residents of the united states will be leaving eventually he will be making his way to bed mister amendments to new jersey. and that is probably when we are going to be hearing from donald trump next about this case. which of course, is going to heavily impact his bid for the republican nomination. his bid also for the white house. it is worth noting he is currently still and by quite a margin, the front runner in the race for the republican nomination. what happens in the court house now in the coming months may, may or may not, as our correspondence were saying, impact that. so do stay with alpha 0 as we continue our ongoing coverage of this historic event. and that does it for me. serial. then the 8th of this news hour i'm handing back now to my colleague julie mcdonald, who picks up our coverage from our london broadcasting center to

thank you several has been fascinating to listen to you and of course your guest store knew from across the legal and political spectrum, you're not watching out 0 live from london with me, june, and it's on of course, we are focused on events, on raffling or on folding. maybe i should say in sunny miami and the historic court case against, for me as president. donald trump. this of course is the scene of sight the court house where trump support has some protest is of course have gather just a moment ago. we heard them chanting across before court one another. you can see the cavalcade there that was, and trump arriving for his arrangement for any or we're not going to see any pictures from inside. the court has because that's not allowed to. what you will see is a lot of these shots from outside of the testers and supporters, but we know that the former president, he's now right now inside the federal court, and he's charged with illegally retaining classified documents after he left the white house. of course that's important because he's campaigning for the 2024

presidential election and says this indictment marks one of the saddest days in the history of the country. while donald trump's attorney spoke outside the court house earlier. and she claims that the case against the former president is politically motivated. well, we are witnessing today is the blatant and unapologetic weapon is ation of the criminal justice system the bite and a point appointed special council has thought fit to bring $37.00 federal charges against president trump. the leading front runner less than a year and a half before an election. countless other individuals. hillary clinton, joe biden himself retained possession of classified documents that have not been prosecuted. and none of them came into possession of those documents while they

were president. none of them were president who as the head and so member of the executive branch, has the power to summarily declassified documents. the decision to pursue charges against president trump while turning a blind eye to others is an emblematic of the corruption that we have here. will island position joins us live now for miami. hi there, allen. so just bring us up to date with what's going inside. what's going on inside the court has which of course we can't see because the cameras aren't alive, but what's going on right now as well? we were told from inside that to donald trump presented to the court room and it's taking his seat along with his legal team, whether his lawyer was saying there is perhaps a preview of what we're going to get from his legal team during this hearing. they will argue that this is a political selective prosecution. donald trump should not have to face charges,

therefore they should be thrown out. now, by the judge, the judge isn't going to do that. what he will do is say that taking table for legal arguments to be held, but also for discovery, which is essentially in the united states, the government handing over all the evidence that has to the defense could say this is the case that we have against your client, because the official documents and classified documents involved, that is going to take slightly longer because we have to a point, almost the middle man, someone to sit there. i don't, but it's meant to, to look at the documents that should be handed over to the defense and who has claims to see those documents as well. so that could take slightly longer. we're expecting don't jump to waive the reading of all $37.00 charges against him. you will confirm his name. he will confirm his age. he tons, 77. tomorrow i and then we expect the prosecution to vary. basically, li i said the case against them. what the intent to bring to the court, the defense will make the documents,

and then the date support for future meetings will be set. it could take as little as 30 minutes. donald trump could be on his way to the airport and heading to betterments there where he's expected to make some comments just like you did after he appeared in court in new york in april. but there is the possibility that the judge be imposed some restrictions on, on either side from talking about the case. but that's unlikely, simply because donald trump is running for president. one of the big planks is the key is the victim of a wait time. and he needs to be able to talk about that. therefore, he could argue under the 1st amendment, the right to free speech in the united states that would be truncated affected by any or the from the court. so it's going to be an interesting next step, 2 minutes, but just to reiterate, it really is a moment to pass through. we have donald trump now in court, charged with federal offense. he's in, he's in the custody of the government. the key one front of allen of the same sort of this is the import purchasing of documents, isn't it?

and that trump is accused of lines the officials who sought to recover them. but for the american people, this, this boiled down to something as they're watching it unfold as a simple, as a question of fairness perhaps. well i think i did it, jack smith, who was the prosecutor tried to make the case on friday when he spoke very briefly about the indictment have been brought against donald trump. that this wasn't just about keeping hold of documents like other presidents, the acts for the documents back. donald trump said, well i think cooperate could have given you the more when he knew that he had. and they say that they have him on tape. seeing that to one of his lawyers, that he showed the documents to people who went entitled to see the documents and those documents. what important documents do with intelligence documents as the put a risk intelligence assets from the military be exposed with the us was vulnerable to attacks from a foreign power to be exposed. how is the united states would react to an attack

from a foreign power which form power and how does the reaction would be be different? and those documents were kept in a bowl room in a bathroom, in a general storage area with no locker key. and the argument that the secret service where they are, therefore the documents were protected, dismissed by the prosecution. seeing is that essentially the, the secret service that they have to protect them from, not his documents. and there was also what is being described in the united states as the new north nor a moment, which is getting their own back sort of thing. when in the, the indictment they actually make the point is that donald trump, when he was wanting to present in 2016 as, as a stick to beat hillary clinton, he said that if he was president, that no one would be above the law when it came to the handling of classified documents. and so that was put into the indictment as well, almost rubbing salt into the woods. but of course it's for the judy to decide

whether or not the prosecution has proven its case beyond a reasonable doubt. i don't know if it was on the trump side, who would argue that this is a political prosecution under the prosecution have no chance of proving that keeps official. there live with the details from miami, alan will talk you later funding. he will, the case has drawn support is of course the opponents of the former president. and here's a quick sense of, of what they've been say. i think we need to play this all the way out because the more they do this, the more people are looking and say, and i'm voting for him in 2024. that's what's happening. so why it out either way, doesn't matter. either way, doesn't matter. he should have been locked up long time ago because he graduated from the school of right. so new york and he has a masters degree. i grew up in new york. i smell. i know i could

call a spade a spade. well, john engine is also in miami and he joins me know of. hi there, john at listening to you over the past the hour or so since and from with it. and i think you said this was like the tour of the craziness. what was the atmosphere of been like between the kind of 2 groups that are predominantly there are those who support from that are making themselves obvious to those like the man that we just heard from the want to see him locked up. what, how they've been sort of reacting to each other. most of the crowd that made its way to this courthouse is trump, but there is a, a significant and small group is anti drop and they clash on occasion. but for the most part, it's been a celebratory, almost mood. take a look behind me. here you see this car with flags on top of it. those appear to be pro trump. american 1st kind of flags. people are driving by the road is open

here despite the heavy security inside the court house. your people drive by they hung, they were festive, close in their right hands and they come out here. there's a low rate, the president in some of them come out here to voice their opposition to the president. what he's done in this case, you've got someone say, jack smith, the federal prosecutor who is bringing this case. and you can just see from the line of cameras, how much international interest, local, national, and international like ours. so the eyes of the world are, here's a lot of people want to gravitate towards described to express their views. and we found people who travel hundreds, sometimes even thousands of miles to get here. they want the press, the former president to see them, those who support trump. others want them to hear him. but the fact is inside that cortez nobody is hearing anything out of here. we do know you're going to see the

pictures. so let's give you just a little more that you can see this kind of investigative carnival atmosphere. i'm talking about the flags that, i mean it's one part political rally, one part of the concert, one festival. so it's a, it's certainly ration. and i guess an opportunity for people to express their anger on both sides of this indictment as well. but it is the 1st i'm a former president hasn't ever been indicted on a lot of people just wanted to be here to witness history. it was interesting listening to one of the same vice that we had from a lady in the crowd there who i think there's a trump support there. and she was saying, look, whatever happens we should let this legal process play at the end. the sense that we go from trump's, it's her name was that it's positively on the american to go after an ex president . and this is just not the only thing to pursue these challenges. i think the,

the sort of polarity, of all the views is, is, is absolutely fascinating. but i wonder what it means that the bigger question of american democracy i think a lot of people feel that is easy, dangers moment when american democracy days hoped it never became necessary to the president. something we haven't heard of. we're in this country. and when you talk to the drum supporters, they will say this makes the use if in your to turn the banana republic, you know, some sort um. but if you turn in a great link, they will also say if transfer against president again, he will be entitled to prosecute joe biden, hunter, vide, and all of their democratic opponents. there's even a car driving by with a picture of trump in front of the jail bars. and i'm a bright and others boss, finally jail guard. so there's definitely a bit of an economy here where how people feel about those people on both sides or

that the u. s. has come to this stage or we aren't president. those who want to see trump prosecuted, eric would say, is unfortunate. he is brought into that position to an engineer joining us live on either side in miami and jones. thank you. well, donald trump is appearing before a federal court in miami, and we know that he has pled not guilty to all of the 37 charges against him. well, let's take a moment, not to remind you about the case and the details of it against donald trump. here, so i'll just see was laura come? this is a $49.00 page indictment which shows the charges against donald trump on his aid walk now to a stipend, just page 2 states. during his presidency. trump kept boxes of newspapers, press clippings, unless, as in the white house, among them, hundreds of classified documents. he's accused of taking those documents to his

private residence at mar logo in florida. they had information on defense of weapons capabilities of the united states and other countries. the us nuclear program vulnerabilities to attack on plans for possible retaliation. if there was a for an attack, it shows trump stacked boxes in the bull, runs a shower room and they would even sound scattered across the storage floor. and the indictment saves the majority of documents, came from the c, i a, the department of defense and the national security agency page 27 and the narrative of the prosecution with the f. b, i set of mar logo. the found $103.00 more classified documents in august last year. laura con. i'll just, sarah. well, jason, and it is an attorney, a member of the florida and district of columbia boss. he joins us live from maryville in tennessee, a very warm welcome, and jason to the program. we've just been looking at the live pictures of us. we have saved the court room and we've just seen those pictures. they are of the

documents, the boxes in the bathroom and, and so on. i think a lot of yours are going to be asking themselves, you know, how strong is the evidence again, 6 president, trump, a. hi, thanks for having me on a i would say the evidence is quite strong. the look is going to be up to those limited what a jury views is important and how they weigh the evidence and, and also what the, what the judge allows in with judge can allows into court. so it's gonna be a process that we're just going to have to play out, that we're not going to get to know a lot from his initial appearance from, from the former president. but the indictment itself is very strong. it should be worrisome. so his legal team, they don't seem to be taken as serious as, as like, i would like to see a legal defense built for, for a client. they try to couch this in, in terms of political defense and sort of the legal defense. and that's, that's ultimately not going to win you uh, in front of the jury. so they have to come out and mount to legal defense. and the way the indictment rate is going to be awfully difficult for them to build it. if

they've just been reminded political indictment along and jason, you're outlining of course, what's most important here which of the, the legal arguments, but it, in the court of, of public opinion, which of course, matters here too. for the american people. this just all of this boiled them outside of the details in the boxes and the pictures and the who said what to who in the article take to do a simple question with fairness. i think it's incredibly fair look i, i think the criticism that's this is some type of political persecution that only or prosecution that only happens in banana republic. so it's just not true. in fact, it's exact opposite. this is what it legitimate democracy does. that values the rule of law, we don't everyone a capital e p a in the eastern terms of a former president, a former senator, a former vice president should all be equal with anybody else. so if this present truck was a service member, you'd already the rest of your ready means, you know, if there was a former general officer in our military, you don't already be in jail. this is this. trump is, is a benefactor of

a tutor system that favors the powerful in this country and the politically connected. so to say that this is some type of political prosecution that goes after him because he's a political opponents just as is, is a weak defense and a very serious argument of this. and how does this affect and present in 5? is it, is it damaging him? i'm, i'm thinking ahead to you know, the next election? yeah, i think it damages him. it could potentially knock out the only person on the republican side that he can defeat. so i think president trump is, is the weakest candidate to run against joe biden. if job i'm honestly want to win reelections, he would not be prosecuting donald trump. every other republican, serious republican can obviously i'm thinking tim scott, randa santos, other people who maybe haven't gotten them yet. they just the job. i'm in the election in 2020 for donald trump. does. he doesn't have a support of independence. this, this up just prosecution. this environment is only going to continue to be road

support among independents and republicans, will be, will be punished on the down ballots all the way down to state legislatures. if we don't nominate some, if republicans don't nominate somebody else in his bed, how, how does this affect to the core? trump, supporters didn't, does it? i mean, we see his numbers kind of going on, but for the core, does this affects them or? no, i mean, not at all. i looked at what's, uh, your, your, your last reporter who was out there describing the car lightness for i think they're, they're all in on the circus. and this is what drives them. and he has a group the fan base that follows him around the country and, and you know, takes on all of his issues is there is and lives vicariously through him. and what he happens to be dealing with at the moment and he couldn't carry you couldn't care, less for them. and at the center of this is about this improper keeping of documents and more than that. so that jump then allegedly lied to officials to then sought to recover them so that he didn't cooperate. and one of the things that we're hearing from the trump temp, and it's all over to it, sir, is you know,

other ex presidents had documents to bite and apparently have them next to the chevrolet and his garret or some such thing. but just flash that out for as a little bit what, why does this kind of narrative around these documents and how they were kept and that sort of thing master? i think the biggest issue that we have here is there is an obstruction of gaming all the documents. he asked as attorneys the lights, he had an attorney sign off on on a complete investigation in search of his home in mar, logo that was not present for the search by the f b i. he is continuing to obstruct the investigation. if you just wanna give him the documents back, that's no big deal. that's what present bided swift form or vice president pencils done. this is something that is just in happens the documents you leave with from your time and administration, or that there's no way to go through them all unless you have gone through and cherry pick specific items that you're trying to keep. and that's where we get into the argument. the $31.00 counts of the will. so retention of national security

documents and the classified information that endangers the lives of, of service members around the world. and when we listen to the crowds, jason, outside the court house, and of course, these are people who has made an effort to turn up. so i think we should, you know, assume that they've got some buy in here. but the views are incredibly polarized. and what i don't want to do is to suggest that that's the view across the vast waves of the united states. but would you say there is that polarity and views when it comes to trump? yeah, absolutely. i mean, uh, just uh, to drive through miami traffic just to come down support present trucks is a herculean effort in yourself having to miami and gone to school in miami and work to miami. uh, breaking the traffic alone. it is just something i, i can't imagine a normal person who wants to do on their off time. so, but there is polarity around around the country and i think it's a smaller, it's a smaller percentage of what people say. you know, it's, it's really just 30 percent of a republican party that doesn't make up. you know,

there's only probably 40 percent of registered voters around the nation are republicans. and so you really start to get into the practice of a fraction of support of people around the country who are showing up and going to the rally isn't going to the surface outside the courthouse. and so yes, this is core of some of his supporters. this isn't indicative of the country, i think, i think independence in center, right. people are just over it and they're ready to move on with with a new leader. it's interesting and jason, while we've been talking to em, namely john supporters and in the crowd, there's been this kind of sense that them, it's just simply kind of an american, if you like to pursue an ex president. i think that's perhaps the way i would describe it, but then in the same breath, we're hearing this, but we still need to drain the swamp. and so the question for me, i guess there is, there's that there's a possibility gap because how do you do that? with that robust legal system, which is the very thing that is apparently i'm against trump. so i just want to on

pick some, some of those little nuances that we hear from the crowd. or if you're looking for it to make sense it's, it's just not drive like, i mean, this is, it is not a, it's not fair to, to try to put a serious in some of these claims and, and you, on one hand, you can find about a perceived weatherization, the federal government by wanting to weaponized the federal government about against political opponents. and that's not what our country stands for. that's not what we're founded for. that's not what we go around the world preaching and for us not hold anybody accountable, let alone a former leader of our country and leader of the free world. we should be doing that. we should be proud of that. our justice system doesn't allow those empowered escaped by when others in similar situations, whether it be a general officer in the military or unless a member of our military services wouldn't get the same treatments j same, or they're joining us and from maryville, tennessee. i'm jason. thank you very much for your insights. absolutely, thank you. let's go back now to alan fisher,

who joins us live from miami. he is inside the courthouse, do we have any further detail at what sort of stage proceedings or app right now? well, and what we do know that is the prosecution is outlining the very basics of its case. uh, donald trump entered a plea of not guilty. i thought was done through his attorney. he is upon me sitting in the court and his dark suit and his red tie with his arms folded, listening to the proceedings. it's on the 15th floor of the building. behind me, hey, it's the thing is for, for all the, the, the a week of history that is on this moment of donald trump, a former president being indicted on federal criminal charges. what happens next is actually fairly routine during the arraignment. he can waive the right to hear those charges being read out, which we think that that has happened. there will then be an argument that we'd be

expect is defense, as for the case to be dismissed. they will then set dates for full legal arguments . and there will be discussions about what's called discovery, essentially the government having to turn over all its evidence to the defense and how that will be done in the mechanism for doing that. complicated, as i said earlier about the fact that you're dealing with classified documents as a former president. so that makes things just slightly more difficult. so that will slow the process down slightly. but we expect donald trump to, to leave the court house. not having said and the thing keeping his powder dry for when he gets to to bed been stored in new jersey, where he said he'll make it a night spent at around 815 this evening, which is in just over 5 hours time. so that allows for the 3 our flights that it takes to go from miami to new york as well. so that's when we expect to hear from donald trump. we've already see the tweet from him. go to 3 anymore is of course

a social media posting onto a social saying that it's a white chon, i, i'm posting my god. and certainly he's been able to bring out hundreds of people to show the support for the former president. the police here were saying that they were prepared for crowds of anything between 5050000. they certainly haven't reached those sorts of numbers, but they are still hanging around, hoping to get a glimpse of donald trump talking to like minded supporters and some of them trying desperately to be interviewed by the media to replace the supports for the former president. and alan trump's former attorney general and bill bar, and he said, if transfer, i'm guilty he, he's toast. and what does he, what does he mean when he says that what lies ahead for trump, if the, if the worst case scenario happens? well, of course, in any trial it's up to the prosecution to prove their case beyond

a reasonable doubt to a jury of their peers. and some people have suggested that donald trump can't get a trial of majority of his peers because there are no former presidents who would sit on a jury. that is perhaps suspicious argument, but we've had plenty of them over the last 4872 hours on what bill bottom it was listening to the case of the prosecutors. he believed to put together something that was betty sold very provable. i'm with convince people that there, if they think donald trump had committed the offences in the indictments, what his defense will do is argue, 1st of all, that this is a prosecution. that's a politically donald trump take him out of the 2024 presidential race. but they will also argue that there have been other cases where other presidents have mishandled documents. and most recently we've seen where the documents were funded to bite and scattered. we're bike pains,

phone documents that have been taken when you left the white house as well. and he doesn't even have the presidential authority to have some of those documents. so i think bill bar was suggesting that the prosecutors know that it's the very famous phrase. it's a cliche, but it's true. you don't shoot to the king unless you want to kill them, and then you can't bring a document, a case like this against donald trump, unless you're absolutely set. and you can prove that in court to a jury. so i haven't read that the indictment as many people did over the weekend. bill bar was suggesting that donald trump was in 3 legal trouble. how interested in joining us live for my sides and the court has there in miami? thank you. let's go on to john henderson. obviously also in miami, he joins me now and john, you have been, i want to buy with the crowd. we know what's going on inside the court house there . how are people coming, keeping up to date, given that we can see pictures of what's going on, or people checking their phones?

how are they keeping up to date? it's true people are, they're changing their phones. they're listening to the reports about what's going on. a miracle is there are no pictures. so it's a relatively got the police cars here. when you just draw the camera back a little bit, you can see this festival atmosphere, people debating for and against trump, of wearing the name on it. and yelling at each other, which is somebody here happening between these 2 gentlemen here, the man holding the sign and the man on the other side of him were yelling at each other. that's not an uncommon scene here, but what we haven't seen is a lot of highlights really where we talked to people who were trump fans and that's most of the people here. what they say is business selective prosecution. mitchell

had some documents that were secret in his possession like pants. the former vice president did as well because they feel like tempest being prosecuted when others demographic judge you. here's a trump, who is the one who brought him to this point by hiding those documents and magically, according to the charges. and by getting his lawyer to lie about their locations. if there is a debate going on inside of that court room, but there's also a debate going on out here in the streets. and i can't tell you that i've seen anyone change their mind, or they seem to feel very certainly about each side. and then to jump from what you're saying is this, this question of fairness about whether he should have been indicted on these charges, given the other ex presidents, the documents. but what happens when you're in the crime, you save that, hang on a sec, just to buy the inputs and keep the doctor. this is about the fact that he, you know, i to a specialist when they start to recover them. so you get wrapped up in the flag

they are to on you know, and the front and he didn't, he didn't cooperate because if it was innocent, what, why did me cooperate? and then what, what kind of response do you get the patient really say that president do this, which isn't true, by the way, you know, many residents have not had this kind of problem. and when you say the prosecutors refused, jerome deliberately withholding those documents, or even under a subpoena, they say wells and says that that is biden's department of justice to understand a very effective job of demonizing the, the us government and the department of justice in particular. so the people are out here for trump, they don't believe anything, the justice department, and you can see the fervor in that debate if you just look at their pages.