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for the latest news as it breaks it, while some authorities are looking into the clearing last generation of criminal organization, they are receiving some support from society with detailed coverage. these read the ministry has, should demolition orders for the home, some of which are funded by the european union from around the world. it's a realty here. it has to be in my, in the tyra as people try to find the way out is active diplomacy and international involvement is meant ridge of type air. the ones re election was monitored closely from washington to moscow. so how influential this are key internationally, and what can we expect in foreign policy during 30 ones? 3rd term, this is inside storage. the
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hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much in room president ridge of tied are the ones return to power? inter key means the crucial player in the geo political arena's of europe in the middle east remains in place for another 5 years. analyst have described president are the ones foreign policy is representing both continuity and change. a flexible approach driven by pragmatism can at times, place him in a unique position to kit has. nato is 2nd largest military. it is also the only member of the defense alliance that enjoys meaningful relations with russia. there don't want to help broker a deal between moscow and keep to allow the shipment of grain from occupied ukrainian ports of hurting and global food crisis. we'll be discussing how to case he's the world and how the world of caesar k with our guess in a few moments. but 1st, this report from ship on soak. turkey is pro active foreign policy has been a hallmark of present friendship type,
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edwin's plane and office. the relations with the west have been rocky since and attempted to in 2016 or 2 on the leaves. his western partners fails to support him, prompting him to take a more independent pass, displace established alliances such as the countries membership of nice. oh, good, i take this and i'm going to for the next 5 years, you promise to work with all our strength should have to protect the glory and honor of to keep like to increase its reputation around the world. we guarantee the protection of our states on the integrity of our homeland and unconditional solver until foundation nato allies are hoping and grow will give the green light to sweetens bid to join the defense alliance before summer's in july. everyone has to late approving the application for months, no straining, relations with the u. s. on nato allies. there's tension to with the us over turkey is cordial relations with russia,
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but everyone has also supplied keith with weapons displaced the objections for moscow. the presidency is keeping channels open with bruton as vital if used to media in the war in ukraine, closer to home or the one has promised to continue military involvement in syria, lots of vitamins because without them the observers will find the more determined bravery, more active in more compassion to, to kia which fights against terrorist organizations more decisively, both inside and outside of sports, there's a relentlessly pragmatic approach to foreign policy. sometimes men to shifting alliances last year to key a reset relations with many of its regional foes, including saudi arabia, the united arab emirates, egypt, and armenia. and some arab nations reconciled with syria. it's likely and 2 or 2 will speed up the normalization of relations with its southern neighbour shavone
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silk for inside story. all right, for more on all this, let's bring in our guests and moscow is dimitri bondage, political analyst at the civil now and international media group based in the russian capital. and it's dumble, is it said the then they're out associated professor at the basic university. she specializes in the political economy of slump and in brussels. is steven airliners, the chief diplomatic correspondent in europe for the new york times a warm welcome to you all and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story. so that, let me start with you today. now that present air to one has been re elected, should we expect continuity, as well as change when it comes to what your kids born policy as? well, yes, i do expect to continue to large extent. after all, it's the same leader, the same party and add on has been branding himself and turkey as an actor. you
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can talk to the of the west and east, a natal member on the one hand, but can talk to put in on the other hand. is role as a mediator during the rush. are you creating war the to create the foundation of to grain quite door agreement, for instance, was a major international accomplishment for at the one. and he presented to a such in domestic politics. and he was rewarded by his voters like selling drones to praying, buying natural gas from russia and making both sides, except that it was up in the line to old and add one emphasize that he had those skills. so i do expect our dawn to continue presenting himself as an independent world leader promoting turkish interest. not anyone else's and highlight to refusal as a country that has a strong defense industry, an independent international position. these are the major will powers basic,
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a rational act to rush outlooking and maximizing focus interest rather than an ideology or if any world powers say the fact that the level of trouble. sure. although he observed this foreign minister since 2014 present air to one just named tucker and feed on his intelligence chief as the new foreign minister. what does that mean and all this as well? how courtesy done is like you say, she former chief intelligence, she is known to be a rational actor, a pro western you could say, but also pro active and not a passive partner of the west peace relations with the westwood polluting. tricky is interest. we're actively, he has to be big about promoting security along the syrian border. so we may expect his appointment as ad one's commitment to his brother
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new policy in syria, which promotes security along the syrian border and allow some of just, you know, for g is to go back. rather than criticizing a search domestic policy or promoting political change in syria, so peace or dialogue which syria establish border security along the syrian border and fight terrorism. that's what hawkins done has been representing steve. and obviously we can't have this conversation without addressing nato early on. in the discussion, just a short while ago, nato secretary general and stilton bird called onto her key to drop it's opposition to sweden's accession to nato. i want to ask you about that because turkey approved finland succession to know in march. but where things stand right now when it comes to granting approval to sweden to joint a lot of it is in mister edwin's head,
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the hope is in washington and brussels elsewhere, certainly in stockholm. but having been re elected by a good margin, having shown his nationalist credentials having i think with justice able to say that the sleepless new anti terrorism law, which went into effect june 1st, is in large part due to his pressure on sweden to crack down on curtis terrorism and others forms that mr. antoine will decide it's enough and will allow sweet and i mean, that's my view. i may be wrong again, i'm not inside his head, but i do think, given his economic troubles, which are severe he, he needs to come some things down elsewhere. and i, i suspect amending ties
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a bit with nato will help whether it happens before the vilnius summit, which is like july 10th or so or, or if it comes afterwards, i'm not sure i'd be in the air. the 1 may want to go seek right up to the last minute even inside the don't the us itself. but i think turkey does want this f sixteens from the united states and updated kips, and the american congress has made it pretty clear that the swedish approval of sweden. so nato is kind of a quick pro quote for that. steven more longer term. i want to get your view point on what president, they're the ones re election means for nato and also for western geo political goals because there are analysts out there the believe. the 3rd one is a bit of a threat to cohesion amongst the natal members. i don't think it's
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a problem inside nato, especially to be honest, because nato is a military alliance that doesn't really concern himself much with issues of rule of law and press freedom then. and then those things for which are the one is quite rightly criticized a turkey plays a crucial role as miss them or else a very, very accurately controlling the black sea being a balance or between russia and, and even ukraine. and i wouldn't be surprised if we finally get to some kind of piece talks there that mr. or the one will be one of the mediators. he, after all, did host early piece talk string, russia and ukraine, that didn't go very well. now with greece, i mean he, he made a lot of noise during the campaign about greece, but in fact, i think again,
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given his economic issues, i think he's not looking for more trouble inside, inside nato. that's again, i may be wrong, but that's my sense of what is going to happen. dimitry, the relationship between turkey and russia is a complicated one. we know that a ticket has been performing this balancing act when it comes to russia and ukraine . so key it provides weapons to ukraine, but it also has been deepening its economic cooperation with russia. how does president vladimir putin view the re election of president air to want? what was the reaction in the russian media? and the amount of the expert community was pretty positive, of russia was very cautious not to give any pretext, uh, to suspected or enrollment in the election. so, you know, these accusations were flying from that position, but i think it's, uh,
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absolutely and, and on the sense that go, you know, the drugs are voting for the gun because they want to, there's no way he roderick and forces them to vote for him. and you are right, that relationship has been there won't get one. let me remind you of that in 2015. the drug is a air force as have shut down the russian blame uh, near the syrian border. but uh right now looks like uh, the most racial. no, a person that you, the natal, i ruins you clear, you know, um nato in the west that large, i suppose to be support as a compromise you know, support us of pluralism and democracy. but unfortunately, it is mr. gone, who shows flexibility, who shows ability to compromise. look with syria, aragon is a radio for peace. he uh, there are rumors that he may need a mr. mr. all side and have some sort of compromise with him. after all these years
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of war, we can say to both the west keeps saying awesome mazda gold. and the west is, you know, preventing syria from having normal economic stars with all the content over the world. when it needs it badly and off to the civil war, no rush that supports the ability of mr. don to compromise. as for his team, i would say that this is a very much like garage. in fact it's the only non has inside seems team. so i'm a liberal pro western politician so i mean, look at the biography over, i'm gosh, how to do that or, you know, then, you mean, just throw defense. he walked in the nato contingent in boston. yeah, you know what? he was with the nato commander, nathan, that the same kind of decide about cock on few don. yes, he's a former intelligence chief, but before that, he wasn't adviser, no australian embassy into again, she walked a with several regions institutions. so i think that was the media when it portrays,
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so put in that are gone as isolate issues. you know, why just the, you radiation that one predictable and who don't want to have anything in the quote when with the west. this is simply not true. these people, i mean fortune until recently, i don't even know they were open to context with the west. it was the west that was the region and rejected in a new compromise. and basically needing the things through the terrible state where we see them. now in the me 3 standing in between roxanne ukraine, let me to let me ask you this. do you expect that turkey a will continue to play a leading diplomatic role between russia and ukraine? can we expect more shuttle diplomacy from president air to one going forward? so i hope so because the me started going, it looks like the likeliest candidate for these kinds of role. you're right. the said that there are weapons being supplied from to a kid to ukraine, but these are private company is doing that by rex dollars. a private company of
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course. well, very sad about the fact that the drug is government does not prevent these private companies from doing that. but this is of course, a far cry for all what, for example, greece, also a bike. yeah. the way you know that the governments provide a provide weapons. does that do that? you great, you know, i mean, so are you think me started on looks like a very likely kind of that for some kind of remediation role. and let me remind you that last year in march, in the, in the east unable russia and ukraine live very close to, to, to some kind of a deal. it was some, what is your son who came to the front, who this way? that's as it ask you to fight and deal with the victory will be great and it was him cool. basically seem to be a, you know, destroying the deal with the bodies. johnson of course, in general the new natal lines of ukrainians, victory, east posted one. we must bush for it. that was very destructive, but that was not me. start the gospel,
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you can see the image and to facilitate the deal between life and your brain. so that i want to talk more specifically right now about your keys relationship with the us, which has been fraught. it's been tense for a while. um us presidential biden said just a few days ago that he had spoken with president air, the one in a call and the president air. the one had repeated encore, a desire to buy f. 16 fighter jets from the us, mr. biden reported. we told mr. air dwanda, washington, once encore, it to drop, it's objection to sweden joining nato. so i want to ask you, is this what all this is going to hinge upon going forward? yes or no, i mean, um, but my turkey is relations which united states rent through downturn after during spring, particularly regarding erie and politics are doing particularly felt let down by uh, by the usa is a policies in syria. and ever since you've seen some of the nation between turkey
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and us, but then i still are gone, has never been actively promoting an anti best center agenda. and now we're talk confidence, appointment as minister of foreign affairs. i think we will see a more professional in between the western target, particularly the you and your site entered keith, how confident is being known for his profession policies like i mentioned before, the quite a rational after so. so that's what i expect to see between usa and turkey, close relationships, but still i go on will try to defend um, an independent position is even nice. how are you reacting there to what say that was saying, i'm going to let you jump in, but i also want to ask you 1st about this very tricky, a balancing act that present air dwanda is going to have to try and navigate when it comes to turkey is relationship with syria going forward,
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specifically because syria has now been reinstated as a member to the error of league. so is that going to meet the added pressure on mr . air to want to normalize relations with syria? well, i think he did, will. i don't forget, even in the campaign, one of the opposition charges against or the one was that he has there too many refugees now from islamic solidarity. mr or the one welcome more than 4000000 syrian refugee use. and i think he would like to do a deal with mr. asa to send a big chunk of them back. it's become unpopular inside turkey. don't forget turkey actually occupies a chunk of northern serious. so i think 31 may want to try to do a deal with us about the border. i mean, clearly what used to air the one on is concentrating on is the british workers
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party and it's syrian of affiliates, but that's what worries him, that's what drives him. so i think, you know, it's, he'll, he'll be pushed to deal with mr. assad, but who he tried to, we wanted to over throw, don't forget before, but i think in the end it's probably good for mr to long because the things he wants out of syria and mr. all sudden might be able to get him to dimitry. um, how beneficial to russia is its financial relationship with turkey and also does president foot and expect president air to want to turn away from the west. more going forward. how well i mean, the way the world wants all the country is to turn away from a new one and go to the west. we want to cooperate with everyone. unfortunately, their relations with the west um, were driven into
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a dad and i believe not by russia. by the other side, and i think that example of mr. dudley is a very good one. i mean, the west may accuse him of not been consequential, not trying to, uh, you know, almost mr. ross up until the 2nd coming. but this is a big question. what is my moral, you know, to be considered grand show and to continue to brush a country that went through a civil war. but economic sanctions and by all sorts of pressure, or to make peace and to excuse yourself for mistakes which you made. i mean uh after that unexcused give us that would be for rush for shooting down the plane in 2015 or we accept that uh these extra, you know, leak except that's a he is um, hip all legit. so uh, i think uh what put you on expects from octagon is pragmatism. uh, turkey is a silver and country. it needs a roxanne gas. it needs uh,
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economic corporation with ross and all the contracts, all the former soviet union. and turkey is vonda with a few countries that can sustain west compressor. the west is now absolutely, uh, you know, a force, you know, the congress to, to stop economic cooperation with russia to impose imposing the so the so called the so called secondary sanctions on them. a tricky is wrong with the fuel contests that can resist this pressure and i think we're getting cold so that that is on wouldn't be able to resist it. but there are no illusions mean russia when styled the turkey and as president a 1st of all after their own interest. that's normal. what not the worst. but i'm going to say those why not with us are against us. those who are not against us, the role all of boxes, including the gun, including judge steven it looked like you want to jump in. go ahead that just simply to say that russia is isolated from and
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nato's support for ukraine's is a function of brushes, invasion of a sovereign country. let's not forget that. and to try to pretend that or the wall and then mr. put in those positions are the same or it is frankly a little disingenuous. put it, put it like that mr. ad one is very good. that's defining what he thinks is the turkish national interest, which is fine. and he's done it pretty well, but that includes being part of a nato alliance. and if he is dependent on russia, which he is for gas for hard currency, for economic ties, and don't forget turkey has not joined western sanctions against russia.
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this is part of being an ally with a lot of interest, but to pretend that somehow or the one is being isolated the way mr. portland is being isolated. again, i would just say is uh, disingenuous dimitry. i see you raising your hand. i know you want to make a point, i will let you, but please keep in mind we are running out of time and i do want to get that question into said as well. okay, very short. i gave a bit of shots. uh we uh, i think uh steven me, we know each of this is 1991 when we briefly met that multiple. so she knows the long story before a russia invite that ukraine into 1022. but also steven himself has just said that the ticket book supplies at john goals, syrian territory, syria is associated country. and let me remind you of the united states. okie supplies, some very important chunk of syrian territory with
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a lot of oil that remember called mr. trump said i was the oil. so i think the united states is the last country that can accuse rochelle, brake and international. say that let me ask you about the economy because president air the one named mmh, whom check as the treasury and finance minister in his new cabinet. i assume shak had been highly regarded by investors when he served previously as the economy. chief, i want to ask you about if this appointment in particular marks of departure from these years of an orthodox economic policies under mister are the one. and also will this be a move that is welcomed by international investors as well? should cause known. i mean, he proved himself previous the intercourse of politics. he has been impressed, successful, but he represents, as you mentioned, orthodox economic policies. what i do on has been quite insistent insisting on
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these low interest. unorthodox policies are done has been claiming that he could fight inflation, which no interest going against all uh, established economic principles. so many people wonder whether she said coming back means doing is actually finally willing to return to orthodox economic policies. promote he pressure. i shall check to do his magic, but the, you know, remain committed to on, on to docs, policies. well, on his victory speech. i don't just recently emphasized that he has no clue of deviating from his on orthodox policies. but then again, a pointing shake will make some people question, well maybe if there will be some of the b sions. and depending on well
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the extent of kids deviation you may expect outcomes if there will be some i know, raising interest. many people dell that, that were range, major consequences because the, if you want to return to orthodox economic policies, we need to major inc. interest rates. but just some people say, even if there will be modest increase interest rates. that coupled with show 6 higher petition 10 may be attract for an investment and can create a positive wipe that can stimulate economic normalization again, instead of just very quickly, we have one minute left where does air to one's relationship with air of countries and more specifically, with the wider middle east go from here as well. during the art of spring, we so took this form policy drifting away from the traditional pro western past or
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to or new or to in this direction. trying to influence middle east politics. assuming leadership of the loves, the middle east, all the time are going to assemble down one because of probably the most syrian refugees. second feeling betrayed by the usa and 3rd economic difficulties. all of these pushed are the one towards a more horrible. rational line, b, c, are doing, trying to start. so i look again in with syria in libya or saudi arabia into november 8th, on the other hand. so, particularly regarding goals, countries, all the countries, i guess you could say conflicts are less important now then add on is need of short term funding. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thank you. so much to all of our guest dmitri, by which said at dinner up and stephen,
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voted no big picture. us was a question that goes into the very foundation of judy until the cause of its relationship with indigenous people. in the midst of chewed pos to on the jersey, a living in limbo, palestinian refugees in lebanon, say they are fed with watching the escalating violence and occupied territories. watching their people suffer indignities at the hands of his rate from a distance and from a country whose own economy is in tatters and never being to find this time. but i know about different my family. all the attacks happening to make me feel like it belong to the nation, even more generations displaced and the generations for abroad yet to set foot on their end festival with every passing year, whenever there is an escalation of tension and violence between israelis and palestinians for the thousands of people living in refugee camps like this,
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the hope of going back home a rate of return is something that slips away just a little bit more. we don't live in palestine and lived inside us and to remain here is to live as some of the porous people in lubbock. the of the hello i'm several venue. it's great to have you with us. this is the news our live from don't. coming up in the program today, the governor of the russian city of belgrade says he is willing to meet a pros, ukrainian group that is holding russian soldiers hostage. saudi arabia and russia agreed to further cuts in oil production as opec 6 to sure.
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