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money is everything. the room on the jersey to fighting and sudan has led to a new wave of violence and dar for thousands of fled to neighboring chad to escape attacks by malicious. and there are fears this could reignite tribal extensions in the region. so what's fueling this pilots? this is inside storage, the hello and welcome to the program. i'm. i'm a jim june sedan, the army and paramilitary rapid support forces have been fighting for nearly 2 months now. millions of people have been affected, but this latest battle is now threatening to reignite decades old tensions in the western dar 4 region. doctors without borders say, hundreds of civilians have been killed there since violence broke out in april. the

battle began around the capital of to him, but his sense spread so many areas across the country, therefore has become one of its main battle grounds. people in the region say, various militias are targeting civilians and some have a warrant of massacres. thousands of people have been crossing into neighboring chad to escape the violets. we'll get to our guest in a moment, but 1st this update from st as robbie who's at a refugee camp on the chat suit and border whenever we return to places like this to these kinds of impromptu camps where people are arriving from west r for primarily from l janina, one thing becomes very clear, the conflict is not becoming smaller, it is becoming bigger because the number of people at places like this simply continues to grow more and more people arrive into these kinds of conditions. they are living out in the open expose to the elements. it is incredibly hot and sunny now with, with very, very start conditions overhead. but just hours ago,

just last night there was a thunderstorm and all of these people had to sleep through that. so the situation here is dire, the circumstances require immediate attention. these people need immediate medical attention. they need water, they need food. and they are keen to say that they need that help as soon as possible from anyone who can give it, but something that they are also very quick to bring up a very immediately after the idea of self preservation. here they are concerned for those that are left behind, they want to speak to us, they want to speak to whoever comes, they want to tell their story and what they keep saying is that they, despite these terrible conditions, they consider themselves the lucky ones. because at least they are not still in elgin, and at least they are not still under constant attack. bite malicious, they say they are worried for their friends and relatives. they described terrible scenes, many of the dead people that continue to die on a daily basis. can not be buried for 2,

at least 2 very important reasons. the people that are there cannot safely bring their bodies to bury them anywhere. and so they are storing them mostly in their own homes. the dead remain in their own homes. and the other problem that we've heard is that people don't have enough to eat, they simply don't have enough energy to dig the graves to put the people in. so incredibly difficult circumstances in elgin are here in audrey on the border at these refugee camps. and everyone we speak to says the same thing. they want the international community to intervene, if necessary, by force, the same bus driver in audrey eastern chad for inside story. all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guests now in london. may assume the co director of the sudan research group at the london school of hygiene and trump, of, of medicine and here, and they'll have a big we'll have a lesson the, a former student needs diplomat. and now a professor of politics at the door institute for graduate studies,

a warm welcome to you both. thanks for joining us today on inside story. i do have, let me start with you today. so the conflict began around how to them the country's capital, but fighting has spread too many parts of the country. why has dar for become one of the main battle grant? i think i for was the starting point for the mid issue, which is now to the rising cost to uh the uh and before that it was, uh, there was conflict from the ninety's. unfortunately, i have 2 other than the switches. very therefore my the g, my former machine uh, between uh uh, so called out of tribes. uh, what's your corporate key to many magazines from shot the, you know, uh, the inhabitants of western got forwarded back to could i get my salary and the

detention and escalated when the water stops straight into. so get me into upgrade when the government is recruited. so call ginger ridge was more or less the role of factors that said this going to that of the small no magic 5 just who seafood is also a large number of and then she gave me each uh what if you guys had it has been happening in that forward now, is that when that issue uh, uh the, the, uh, the new issue uh from it t. how does talk to some, some of these conflicts that during the past few years, i think from 19, uh i'm to 2020 uh the

some of the, uh, the a component of treasure. and so for what stuff for i've been engaged in a tax on that it should have been proficient that i mean to himself when to that for allegedly to try to provide down. but uh most people say he has been uh uh, secret to supporting the uh the me to show that uh, who have increased the power during the transition or government jumped or she could. and who, how um was very hate. you were punch me. uh which uh, preparation to, to not have a go equivalent to. uh, so i see now. uh, we just what's happening the spectrum uh, maybe the dimness of the community share in what's in that for wanted

to pose beautiful sort of a for fee of that says people in the, in that form i think the issue has we try to rise again and this is way what we see down mesa and i saw you nodding along just some of what i've been, what have was saying there. and it looked like you wanted to jump in. so please go ahead. i um, we work with uh community research as across us it. so don and right at the beginning of this conflict, what has come across from our colleagues and i'm to know it's quite vivid and speaks to it that they will have was saying. so if i can put it in their words, what they say about the situation there is to be honest, the situation is catastrophic. and beyond description to them. the fact that a jeanine and many of the mix, little places that are for a bit of a black box. but what we do know about the impact is that not

only is it wide reaching and an intense, but it is also a compounded by the history of ethnic conflicts and are for it that speaks very much of a genocidal playbook that has just played itself out once more and that's who meditation researchers, we studied conflict the world over and to be honest, we haven't seen anything like this before. this is the in essence, nothing short of the really a renewed genocidal campaign. unfortunately. and perhaps the greater impact under cover for all right. let's now bring in half as much. i'm a director of justice advocate, sudan. i human and civil rights research institute based and sudan. how does um, how much concern is there right now that decades old tribal tensions could be re ignited in dar 4 and, and what would that mean going forward? yeah, the problem is we well actually back to 2000 and city,

2004 in terms of the level of violence and the violence of actually targeting people according to a ty, but and, and this is a deep and it's very serious this time because we don't have a function and go into something. i think that maybe we should like support things that are due to close, the maximum home on damage to uh, uh, some drives and some people in were in was bedford. and actually the very dangerous division of the country is no government to protect the unders towards in these terms of a lot of things and, and, and, and definitely i'll do what have is what is happening in the are for right now, kind of a continuation of the war that broke out there in 2003 and ended in 2020 uh, well, okay. yeah, seen that since say these are the same, the box, these items are engaged, but i think what is different p as the from the half as i know today is from a debt in the past. the,

the fact was between atlas um, oops, uh, what's happening. i think in what's in the, for these middle experience i'd be targeted to uh, buy a, the, uh, the outer safe which was supposed was come. what would the uh, the in the last few years as a kind of protection force that you supposed to be the police and the military that and issues confronting and um, people must not getting them in. i mean, i came to something to get, get my, my, i think this is an important indication that probably the e got the of the after committee, which has like too much individuals do not seem to at this time degree

a problem. and she got in at the moment. the problem is that you have this role going to shift which uh, nothing can seems to uh, to be dictated from uh, doing whatever its been want. like uh here getting people taking the part to the fact that all she couldn't, i think the people continue to homes, hospitals stopping people in the world, people disappear like that. and the measure community seems to think that uh by uh, what is needed is for the people who are affecting this militia to stop by to get to hoping that that happens, the new show will be tamed and just sit down and be nice. i think the quote is probably needed is more a fire power. hm. uh,

i think we should quote for it cuz i'm not sure the kind of cation in within that for the moment. otherwise, it would become during, during the se, mesa and you were speaking earlier about what you call the catastrophic situation facing a facing door for. and i want to ask you more specifically about just how dire the humanitarian situation is there. so in, in my colleagues, once i quote, they say, if this situation continues in argentina, it will be worse than you can imagine. they say that it will be worse than the mass of the cleansing the past. because there are multiple ways that you can die directly viable that and then treated injury or chronic disease stuck in a boarding house that you cannot leave or of thirst. even if you go out to get the water that you need to survive, you get killed. they are very soft, tick that urgent and large scale humanitarian intervention is what is needed

to save what is left half of you heard there may soon talking about a engine in a specifically and, and i want to ask you about that because if we're looking at what's going on in, in door for it seems like the violence, an engineer and a started out as sort of an offshoot of the wider war in sudan. but, but a lot of age groups are now saying that it seems to become a war in its own right. why is urgent in such a hot spot in the conflict right now? yeah, because because there is, um, um, well configured. uh, based on the tribal district line, i'm also at the same time land and resources and i think and that i saw this is going on for them. you know, a fighting around the moon on in this area to just choose amino acids. and also the new settings to actually came on to go over the land of the indian is that 40 from the city from b as must have done other tribes. and the main reason for that,

i think, is korea, it's easiest including what was all as tim says to the current thing, because there are these people that are the displaced as too many id piece come on alternative for using set on the and on this militia that were moved up to the phone so that also that going from neighboring country directly orchestra to compton, based on it's based on fiber line until i also took off. it's a good deal. i think even people are talking about changing even the name of, of, of what's that 4 different name, just the, the, the, the, the way, what for our division. and i think that the orchestra did, i've been going on in been going on for a very long time on that. and is curious because of the, the, the ongoing war and the 1st one that is actually futilely more, i'm acting without having interaction. are you doing an intervention in depth to

the best keeping to enforce wrong or the i don't think we see any piece indefinitely and it's going to be even worse. worse then. maybe i don't want to executive, but it might be another one to. all right, so, so i want to take a step back for a moment. as we mentioned, the fighting and sudan risks re igniting a decades old conflict. and the west turned off for region in 2003 answer, communal violence began when the sudanese government deployed the so called general weed militia to put down an uprising by a tribal groups, hundreds of thousands of people were killed. the you in says 2500000 people were displaced. the conflict ended in 2020, but violent disputes between tribes sparked by land and access to water continue. the leader of the rapids board forces, how many come down the low roads, through the ranks of the jungle. we now i don't have, let me ask you, as we mentioned there, the conflict may have ended in 2020, but violent disputes between tribes, overland, and access. to water continue, why has that continued to do?

i think they the fighting between the groups that 400 that down for quite a while wasn't going on. i think the, the new to figuration. especially in the less than that for that why uh, in the 2000 in the between 2000 until 2015 . uh, they mean issues. uh, where a small number where under control of the army. uh, to all the security agents has to be more up to the size and the number is very small. in the past, uh for 5 years. uh, the number i gave you this. yeah, was given it for money. uh, this ignition was not support forces which was fairly sparking security uh

operator suddenly became part of the army. and then it became independent of the army and it was given heavy where punch or should do you happen to pass. it was given a kind of official, actuated, is not will officially, uh, a government falls in the, in less than that for so it is supposed to be the protective a j. c. of the people that fucked as happy before october. because now kendral is acting on its own account, the st. and i think this is, this is the thing that we have. we already know that because in the past or 5 years . mm let me tell you the parties and i know which weekend and we have these uh, these kind of samuel for show, but uh, what, oh goodness. yeah. uh, i think and they, these people have the agenda that has been difficult with the satellite um for the

amount. mm hm. and i think this is this way of the one that example has, has, or may soon as housings of people have been crossing into a bring chad to escape the violence for those who are attempting to flee to chat. how difficult and how dangerous is that journey? i will quote my colleagues again in this uh they said to try to move to a place of safety across the border within. so don is a quote, a suicide mission. it is incredibly difficult. and so many people to manage to get out, but it's a great cost many to stay. and because of the history of the conflict in places like of janina, the concentrate, the populations tend to be concentrated in highly populated residential residential areas which are deemed to be safe front at the beginning of this conflict. those weren't able to leave into large of ex student dormitories to try that shelter. and those were showed since then there is an estimated 2200000, internally,

displaced with an engineering and living in open air with no shelter, their safety and the quote again, they say every one of these heavily populated neighborhoods. so when the militia enter, they burn it down to the ground, they rob and pillage, and they killed, especially those who are unable to run the elderly, handicapped, and the blind. and we've had from our colleagues, reports of violence against women, especially gender, sexual based violence in terms of rake. again, the decision to leave is difficult in front of the decision to stay. sometimes not a decision you just have to stay is definitely m a soon. i just want to follow up with you to ask about the kind of access that humanitarian groups have been able to

to get. i mean, is that just not happening right now? is there any hope that there could be a humanitarian core door setup or that humanitarian actors would be able to access the people who need aid and, and medical help the most that i can summarize the mentor access and we're one word at the moment, which is not there is no human sharing access into engineering that even within the, within the city itself, just moving about to provide support for members of your own community can be dudley. and so much of the response that is being mounted is very much a localized community lead effort. and it is extremely hampered by the security situation. you know, colleagues describe scenes of just stepping out of their house, putting out a handout or a foot out and being shut up by snipers. so what they're having to do and also help workers are being targeted. what they're having to do in some places is operate what they call secret neighborhood clinics. the,

the clinics are hidden from the outside that are only available to those who know how to get there and, and are close to it. this is of course not feeling in the void in any way. so of course we've asked what is it that you need and they said what we need quickly and urgently security. the provision of the humanitarian corridor is to provide basic health services to provide established displays. people comes with full services to those folks. but the reality is that we don't know when that came out of turn in court or is going to be open to them. and not the obvious to be the focus, right? we need to push for that. there is no way around it so long as people can step outside of their houses. no one is safe, not inside engineering and coming in. so when we want to or is inability to map those 1st responders to understand who is doing what, where and calling really for the humanitarian health community to change talking to change tact quickly. we need to adjust to the situation and support those 1st

responders who are already on the ground by any means necessary. and i think in that case they can take example from civil society. they ask for groups like this. we was union groups in the u. k. who have them all the lies to support community leather and steps and clicks like lead and head fuss, providing whatever they can from a distance to mobilize, those helicopters that are inside the city to get them through until the signature and quarters are open. half of how much concern is there right now about unrest in western door for the stabilizing neighboring countries. in particular, chad, for example. so definitely definitely the magnitude of displacement and people actually move on to, to, to check the surf. i've no ability to provide some support because the infrastructure in chinese is, is very poor and they're tied into or 70 hesitated clearly that they are not

able to provide the need to support for these people on, on the election that clear. and if the confident continue with the same live it and i think we would see more people fleeing to the child then center last week and discontinue the service. i wrote the student, they have what security problems they help you, it problems. and that's going to complete good solution. you more? i think that's what i'm saying is we really need a, even with area and protection for just people to be dealing with. they only did it . i just didn't allow access to it. he went there and work work i also to protect them because the main problem is no protection because most of them actually agencies working on what that in to the of the stuff because that they can not secure the know do to do access to have access to, to get to these people, i think what do we need? i need it again. if we want to, i please to go to 10. the, the disappointment,

to some extent is to have forced which provide protection for going with. and i would guess i'm also like that visit if used because it in is coming on people out . i'm going to be up front. and of course that isn't appropriate. ok, what is a problem for you? is a problem and then we would drop it is due to displacement and also rain because that it is just going to stop and then it's going to complicate the problem even more arrogant action is needed from that dimension community. otherwise, the hundreds of talking people who lose the life i do will have to have any of the seas fires that have gone into effect. up until now have they done anything to lessen the violence in western dar 4? and also, are there any concrete steps that can be taken in order to try to get things under control and are for as it should be unequivocal the message sent to the leader to virginia. read that if this does not stop and stop now, no,

for she does not stop what she's doing. you talk to occupy your multiple times and people. psalm, internalizing people who should he's, organization shouldn't be declared that kind of his organization and he should be hunted. i think you'll have this is the only way you can stop what's happening that i'll go out. i'm sorry to bother you. sorry to interrupt you we, we just have a minute left. i want to ask them a soon. one last question here may soon, from your perspective, what has to happen in order to ensure that either a humanitarian cord or can be set up or the people who are most in need of aid can get it. that's the $1000000.00 question. i will tell you that that answer has to come from external sources. the people of this region have been subjected to compound compound bull, rehabilitate. so we're not talking about a war inflicted on yesterday for a month ago or 2 months ago. we go back 20 years. these are communities that have been brought down to their needs and so their essential resilience and their ability to speak out and to,

to change things on their own is not their. and so my colleagues have alluded to the fact that the external pressures are absolutely essential. they are trying to amplify their voices to describe what, how on earth they are living in. but they can not be asked to do more than survive at the moment. and so to open these corridor, as we need to continue to put the pressure externally and to make spaces where we can little and as a can, clint, clint, in increment until is, is a way forward. but i think in the meantime, let's be realistic. those people who are on the ground and responding as we need the support. now we cannot wait and there are ways to be able to do that. we need to per, tops on and to follow the lead of civil society here, which i've still an incredible way forward. all right, well, we have run out of time, so we're gonna have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all of our

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