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how do you states control information controlling the narrative? dominating the media, how does the narrative can pull public opinion and norma? spite? it might not be the most important story about china of today. but that's what the public attention to. how is citizenship? listen, we framing the story. the listening post, i fixed the media. we don't cover the news, we cover the way the news is covered. the hi, i'm heidi joe castro and welcome to the stream. the role of artificial intelligence has long been debated in military communities. but with recent leap, frog advancements and the technology discussions about the role of ai in warfare are gaining urgency. so today we ask is in a i arms raised underway as always we want to hear from you. so please be sure to

share your thoughts and questions on our youtube chat. joining us to discuss from washington dc, paul shari arthur of for battle ground power and the age of artificial intelligence with us from london. melanie garson cyber policy lead and director of geo politics at the tony blur institute for global change. and with us from san jose costa rica, mat moody researcher and advisor on artificial intelligence and human rights with amnesty international. thank you to our guests for joining us today. melanie, i'd like to 1st start with the question, why are we here? are we really facing an a i arms race thank you and it's good to join us. i think of the way we frame a retrace. we have to be really careful. just set that on races to different

parts of the honda thing a i, but be careful to understand the it's a system of systems. so what we're seeing recently was i looked at the narrative. it says races to understand different parts of the process. is it that with that, that knowledge language models or something? oh good them. so the parts or components and they will be so the rushed to different parts of the whole technologies. mm hm. but i think it's a re upped recap to think about. it's not just the way, so the kind of image read that we have of a i west to me. well, we do know global leaders have talked about this a lot, right? coming from the us, from china, from russia. president who to in even saying previously that the nation that leads in a, i will be quote, the ruler of the world. paul, i want to come to here for this question about practical things. how are military's

currently already using ai as well? we're certainly seeing militaries around the world adopting a uh in fact, it's already being used in the war. and ukraine is so widely available. it's not just advance as military's that are using a on even civilians can kept our hands on air technology. so we seen, for example, civilian drone operators and ukraine that are working with ukrainian military using small quad comforter. drones have used a i tools that are available online for free and embedded these into the grounds for things like image recognition. so when the drought is looking down on the ground with a camera, it's not just human eyes. it's also the a i is looking through this camera and detecting objects. that's a truck, that's a tank. that's a very valuable tool and we're fair. but is it an arms race? i absolutely agree with. no, one of the reality is we're not seeing it. when we look at spending,

it's about one percent of the us military spending. that's on an average, right? it's not even a priority. if we're being honest, right? right now, the ways that it is being used is data analysis, right, and surveillance. the data analytics firm palance here has developed a tool to help commanders make battlefield decisions. here's a video of how that works. it confirms that potential threats to drones that it shows an enemy g. 80 main battle tank generate 3 courses of action to target this enemy equipment. the operator uses a i teach generate 3 possible sources of action to target the sending the equipment . next they use a i p to automatically send these options up, the chain is command, send these 3 options to my commander for review. if you listen, if you listen closely to that description key here is that still the decisions are being taken by humans. however,

the pentagon said in january that it will allow the development of a guy that can make kill shots on their own. and so i wanted to point to my laptop where there is some examples of what is in development. this is the us air force, designing a combat system where human piloted fighters will eventually fly in tandem with drone wing. then we have here russia and the u. s. developing jerome submarines. this one you're seeing here is the unmanned 85 foot orca developed by the u. s. navy, which will be used to lay c mines. this video. it's a little bit out there, but the australian army is testing telepathic robot dogs. they do not need voice commands because the operator wears a headset that detects brain ways. and the robot dog complies. and finally, a real current example. again, we're talking about russia and ukraine. the russia says it's deployed the marker on

man ground vehicle in ukraine, supposed to automatically recognize western tanks and destroys them match. i would like to come to you next. we see all these. a advancements in development at least in the air on the ground in the seas. what are your concerns? ok. well, 1st of all, i think, pointing to the fact that melanie said, these are systems of systems is really important because part of the narrative around it means that we fall into this into this trap of basically thinking that the systems are new and haven't been in development for a long time, and as you just pointed to, it's been a, it's been a debate that has been standing for, for a couple of decades now. but in particular, in this sort of weaponized nation space in the military space, we've been talking about this and from the, from the angle of a ton of his weapon systems. i think it's really important to, to understand that from that angle. because what we see is that there are unique risks that are close by the systems which consist of various components that are

being deployed in happened, deployed again over the last 2 decades. that includes the system such as facial recognition. it includes systems are predictive analytics include systems such as a motion recognition. these get paired up with other more advanced computer vision technologies and deployed in things such as drones and things like air defense systems. and we've seen time and time again. but despite the fact that they make full claims about what is possible and conditions of warfare, they end up either falling short or leading to disastrous consequences. we only have to go as far as to the 27th of march and 2020, under the libyan prime. minister where economists aerial vehicles are used to shut down the logistics convoys. we saw a number of different examples in which civilians were effectively becoming casualties of the systems. and this is again a largely, um,

sort of i guess make nathan to be around systems that have long standing records in terms of the research that show that they invariably violate our human rights. they violate our rights privacy, our rights to, to equality and non discrimination. we saw how facial recognition technologies was used against black life matter. career testers at the arch, following the murder of george floyd to imagine. now, systems that are weaponized using the same technologies which are biased and which, which also when not biased or used in context that are discriminatory, institutionally, that can only lead to the further erosion of our rights. and, and this is why it's so important to, to tackle those technologies, you know, discreetly, before we get into sort of this essential as debate on a, i mean, sort of taking over the world and mat, you brought up the development of fully economists, weapons which is something that military's across the world are looking at paul, what is the line between semi autonomous weapons which are currently used in combat

and fully economists and how we cross that line yet? well, we're getting close and certainly you know, the systems we have today and you showed pictures of many of the different robotics systems that are in development under see in the air are still controlled by people . humans are still directing them in that video. humans are in the loop making decisions, very few countries and really none of the leading military nations have rule out fully autonomous webpage that will be making their own decisions about whom to kill on a battlefield. and the technology exists today. all it takes is for somebody to put it together. there were some videos that came out in ukraine last summer that showed all of the components of the technology. humans were still in charge, but really all, it takes a few minutes to just step out of that loop. and then we, we begin to cross that threshold where machines are making their own decisions in

a battlefield allows him to kill. yeah, melanie, i want you to watch this video with us. um, it is about and, and it's an arms dealers who are actively promoting new a i power tools to potential customers. and here's one sales pitch heard at the you a is international defense exhibition. in february we'd be sending the homeless, you know, some friends at the moment, you know, across his mind and see, we'd be busy, even, even though i've given them all on i'm on a i covered with a problem with having, i mean more than what to do from time to time, so we need to make sure that the one was updated with the weights in the market on market to meet with us out on this product. read the customer requirement. melanie, what does the arms industry and even the tech industry for that matter?

what does a stand to gain from selling this a, i'd have to military's, of the all we're down to down lots of advantages to using a unable price to say it's within the full 5 by full good and for some of the risks with the and haven't rest set that comes with a unable price that says well, of massively helps. and we, i to already seeing this, going back to russia, ukraine and logistics planning, which is always one of the biggest challenges. but in the military knowing how to get where to work at what point it can not help in a situation or not. let's say service areas that it can make actually will fat more accurate. by the same token, it can make poor fat spot, but it's a way of, you know, the accountability challenges. who have people difficult i think be in the clip we just saw. and i think it's some of the changes we try. we have the captain of

a bit of a some a coil. so what sort of a, rather, you know, a but it's like me, it's definitely you think, well, we need to the, you know, what the customer wants to because actually of the reality of every factual field is different. training the data to be able to see, and this is one of the great challenges we're going to see, which some of the i used to say i in the bustle field is that i would live on having massive amounts of tracing data to be able to act in a specific focus on to and what we know about bustle fields is those focused on to the net. but just saying that that's going to be one of the challenges, which is why as pull pointed out, make sure that the price is received today by to the west point receipts that they still need to keep the human somewhat in the loop. so it's very much what is the purpose of that technology for? yeah, and that's this training material. i itself can be biased and it can be flawed. so there is the risk of a i defense systems responding to a false alarm. bronk,

a mer john is a researcher as a candidate and canadian piece research institute. and she sent us this comment. there's a lot of discussion about a bias there that a i who lives to meet simply makes things up. and those, those concerns are really acute in the complex and dynamic environment. that award zone is after we're talking about, you know, decisions over human lives potentially. and so i think what's really key to understand is, is the role of a i, in transforming a human decision making and particularly the use of a, i, in weapon systems. and there is a, you know, an ongoing discussion of the u. n. an economy has been systems which really has focused on issues of human control, so ensuring that it humans are the ones that are ultimately making decisions to select and engage targets and also accountability so that we can hold someone accountable for the decisions that are made by a system, but in

a system match, you have a machine, makes a lease on mistake. how do we hold that accountable? i think it's important to understand that those systems were both built and operated by particular actors. i think our current discussion has been focusing so much on what technologies are capable of answer stomach send the biases that are, that are built within it. but do we haven't actually talked about regulations and safeguards? and that's really striking to me, given that the focus on reliability and precision of the systems distracts us from the harms that the systems cause. and ultimately gets us away from what we need to be talking about when it comes to a systems at large, which is about exactly what we're, what you're mentioning. carriage is accountability. so both the companies, they're developing that technologies, the actors that are using that technology is the national context within which the technology is operating, who are effectively the responsible party developing the budgets,

the framework under which that technology can be used all have a shared responsibility in and effectively the kinds of data that this might lead to or the kinds of meanings that it might lead to. because of course we see that too. um, what we have to understand is that even when the reliability of the systems are perfected in a sort of a hypothetical scenario, we would potentially giving way for compounded forms of discriminatory violence and showing showing effects. we're looking at things such as institutional racism biases in terms of seem to be able ism, that manifest within the systems of things that under pin how we conduct work there at that at against certain individuals and groups. that may harper, a particular appearances that appear to match stereotypes that we have about what enemy combatants look like. and so you can only imagine how historically marginalized communities, in particular, end up being at the sharpest end of the nice that is

a i military applications. yeah. and i promise we will talk about regulations in a moment to come. but 1st, paul, i, i wanted to, to smear this discussion to the threat of nuclear warfare. now if this is not something that people are saying is eminent, however we have to at least touch on this to be clear. no one is saying a i should be offered the nuclear codes. that is not what we're talking about. but it could inadvertently escalate complex as well. people are concerned, as we see military's adopt a i what are the lines, whether it's a ton of this weapons or really for the most consequential and destructive weapons that we have nuclear weapons. however, we ensure that a i is nowhere near. there's a clear lodge codes. if you guys you read yeah, in the loop on anything related to nuclear decision making. now what's fascinating is, this is now official us government policy. it came out last fall in the us defense

department's nuclear posture. review that human will always be in the loop for all information relating to decisions in front of and using that use nuclear weapons. but we haven't seen that from all nuclear countries. we haven't seen statement from russia or china about what are their policies going to be? i think that's when we think about cooperation and avoiding harms and military. i discipline a pretty low bar to clear. that's like a great starting point. say we all agree. humans seem to be in control of anything related to nuclear weapons, and maybe we can build from there. and it would be great to see other nuclear on countries out of a similar policy. right. yeah, i think go ahead melanie. so i know, i think that's a really valuable i think the in the compensation of the assumption that we don't have control at this point to decide where we employ a weapon in any given time and who we keep on control of that. and when we have the

baseline light, we have the 2 players in the weaponry and we have a, you know, precedence for using that. but is a study base full cooperation of 4 agreements to be built forward on this. and there has been a little bit of movement on this um map, maybe you want to jump back in here. the, the, the recent summit's, the re a just on it hosted by the never netherlands in south korea earlier this year. did that result in some action towards regulating a guy in the military? again, the focus of those conferences of summits and the focus of largely the discussion around military has been around the responsible uses of, of a. i think that's dangerous because by talking about responsible uses of the military context we're assuming and that, that ability. and we're moving away from thinking about questions such as, should any of these technologies be used in those context at all?

and that's an important question to ask, given that many of the again, the component technologies that make up the larger system of, for example, autonomy as weapon systems have records of dire records of human rights farms caused by their usage by, for example, police forces and cities but they don't have record showing that they are generating greater efficiency is, are leading to a lower and crime, which is often the sorts of narrative that are as espoused by various line person agency is actually the kinds of a fantasy that sort of, technically utopian fantasies. that exist out there are a largely based on again, let's make oil to, to borrow melanie's term here. and i think that's, that's again, it's telling for us that coming into those spaces, it's assuming and availability we get. but other than assuming that there was a conversation that we had about regulation. so just being conscious of, that's where we need to bring it back to and, and the kinds of narrative that we also see around the central angle rates. that like actually it's going to get access to the nuclear codes. and before we know it,

the planet is going to be destroyed whilst an important conversation. also, once again distracts from the harms that are documents of that happening on an everyday basis. related to systems like facial recognition, gate recognition and motion recognition, predictive analytics, use the politic as, as predicted, policing. so we need to return to ways of regulating those technologies as well. last having this larger conversation to. yeah, and i want to get into deep face in a minute, but you mentioned that you believe this is an inevitable. however, there are many who may disagree in and thinks that the genie is now out of the bottle. one of them is the computer scientist and a guy pioneer the godfather of a i of the past. some have called him jeffrey hinton, who spoke in may about the urgent need for the world to come together to rain and a i for the existential threat. the i gave my wife is who lived

last like nuclear weapons because nuclear weapons had the possibility, they would just bypass everybody. and that's why people could cooperate on preventing that. because the existential threat, i think may be the us in china, in your can. japan could all cooperate on trying to avoid fedex essential threats. but the question is, how should they do that? i think stopping development isn't feasible. well, in our last remaining minutes, i don't want to neglect the possibility of misinformation, not the possibility, but the reality that it's happening. one example is a video that went viral in january featuring so called american pan. african is supporting a military coup in burkina faso. here's a brief example. hello to the african people and particularly to the berk in a people. we are americans from africa, and we are pan africanist. we appeal to the solidarity of the african people and

the people of burkina faso to effectively support the authorities of the transition . we must support the patriotic movement for safe guard and restoration, and president abraham trailer, who imposes respect for his sovereignty. let us all remain mobilized behind the burgundy. people in this common struggle homeland or death. we shall overcome melanie son. they watch that. and last because it is so obviously fake. however, it does have the potential of, of doing real harm, doesn't it? yeah, absolutely. that is the, with any form of manipulation of the, i'm the use of the general to the ai, whether it to the word or through imagery has the potential to impact of both a democratic was ending in trust and trust in information as a whole, which i can be part of the breakdown of how we operate in the

faith in elections. i do so in this system, but in any form of decision making in our lives. but that, that doesn't mean it's either inevitable. so in some of the ways some of the same purchases that generate the populum, old paul took the parts that says that can help us tackle the program to find solutions to it. yeah, well, we use the conversation is happening worldwide. the paul, i'm going to ask you the final question for today and it is, what should we be most worried about at this moment? i think we need to start thinking hard about regulating the most capable ally systems. and i don't know that we need to be distracted by, you know, the radical concerns, but we look just practical concerns today. the most capable systems like g p, t for the successor to chat g p t can synthesize chemical weapons. demonstrated that it can help do that. it can be used as

a cyber tool for authentic cyber attacks. that's a kind of technology that we don't necessarily want widely available to just anyone . and when you start thinking about non proliferation approaches, to control this technology. so that doesn't get in the hands of terrorists and others who might cause harm with it. all right, well there was another conference in costa rica in february was the 1st regional intern governmental meeting on a guy in the military. and they produced a complete, communicated calling for the urgent negotiation of a binding international treaty. so some progress, however, it a to urge for more negotiation perhaps is still a step that's not very advanced. so that's, that's all for the time we have today. i want to thank you 2 or 3 guess paul melanie and matt, thank you for sharing with us your comments and your expertise, and we will see you next time

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