivals, including song songs lawyer says the jail term jeopardizes his chance of running for office in 2024. all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guests in london, which i had during mazda, who was an analyst with various maple craft global risk intelligence consultancy in paris, marie roget below the chair, woman and ceo of the africa international media group. and in the car, more so tall, a freelance journalist who is reported extensive extensively on sending golf political and social tensions a warm welcome to you all and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story

board. so let me start with you today. why has the unrest thus far in senegal been so widespread to thank you for having me the wide spread, the news around some close case or this case of a rate and the sexual assault overall is a has, is which this far simply because it's quite opposite of what sending god has always been known for, which means a peaceful country stable in west africa and respectful of all international laws. so to come to this, um state which right now uh the population is extremely angry at the government for simply having applied. and i will explain later the law over a weight case. uh that is um, the reason why everything is uh, under chaos right now. people are very angry and against the decision made by the

justice system to decide over a case um, so far morero's a let me get your perspective on this. um, do you believe that there is a risk for more instability? do you think that the, these protests will spread, the people get angry or to so you know what we've been seeing so far is that, um, as i've said before, sending them as been trying to show a peaceful and democratic she good. and, and, and if the government has always is going to be to when they struggle. but i think this time around, uh, just a month. so cool. has been quoting for riots and the, telling his support as to, to go to the presidency and all the thrown. mr. murphy, sir. and, uh, this is quite a different as we, although uh for the distance,

even from the old position. i remember that to a couple years ago there was situations where uh all the candidates to run us to for the presidents had to be excluded. uh for running and uh i think of abdul uh and the why the son and a got him wide and the candy for status. uh they may have they, they found that situation very unfair to them but they didn't called for violence. so this is a special case where you have somebody who's been condoning the uprisings calling for destruction calling for and, and since he entered the game and that, that i will say that the,

the, the really cracking down on the, on him more severe than all this because he has opted for confrontation for full funding institutions. so um, we are all very worried by the situation right now because now he said he has said to call him supporters to stop violence and to keep quiet. these is very necessary on his box, which i had a supporters of it was months. sancho, of course, are angry. they had been denouncing the charges against the opposition leader. they have accused president mackie solemn, using the justice system to eliminate political opponents. how much of that sentiment is fueling all of this? well, um yeah, just to give it a bit of a context and you know, uh picking up uh on the point of that raised by both. so is yes,

the center goal is often the price is a, you know, in the global politics is a stable democracy is a beacon of stability. but that hasn't, that has not been translate in this trust the, in the socio economic cold conditions of the center, at least people in sofa. and the significant concerns about increasing to 3010 is altered target is the excess of use of force police force that, that we've seen on the streets of the car. erosion of julie show, uh to do show independence demo back sliding. so these are a serious concerns because, you know, over the years since 2021 we seen at protests on to government process becoming more and more popular. because up sancho represents a large part of the center calls useful population that have not benefit from the economy. being the country i see and over the years, right? so high g d p growth and the oil and gas reserves. and they have non being

significantly benefit from this, from this a couple of minutes. and then they accuse the government this at present itself or failing to address device spread. um so, so you cannot make it a issues the, the, the large spots if society is dealing with, especially in urban areas that we see. so what happens is that the song co steps in and he's a pun applicant and not the best and spans that plug. it's the political elite battery. fortunately, a fight that goes to corruption since uh, 2016 since it was a pets, uh, text inspect stuff. and question, the significance of friendship, loons that, uh, that uh, you know, of apartments enjoys on the country's economy and politics. so in that sense, the widespread process are not surprising because the elimination of the a phone call from the and that's in, in 2010 for likely increase this sense of this franchise. i'm a guy on the,

i'm sorry, i'm sorry to interrupt me. i'd be happy to ask you in a minute about the anti french sentiment that you were just referring to, but 1st i, i want to go to the board. so again, the more so it looks like what another angle to all this is this being discussed are some of the tensions that we are witnessing now. a result of the fact that it's really unclear at this stage if president sol intends to seek a 3rd term as president to well, that is the root of this whole situation when we look at the patterns like money. because you had mentioned earlier with the cases of how the facade of the and the coming what at the time before. so cool away at the political scene in san diego. there was a question of their time. so we've had different i've gotten lost with people out there, most of the french, the 1st one was in 2000, putting an end to 40 years of a state power. busy for the, for the socialist party. so in 2000 i'm the one that came into power did his 2

terms to make it short as in 2012 lucky sally came into power board on the basis that below was, was never run for that. so that was the number one reason why people vote in for lucky cell and for guest after they was a. and now what you're seeing is a repetition of those issues. my casela who has, instead of words, yes, official word about he's willing to run everything around. it looks like it immediately. his uh he says his allies and he's political party at they have already stated that he use their candidates for 2024. so having that in mind, the population of center go is not willing to repeat the same mistakes of the past, meaning the refusing of the web based 3rd term and now accepting it for microsoft. and that is the main issue that is like because of all this, refusing

a 3rd term as a tradition for the past. and if you can do. ringback the presidential candidates named now having it in the face and having to face it with violence. that is the major difference and having to face it with someone who's not willing to let go. so court is not willing to let go and he's ready to use the violence in order to have the, the constitution perspective, meaning no more than 2 consecutive terms. so besides that, there's also the question of women's rights. and i would like to come back to that a little more. so let me look, let me. yeah, i'll give you a little bit back to you on that in just just a couple of minutes. uh 1st i wanna ask marie roget to expand a little bit on on the discussion we were just having with regards to a potential 3rd term for president south president sol has said that he can, that he believes he can run again for a 3rd term because of changes that were made to the constitution in 2016,

which shortened the presidential term. um, morero's a from your point of view, is this a valid argument? it can this actually be done? you know, uh, like, uh, uh, as explained before previously. right now. uh, send it down the suggestion saying that is very particular because uh, president lucky sy valve not to run it again, not to seek that the videos, recording that the ad tweets he made when he called for the most traditions that piece on demonstration. i must say, and he was very much against a delta. so that's why the synagogue these are very much they are upset and that they don't like that issue. so we understand that. um, but the point is uh, when you look at the, the,

they start in africa right now. you know, the people who done residents with don't see the terms of the exception. so what i mean is you, we will want fresh air, fresh blood, new ideas. we want a, you know, it government to new governments to comes with back. you have to renew or anything new energy. and that's what we're, we're fighting for, but i don't believe is something we have to die for. because when you look at the situation right now, as i say, um 22. wow. really benefiting for me. oh, the search terms. not the population only between 1000 and the and also do see that judgment is very different. the according to the suggestion,

you see one that president come down the household good. nice way to to who's they may be 20 years. why nobody, nobody. you don't hear a, uh, a position, very much international position, even the national guy. you don't hear that. and we use the in center of the murder as a, i'm sorry to interrupt you. i just want to go back to which i had about a point that he was making a moment to go up with god. you were, you were speaking specifically about anti french sentiment. i believe you said among supporters of mr. sancho, could you expand on that and talk about from your perspective why that might be driving, whether it's his popularity or some of the protests as well. yeah, i mean, historically, uh, the, the, you know, the french hold a significant decline and become political of interest in the country as a formal um, colonizer and, and i think if i'm not mistaken, see, 2019, uh, friends was the largest source of, uh, uh,

freight and direct investments inside a gall, since it was taken over by china, the mom. and so it holds a significant power in the country specifically. and in the case so well, in the context of this, this protest, what's happening is, is that especially 20 uh, the process that we used to be. so in 2021, i will protest this lead to the french businesses that cross the compet, especially in the call is because they, they claim that the source of the issues that they haven't but the corruption, the socioeconomic gonna qualities. and these are the issues related to the french implants and in, in the country. so there is this perception in light of the on different sentiment acros different parts of by somebody who is it, is that the french is a seriously involved in, in senegalese, politics. and then they're the ones that pulling the strings and, and, you know,

sancho representing upon african spans, and his support in the line with that sentiment as well. i'm saying that we don't want friends in boone and not pull up picks as well. that's why we, we so that the protest is attacked, the, the french businesses in 2021 and, you know, in the future, if the protests continue, we might be able to see the same things that gain me more. so i want to get back to a point that you were trying to make a moment ago. um, the question i have women's rights groups in, senegal have expressed concern that the sancho rape trial has set back women's rights in the country. what was it about the case that has so just made some of this and advocates for women's rights and send a go. the women have been used for this case that has underlying political matters. and that's their most the women lose in this process. and that's, that's where the whole problem comes with

a putting the cloud over all the fight that women have gone through in order to have these laws applied and respected in the country. and so here we have a one would look, use the freight, but a man accused of rate. but because there is no proof and because of so many issues, new attached to politics over the case of late itself. people know we're just not give any attention to the real cases of. busy of, of, of sexual assaults and gatherings together, gender issues. it brings all together just issues. the women will go through when it comes time for them to stand up and talk about the weight cases. so it's just a cloud over politics has been closed, being the gender issues and have been cut right? the question of weight and how far women have come to fight for their rights. so the j. um, let me ask you if attentions continue to escalate in senegal, what are the concrete steps that can be taken to try to calm things down?

what i think uh uh, in this particular situation. um a full i would say both bob pat would be covered with orgy and was mine. so go i'm and he's supporters responsible of what's happening. so i think i'm a system that i think was mine some cool. so should core to support test and, and ask them to stop writing stop by and that's um, he's the one who has a leverage on them. they will listen to what he told him and not the goldman obviously. so to show that he's in responsible man, i think he should do that because at the end of the day it's all about politics and the we, we pointed to the they are they at not a check that to ensure that people are not be kidding me. and it should be young

people and the just because all of the, because the one power that's, it's all about we, it's very important that he says he comes out and he says please, let's come down. we will work out this issue. would it be because they are new and it was the they are a lot of things which can be done from now, but 1st the violence you tube stuff which i had very some question about what the ramifications of this verdict will be when it comes to mr sancho, his political future from your vantage point, does the sentence against mr. sancho disqualify him as a presidential candidate in 2024? can he still run and also can the sentence be appealed or is this judgement final as well, he would likely to be eliminated from the race unless there's

a successful appeal by him. but that's very unlikely because the quote in separate cases refused his appeal. so he will most likely be eliminated from the race and picking uh behind the boss. and in terms of the, uh, the improvement it's 2 years considering that off. uh, have, you know, a young sancho is and, and how a galvanized huge support age bible support from the public. i do not foresee that the, this is the end of a song quotes, political feature. he will definitely remain as a significant in the center, the lease of politics moving forward. but they are the to, you know, their key difference. a specific here in the context of protest there 2 different scenarios either. um, cell battery hosketler repressed simply a squash to protest. uh, take a sancho behind the boss and we'll go ahead but the top. com. that means that includes in the country or in the 2nd. a 2nd scenario is a following,

this strong and powerful pop public back a push back that will be a political negotiations between the different sites to find a peaceful solution. and, you know, maybe one last point in terms of possibly 2 of them and a tricky because we be, we heard over the, you know, last few days. i do not foresee any possibly to of them of the tricky because set a goal as a relatively functioning democracy, not in this range of a political parties, rubble of civil society, and then they have implant. so socially, this religious leaders, they usually step in to mediate the political discrete between the, the, the, between the politicians. so, uh yes, it will definitely be a turbulent times for signing all. but i do not foresee, definitely military intervention at this point. more so i know that there are a lot of issues at play when it comes to what's going on in senegal right now. and also we just have about 2 minutes left. but i want to ask you if,

if one of the things young people are taking away from this moment is if young people in senegal are seeing this moment as their opportunity to put pressure on the government and address the issues that are impacting them. the most very, very simply put, the young people do not want a 3rd time for punch it in like this out. and they do not want to see what they call their last chance for their hopes and dreams to come to pass. just disappear with song simply, but they don't want a 3rd time. they do not want salt to be put in jail because there's a history of candy this putting a new aside because the president doesn't want them to run for presidential. that's if we have less than a minute, marie roget. if marcus all does announce that he will seek a 3rd term, will more people come out into the streets? do you believe that will be the case? oh probably they, i, i think it like the idea that

a lot of people don't like that idea. sure. as we see. but some also do like the idea we should say that to because i, i made some. so the point is if exit at the end of the day, he has enough arguments, the legal arguments because he said has consulted this and that, and that, that the supreme court says he can run. i think what we can do is to ensure that the election is free and fair that he can run. but he might not we. so uh, i think that the, the but nobody should die for it right now. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much for all of our guests, which i had during mazda morero's, a below a, and bar. so top and thank you to for watching. and you can see the program again any time by visiting our website down to 0 dot com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ag inside story. you can also doing the conversation on twitter

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