and ones, the risk of escalation these heights, the issue a, made the comments off these european tools to promote beijing's plan to end the conflict. these trip started with me things in chief and ended in most good. it says both russia and ukraine. welcome, china's involvement in finding a diplomatic solution to the what the, what else to say are, these are the main stories now more than 230 people have died in what's now india's west train next in this century. around 1000 people have been injured. cruise in the eastern states of additional recovering bodies from overturned carriages. the as i stepped out of the washroom, suddenly, the team telephone. i lost my balance. i held on to something almost cold. my body tilted my slippers, my back, everything fell. people started falling on each other and i was shocked and could

not understand what happened. my mind stopped working. the whole coach was still too well that's going back to me with a 10 to 15 people fell on top of me. i was at the bottom of the pile of paper. i had my arm and that can then when it goes time to the train, i saw some of that last background and another person that lost their leg on say, government protests have continued in setting a goal for a 2nd day. 10 people had been killed. demonstrations broke counts from the sentence in a position that was months. ok. fighting incidents capital has intensified off to the collapse of ceasefire towards a to be setting. and guns fine has been heard across the hall to an on demand based insult reports in your assumption of strikes. one of the wealth food programs main regional warehouses has also been attacked. the un security council is expressing deep concern and is quoted on all sides in sit down to resume donald is voted to

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increasingly fragile. what will us politics look like? as we had to the presidential election of 2024, the quizzical look us politics, the bottom line, the welcome to the stream. i'm heidi joe castro, for decades. labor unions have been on the front line of efforts to protect and improve worker rights. but as the global climate crisis intensifies, they are demanding a worker friendly, just transition away from fossil fuel based economies. but you ins international labor organization will discuss ways to achieve adjust transition in its annual conference next week. the aisles, global coordinator for green jobs explains what that term means. but just transition means for modeling environment to be sustainable economies. you know, way that is fair. any proceed to every one. concert,

walk is and to price these communities. it implies maximizing the social and economic opportunities of climate and environment to action while minimizing and care fully managing any challenges. just transition matches for all countries, full levels of development. it is important for both economic sectors, informal, as well as the form of the economy in europe and rural areas, a lot. joining our conversation today from johannesburg. n as in body is secretary, the national shop stewards council at s. com, south africa's energy utility. he's also a commissioner on the presidential climate change commission. deanna, who get out codio, is director of energy and just transition at industrial, a global labor union federation. she is in geneva,

and annabella rosenberg is senior advisor on just transitions at the climate action network. she has years of experience examining environment and labor related issues she is in paris and a you can also be part of today's conversation. please send us your comments and questions for our panel on you to 1st. thank you so much to our guests for joining us. i want to 1st establish what is at stake here. why are we talking about this today? that i l o says the climate crisis is quickly becoming the greatest threat to workers everywhere. deanna your federation represents tens of thousands of workers across the globe who are the most vulnerable and how are they ferry? the? yeah, the we could say that's a now the, the work is helping us through. i said there's something different for front of these of disagreement, flight crisis. and that's why we need to take action. so as soon as possible. and

they have many tied in just a say that they don't know a how the future looks like for them. they don't know where to be the new do is have going to be how those jobs looks like. and if they are going to be, be send jobs. and this is one of the many months how they are going to, to face a this, these, and deals and make them a for all of them. because us and we stuff i would say in the beginning, they are also a going to have a difference. is it? but everyone is going to be in fact it's no matter where they are. everyone indeed, you know, see what does the threats of climate change look like for a metal or a co worker in south africa? yeah, and this is a very difficult moment for them. it's on with us. because everybody else is probably something that i'm 2nd when it comes to the issue of jumps. and the jumps

out that it's very important in any kind of me like south africa. so the economy, which is a low growth economy. and when you lose that job, you almost have to make it to find another job. so the issue of closure of power stations really is problematic because we don't believe that the duct transition is supposed to happen at the base which exclude to the other. another one illustrates. so what that meant, what? cuz just transition is not the tasks on through the what can i say? it is just me. it's really the minute on the i didn't that needs to be tested are the, is the better judgment of the, with us from ideal to actions, right? that's why we're here today on a bill like you have worked in both the labor and the green movements. and i think historically, there's been a perception that those 2 things may be at odds, but that doesn't appear to be the case anymore, right? absolutely. and i think this is also the history of the test transition concept.

what makes it also very interesting and very powerful for uniting those 2 worlds besides the, that word test should not be put in a situation where they have to choose between the jobs and their health or the environment or the safety of their communities due to climate change because i think of course, very specific challenge in the energy sector and through the industrial sector that i'm sure we are going to be talking about. but i think it's also very important to realize that the challenge of the climate crisis impacts heavy on every single work around the world. let's think about fire, what fire fight there's for example, right now, fighting terrible fire us all around agricultural workers whose conditions are becoming impossible due to extreme heat like you need to. we can think also about health workers that are going to be working even tougher conditions because of what climate is generating. i think bodies also the reason why unions internationally

and industrial is a spot of the so for have organized to ensure that we are on unions are on the right side of the story. and at the same time, raising the voices for workers in these conversations, which are often not here. and speaking of raising those voices, there have been more a more pro task in which we see both labor and climate active, this raising their voices together. let's watch this clip from the climate action rally and munich in march, where we do see those 2 sides, joint forces and see to know why so many people in this country are losing their hope at this moment. and they are asking themselves as a politician's cat, get it done that who and the answer to this question is easy. we will do it in the instruction to forecast, we need a policy change for transport. we need public transport so that we can do something about countering climate change. and i'm really please that fridays for future or

with us on this, the dumpsters i'm of, i think it's important to talk about these protests, but it's also important to talk about examples of when things have worked and deanna. i know you've been paying close attention to developments in europe, including in spain, which i've read is now an example, perhaps a model for other places to follow. can you tell us what's happening there? yeah, and it's a what it's happening to spain, is that the thanks to the, to the government, the racing in place right now. they created, they started with the energy low. is that energy frame? that's a cool this way. one of the parts is about the adjustment season. that's and no is so so about providing an energy frame in the, in the medium and long term. but also, i know there's 2 different transparency but also possibilities for, for investors. and to have some ideas about how the future looks like for the,

for the country in the energy sector. but the key thing here is about the adjustment cc and is how this is developed. they created the adjustment, is this your needs to do? that is, is a body that's words in a type of thing, blevins. and these every percentage by the government up to nothing else, but also a regional levels. and employers are present that these. but also the union is what it goes out of there. and they have been working together in different plans, different programs that like the close of the coal mines, for example. but also the close little bit that in one of our plants, that's right in the spanish government, reaching a deal. uh, with those mining unions back in 2018 a to support communities through adjust transition. now that's a few years ago. have we seen this actually put in practice deanna? yeah, this is really happening, but it is not perfect. if we could say that's, we could not see the perfect just once you see on the plan so far, this is why we are working so hard bets and it's,

it's very good is really those to be perfect. the only thing that we can, that we can see is that this program was it was made with anticipation enough to be prepared for that for the future. for okay, when you close the clothing lines or the 10 most of our plans, what is next? because when you are closing, you have the workers there and those workers do have to multiply everything for, for it, because these are the workers have family lives behind. but also they leaving communities, they closing the sobs so that they there is much more that's that, that they have around. so the main issue that we could see there is about the, the time a that's that it was not very welcome to lou. and now they are starting to develop the projects and the in the renewable energy is to be implemented in those areas. but the idea is that that will be done before much earlier. you know, they're 2 half appropriate and it's on ccn and quick for work. it's still

a good start annabella and i think one something that is also quite interesting and just to give the audience a sense of the scale of that example. because i think like we have in spain, i mean these, we are talking about 20000 workers, roughly affected in the i mean both coal mining. what remaining of coal mining plus the power plant? i mean, like coal fired power plants, i mean 40 is the managed to we gain roughly the amount of jobs that were lost. oh, but i think it's really important to think that when we have thinking about south africa and what we're thinking about colombia when we're thinking about indonesia, places where the energy transition is being discussed. we're talking about a scale that is much bigger than what we are seeing today in europe. and that is happening in that context where people don't have a safety net. when even the basics of social protection are not secured. and because what, i'm, what uh, brother, you know, with say,

like the fee are for job loss is much higher also because people have very little to hold with enough time upon 70. and i think it's also important to note these that the correlation between green's and, and bruce or red. so i mean between environment, the least on, on unions is also getting stronger in places where some governments, i know the society here. um, to the months we are seeing these and kind of that, but we're also seeing very interesting progress, for example, between oil work has and on the environmental movement in columbia, with the government east leasing. i'm putting in place on extremely ambitious transition so. so to say that be the landscape of corporation in creating these blue and green alliance is happening. and i would say provide me with a bit of a like community on the environmental side. finally, because for a long time, social categories was the lead, the seats there of um for,

for the environment, the least. i think it's because, you know, ford as you're not. gotcha. i can hear what i can hear. what as i say, but you know, for me, in south africa, the, is a big problem. the big problem that we have is the global know it's business, one side of glass to close our costs. this is kareka. when they have been said of, i'm not really show of what the transition is bringing up to that plane. spence, i mean, does anybody independent to say about a 120 percent increase in the import their zip code to europe? what is your going to call you back with? the don't want us to do with the quote. basically, i think the best thing to do is to answer the question of times as you honestly and openly. otherwise we have been bullied because people have been telling us to close people when they themselves are finding that post asians using co. i'm not unless

somebody would say to me and they are producing ice cream with this quote. by providing the power stations. then we have a good, as well as a debate that the europeans ask when selling us to, to power stations so that they can, they can actually give us of money. defense our debts crisis, williams, the i checked the status because we was looking at the device you, which is at 7 to 1.0 percent. and the people that come through with this morning and what's the truth with young people at 6 the present moment. i'm 60 percent, i'm employed. and so in the airlines that when, when do just that, i'm to you by borrowing money from the global know we are below is that because the global is supposed to be paying for the damage they close to the claimant,

not to give us loans, but give us come, the probably makes so the cause of it may not carry the burden of dealing with clement to buy borrowing money. so you know, try to do another seems to come is the, is the, is a solution here that christ is it the pace then of this transition is that one of the major problem is that the not, not all countries are on the same page as far as how quickly this can be done in a responsible way that protects workers. a yes, this is the base and this phase is not good on my. i saw that i only and that is the problem because of the believe just transition. so the southern, the believe that and the phase we kind of thought the phase we can afford talks to process about just this making so that we don't leave anyone i was making so that we haven't but just a bit of job today. all those things i've done at the pace vegas no way you'd have

to just that's i'm i'm, it pays for something with the company like sort of yes, yes. deanna. go ahead on team, but it's only the base i i agree that basis escape, but i don't the only thing else, the thing that is about disrupted the and is planning mean that the funds and thinking about these, how do you want it? i mean, you have to, you have to tell them you need to raise your voice and tell them what do have to say because we, the union and the water does have to be at the table. and that's the key of all these fancy soon. so you need to make and then the plan destructed, the joint live with them. um, and the internet wasn't always doing that was when doing that, euro and i have a comfortable instead of giving us money that present buttons that, that, that, that's what mines the speed that is based kind of what the problem is. and you know, i understand what you're saying in new york, maybe things are happening quite well. but inside the guy, particularly,

we know that we don't have to solve the reason, just the repetition. they are hands on over the show on over the money that are good, a given to us. those pays, but that's up mind noted by our sense the international monetary fund honestly spends the issue of, of, of, of, of coupling that brought us. yeah. you know, i know that you the bills imposition of topics on our product. of course you're pushing us, you're giving us speed. that is not a problem to our ability. that part of the problem, that portion is coming from a global agencies, including the international monetary fund and annabella, i wanted to bring you back in because there was a report written by the ion math and released last year and pulling it up here on my computer it has a, a, it has a pretty convincing title, getting on track to net 0, accelerating a global, just transition in this day,

decade unable to give us a critique. so those are main critique of that report is that it only mentions trustworthy should mean behaving. um we chose delivered no problem be sure and uh that sometimes we, we have, you know, a global of 30 days on a year. and he knows and anger about who's making decisions about the test transition. and which words are we using need sometimes feel like a concept that has been so dear for the labor movement that is being embraced by, by the climate test. these movement now is being diluted in a bunch of times in a bunch of reports that don't we, that are, but really talking to that i'm be sure. and this is as much what is happening with the tests and the do try see some partnerships that he knows he's talking about initially, a very interesting idea that for one's the global not would be supporting emerging economies on developing countries and getting out of industries that need to be

transformed, that will create that good create jobs, but we are not seeing any job until now. everything that has happened in south africa with the tests and the transition partnerships have been conversations about the various ation of the electricity markets in south africa. and thought it was not the deal that was not what we want the just transition to be used for. i think it's again, we are coming here and i know we were saying at the beginning we are world examples . fact is that real world examples are very few because they live in a foundation of government right now is below. and of course that are my best of dependency between north and south. but i think also, as i saw them to do, says we also need to call out our own governments for their lack of vision on their local foundation on the direction they want to give to our countries. we cannot continue in a box of dependency and extractive ism, which is what's called an all i mean their dollars out of giving us, i mean 30 will have they are giving us jobs indeed. mm hm. but those are not

necessarily what the next generations need. they need, he was done at these they need new opportunities so, but he's a lot of hypo chrissy in the air and i absolutely agree with that. and there is a lot of leadership. i'm glad we're talking about this. yeah. and i think this will also be discussed next week when the aisle, oh, meets deanna. i know you will be there in person. how. what do you think actionable? what kind of actionable things may come out of this meeting to build upon the words that have been tossed around? yeah, i think that of to 10 years is, is the moment that we are all expecting just to make these adjustments. these are real us in those was mentioned and this is not happening. and this is going even in very different, different phases and what we are expect it to him is to get complete absence. one of them could be there been open a justin cc on plans that can be done. i to region 11 us and the company level. but

we need to see those plans, those the strategies in place. but we also need to see the money where the money is coming from and where it is going to. because it all, this is also about money, about financing this transition, because these are, these will have a cost who is going to pay. that's what we can not a permit, is that's what it goes. pay the this one, see. so this is totally unfair. and this is what say what we can not today what we cannot do a nose. yeah. or your brothers or the wordpress ultimate advantage of being sacrificed on the verge of being so i could have 5 because they have been put on these things that i talked to. calvin, problematic between the power station. it's a point that we can refer to when it comes to what just moved to another power station,

which means more and more of the process has been closed. when people are moved to as opposed stations, we will be writing a business case for the placements and the data is better valid scale. we cannot do transition, but we, we should really populate is that a prep to come and talk much? and also they should be a planning of the community of the places where the decent investments are up and we can do the 9th and himself the by the way. they was, they would know what's not the, the, the economy, the people in the market didn't know anything, but once they've been in the webcast, didn't even know what it was. everything went to know the few people would say it was supposed to know. but you know, when it comes on this advertising, people from one position to a matter, it does have a problem because it does have a right to a business, pays for them to be replaced with the other boss stations wouldn't become owned by

studies in a matter you know the limits, it can be the problems here. is it that global sound voices are not speaking loud enough or is it that the global north isn't listening no more. but the number of, i mean the giving us loans, it's a problem. they lived with the agent, but they must allow us to drive the type of fish and then listening. i'm not, i mean, i've spoken to several invoices from different a compass. i mean, i'm not sure whether they even listen to us. we keep on the same thing that you are responsible for the method that makes the clement you're not supposed to be given loans. you're supposed to be revising. you're supposed to include that in front of the 5 minutes of the government and that needs to mitigate the adapt. we don't need to get into that because of how much they can come in the climate. because

developed companies, dudley, the climate monthly, the basic and the lazy. now they need to give up the money so that we may be able to mitigate and adapt. but in this feed and the pays we can afford. yeah. unfortunately, our time is almost coming to a close anabel. i want to go to come to you because you've said stubborn optimism. that's a term that has united labor in green movements. what do you mean by that? i guess what i want to mean with that is that we know the trustees and he's going to happen as we don't know if he's going to be just because dust is, is only a result of mobilization and a power struggle. and i'm a here absolutely. all the frustration, but i think this is also a moment for raising together with the minds we struck the g. i'm pushing both north and south in the leaving for workers on communities. i mean like there is

still everything to be built about climate strategies. this is only the beginning, and if there's one thing i learned in my 15 years working with the trade union movement, that is not only important to know when you went. but the most important thing is to know when you are losing, to keep fighting for winning. i think that the level of a stubborn optimism is certainly one that the environment though tough, these groups would learn a lot from that. so if he goes, we have a message telling, thank you. thank you so much of all of the station. thank you so much and your message to not give up, but also to listen closely to task conversations. those are both important. thank you so much to all of our guests and that is all for today. but you can always find us online at streaming dot alj a 0 dot com. thanks for joining us for this important conversation. the

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